31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
Members, you are all advised to proceed to the Clerkâs Table, so that we can have all the Bills which are before us. These Bills are published and they are official records and any Kenyan can get them. You
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
Thank you, hon. Ngâongo for your contribution, but referring to the Standing Orders, I want you to look at Standing Order No.85. Standing Order No.85(1) says that:- â(1) It shall be out of order to anticipate the debate of a Bill which has been published as such in the Gazette by discussion upon a substantive Motion or an amendment, or by raising the subject matter of the Bill upon a Motion for the adjournment of the House. (3) In determining whether a debate is out of order on the grounds of anticipation, regard shall be to the probability of the ...
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
This Bill has been published in the gazette and so, it falls within sub-section 1. I am informed by hon. Chanzu, whose information is correct, that the issues that are being canvassed in the Motion will be the issues in that Bill. So, in terms of probability that the matter will be before the House, I see there is a lot of probability that this matter will be before the House. So, as I invite only two interventions with that direction from the Chair, how does Abdikadir want to intervene?
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
Are you able to direct yourself to the Standing Order which I have just read?
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
Hon. Abdikadir, I want the Members to help themselves by understanding the Standing Orders and how we proceed. This matter is properly before the Departmental Committee. That is how it reached the level of the Bill and that is how it was published. So, it is properly before the House, but that notwithstanding, the Standing Order does not talk about before the House. It says a Bill which has been published as such in the Gazette . This Bill has been published as such in the Gazette . So, we do not want to make decisions from the Chair. I ...
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
Well, unless we appreciate the English differently, my Standing Orders state clearly that it will be out of order to anticipate debate of a Bill. That Bill is the Wildlife Management and Compensation Bill, 2013 and it has been published in the Gazette. So, my understanding of a clear reading of that Standing Order squarely fits into what the Standing Order anticipates. We do not want to take too long on this matter, hon. Chachu. Are you the Chairman of this Committee?
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
We understand you. Today gives us an opportunity to understand that Standing Order and appreciate it. There is nothing about First Reading. I do not see any First Reading in this Standing Order. What I see is a Bill which has been published in the Gazette.
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
No! We want to get this out of the way. Hon. Lati Lelit!
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
Thank you very much. Resume your seat. We are taking too much on this issue. This is the way we will go and this will be the ruling of the Chair: I cannot see the Mover of the Motion and this being a Motion of a Member which cannot be disposed of unless it is withdrawn or debated, I hereby order that debate will continue notwithstanding the fact that you will repeat yourself when the Bill comes before the House. It is your time and you are Members of the National Assembly. Let us go back to the request list. ...
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31 Jul 2013 in National Assembly:
There is a Member called Alice who had an amendment. She is not here? Members, we need to be more serious about how we transact business in this House. I am getting concerned because you have approached me because of your amendment and you are now not here to prosecute your amendment. Okay. We will go on with the debate. Lelelit Lati.
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