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    "id": 948029,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/948029/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Kipipiri, JP",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Amos Kimunya",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 174,
        "legal_name": "Amos Muhinga Kimunya",
        "slug": "amos-kimunya"
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    "content": "between Parliament and the ministries so that CSs can concentrate on delivering other ministerial functions that are required of their ministries. Even in the debate we had in our retreat, I remember we agreed that there should be only three people who can appear before Parliament. That is the CS, CAS and the Principal Secretary (PS). The wording was “PS and above” because rank-wise, we have the CS, the CAS and the PS. Sometimes, we do some things and forget them. We are now even questioning the legitimacy of the CASs. I hope the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is here. If he were here, he would remember that in the Budget Estimates, there is a complete list of all the staff under a ministry and we have the salaries of the CS, CAS and PS, and we approved it. So, we have already approved the position by approving their budgetary provisions. We have even approved the order and hence we should not be debating it. As long as our Standing Orders say anyone above the PS through the ranking, we have already accepted that between the CS and the PS, there is a CAS and hence the CS can be represented by CAS. But the CS takes full responsibility for what the PS or the CAS or indeed when they come with officers, what the officers say."
}