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    "id": 975138,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Eng.) Maina",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Ephraim Mwangi Maina",
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    "content": "I agree with him, but there is something I want to tell him. A human being behaves in the manner the society has modeled him. I am not condoning, but when we frustrate our security forces that are armed without knowing their mental capacity--- We have cases where security forces shoot one another, something that was not common in the past. No one condones extrajudicial killings. All we need to do is to ensure that our young boys and girls in security forces and teaching faculties are well catered for. Madam Temporary Speaker, I also wish to inform the Ford Kenya Party Leader here that as they continuing finding ways of making Kenya a better place, they should remember to bring up the issue of inequality that I am talking about, because there are disparities in this country. You will find somebody who is earning Kshs3 million per month. Compare that with a policeman who earns Kshs16,000 and a teacher who earns Kshs12,000 per month. What society are we creating? Madam Temporary Speaker, let us come back to the issue of extrajudicial killings. We have had these extrajudicial killings in the history of this country. We have had cases of people like J.M. Kariuki, Pio Gama Pinto and others who died or disappeared. Therefore, we must condemn these kinds of killings. I want to ask the Committee to unearth whatever has happened. More so, I would request the Committee to go deeper and look at the causes of these killings. There must be a reason our society behaves in such a manner. Let us not just come out, record what is happening, condemn it and leave it at that. I would urge the Committee to go deeper and find out the likely causes of this kind of behavior in our society, because it was not there in the past. There are things that have become more pronounced. Secondly, let us not try to think that laws will make us better as a country. I am getting amazed at the number of times we draft laws. I am sure that even regarding this issue of extrajudicial killings, we are going to resolve to come up with another law to deal with it, just as we have been saying that we should look for laws to make sure that corruption is eradicated in Kenya. We already have beautiful laws in our Constitution. Let them be followed to the letter, and Kenya will be a better place. Madam Temporary Speaker, the major problem we have is thinking that we need another law each time. I sincerely hope that the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) will come with up with very good structures. We already have very good laws. I have never understood why, today, a person who kills somebody goes to court and he is given a bond or bail. He then goes back to the same village to threaten witnesses and relatives of the person he might have killed because he was given a bond. This is the kind of freedom we need to relook at. Madam Temporary Speaker, some of these extrajudicial killings maybe happening because people know that they will not get justice in courts. They, therefore, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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