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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is one area that we will need to apply our minds to. We have made references to the DCI and the EACC, and the question is; should these two bodies be jointly involved in investigations? Where does the EACC start and where does the DCI stop? Since the DCI has made it a habit to use social media to do its work, it has become fashionable to refer issues to the DCI because they know how to sensationalize issues and arrests. They time those arrests very appropriately to cause maximum pain and suffering. We are not in this for causing pain and suffering, but for justice and to ensure that we put in place an effective public finance management system in counties that can close the loopholes that we saw in the first financial years. Where we have made references to DCI and EACC, and it is upon this House to advise whether we should let both bodies be seized of these matters. Alternatively we, as the Senate, should say that some of these issues of integrity, theft and graft that we are seeing in counties should be dealt with exclusively by the EACC. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me also bring to the attention of the House that this being the first year of devolution, there were a lot of challenges. The controls were very weak. The Public Finance Management (PFM) Act was in place, but the regulations were still evolving. In terms of application of the PFM Regulations, there was a little bit of confusion. We saw some counties like West Pokot, Wajir, Marsabit and Samburu, having serious human resource gaps. When the governors came before us, they admitted and said The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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