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"content": "I have seen contractors from Narok County, who have rushed to the Controller of Budget (CoB). They have camped to there and told the CoB that when Narok County requests money, do not give out because the law under the county government's regulations demands that pending Bill must be the first charge of a county. Seeing my time, I will try to summarize so that at least my colleagues can contribute on it because this is a matter that affects all of us. If you look at the Public Finance Management Regulations, debt services payment shall be a first charge on the account of revenue fund and the accounting officer shall ensure this is done to the extent possible that the county government does not default on debt obligations. Governors have now found a very mysterious way of them ensuring that they pay their cronies, make their money or they only benefit from outside. When they request money from the CoB, they divert the money, so it is not in the budget. Supplementary budget is the way. During the transitioning periods from the former governors to the current, because of the time that we vote, when the new governors come in place, they would say, “that is not my budget but the former governor's.” What do they do? They now introduce supplementary budgets. In the case of Narok, when the current governor was taking over from the former, the former had given around Kshs600 million in one-line item that dealt with the issues to do with the transport sector. He brought in a supplementary budget and increased it by Kshs1.6 billion, moving it from Ksh600 million to Kshs2.1 billion without public participation. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this Motion is now calling on Kenyans to be aware and compel county governments to do public participation whenever they pass a supplementary budget. Since you have already gone through it and carried public participation on your County Integrated Development Plan (CIDP) for five years and public participation on your annual development for one year, why then should you be bringing supplementary one, two, three and four without going back to the public to tell them that you now want to change priorities, instead of what you had budgeted for? I have taken a few minutes to mention each county and what is owed. This are your constituents or Kenyans who are owed; who are now becoming insane. They have gone gaga because they cannot do their business just because somebody in the county government has decided not to pay them their bills. Mr. Temporary Speaker, I would like to beseech all the 47 delegates to pass this Motion. From there, now we implement it so that we can save this country. I beg to move and I request the Senate Majority Leader to second."
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"content": " Thank you. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I second this Motion; a very important conversation that Senate must lead the country to have. Sen. Ledama, this is long overdue. I have mentioned this a couple of times, but have not been as diligent as Senator Ledama to actually do something about it. If we continue to stare at our counties make the economic mess of themselves as they continue to do, in a few years' time, we will be devolving funds to counties, but all of it will be"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "recovered by people who are owed money by county governments and, therefore, development will be hindered. As they say, you make hay while the sun shines. This is an opportune time to look at Governor Sakaja and ask him what he plans to do with Kshs107billion and move to Governor Wamatangi, our good friend, and ask him what he plans with this Kshs5 billion, so that we can have onward, up to Governor Wesley Rotich of Elgeiyo- Marakwet, who only owes his suppliers Kshs2.7 million. It is good to have this conversation with our various county governments because part of the essence of leadership, colleagues, is the ability to feel the pain of other’s empathy. Just imagine yourself if you are a simple supplier. I used to do business with counties before I became a Senator. I long stopped after that. I know the pain of a supplier chasing paperwork from one department to the other, then finally you are told, there is something called an I.B., which finally has sent so many people to their graves because they have been waiting. They were told that it was just in the I.B. Auctioneers do not give a care or a hoot in the world about I.Bs. All they know and care for is whether you have their money or not. I said this a long time ago, Sen. Ledama. Nobody in their right senses still does business with county governments in this country. Unless the governor is your personal friend or even your father, you cannot try because you will be auctioned. It is on that account that we must lead the Senate of the Republic of Kenya to decide on this Motion. Sen. Ledama, I will amend this Motion of yours further later on, because we must be stringent and tough on our county governments. The Senate must resolve to demand of each county that, first of all, classify your debts. Of course, we know that the Kshs107 billion is not money or expenditure that Governor Sakaja incurred, for example. However, we must question what he has incurred since he came into office. I am sure the same can be said of all our county governments, so that you divide your debts into two. Tell us what you intend to do with the previous debts that you found, and the debts that you have personally incurred under your administration. This is so that we make a decision and tell our county governments not to incur or roll out any works before they first pay off those suppliers that continue to struggle. That is why I am a bit disappointed. You remember last week, from that Chair, the Speaker gave directions that the Controller of Budget (CoB) was to appear before this House on Wednesday of this week. Unfortunately, the Controller of Budget did not appear. I hope that matter is not left to slide. Immediately we resume on the 16th April, 2024, I hope that on the 17th April, 2024 the Controller of Budget shall appear before the Senate because she is an important cog in this challenge. She is an enabler of this challenge. Therefore, with those very many remarks, because this is a conversation that we will have for a long time--- I have requested Sen. Ledama that we be permitted to amend it, put more stringent measures and resolutions. You know, a resolution of the House is not idle talk. Once the House resolves something, county governments will be forced to act, so that we clear all these pending bills. We verify and nobody will have to part with a"
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"content": "coin to be paid for work that they did in our various county governments. Nobody will give an excuse. Therefore, with those very many remarks, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to second and appreciate the industry of Sen. Ledama Olekina in leading the Senate in having this important conversation upon whose successful determination will set our counties on a solid platform of transformation and success, unlike what is the case presently. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to second."
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"content": "(Question proposed)"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " What is your point of Order, Sen. Cherarkey?"
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