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    "id": 36183,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. Munya",
    "speaker_title": "The Assistant Minister for East African Community",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Joseph Konzolo Munyao",
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    "content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, that is an argument and I am saying that if you want the poor man to afford the high matatu fare, do not give a subsidy as it will help even somebody who does not use a matatu . Give that person the money directly. The Government is already doing that, but we are saying it needs to upscale it. There is already a programme by the Government of transferring money to poor people, or giving monthly stipends to poor families in Kenya. What we are saying is, expand that programme. Give stipends to a bigger percentage of the society instead of trying to subsidise lifestyles of rich people. Experience has also shown that when you subsidise a product, this leads to over- consumption of it by those people who will not feel the pinch. They will overspend on it as they will use it for leisure."
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