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    "speaker_name": "Turkana South, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Lodepe Nakara",
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I would like to join fellow Members to support this Report. First of all, for us to have this digitisation in this country, we must give title deeds to all our lands. There are some parts in this country which do not have title deeds. This document helps people to own their land. That is why we are saying, before we rush to digitisation, can we first give the ownership the benefit of owning it by issuing title deeds to the areas that do not have them? In arid areas people have big land, but they cannot benefit from it. So, I suggest and propose that it is a good idea that we do all land transactions by digitising all the documents because it will be evidence that you have bought that land or you have transferred it to somebody. That will help us to reduce corruption in the Ministry of Lands. We have cartels in this country which are using land transactions as a way of getting money from the people. You can discover one land has been sold to three to four people and each person has a title deed. Then, you wonder when they go to court because each person produces a title deed which came out of Government offices. So, we need to digitise our land transactions so that only one owner goes to records. That is better than having three title deeds on one land. That is why some families are fighting. That is why some communities fight each other. In Mau, those people bought the land and they were even given title deeds. Now, because there were no digitised transactions that were done, those people were evacuated. It is high time this country went that direction. One of the things we have lacked in the BBI Report that was launched today by His Excellency the President is that all Government transactions and businesses must be done through digitisation so that it can have record left behind. That is because handwritten documents and written MoUs can be bad. Sometimes people trust each other. That trust is broken when you realise that they have conned you money and have taken your property without your knowledge. So, it is high time for us to make sure that we digitise our transactions. Another thing is that many people who bought land in this country have died and yet their relatives and beneficiaries or people who are supposed to take over do not have the documents. So, it is high time we helped people of that category by telling them to come out so that we can give them the ownership of the land by doing digitisation, via electronic transactions so that they can own the land. There are children whose parents died and they do not know where the documents of the land are. We need to help that category of people. We need to tell them to come out if they have land which is not registered. If they are sure that the land belongs to them and we can get evidence from the chief and other people we can give them ownership documents. There are people who are staying on land like Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs), and yet that land belongs to them. I support and say that we need to encourage people to come out so that they can be the right owners of those parcels of land. Finally, as we do electronic transactions, we need to make sure that they are all over, including even in your Huduma Namba. That is so, so that all your documents are under your Huduma Namba so that if you press a button, you can follow up wherever you are and see who The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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