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    "id": 946641,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Senate Minority Leader",
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        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
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    "content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what you have said is so germane. I want to convince my colleagues that Senate is a very important institution. You cannot just bring papers and throw them around the Senate. Even in a court of law, you cannot do that. I cannot go to a court of law and say that I cannot produce Sen. Wetangula because he is in hospital. The court will expect me to do more than that. More importantly, I remember when the issue of the powers of the Prime Minister and the President were in contention on the question of consultation and concurrence. The court arrived at a decision which was very different from the decision that was later on made by the former Speaker Kenneth Marende. In fact, as we speak, the Judiciary has adopted what was offered by the Speaker Kenneth Marende as the definition of what is consultation and concurrence, and found fault with the manner in which the High Court have defined those two words. I know where Sen. M. Kajwang is going, but I think it will be an abuse of the process of the Senate that we are reluctant to exercise a matter which is within our powers because somebody is waving a piece of paper. It is also equally dangerous for a matter to be decided by the Speaker or the Senate Business Committee (SBC) before it is brought to the Committee or the Senate. Therefore, anybody with evidence should take it to the Committee and it will be dealt with. Anybody with evidence can bring it even now, if that court order was there, if it complies with Standing Order No. 98. Mark you, Standing Order No.98(4) says that we still have discretion. We can still say that the matter is Sub judice, but in this circumstances--- For example, somebody can get a conservatory order and let the matter to stay there. He can have the matter heard in 10 years. In the meantime, the county will be suffering because we will not be making a decision. I think we need that balance fairly, but I would hate a situation where any piece of paper--- There are many orders that have been made by Speakers that you cannot bring a newspaper here and use it as proof. You cannot do that in the courts also. So, I am with you, Sen. M. Kajwang’, but we are not there yet. I think you are jumping the ship. Thank you. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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