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"content": "monies are put to good use and are put in a place that they can be able to serve our people. Lastly, Mr. Speaker, I said I wanted to bring a recourse to a conversation that has implicated the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget on the issue of mineral and royalties. It is not comprehensive here because, ordinarily, that amount of money should also feature as an additional allocation to counties in this conversation. This is because there are counties like Migori that has got a lot of gold and this money sometimes leaves our communities. It does not go back to Nyatike, Osiri-Matanda and Masara. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, if you look at Kehancha today, you will see an emerging mining population bigger than some quarters known for mining. Therefore, mineral royalties must go back to our counties. I also would also like to say that the reason perhaps, my leader in the Committee on Finance and Budget did not talk about this is because, mineral royalties is guided---"
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"content": " What is your point of order, Sen. Mandago? Sen. Eddy, take your seat."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like Sen. Eddy to clarify something I have heard because English can sometimes be confusing. In his statement on minerals, he has said that the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget is implicated. The people of Mandera might think that their Senator has begun some mining business and yet, in my understanding and perception, he was referring to the Committee on the role of minerals. This is a House of record, let it be clear."
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"content": " Sen. Gicheru, proceed to make that clarification."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is 4.51 p.m. and Sen. Mandago has just walked in and, therefore, I understand his plight. I said that when one of the Senators was speaking here, he accused the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget for fighting for the inclusion of mineral royalties in this disbursement schedule as an additional allocation; which is true. However, I wanted to give clarity as to why that did not feature here. That is where I was going. The next time, Sen. Mandago should try to come to the House early. Mineral royalties are guided by the Mining Act, 2016. That allocation is under Section 181. The Act is further guided by the Mining (Mineral Royalty Sharing) Regulations, 2023 which we passed here in this House. If you further look at the PFM Act under Section 28, you will see that it requires mineral royalties after the collections are first put into a Mineral Royalties Collection Account, then, under Section 75 of the PFM Act, that collection account must be transferred to the Consolidated Fund Account. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, where does the sharing element come into? Under those Regulations, Section 5 says- “(1) The accounting officer of the State Department shall prepare and submit to the National Treasury, by the 15th day after every quarter, a schedule of royalties on amounts— (a) of royalties received from holders of mineral rights; The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "(b) payable to the National Government, County Governments and communities respectively.” Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will not bore you with much, but it goes further to share the apportionment in terms of percentages that must go to the national Government, county governments as well as local communities. That schedule is already there and is established by law and subsequent Regulations. It is not that the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget was not aware of this. We canvassed on this and he is well informed. I am also well informed as a Member of that Committee. Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale and other Members are just as informed. It is only that this schedule is already prescribed for by law and that is why it did not feature on this. With that, I support this Schedule and encourage that we keep on fighting hard, so that the National Treasury does not only share these schedules for us to pass, but they must honour these schedules as well in order to ensure that those monies go to counties on time and reach our people in the same spirit as the equitable share; which is fathered by Article 219 which provides for money to reach those counties in time, without undue delays and in the measures that have been passed in this House. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I hope that we will go into a good ride with the National Assembly and the National Treasury in making sure that in future schedules and county additional allocation of resources, money will be allocated to the UHC workers for them to be included in this kind of schedule so that they get their money. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Abass Mohamed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I join my colleagues in support of the Cash Disbursement Schedule for the Financial Year 2024/2025. This schedule is coming in too late at the end of May. We only have one month for these funds. I was a Member of the mediation committee and every year, whenever we have talked about additional funds, we always had a mediation committee. This is unfortunate. It is time that this House discussed on how best to handle this money independent of the National Assembly because every time, this money always delays and at times, the National Treasury releases these funds late. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, money may not get released for three months and workers do not get paid. The issue of releasing funds to the counties must be discussed in this Senate and we must come up with a way to disburse monies on time, like in other institutions in the national Government. In the Schedule, my County has received almost Kshs265 million, some of it is for CAIPs. I have seen many buildings coming up in Wajir County. I am asking myself whether this is a priority for me. We do not have many cottage industries and when we start with these big buildings, I fear that we will be having white elephants after completing them. We do not even have the products for those places. I do not know whether we will use them as cereal boards. There is money allocated to CHPs who are poorly paid, which is a small token. It is Kshs5,000 per month and this money is not received on time. These people do a very The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "important job, especially in my area, which is 56,000 square kilometres. Then someone is told to go work, there is no transport, any support or public means to go to those farfetched places. Therefore, I urge the Committee on Finance and Budget to look into this issue of CHPs, so that we can at least improve their allowances. As it is, it is an abuse of human rights. You cannot send someone to work for you and not give them the necessary support. Even the little Kshs5,000 delays. We need to have a standing allowance payment for these health promoters. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on doctors’ salaries, it has been said by my colleagues that every morning, we have doctors wearing uniforms, loitering in the streets and making noise. That is unprofessional. This happens in this country. These are not hawkers, but people who have gone to school for seven years. They got good grades and then they walk on the streets everyday demanding for their rights. This should not happen anymore. This Senate has to intervene and come up with a way where these doctors can be helped. The UHC workers are not only doctors, there are nurses, technicians and every other cadre. We must find a solution to this problem once and for all. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to tell the Committee on Finance and Budget that if you go to our counties, the ECDEs do not have any money allocated to them. They are at the mercy of counties. These are the people we are depending on in future. They are young children and they have no proper classes, materials and some have no desks. In my county, children sit down and the classes are overcrowded. Therefore, there is no allocation of funds for Early Childhood Development and Education (ECDEs). The additional funds should also have money for the ECDE classes and pupils for us to have better learning environment for those young girls and boys. Those young boys and girls are the future doctors of this country. We have the other issue which is the court fines. I think this is not fair. Every county must get their realities of the court fines. We know that Kenyans from all corners go to the High Court or the Court of Appeal, which are in Nairobi. The money should not only go to Nairobi or a few counties. That money must go to all counties, however little it will be. Finally, we have the money from donors and it is a lot of money. My county is currently receiving Kshs1.7 billion, which is a lot of money. They have been getting that money even in the previous years. Unfortunately, what is on the ground is too little. The other issues is health. I think the Social Health Authority (SHA) has improved the operations of institutions like the dispensaries and health centers. However, the problem with SHA is that there is no proper accountability. The money is being used at source. A lot of money has been collected, but there is no proper accountability or where it has been put in place. This country must come up with proper auditing and accountability. We have a lot of money coming to various--- SHA has really changed things because the health centers and dispensaries are now receiving a lot of money, but that money is not being used prudently. I am worried that this money will be lost if there will be no accountability. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we cannot continue crying like babies for money to be allocated to the counties. The National Treasury must have a section for the counties in order for them to have an independent institution that will take care of their funding and budgets. With those few remarks, I beg to support it."
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