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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support this Bill with amendments, as my brother has just mentioned, because I also wanted to say the same thing."
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"content": " Hon. Lillian Siyoi, today, we will go up to 9.00 O'clock. In fact, I am shocked you are not requesting for more time."
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"content": " If this country takes minerals seriously, we can reduce poverty levels. This country is not just rich in gold, but in many minerals. However, we have never been serious or taken the miners seriously. Currently, it is very expensive to buy gold in the market, but the miners remain very poor. The areas where this gold comes from are also very poor. One might even wonder why we have a mineral that is very expensive when it reaches the dealers, yet our own people who mine the gold continue to suffer. I would propose that because majority of miners have complained about licensing issues... While dealers receive their licences on time, miners are often the same or the process takes too long, forcing them to rely on intermediaries or brokers. This increases the level of poverty among miners in our country. This Bill focuses on gold, but I am concerned about other minerals as well. Should we have separate Bills for each mineral, or should we create a comprehensive mineral processing Bill that includes all minerals? This would ensure we maximise the benefits of minerals we have in this country. I support this Bill by Hon. Shinali with amendments to see if we can incorporate all the minerals. That will be very important for this country. Additionally, we have the Mineral Rights Board, which also serves a similar role equal to what we are discussing at the moment. I do not know how we are going to incorporate and work together with the board so as to combine what they have and what we have instead of having them differently. That is going to help us as a country. I support. Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Augustine Mwafrika. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Roysambu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kamande Mwafrika",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to the debate on this Bill. The Bill is a wake-up call to the Ministry of Mining. Given the contributions raised by Members of this House, one wonders whether there is such a state department in this country. This state department was established to provide leadership in the management of the extractive sector. The state department is housed in Transcom House within the Community area, but I wonder what it does. If I get time, maybe tomorrow or any other day, I will visit those offices to find out what their mission is. The mandate of the State Department for Mining includes policy development, inventory and mapping of mineral resources, and capacity building for effective management of programmes. However, it has failed this country totally. This Bill is seeking the establishment of a corporation to manage gold mining in this country. If this corporation is established, it will be domiciled in this department. The establishment of this department is long overdue. I would ask this state department to rise to the occasion and provide leadership within the mining sector. I support. Thank you"
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"content": " Proceed, Hon. Peter Lochakapong."
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"speaker_name": "Sigor, UDA",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. I rise to support this Bill, which comes at a time when we have too many issues in Kenya’s mining sector or generally mining. There is too much illegal mining going on, not only of gold but of other minerals, and there is a lot of exploitation of communities and locals due to their ignorance. I have gone through the Bill and I have not seen a provision for the local people and communities in terms of being licenced."
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"content": "The preliminaries of the Gold Processing Bill describe the term “gold processing” as collecting, purifying, smelting, fabricating, homogenising, sampling, registering, monitoring, and transporting gold or products of gold. To my understanding, collecting gold is buying gold. If somebody is given a licence by the corporation to buy or collect gold, what is the relationship between them and artisanal miners who have artisanal permits, and those who have formed cooperatives within the local communities? How do they come in? We will run the risk of licensing somebody to process gold, and then that person dictates to the communities that have gold. I wanted to make that observation in the preliminaries."
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"content": "Secondly, the object of the Act is to provide for licensing of exploration and exploitation of gold. Some of those provisions are in the Mining Act. The Bill goes ahead to state in Clause 4(2) that this Act shall prevail in the case of any inconsistency between this Act and any other legislation. That means that if there are any provisions that are inconsistent with the Mining Act, then the Gold Processing Bill will take precedence. We may easily run into conflicts because of that. Clause 5(1) states that a person shall not engage in the exploration and exploitation operations of gold without obtaining a permit in accordance with this Act. We know that the Mining Act has set the process of obtaining a mining licence. Since gold is a mineral, it is covered under that Act. We have to look at that."
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"content": "On the functions of the Corporation in Clause 8, I am interested in what it will collect in terms of gold or products of gold. My problem is whether the collecting refers to getting gold from the miners, and whether those miners are locals, cooperatives, or people who are licenced by the county governments with artisanal permits. What is their relationship with the corporation? Clause 11(h) states that the Board of the Corporation shall comprise of one person with relevant qualifications or experience in matters relating to mining, geology, geophysics, or engineering nominated in writing by the Council of Governors. Earlier this afternoon, we were talking about how governors want to take everything. They even want to nominate a person to the Board of the Corporation. I would suggest that whereas we could agree to that, we should add a provision that the person appointed by the Council of Governors should be from a gold- The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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