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    "id": 950366,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/950366/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Ugenya, MDG",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 2955,
        "legal_name": "David Ouma Ochieng'",
        "slug": "david-ouma-ochieng"
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I wish to oppose this Bill. For your information, this Bill does not deal with punishment for corruption per se . It deals with inducements, abuse of office, conflict of interest, bid rigging and conspiracies. Any insinuation that this Bill deals with the omnibus punishment for all offences in the world is not true. I want to start by saying that it has been proven that punishment, however severe or less severe, does not deter corruption. Corruption has to be fought using different tools. Whereas criminalising corruption and providing for punishment is good, evidence does not show that the higher the punishment the lower the corruption gets. Evidence does not show that if you put punishment at Kshs100 million, then there will be no corruption. Corruption happens because of a couple of things. So, being a lawyer and based on what the Supreme Court has said, I will advise my friend, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, to consider revising his Bill to probably say: “Not exceeding Kshs10 million”, because the wording “not less than’’ is not legal language allowed by the courts. It will definitely be shot down. There is no point in us making a law in vain. As it is, this will definitely not go anywhere."
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