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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Hon. Jared Okello, I am asking what is out of order for the record."
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"content": " What is out of order is Hon. Atandi's assertion that we need to divorce churches and religious organisations from conducting affairs within our schools. All of us know that there is another life in God's kingdom after this life, and preparation ought to ensue along that line. Therefore, we cannot say churches have no role and should not play any role. They must be at the centre of our schools. We will continue inviting them no matter what. All other organisations have failed flat, but churches have continued to thrive and fester in all their activities. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What could have been actually considered…"
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): You have made your point very well. Hon. Atandi, you have a chance to comment on that."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I agree with Hon. Jared Okello that spiritual nourishment is very important. However, my concern is: what is the role of the church in the management of the education system? That is what I am questioning. Sometimes, we may have a principal who is not delivering, but that principal cannot leave that institution until the church says yes, yet the church is not interested in the academic performance of that school. Their interest is spiritual nourishment. What I am saying is that we could still have churches and spiritual leaders working with the schools, but we do not need to have it in the Act to force them to..."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Hon. Members, I can see many of you want to comment on this, but you know this is a House of Debate. I know each of us has our positions on this subject matter, so there is nothing out of order. I want to allow Hon. Keynan to proceed with the debate. The Member for Eldas has been waiting for long."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, that debate we are having right now reminds me of the three Cs: Christianity, Commerce, and Civilisation, which is part of the legacy of our colonial history, but that will be a debate for another day. I am sure that Hon. Okello and Hon. Atandi might be products of two different philosophies. This Bill by Hon. Mary Wamaua is timely and good. It demonstrates that the Member is familiar with the crisis in our education sector. The main object of the Bill is to amend the Basic Education Act No.14 of 2013 to provide for the establishment of a Sub-County Education Board in every sub-county. The function of the Sub-County Education Board is also clearly spelt out. Before I make my general contribution, there are particular things that Hon. Mary Wamaua needs to look at so that we have a definitional clarity. In our governance structure, we have the national Government, counties and constituencies. These are constitutional entities. We also have administrative sub-counties under the National Government Administration Act. For clarity, what does the Member have in mind? Does she have in mind the Constituency Education Board or the administrative Sub-County Education Board? Let her make that clear. I suggest that she looks critically at Clause 18A so that there is no confusion and no ambiguity. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "If the Member wants to cascade the County Education Board to another level, the best thing to do is to provide for a Constituency Sub-County Education Board. If left at the sub- county, it will be subjected to many definitional problems. Look at it in the next stage so you are clear on what you want because the administrative sub-counties mutate monthly and yearly. The numbers can be decided administratively, but the constituency issues are decided between 10 to 12 years. That must also be clear. The other bit is the educational qualification of the chairperson. It is very important that we clearly spell this out. In addition to having a degree as a requirement, specify the area of study, for instance, a degree in education. That clarity is also needed. Once upon a time, Kenya was voted as having the best human resource capital and recognised for the best education system that we inherited from the British. However, over the years, we have turned our education system into one that changes every day and every term at the whims of whoever is the Cabinet Secretary for Education. Whenever a new CS takes office, the first thing they do is say that they are engaging in reforms. These reforms have convoluted our education system, caused uncertainty and made it dysfunctional and unpredictable. It is high time we recognised that certainty and predictability are key components of education. In the past, we all emphasised the pecuniary gains of education. We went to school to receive part of the banking concept: you go to school, get employed and become a productive member of society. However, times have changed. Education is now an equaliser and a basic right under our Constitution, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) and the UN system. Therefore, what we lack as a country, and what this Bill attempts to address, is the further devolution of education management from the counties to the sub-counties. I plead with my good sister, who has brought this Bill, to look at it critically to avoid definitional contradictions that may be used by the usual litigants out there to challenge it. We need to find the most appropriate term between constituency or sub-county. I will propose constituency so as to have a 'Constituency Education Board', because that is more definite."
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"content": "[The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) left the Chair]"
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"content": "(The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) took the Chair]"
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"content": "Why have we lost our status as the best in human resource capital? Over the last few years, there has been an attempt to glorify university education at the expense of tertiary institutions. Today, in the whole world, there are many job opportunities for graduates of our tertiary institutions. Unfortunately, the tertiary institutions we once had have been turned into university colleges. Today, if you go to London, they hold an annual conference on education to review the curriculum and job markets. In our Kenyan system, everyone wants a degree that does not resonate well with the job market, whether in the village, the international community or the global village. We need to look at this and rebrand our education system to serve as an avenue for getting opportunities that are not only available in Kenya but everywhere. Once upon a time, being a member of the diaspora community was considered a renegade member of Kenyan society. Today, the diaspora community has become the most productive sector of Kenyan society, overtaking the tourism sector in foreign exchange earnings. A few years ago, if you were identified as a member of our diaspora community, you were often associated with being a dissenter or someone unhappy with Kenyan society. Today, Kenyans have proudly demonstrated the value of our education system. As the Legislative Arm of the Republic of Kenya, particularly the Members of this august House, we must critically dissect the issues affecting the ailing education sector. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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