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"speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"content": "We shall come to you, Chairman."
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"content": " Both Hon. Millie and Hon. Kaluma are right. Hon. Kaluma is trying to bring purity into the framework, while Hon. Millie says that there must be a framework to house the purity. We should avoid the deletions as well as incorporate the amendments that are proposed by Hon. Kaluma. That is my proposal. Thank you."
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"content": " Daktari and then Hon. Kaluma."
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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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"content": " I actually agree with what honourable colleagues have said. Let Hon. Kaluma’s amendments be in addition to what exists. Hon."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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"content": "Kaluma’s amendments are looking at very high-level moral issue that we cannot avoid. When you look at the management in the Bill as it is, we need what is in the Bill now. We need a framework. Whether it altruistic or something else, we still need that framework. Again, I am wondering how we will handle it. The Chair’s amendments bring exactly what Hon. Kaluma says prohibits commercial surrogacy, which I also agree with. In a way, I agree with all of Hon. Kaluma’s amendments except the deletion he is coming with. We should just add it on top."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"content": " Let us hear Hon. Kaluma himself."
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"speaker_name": "Homa Bay Town, ODM",
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"content": " This is the beauty of the Committee of the whole House. I am grateful because we are learning from the experiences of each other. If you look at my proposals cumulatively, I was breaking the idea of the framework in Clause 4(a) to make it more specific. I request Hon. Millie to look at it. The current Clause 4(a) says: “To provide a framework for the protection and advancement of”. That is why I said my amendments are if we are not deleting “the protection and advancement of”. Hon. Millie, I agree we should provide a framework for assisted reproduction. We can remove that. As all Members consult, I am fine with it if the House can guide us on how to integrate that into the Bill. Otherwise, my amendments were just breaking down the framework. What is the framework around? It is specifically prohibiting commercial surrogacy, permitting altruistic surrogacy, and doing everything incidental to the two."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"content": " Let me hear the suggestions from Millie because we are just trying to get a middle ground. In one minute, Hon. Millie."
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"speaker_name": "Suba North, ODM",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. The Chair can adopt what Hon. Kaluma is suggesting as a further amendment since he is seeking a deletion. If you look at Hon. Kaluma’s amendments, they are focussed on surrogacy. Surrogacy is only one small component of the Bill. The entire Bill is not about that. The entire Bill is about different issues, like how to store gametes. How do we license? How do we provide standards? It is a framework. I not mind if we provide an amendment that provides a framework for assisted reproduction technology services as Hon. Kaluma is suggesting. I am okay with that. Hon. Kaluma cannot do it since he is moving a deletion. It will have to be the Chair."
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