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"content": " What is out of order, Hon. Millie?"
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity. Based on what you have said, I just wanted to inform the Leader of the Majority Party that if he looks at the definition of the word “disaster”, there is also the word “localized”. The Committee must also remove the word “localized” as they consider that amendment. They also need to look at the Clause in tandem with the Victim Protection Act that looks at victimization in terms of criminalization, including terrorism."
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"content": " Hon. Millie Odhiambo, do you want to contribute?"
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"content": " I could."
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"content": " The Speaker has powers under Standing Order 1 to reverse his decision so that you speak before Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. I have been with you long enough in Parliament to know when you want to contribute and when you want to wait. Do you want to contribute?"
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"content": " I do not mind waiting. It is just that you raised that issue. I do not mind waiting because Hon. Nyikal is my senior."
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"content": " Wait and make those presentations. Proceed, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute. This is a very important Bill and I rise to support it. The objective of this Bill is to get a legal framework for coordination. Most disasters normally have an emergency element. If there is an emergency element, there is need for preparedness, which has to be done beforehand. We need working government structures. I support this Bill because we need to plan in advance for emergency responses and work through government structures that are sometimes obstructive. We also need a legal framework for coordination. It is not often just one department of government that is involved during a disaster or an emergency. Disasters and emergencies involve many departments such as security, transport and health. These various departments will be doing various things, but they have to come together to deliver during a disaster. This Bill tries to address that. It is even more important for us since we are in a devolved system of government where apart from just having departments, we also have two levels of government. Therefore, we have to make it clear who will manage a disaster. Sometimes there is no time for that decision to be made because of the nature of emergencies. Therefore, putting structures in place is important. I support this Bill because it gives us those structures. We should not only take action, but also look at prevention when dealing with risk. After every disaster, we must find out why it happened, whether it is likely to happen again, and put in place preventive measures. This Bill talks about classification of risks. Hon. Temporary Speaker, you had raised the issue of Clause 33. We should look at it more as classifying the risk rather than waiting to classify the disaster because it would be extremely late by that time. We are talking of risk management. Therefore, we must classify the risk. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "The Bill also talks about information. With information and risk management, we are aware that areas like Budalang’i and Nyando are likely to experience flooding when the rainy season approaches. What risk and classification do you put in place? When you have a classification, you can then use algorithms. You cannot wait until it happens to determine what needs to be done. You manage emergencies by using algorithms and putting up Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) on how to respond. Having structures will also tell you who should do it. I therefore support the Intergovernmental Council of Disaster Risk Management. We must look into the word “risk” more than disaster. If we start thinking when the disaster occurs, we miss the point. We have had a problem in our devolved systems. Hon. Temporary Speaker, as a lawyer, you know about a body called the Intergovernmental Relations Technical Committee and the Secretariat of the Council of Governors. One is illegal while the other one is not working. Even if we form intergovernmental structures, we must be willing to actually get them to work. Otherwise, there will be points of argument. We then create an authority. What I like about it is that when you have assessed a risk, it must come in at the preplanning stage, and must have a budget. The worst thing is when you wait to have a disaster to start looking for funds. As the Leader of the Majority Party said, sometimes the government is not prepared and therefore philanthropists take advantage to seek credit for it. Philanthropists are good but they should work within a laid down structure. In fact, during disasters, they should be controlled because quite often they can derail issues. In 2007, when we had Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs), we had to go in and control the philanthropists who interfered with established structures guiding the workers and distribution of donated food and medicines. Otherwise, they seem to take over. I like the council and authority that have been put in place for preplanning and budgeting to create a framework. This also applies to sponsors. At times it is better for them to give funds and work through a structure rather than have different people coming in with lots of food or medicines that may have expired. People run around helter-skelter. The authorities will address such issues."
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"content": "We also have the County Disaster Risk Management Committees. If we do not have SOPs within these committees and risks that have been identified, these committees will not work. We should look at this Bill, especially on risk, rather than wait for disasters to occur and then try to classify and manage them. We should be prepared."
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