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    "id": 945631,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr",
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    "content": "When the Speaker asked me a question, I told him to let the Governor of Makueni County complain but we shall never prescribe rules for whistleblowers. Let them get foolscaps and write down. They do not even have to print and bring to the Senate issues about corruption happening in the counties because there are other ways of exposing corruption. We have the Auditor-General and also the CoB. However, both the Auditor- General and the CoB can miss something. The experience in Makueni County showed that the Auditor-General missed a lot of things. He missed, did not want to see or just turned a blind eye or something. The last thing I want to say is that, if we take the audit of Migori or your county, Sen. Mwangi, and take that document to the public and ask them if that is the audit of their county and whether they agree with it, I am sure they will have one or two comments. We impeached Governor Wambora here. Wambora went all the way to the Supreme Court for only one question. Was there public participation in the impeachment of Wambora? He was in office for the entire term on one issue of public participation. The Supreme Court has now ruled that there must be public participation in an impeachment of a governor. If it is that important to have public participation on an impeachment on a governor, how much more would it be important to have public participation on audits of county governments? Let us request for information the same way you request for information in public appointments. Let us send it out there and ask them whether they agree with this information. In the case of Makueni, there were 26 stalled projects. Money was released and the projects never started, but the contractors were paid. I can assure you that if by the time we went to Makueni, we had asked the people of Makueni to give us that list, it would have been given to us. Sen. M. Kajwang’ stopped the governor from answering the question. What question was he answering if the Auditor-General had not bothered to put the list on his record? He was answering a question that he had not been asked and that is why the proceeding was adjourned. There was no list. Can we now trust the public by allowing them to give us information? This is because we will then audit the county government and put them to task. More importantly, we will audit the Auditor-General in his work. That is the way to do it because they will most likely give us that information. When we challenge these governors in their counties and put them to the public like we did in Makueni, they shrink to dwarfs. That is the way to do this thing. I am so energised. This Committee should be given a lot of resources. They should be given additional clerks and additional Members or something that will expedite this process. Yesterday after Sen. M. Kajwang’ stood here for five minutes, he got so much airtime on national television. It tells you how much the country is treating the question of corruption and audits. I have made a proposal to you Senators and, perhaps, you will start thinking. The money that we were asking for can we find a way of hiring what I would call a Senate audit office composed of a certain number of auditors where we as Senate can do our The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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