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    "id": 943975,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Prof.) Ongeri",
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        "legal_name": "Samson Kegeo Ongeri",
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    "content": "had markets all over various places and various areas and they had not been able to automate their collection points and, therefore, it was very difficult for them to collect money from various centres. I think the Chairman of the County Public Accounts and Investments Committee has already made comments on the modes of collection, automation and collection of resources. There are so many platforms that are in use at the moment. You have the G- pay, Integrated Payroll and Payroll Database (IPPD), and others. These have not been synchronised or have not been made to be in sync with the Integrated Financial Management Information System (IFMIS) platform. Even the IFMIS platform itself, there are two modules. We understand the second module has not been rolled out. Therefore, when you hear that counties are in compliance with IFMIS, that is a total lie because that is not correct. Therefore, you will be finding some of these recommendations recurring from county to county. Do not look at it as if it was a stereotyped recommendation. It is because we have gone into greater depth to study the content of this Report and know how these counties have been affected. The other thing that we noted apart from this own-source revenue not appearing in the County Revenue Fund is that some of this money was being spent at source. Obviously, this gives challenges of accountability. How do you account for this money which is being spent at source? You can sample out that out of 20 counties, and you will see some of the counties we had pointed out who were spending money at source, which is contrary to the Public Finance Management Act (PFM Act); that all money and public funds collected must be deposited in the County Revenue Fund before it is appropriated out for expenditure. That can only be done by resolution of the County Assembly. That is why we think that we need to have a chat and a meeting with the public accounts committees in the various assemblies to know to what level they can oversight certain funds and to what level we can oversight as the Senate itself. This is because some of this involves some little projects here and there that we may not be able to physically visit, check, and see if they have been captured in the audit report and that, indeed, they do exist. There are fake projects that do exist that have been factored in and have been challenged. When the governors appear before us, one of the first defence they say is that auditors only sampled a few; they did not visit the actual sites to see where it is. The point I am making here is that, indeed, what we need to do is that this own- source revenue being spent at source should stop. There are penalties that we will sanction that will apply when governors go beyond this area. The fourth point, and there are eight points that I want to flag out that you would use to go through this Report to make your reading easier because if you go through every page, it is going to be very stressful. The fourth point is the regular procurement of goods and services. What we noted is that most of them preferred single sourcing without the normal procurement procedures that are laid out under the Public Procurement and Disposal Act. Therefore, you will find the recommendations we have made of those who have gone through this single sourcing is either where we are not very clear we have recommended to the Directorate of Criminal Investigation (DCI) or Ethics and Anti- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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