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"speaker_name": "Suba North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Ms.) Odhiambo-Mabona",
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"content": " Let me demystify. De facto basically means that in practice that person will be acting as a vice-chair because he takes over the position of chair in the absence of the chair. De jure means that if we provided for it in law as a vice-chair, then it would be by law. But, de facto even if you say presiding, he will be a vice- chair. My point of order was that can we move them one by one. The one on the zebra, then the other one. I am not withdrawing my amendment, even if I am the only one supporting it."
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