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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr",
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    "content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I agree with the views of the Members, and of course, I must disclose that I sit in the Committee on Finance and Budget with Sen. (Eng.) Mahamud. Just like Sen. Wetangula has mentioned, the Report of this formula is already with us. I think that what needs to be done, like you have proposed, is that the information needs to be given to the Senators. Once the information is given to the Senators, then you can make a decision but with a variation. In the last formula, the Senate Committee on Finance and Budget invited all Senators, first into an informal setting. The reason is as follows; eventually, all these Senators, including Sen. Sakaja, whatever formula is adopted, everybody wants to know what the bottom line is. That is what we ended up with in the last formula; everybody looked at the bottom line irrespective of what the formula was saying. It will necessitate that, in fact, not only the Senate, including CRA will be required to do some elements of permutations. I will give an example if you allow me an extra minute. In the last formula, those who had proposed that population quota was too high at 45 per cent, there was a permutation where it was reduced to 43 percent. In the format of reducing population at that time, Nairobi City County went to the bottom and Lamu County went to the top. So, there should be an informal setting first and make sure that all these Senators can sit. The National Assembly is not enough for us to sit because at any given time now, they can only accommodate 70 Members. We cannot be 70, we must be more because we must involve CRA and possibly other stakeholders. So, we need a bigger field where Members can be given an opportunity to interrogate these issues vis-à-vis the amount that has been allocated so that when we come back to the county revenue formula that we have as a Committee and the understanding that we are moving this Bill as a Committee, we can then come to pass. Mr. Speaker, Sir, on disclosure, there is nothing that the Committee is hiding; only that the information should be given to all our colleagues so that a decision can be made. Thank you."
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