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"content": "The other day, I saw some counties being given more sub-counties and we did not see anything for Machakos County. We had also suggested that Masinga be divided into two, and Mavoko be divided into two."
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"content": "[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) left the Chair]"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, Sen. M. Kajwang’ should reverse it back to the 1960s instead of 1992, because the people who made the boundaries in 1992 did not conduct proper public participation. I suggest that even the people who will be now working on this Bill should have public participation broadly because there are those elders in every county who know the boundaries of the counties where they were, even from the colonial days. Like in Machakos County, we are talking of Machakos being from the Museum Hill here in Nairobi. However, we were moved, until now Machakos County is having issues with almost every county that surrounds us. I am in talks with my county government, especially the County Executive Committee Member (CECM) for Lands in Machakos County, and the surveyors to know exactly where the boundaries of Machakos were. The sponsor of this Bill, Sen. M. Kajwang’, should meet with the people of Machakos County, and hear their cries and grievances because, in Machakos, we have been pushed so much, even Nairobi City County has pushed us so much, and it is all about revenue. We are not going to push anyone out of Machakos County, but we want also to collect revenue the way we should be collecting it. Sen. Wambua has made it very clear that we should also know where Malili and Konza City stand. Is it towards Machakos, Makueni or Kajiado counties? Those boundaries are made clear where they are, so that there will not be more fights even after this Bill is passed into law. So, Sen. M. Kajwang, before you move very far with this Bill, make sure you visit the counties that have issues, meet with the governors, the Senators, and the elders who know where their boundaries from the colonial days were to date. That will help. Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I will support this Bill with amendments."
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"content": " Thank you, Senator. Sen. Tobiko, you have the Floor."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Bill and congratulate Sen. M. Kajwang’ because this Bill is coming at the right time. Being more than 10 years now after the creation of our counties and the passing of the 2010 Constitution, this is the time. The review of county, constituencies and ward boundaries is overdue. There are even constituencies that are already threatened in their existence because time and the grace period that they had lapsed. If we do not review these boundaries, the people of about 27 or so constituencies will be threatened because the law then must either be reviewed for those constituencies to continue existing, or they are given a new lifeline, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "This law in particular comes also at the time that we have given devolution 10 years. We have given the existing counties 10 years to see how governing the counties at the lower levels will go. I remember when the counties were created after the 2010 Constitution, a lot of considerations were made. The premises that were considered included the population density, demographics, community interests, historical and cultural ties. Many of those issues were considered. It is actually that Kenyans generally are very peaceful people because boundary issues are very emotive. Kenyans have tried to live with issues that this Bill would cure. However, because of the patience of Kenyans, we have seen a little eruption of violence and disruptions here and there. However, by and large, Kenyans have become patient, waiting for both Houses of Parliament, the National Assembly and the Senate, to pass the necessary laws that will cure issues of boundaries. I also know that the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) is mandated with the issues of boundaries on wards and constituencies matters, but the issue of county boundaries needs some special attention. As has been mentioned by many Members of this House, several counties have disputes. Kajiado County is one of them. At the border of Kajiado County and Makueni County, we have a place called Oloirien, where over 74,000 acres are in dispute. The communities have been fighting. Sometimes schools including Oloiyosambu School have been burnt and children have had to vacate the school. People have lost lives and these are the issues that we need to forestall with the passage of this Bill. At the boundary of Machakos County and Kajiado County, right here at Mavoko, just very close to East African Portland Cement, we have communal land called Sheep and Goat. There is a community that lives in this land and some of us have our homes there. We belong to Kajiado County; the land belongs to Kajiado County."
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"content": "[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) resumed the Chair]"
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"content": "We did not understand how this whole place ended up being in Machakos County, yet the people have cultural ties in Kajiado County. It is the same community that is in the Sheep and Goat land. Madam Temporary Speaker, these people vote in Kajiado County."
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