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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The predecessor to the current Cabinet Secretary came here and I had the same question. There is a school called Kamutwalu Primary School which was allocated Kshs10 million. A sum of Kshs2 million was advanced in the financial year 2019/2020 and the school is yet to get the balance of Kshs8 million up to now. The predecessor, Hon. Machogu, had promised to give them the balance. I do not know if Hon. Waziri has that information in his archives. We have Tharaka Technical College and the community together with its board would want it elevated to a national polytechnic. This is because that technical college serves a very huge population. It serves the entire lower part of eastern province, part of Ukambani and some part of Maua. Therefore, the community together with board requests that this technical college be uplifted to a national polytechnic for it to serve the intended purpose. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Cabinet Secretary, let us admit it. From your table, the school needs Kshs12.9 billion in pending bills and you want to give them Kshs145 million per month for the next six months. That gives us a total of Kshs870 million. That is in view of the paltry Kshs207 million that they are able to generate on their own. The college is insolvent. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, can you make an undertaking? You cannot do it now, but you can take an undertaking that a few weeks or months from now, you will present to the public a comprehensive strategy of how you want to weed out the insolvency problem at the TUK. Having said that, allow me to briefly make a passing remark. The Government must do something to let the parents know that it is not a must that every child gets a university degree. The courses that were being offered by the Kenya Polytechnic before it was converted to a university were equally competitive in the job market. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond."
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"content": " Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I will start by answering the question raised by Sen. (Prof.) Kamar. She wanted to know of the space that we have in the mid-level colleges. My response is that we have almost one million spaces available in TVETs. This is because of the structure of the programmes that are offered."
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"content": "As I indicated, we have modularized those programmes. Therefore, students can come in and out. Remember when TVETs were formed, they were supposed to absorb the students who were not going to universities. In 2024/2025, we had a total of 375,000 students in TVETs when the student admission to universities was at 22 per cent. The universities had almost 800,000 students. So, the pyramid was inverted; we had more students in universities than in TVETs. We should have more students in TVETs than universities. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we started a programme of increasing the enrollment of the students and we targeted above one million. We started in January this year and have raised the enrollment from 375,000 to almost 700,000. They are all in college. We do admissions in January, May and in every quarter. So, there is enough space to admit students who do not go to universities in our institutions, in both TVETs and VTCs."
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"content": "I will next respond to Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale’s recommendation. Right now, our universities have a TVET institution within them. We, therefore, have students who go to a university, but are actually in the TVET. This means that those students are absorbed for those courses in those universities. It has been said that we have a number of young people between the age of 18 and 35 who are neither in formal school nor in formal employment. They are the ones who are out here. The TVETs are supposed to absorb and remove them from the streets. If we do so, we will skill them and they will play a role in the economy. We will then have plumbers, electricians and engineers. They can later progress their studies. We are also offering many other IT programmes in that space. In fact, the issue of enrollment to TVETs is being spearheaded in conjunction with National Government Administration Officers (NGAO). That is because we are using an all-of-government approach. When these officers go to barazas, they tell the parents what is important and the usefulness of the courses being offered by those institutions."
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"content": "Apart from that, we have a lot of equipment in those institutions. Therefore, hands-on learning is more effective. We recently passed a policy called a dual training policy where our students would be taught in institutions for 50 per cent of the time then they go to the industries for the other 50 per cent of the time. We are signing collaboration agreements with industries in various places. We are looking at textile industries and any other industry for us to have our children have a hands-on learning. We are doing something in this space to ensure that we reduce the number of students who are not skilled."
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"content": "Sen. Eddy has asked if there is a specific remedy to deal with--- You will recall that there were students who were pursuing degree in medicine at Moi University and had The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "been in that institution for nine years for courses that were supposed to take six years. Therefore, those students had lost three years in that university. When there was a strike, we came up with a package to resolve the issues of Moi University. We also came up with a package to resolve the problem of those medical students. Their problem related to training in the referral hospitals. We came up with a programme where they expanded it from Moi Teaching and Training Referral Hospital to Iten Hospital. That now provides opportunity for more students to train. That initiative enabled us to graduate those students in March this year. The first students graduated on 28th November last year, but the medical students and the other batch that had remained behind graduated in March this year. When we come up with a programme to ensure that the strike is resolved, we also work towards coming up with a programme on how the students who have suffered will meet their lecture time so that they can graduate. We, as Kenyans, need to also agree that we need to resolve the problems early. One of the problems we discovered is that most academic strikes arise out of the CBA. We found out that CBAs are negotiated at the end of their lifespan. When you do so, it simply means you have not budgeted for it, there is no predictability and you are not aware of what was required. We have now insisted that going forward, the CBAs should be negotiated at the beginning of their lifespan. With that, we will know the amount of money that we will need. That way, we can budget or plan for it. I am glad to note that they are already negotiating the CBA for 2025/2029 as I speak. We will then be able to factor it in our next budgets to ensure that the teachers know or the lecturers know what they require. That is how we are trying to resolve this space and it is a multi-pronged approach. We have to deal with it because the students who are in these universities are our students. If we do not do something about them, they suffer. As we indicated, almost 23 of our universities were technically insolvent. If we carried through the insolvency and said these ones are dead, let them go, we would be having a number of our students not having spaces to go. So, we had to make a hard decision on what we need to do so as to keep those universities floating for our students to get their education and graduate."
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"content": "The other question is on the interest on the Kshs145 million. We are negotiating with the institutions. For example, payee is remitted to Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA). When you do not remit, there is penalty and interest. We are, therefore, negotiating with them, ensuring that we pay the principal while seeking the removal of interest and penalties. Additionally, we have established a payment plan spanning several years to bring the matter up to standard. This is the course of action we are taking regarding the issue of interest and penalties. Regarding housing challenges, the Ministry has not conducted an audit of all universities to determine their housing needs. However, each university has undertaken its own assessment to determine the percentage of student hostels required. I am pleased to report that as independent institutions under their charters, some universities have performed remarkably well. For example, Maseno University has The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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