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"content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): What is it, Sen. Farhiya?"
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to seek clarification. I do not know whether Standing Orders allow us ask especially while Sen. M. Kajwang’ is still on the Floor so that it is captured in the HANSARD; in terms of the researcher, is there a specific recommendation to this Bill that we can improve, which I beg you to either sponsor or let me have because I think we need to move it to the next level? Thank you."
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"content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Okay."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the researcher proposes a Public Officer Lifestyle and Wealth Audit Bill. He proposes that the Bill should not just address lifestyle audit, but the issue of wealth declaration so that we tighten it, make it practical and remove the anonymity that goes with it. I believe that in his report, the recommendations will be there. I had earlier offered to hand over the report to you, so that you can see what people in the intellectual community have to say around this issue."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was on the point that certain conversations are ongoing at the Strathmore University, where the question is: why do policies fail in Kenya? Why is it that the town plan of Kuala Lumpur was based on the plan of Kenya’s capital city, yet Nairobi is a mess? Why is it that Singapore based a number of their policies on Kenya’s policies, back in the 1960s, yet Kenya is stuck? Why is it that the Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) is thriving, yet it was based on the Kenya Meat Commission (KMC) which is stuck? Why is it that in certain South American countries such as Costa Rica, their coffee sector was based on the Kenyan coffee plan, yet the Kenyan coffee plan is failing? The question is: Do we have an issue with implementation or poor policy design?"
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"content": "It is emerging that sometimes we design policies and legislation in a manner in which implementation becomes impossible and troublesome. I believe that Sen. Farhiya has done a lot of consultation. This issue has attracted a lot of interest from Members in this House. When we legislate on this Bill, let us have a tool that will be effectively used to fight corruption. Let us not have a tool that will be weaponized. Let us not have another toll station that beyond the usual Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) officers, you have an additional process of lifestyle audit. In the additional process, the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) has been given powers to conduct lifestyle audits. The Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) is also conducting lifestyle audits now."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I hope that the final version of this Bill will clarify and simplify that process by reducing the toll stations that are involved in the fight against corruption. Nowadays, if they want to fix you depending on your political views or activism, you can have a lot of people knocking on your door. There will be an investigative agency after you every other day, drawing its mandate from certain laws that Parliament has passed. When a Member of Parliament (MP) is on the spot, he will be reminded at every turn that they are the ones who passed the laws and so, they must apply."
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"content": "We should find a way of using technology to assess lifestyle. The KRA has invested in a data warehouse out of which they are doing serious business intelligence. They are linking up with utility companies and all sorts of transaction providers in the economy. They are able to tell the kind of financial activities that you are undertaking. The only question is whether it is strictly legal. The other question is whether within the KRA Act and the statutes that establish the KRA they have the power to do that investigation and use that information to pursue people in a manner that seeks to be investigatory, prosecutorial and judging."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, out of that information, the KRA is known to issue demands to individuals and businesses. If you go to tax tribunals to dispute the demands that are sometimes made by the KRA officials, you come out worse off. Today, Keroche Breweries Limited has suffered a Kshs9.1 billion tax blow. I sometimes wonder whether some of the institutions that we have put in place are facilitating business or whether in their thirst to achieve targets they are frustrating businesses."
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