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    "id": 975483,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. John Mbadi",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": " Hon. Speaker, I am really trying to restrain myself. The Chair called me that there was a meeting to make this change, but this reasoning of Section 39 does not arise. We are dealing with Budget Estimates. We are dealing with the BPS. I think Members need to understand what the Chair wants to do. Let me explain it in simple terms. One, the Judiciary budget in the ending financial year is Kshs18 billion, which they have been complaining about. In the BPS, the Treasury was giving them only Kshs17 billion, reducing the current budget by Kshs1 billion. The Committee, in its wisdom, decided to reverse it to Kshs18 billion, not giving them any extra money. What the Chair wants to do is to reverse it back to Kshs17 billion again. This is going to hurt the Judiciary. Two, in the current 2019/2020 FY, Parliament requested for Kshs43 billion. We gave Parliament Kshs39 billion. This BPS is giving Parliament Kshs36 billion. We said, no. Let us give Parliament what they were given last year; Kshs39 billion. What the Chairman wants to do is to reverse it back to Kshs36 billion. Let us be honest with ourselves. There is nothing illegal in having these figures as they were. Let us be candid that it is the Treasury pushing my Chairman, whom I respect a lot. If Treasury wants to negotiate with Parliament, let them do so. But this justification of we cannot adjust through the BPS because we have to find where to get the money from does not hold. This is a policy statement, giving an indication. If they feel they have no money, let them look for that money between now and the time of the estimates and tell us where to get it from. If Members listen to what I am saying, I am in effect saying that this amendment should be rejected."
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