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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Senate Minority Leader",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
        "slug": "james-orengo"
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    "content": " Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am very happy to hear this report from the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations and the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. Somebody said that you came here to eat mandazis . If eating m andazi makes sure that you can do so much good to people of this area, please, eat more mandazis . The same person was saying that you are sitting on a golden chair worth Kshs50 million. The people of Kitui will look at that chair and they will know its value. We are so modest and accepted to come not in a new chamber; we are just using the Chamber of the County Assembly as we found it in order to understand the problem of this county Assembly who are partners in the legislation. However, this topic we are talking about is very critical. Probably, I am saying this to that man in the National Assembly. There used to be a Minister for Home Affairs in charge of prisons who was very powerful. Somebody came with a statement like the one which was made by Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. complaining about conditions in prisons. That is when he was Minister for Home Affairs in charge of prisons. He had his problems with the Government of President Moi. He was sacked, arrested and charged with failing to pay NSSF. He was given a summary trial; he was not allowed to even have one more day. When he went to court, the magistrate told him that he had been saying that courts were delaying cases. So, his case must go on. He had no good defense thus he was convicted, alipoenda in prison, the moment he removed his shoes and clothes, he was told wembe uko hapa na akanyolewa. When I met Mr. Oletiptip, who was then Minister for Home Affairs, a week after somebody had been kind enough to pay his fine, he was wearing an amulet. Mr. Oletiptip told me: “Orengo, Mungu yuko. This was from a very powerful Minister. Officers of institutions of this country, particularly those in the administrative justice, should know that some of the things in the law like bail serve a purpose. Some people think that when people are locked up, denying them bail is achieving something. I was told by the group that went to the prison that there is an individual who has been locked up for three years because he cannot pay Kshs3,000. If the family cannot raise the money, that is an indicator of poverty. Some people say that Kenya inaendelea yet we have a Kenyan who has been in prison for three years because they cannot afford The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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