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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my reading to Standing Order No.97(3) is only in reference to replies to Motions. It has no mention of a Bill. What is on the Floor of the House is a reply to a Bill. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, you should take note that the Mover of this Bill spoke for a whole hour moving the Bill. There was opportunity for Members to contribute, but they were not in this House. Some of us sat here until 6.30p.m because we were on queue also to move our Bills. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, can you make a ruling on whether Standing Order No.97 applies to Bills because the procedure for Bills is totally different from the procedure for Motions?"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " There is no one on the Floor of the House."
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"content": "On a point of clarity."
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"content": " Yes, what is your point?"
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, I have 27 minutes, which is why I sought for your permission. I can use the 27 minutes to continue speaking, but I have heard Sen. Sifuna saying that I spoke for an hour. I do not know whether we are arguing on the time or what because 27 minutes will be spent on this matter of provision of sanitary pads. I seek your permission, because if I donate three minutes to each of these Senators, Mr. Temporary Speaker, I am not eating into anyone's time. This is a matter that I believe the Senators who were not in the House would want to weigh in. So, I do not know whether Sen. Sifuna is saying that he does not want the public to hear what Sen. Miraj, Sen. Nyutu and Sen. Wakoli would like to contribute on this Bill. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I seek your permission again."
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?"
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, just for clarity, I agree with Sen. Sifuna. The interpretation of the words ‘Bill’ and ‘Motion’ are two things that are totally different, even how you prosecute and time allocated. The question should be that the Motion and Bill are two different aspects that are of the same family, but different species as a Biology class would describe. So the reading of this is that Sen. Gloria has a right, but Standing Order No.97(3) qualifies this by saying it is a Motion. Does it mean the Motion and the Bill are the same? If it is the same, then Sen. Orwoba has the right to donate part of her reply. However, if it is not the same, then the right to reply should be in the terms of the Bill. If so, Sen. Orwoba should reply or request, as per Standing Order No.63 or 66, that the putting of the question be deferred or the division be deferred, if it concerns counties. So, clarity on that will assist some of us. That also includes Sen. Sifuna, who is on the queue to move the Sports (Amendment) Bill of 2024. I thank you, and I submit."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Senators. The point of order by Sen. Sifuna is a substantive point of order because it requires a proper ruling. The question is whether a Motion and a Bill are the same. I am taking it that the two individuals who rose on the points of order, Sen. Sifuna and Sen. Cherarkey, are both learned individuals. I would like to take cue on the fact that they probably understand the law better than I do. We will have to get clarification on that. However, Standing Order No.97(3) refers to right to reply. During the right to reply, a Senator may nominate another Senator who has not spoken to such a Motion. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services, Senate."
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"content": "So, I would believe that the right to reply and the right to donate your time applies to both a Motion and a Bill. As per now, there is no proper clarity on that matter. We also take note that Sen. Orwoba had already started replying to this matter and had not put the request to donate that time when she started her reply. We will, therefore, have to reconsider the permission that we gave her to donate the time to Sen. Joe Nyutu, Sen. Miraj and Sen. Wafula. We will ask her to just go ahead and reply."
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