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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Tharaka, DP",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. George Gitonga",
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        "legal_name": "George Gitonga Murugara",
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    "content": "my own view, the country has sufficient laws to fight corruption. We do not think that it is penalties that are lesser. In fact, I think the penalties that we have are sufficient. However, what we lack is the culture of fighting corruption. Such an organization, which will have its seat in Luxembourg, is one institution that may assist our country in coming to terms with exactly what we should do as far as fighting corruption is concerned. We now have a national anti-corruption academy or an institution similar to that. But how much is it doing? Are we also supposed to devolve an academy such as this one so that we move it to the counties so that, in each county, we establish an organization like this to cultivate and inculcate in the people in that particular county the virtues that go against corruption? Therefore, we have a lot to learn from this international organization. As enunciated by the Chairman, there are various advantages to this. One, we will learn from it so that we, as a country, are able to benchmark with what is taught in that international organization and make use of it here in Kenya. Two, we will be able to get professional training from them so that, as we talk about the anti-corruption crusade in the country, we know exactly what they do in other countries and why some countries have been able to succeed 100 per cent against corruption while others, including our own, are still reeling from the effects of corruption, which is not pleasant. We will join the international community in undertaking research and other aspects of corruption. We will also, as stated, provide the other relevant forms and technical assistance and eventually, we will foster international co-operation and networking in the fight against corruption. This is exactly what our country needs and should invest in so that today, we debate in this House whether to enhance penalties regarding economic crimes or what are known as corruption crimes. Is that the problem we have or is it that we now even have to go to schools to educate our children from their tender age that corruption is a vice which should not be tolerated and, in fact, it eats into the society more than an ordinary malaise would do."
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