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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal",
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is an extremely important programme. Actually, it has many problems. When this programme started in 2008/2009, we patterned it on what was happening in Brazil under President Lula. The idea was to support old people and, eventually, get a situation where all vulnerable people are gradually increased. However, it is now beset with so many programmes. There are three programmes running together. There is the orphans and vulnerable children programme which does not have as much problem as this one and then the old people programme, which has now somehow merged with severely disabled people in the area of care givers. Many old people do not get paid for various reasons, starting from the fact that there is late migration. They have had two migrations, which have left some people out. The other problem with the old people is that in one month, you can have their fingerprints responding and then in a different month, they are not responding. There are also care givers for the old people with severe disabilities. This has been mixed up. Because of that, many people go to banks and do not get money. It is not clear where this money is and whether it is the Ministry and the banks that are the intermediaries or the banks and the officers that give it on the ground. I have sat in many meetings and it does not seem that clarity is happening. On the issue of the large numbers of old people over 70 years, the idea was simple. When they started with 65-year-old people, there were many people. What was supposed to happen was to go up in age until they get a cut off where they will have enough money, so that they do not have to make a choice. I do not see why after they went up from 65 to 70 years, they are still making a choice. Old people of over 70 years should be included in that. There was supposed to be a single number - there was a unit to do that number - so that these people can be traced. They were supposed to escalate it so that all vulnerable people, particularly in urban areas, also have that number. That is something they could have used today to give the 10 million that they will give in a one-off using the means testing. The Member has to bring this to the attention of the Minister on the day he appears. I will make an attempt to be there. Three programmes must be clearly delineated, particularly on the elderly persons and people with severe disabilities. The institutions that are intermediaries must also be clearly delineated. There is no reason why their The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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