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"content": "That is okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will comment on the statement by the Committee on Finance and Budget and the Committee on Energy. I want to thank the Committee on Finance and Budget on the fourth session of the formula on shareable revenue. There are about 10 counties getting less than Kshs6 billion. I have said many times in this House that if we do not do an affirmative action, some counties, in the near future, will be at the state of Kenya right now while other will be like Singapore. This is because those 10 counties are just paying salaries and other recurrent expenditure. This is because the resources they are getting cannot enable them to undertake any meaningful development."
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"content": "That is what I was saying. As we discuss this new formula from tomorrow, it is important for us to say that each county should at least get Kshs 6 billion then we subject the formula for anything above Kshs6 billion. If we do that, counties like Elgeyo- Marakwet, Tharaka-Nithi, Isiolo, Lamu and Taita-Taveta can have meaningful development. I am the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee on Energy and we have talked about seven or so counties that are not on the national grid, namely; Wajir, Mandera, Garissa, part of Isiolo, Marsabit and Turkana. These areas were neglected by successive governments. The committee cannot do anything as of now."
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"content": " Just a minute, Sen. Kisang’. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is on a point of order."
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"content": "But you hold my time."
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"content": "Bear with me Senator. I rise under Article 202 and 203 of the Constitution of Kenya. The distinguished Senator from Elgeyo-Marakwet proposes that this House adopt a formula where each county receives an equal allocation of between Kshs5 billion to Kshs6 billion. Is he in order, given that the letter and spirit of the Constitution does not speak to equality, but equity? How does he intend for such a provision to align with Articles 202 and 203, which says that shareable revenue be shared equitably?"
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"content": " I believe that is not what he meant. Sen. Kisang, can you clarify that? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I believe the distinguished doctor is slightly older than me. He may have misunderstood me. As we discuss the new revenue- sharing formula, I proposed that each county first receive a minimum allocation of Kshs6 billion to cover essential expenditures such as salaries. For instance, Kakamega and Elgeyo-Markwet counties have 10 County Executive Committee Members (CECM) and perhaps 12 Chief Officers. We also have a similar number of nurses and county referral hospitals. My point is that each county should receive a minimum of Kshs6 billion. Then, all additional resources above Kshs200 billion be shared equitably. That means, a county like Elgeyo Marakwet, for example, may receive an additional Kshs500 million, bringing its total to Kshs6.5 billion. Kakamega County could receive an additional Kshs4 billion, making its total Kshs10 billion. I did not propose an equal allocation for all counties. I suggested that the first 20 or 30 per cent be distributed equally, and anything above that be shared equitably. On energy, I was emphasizing that there are seven counties that have been marginalized, particularly in terms of power supply. As a country, we need to have a conversation about how to effectively deliver electricity to these marginalised counties. We cannot it do it using the currently available resources since we do not have enough. That is why we are advocating for the adoption of PPP. If we explore PIPs, we should ensure that the approach follows an international expression of interest. This is because we have seen corruption issues arise with PIPs in the past. I thank you."
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"content": " Last by not least, let us have Sen. Wakili Hillary."
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"content": "Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would like to comment on two of the statements. The first one was presented by the Health Committee. It is a matter of public notoriety that the health sector across nearly all counties in this Republic is in shambles. This is an issue we can no longer take for granted, whenever we see reports such as the one tabled by the Health Committee regarding the visits. The findings from visits to Mandera, Marsabit and Wajir counties, are an example of what happens across the counties. Whether it pertains to expired drugs, inefficiencies in service delivery, or infrastructural shortcomings, there has been a complete failure by county governments to effectively manage the health sector. Devolution was never intended to cripple the health sector. When the national Government undertakes reforms in institutions such as NHIF, the primary aim is to ensure that service delivery in the health sector reaches the most vulnerable members of society at the county level. The expectation has always been that devolved governments would manage their health facilities efficiently. This was to ensure that services are delivered effectively to the people. It is, therefore, deeply unfortunate to read the stories that the committee has experienced in their visits. I have no objection to the Health Committee holding a session with the county governor to address concerns and seek clarifications. However, it is unfortunate when The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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