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    "content": "There was mention of some court cases and the substances of the various suits have not quite been explained. Is it possible that it could touch on those matters? I do not want to get any answers. In fact, I am not allowing anybody else to make any further comment. It does not matter. What is required, Hon. Jungle, is for you to submit something different that will bring out all those issues. The NLC and Ministry of Lands should appear before the Committee so that you are able to discuss all those issues. Why all those court cases? Do they have to do with the size of the land or what you are calling historical land injustices? Does it have to do with the application for renewal? You need to have another round-table and bring an appropriate request before the Committee, which will have to sit both with the Ministry and the NLC to try and resolve those issues if they are not going to affect the suits before the various courts. You are raising a number of questions, but we do not know what the suits are about. What are the cases about? Do they touch on some of the issues that you would have wanted to be answered? Is it likely, therefore, that if the courts are given time, they will resolve those issues? So, you need to sit with the Chairperson of the Committee and go through those suits. What are they about? All of you who are interested in those things - including those who have written here saying they want to make some comments - this is not time for bonga points. Let the Member for Thika Town, who brought this request, sit and discuss some of those issues you have raised with the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands and see how best to address them. If they are not going to affect the pending suits and are matters that can be resolved by the Ministry sitting together with NLC, try to distinguish them. Even if we just talk, we cannot keep talking because it is fashionable to talk in Parliament; that cannot be the reason. If the intention is to reach some resolutions, Hon. Wainaina Jungle, let us look for a way of bringing together the Ministry and the Commission first, even before you go to the other parties. After all, you represent the people of that constituency before others come to help you because I can see a number who want to do so. Before they come to help you because we do not know what kind of help, they are likely to bring, first sit with the other parties. If there are others with whom you can consult to go and sit with the Committee so that you can see how best to approach the matter of the land that is held by M/S. Del Monte, that will be good. Also, try to find a solution as to how the company can be assisted to get a renewal, what are the stumbling blocks and all those things. I will give the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health five minutes to respond. Some issues were raised."
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