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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Senate Minority Leader",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
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    "content": " Madam Temporary Speaker, I had already spoken on the main Motion. However, as a matter of general comment, I want to add that we should think about the great story of King Solomon in the Bible, who is very well known for his wisdom. When two women were fighting over a child, there was provisional award he gave to the woman who would rather have the child die. However, when he eventually realized that the real mother would rather have the child live than be killed, King Solomon, in his final decree, gave the child to the real mother. Between the National Assembly and us, if you hear their speeches, they are not interested in devolution. In fact, they are calling governors thieves as a justification for not giving money to the counties. We should look at this in terms of the fact the Senate was trying to save the counties. Right now, we want to go to Kitui. There is a county assembly workers strike there. Probably when we go there, we may not have the services we think we will have. There is a great danger in the way this thing is going. There are some forces within all the arms of Government who are not ready to have devolution prospering. They would rather kill it. The second issue I wanted to deal with, is on what has happened with the debate. I agree with Sen. Ochillo-Ayacko that we should allow debate. We should never be seen to be in a hurry. I remember that when we were in the National Assembly, even if there were only seven Members in the Chamber, the Speaker, Hon. Muturi, would always allow us a chance to debate. He would even extend the debate for days and days. Therefore, I hope that we allow debate in any matter that is going to come before the Senate. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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