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"content": "on 15th November, 2023; I may not be in a position to explain whether it was a sinister motive because the members of the public that presented this petition did it on their own volition. Petition No.5 was committed by the Speaker of the County Assembly of Meru to a Joint Committee on Labour and Justice; two committees that I am not a member of. So, just like any MCA who is not a member of those two committees, I consumed that report only on the day it was tabled on the Floor of the House. So, about the sinister motive; I may not be able to explain because I consumed the report on the Floor of the honourable Assembly. Number two; yes, I submit I am a member of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) and the section that has just been quoted is indeed correct. However, I submit that apart from that section, Article 229(6) also indicates that an audit report can indeed, be considered by the County Assembly, but it also clear that the audit report is final. In this regard, I submit that in the audit report, it was clearly indicated that the management of the County Government of Meru was in breach of the law. So, I do not feel that the County Assembly could have said the management is not in breach of the law. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the next question was from Sen. Kinyua. In the video, the Governor talks about a contribution of Kshs86 million; she is not giving two amounts. She only said that if that money is not above Kshs60 million, then those who are collecting that money are wakora na wezi in Kiswahili. That is what she insinuated, she did not give two figures. I believe it is the Governor who can speak for herself on whether she was taken out of context or not. In the video that I am talking, I submit that that video was a media interview that I had taken for more than an hour. Although I said I cannot remember the dates, I submit that I had talked about so many governance issues. If that video was played in full, I would be able to explain the context and the circumstances under which I made that comment. That is why I feel it was out of context. Thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Wakili Sigei",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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"content": " You have answered the questions. We will have Sen. Oketch Eddy and Sen. Mundigi, in that order."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. OketchGicheru",
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Witness, I know it has been a long day. I will be brief. I have two questions. You have confirmed that you belong to the Committee on County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) in the Assembly."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Zipporah Kinya",
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"content": "Indeed."
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"content": "I wanted to know, in your own understanding and knowledge, do all the Members of County Assembly (MCAs) in Meru County, those who voted for and against this impeachment, in your best of knowledge, belong to committees? If they do not belong to any committees, can you tell this House the circumstances that make them not to belong? The last question is still on CPAC. The question that Sen.Osotsi asked is still not exhaustive to me. If you read Article 229(8) of the Constitution, read together with Section 31(5) of the Public Audit Act, the question is more of the responsibility to youas a member of CPAC and to the Assembly as a whole. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. OketchGicheru",
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"content": "This is your evidence in chief. In your best knowledge possible, was this report considered and thereafter---"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Wakili Sigei",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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"content": " Sen.Oketch Gicheru, your time is up. Proceed, Sen. Mundigi."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Munyi Mundigi",
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"content": "Asante, Bw. Spika wa Muda. Mheshimiwa, swali langu ni kuhusu kilimo. Kila kaunti ina kamati ya kilimo na mifugo. Ng’ombe ishirini ilikufa na kila ng’ombe ilikuwa ni shilingi elfu mia mbili. Hizo ng’ombe zilikuwa katika kijiji kimoja. Kila kijiji kina mbuzi, kondoo, ngamia na punda. Wakati ugonjwa uliingia, je, kamati ya kilimo na mifugo ilitembea kona zote za Meru County kufanya hesabu ili waweze kuona ni mufugo wangapi wamekufa ili tuweze kujua kama uchumi wa Meru umeimarika au umekuwa ukirudi chini. Ng’ombe ishirini kwa shilingi elfu mia mbili ni milioni nne. Ukihesabu utaona kuna ward ambapo ng’mbe arubaini na tano wakufa, hizo pesa zinakuwa ni kiwango cha juu sana. Mlipata wakati wa kasaidia ua mlifanya vipi kuinua uchumi wa Meru kuhusu mifugo hii?"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. WakiliSigei",
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"content": " Hon. Zipporah, respond to those questions."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Zipporah Kinya",
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I confirm that all the MCAs who did not support this impeachment are in the committees. I can start with the first committee, the Select Committee on Budget, in our volume six of the County Assembly documents. Number one, we have Hon. Jacob Mwirigi Muthuri, the Chairperson of the Budget Committee and he did not support this impeachment. They actually voted against this impeachment. On No.14 on page seven of volume six, we have an Hon. Martin Kimathi Muriungi, Hon. Member for Timau Ward. He is a Member of the Budget Committee and did not support the impeachment of the Governor of Meru. The last one on that list is Hon. Jennifer Makena Morogocho who voted against this Motion. She is a member of the Budget Committee. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, if you allow me, I can go to the other committees."
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