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"content": "After the agreement, a down payment of 10 per cent was paid, which was totalling to about Kshs3 million. There was a balance of Kshs27 million. What happened is that Terapla which was supposed to buy that particular land formed another company in the name of Chania River Bank Estate. So, Chania River Bank convinced the Chairman of Swani Coffee Estate to allow him to use the title deed to get some money from the bank based on the memorandum of understanding. Later, the same Terapla went ahead and formed another company in the name of Chania River Bank which now purported to have bought the land using the same title deed. In other words, Swani Coffee Estate lost the title deed because he never got the money and the title deed went to somebody else. These are some of the things we are talking about. Another one is Synergy Industrial Credit versus Cape Holdings Limited. I mentioned on Thursday 8th December, 2011 that the matter regarding the investigation of Synergy Industrial Credit is between Synergy Industrial Credit and Cape Holdings. It is a civil matter which is also in arbitration. It has nothing to do with fraud. We said that investigations on the directors of Synergy Industrial Credit for money laundering are independent. We shall give the report later because we want to know whether it is, indeed, true that Synergy Industrial Credit is involved in money laundering. So, the issue of somebody coming up and saying that it is Cape Holdings who are involved in fraud and so on, is unfair. It is not that way. The fact of the matter is that there is an arbitration which is going on. It is a civil matter and has nothing to do with criminal matters."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have also said that laws should be enacted to tackle issues of evictions and resettlement. The reason why I am agreeing with the recommendations on evictions and resettlement is because it will minimize the issue of lawlessness."
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"content": " Please, wind up!"
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"content": " Yes, I am winding up. I also mentioned in this House that my main work is to provide security. I said that I will provide security to those who are constructing their houses and those who are demolishing. With those few remarks, I beg to support."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to support the work of the Committee and I want to thank them for working very hard in a short time and coming up with a very comprehensive Report. I know that some pessimists were arguing that they are giving us the same recommendations that we have heard over and over again. Sometimes, it is not an issue that we get new recommendations, but ensuring that we hear it over and over again and make sure that it is done. That is why I am happy that the Minister for Lands and the Assistant Minister, Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security have sat here through. I am hoping that they will listen very keenly to what the Committee has recommended and hasten reforms in their respective Ministries. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, one of the issues that has come out very clearly is the issue of sanctity of title deeds. Most Kenyans are not sure whenever they buy land in this country. You cannot be sure whether the title deed is yours. So, it is very unfortunate not only for investors, but for young Kenyans who are hard working, not corrupt and who want to do their things in a very straight forward manner. They have sacrificed and invested in buying a little house. Then they wake up one day and are told that they built on a road reserve or Government land and yet, the original person who irregularly acquired that land is not punished. Even though I know that we do not make laws retroactively, but this is one of the cases where we should because, really, we cannot have persons acquiring land irregularly and selling it unknowing to Kenyans, and then punish the persons who have no clue or knowledge about the wrong title deed of the land. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am very happy that hon. Orengo has mentioned one of the areas that is not usually talked about. I know that yesterday there were hon. Members who spoke very lengthily on Article 40 (2); I want to speak to the other one, which is Article 40 (4):-"
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"content": "“Provision may be made for compensation to be paid to occupants in good faith of land acquired under Clause (3) who may not hold title to the land.” So, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, if there are people who do not have title and who, in good faith, are occupying a place, it is the responsibility of the Government of Kenya to ensure that these persons are actually compensated. Then I want to talk to the issue of rule of law. Even when people improperly occupy land, for us to evict them, we must follow the rule of law. We cannot use shortcuts because we passed the Constitution so that we follow and obey it. We cannot have different classes of persons and different laws applied to them. We are in a new era and that era must be respected. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to talk to the issue of a very unique group of persons in these areas that we are speaking about. There are persons who got wrong titles, sold them to unsuspecting Kenyans and then there are persons who are occupying land for persons who have proper titles, and there are landlords who are encouraging them to occupy it. I alluded to this yesterday."
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"content": "[The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Mr. Ethuro) left the Chair]"
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"content": "[The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Prof. Kaloki) took the Chair]"
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"content": "Unless we deal with these landlords, who are also abusing persons who have proper titles by encouraging people to occupy land which is not properly theirs, we will have a problem. Finally, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to say that on the issue of the Government going to sleep, if you actually look at most of the houses that were actually pulled down, unless these people were using miraculous methods, we know what period it takes for a house to come from the ground and go to the size these houses were; it is not less than six months. And if the Government has been sleeping on its own rights--- Minister for Lands, I hope you will listen. The Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security has left. If you have been asleep on your rights for this while, really, you cannot even under the law bother these people; they have put in resources and if the Government did not think this land was important to them and people have taken all this while to build and finish their houses, then you should not come and claim this land. Where were you all this while? If you were not there, you should not bother Kenyans. If Kenyans have spent their energy and time building and putting in resources--- I know a friend of mine who is a single mother of four children, who did not have money, and at one point she was even doing fundraising to put a door and windows to the house. Some of them are not very rich people; they are just struggling, honest Kenyans. With those few remarks, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to support."
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"content": "Bw. Naibu Spika wa Muda, nashukuru kwa nafasi hii ili niweze kuchangia jambo hili, ambalo ni la muhimu sana na limeweza kuishtua nchi nzima. Mimi mwenyewe niliweza kufika kwenye vikao vilivyokuwa vikiendeshwa na Mwenyekiti hapa, na nilipata nafasi na fursa ya kuweza kusikiza maoni ya wananchi. Vile vile, mimi mwenyewe niliweza kutoa uamuzi wangu. Bw. Naibu Spika wa Muda, jambo hili lilikuwa ni jambo zito mno na liliumiza nchi nzima; wakenya walipatwa na machungu na hasira kubwa sana. Cha kutia aibu na shaka kubwa ni kwa sababu tangu hawa wananchi wafike katika sehemu walizojenga nyumba zao, ukweli wa mambo ni kwamba hawakujenga zile yumba kwa siku moja, siku mbili, hawakujenga kwa mwezi mmoja, bali walijenga kwa miezi kumi na mine au zaidi."
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