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"content": "The law talks of 2.5 per cent. Looking at the Ministry’s estimates of national Government’s share at Ksh2.562 trillion, the NG-CDF allocation should be Ksh64 billion. I am bringing this to the attention of the House because there will be no way to reverse if it passes without our realisation."
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"content": "Thank you, and I beg for your guidance."
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Wamboka. Yes, Leader of the Majority Party. Is it on the issue? Hold on. Hon. Omboko Milemba wants to say something first."
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"content": " Great, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "I thank the Hon. Member for raising the matter. The matter came up in the House Business Committee. I want to indicate that certain timelines have been set for specific happenings and the budget-making process is one of them. Possibly, the framers of the Constitution wanted it that way. It is so that no lapse or occurrence, even within Parliament, obstructs important processes, including budgeting."
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"content": "Secondly, your direction will be important. Once constituted, I believe committees sit as a House and not as Minority or Majority. It will actually make us more comfortable when we have such a process going on. It is also important to remember that by the time we closed or by the time the Committee lapsed, we had issues with the Budget and Appropriations Committee. In fact, that is what has made me stand. Remember we had questioned the distribution that had been done by the Committee. Therefore, for me, it is very important to allow another unit or a different setup to handle that re-allocation. I want to convince Hon. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Members speaking on this matter that they, like myself, were victims of the distribution that was carried out by the previous Budget and Appropriations Committee. Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Leader of the Majority Party, proceed."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I heard what Hon. Jack Wamboka raised. I agree, to an extent, with the response by Hon. Omboko. For Hon. Wamboka’s benefit, this is not the first time the Speaker has directed that the budget process, whether it is the BPS or the Budget itself, be handled by the Liaison Committee. Those of us who were here in the 11th Parliament remember that during mid-term, the entire Budget and Appropriations Committee was disbanded by the House through a Motion tabled by the late Hon. Jakoyo Midiwo. It dismissed the entire Budget and Appropriations Committee of the House. For the next three years during that term, the budget- making process was done by the Liaison Committee under the able chairmanship of the then Deputy Speaker, Hon. Moses Cheboi. We still have a Liaison Committee. I hear Hon. Jack’s concerns that the Minority side might not be represented. When committees sit, they do not do so as majority or minority entities but as committees of the House. More importantly, the outcome of any committee’s report or work must end up in this plenary, where we are all present and where we represent the people on whose behalf we engage in the budget-making process. Therefore, I do not find anything wrong in the Liaison Committee, as currently constituted, handling both the BPS and, if necessary, the Supplementary Budget II. The Liaison Committee is well-placed to consider these matters. Hon. Wamboka asked whether the chairpersons of Departmental Committees will be considering their own budgets. It is true that they actually present their own budgets before the Budget and Appropriations Committee which weighs submissions from each Departmental Committee. When I chaired the Budget and Appropriations Committee, some chairpersons requested to sit in during the Committee’s deliberations to understand the ceilings they had and how resources were allocated across departments. Nothing stops any chairperson or a Member with an interest that they may want to engage in, like the BPS process, from seeking permission from the Member chairing to appear before the Liaison Committee. The Leader and Minority Party is not there but the Whip is there. As we indicated in the House Business Committee yesterday, we are completing the reconstitution of all committees and that is why you did not see me, Hon. Millie and Hon. Junet here this morning and part of yesterday evening. The Committee on Selection is due to sit on Thursday, 27th February 2025 afternoon at 4.00 p.m. Once that is done and the list of the reconstituted committees is approved by the House Business Committee, they will catch up on the finalisation of the Debt Management Strategy Paper, BPS, and the Supplementary Appropriations Bill. I re-assure Hon. Jack Wamboka that there is nothing to worry about. Any outcome will be returned to this plenary for approval. I believe Hon. Jack is satisfied now."
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"content": "In future, Hon. Wamboka, when you have a matter of that nature, as a matter of courtesy, approach the Chairperson or the Speaker in his Chambers so that we can deal with it. Hon. Milemba and the Leader of the Majority Party have partly addressed the issue, and it is not without precedent. On 16th February 2016, Hon. John Mbadi Ng’ong’o raised exactly the same point of order when there was a similar situation. The Speaker ruled that due to strict timelines in the budget-making process and with the existence of the Liaison Committee, it could step in and handle the matter. The House should not allow a vacuum to prevail. The Speaker directed the Liaison Committee, as it is now, to handle budget matters. This matter also came up in the House Business Committee yesterday. If you had consulted the Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Junet, you would know that the Committee unanimously agreed that in the interest of meeting constitutional timelines and considering the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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