19 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, just like you have struggled to get visibility on that affidavit, I am looking at the soft copies here, and I cannot find it. It is such a material submission that it would make sense for us to proceed until and unless we can confirm that we have it.
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19 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it would be academic for us to proceed in the manner that has been suggested by the counsel for the County Assembly. We cannot listen to the submissions and entertain the interrogation if we do not have visibility of the documents or records. We are the judges in this matter. We are not the spectators. I know there is a past impeachment proceeding where we found ourselves in such a situation where a witness had been summoned and the documents had not been availed to Members of the Senate. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard ...
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19 Aug 2024 in Senate:
The Speaker sitting where you are sitting made a ruling that we could proceed with the next witness, and if we do not have the next witness, then the House could consider listening to the testimony of the witness tomorrow in the morning, when all Members are able to be seized of the records or the substance that he wants to use to convince the Senate. Therefore, let us not do an academic exercise.
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19 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I want to be very direct and go to the exhibit that was submitted by the County Assembly. On page 353 of volume two, you took us there to demonstratethat the wage bill grew by Kshs500 million from Kshs4.4 billion to Kshs4.9 billion. Did the County Assembly approve the Kshs4.9 billion budget or was the Kshs500 million, excess expenditure over and above what the County Assembly approved? Number two; on page 375 of volume two, you have a schedule there showing the transfers that were made to the various entities. These entities include the ...
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8 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Madam Temporary Speaker, the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee will reply on my behalf.
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8 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to support the Bill that has been sponsored by the Senate Majority Leader. In the last Parliament, I had the privilege of serving as the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. These matters came before my chair, and, indeed, we brought in a legislative proposal before this House. However, it was too close to the elections, about a month or two to the elections. At that point in time, the Intergovernmental Relations Technical Committee (IGRTC), which we want to rename as the Intergovernmental Relations Agency, wanted to be a commission. We ...
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8 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Devolution is not just about counties, because sometimes we think that when you talk devolution, it is just about counties. Devolution is a balance of power between the subsidiary units and the national Government unit. When you are talking about devolution, you cannot talk about counties at the expense of the national Government. That is the reason why there was a need to have this coordinating mechanism, which was given effect by the Intergovernmental Relations Act. In the last Parliament, I looked at the Intergovernmental Relations Act. It is an Act of Parliament that needs further amendments beyond what we ...
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8 Aug 2024 in Senate:
The Auditor General generates a lot of reports, but many of them can be summarised into probably 20 issues. We brought the first Fiduciary Risks Report to this House, and amongst the recommendations that were adopted by the House was, all contributions that were made to the COG were nugatory, illegal, and, therefore, the CEOs should be surcharged for that contribution. What did the Council of Governors do? They set up a fund to take the Senate to court. I am glad that along the way they found that it was a futile move and stopped that pursuit, even though ...
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8 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, I was with Sen. Ledama Olekina in drafting the fiduciary risk report I have referred to. It has his footprints all over and I remember we spent a lot of time with him in retreats and report writing. It is a report that my Committee hopes to bring back to the House. We pointed out that illegality. It is for that reason that the House adopted our report and said that those contributions were irregular. They were irregularities and illegalities by drawing money from county revenue funds rather than the Consolidated Fund, which statute requires ...
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8 Aug 2024 in Senate:
Madam Temporary Speaker, the IGRTC has a lot of work to do as far as assets and liabilities are concerned. This job was started during Kinuthia Wamwangi’s time and it is still stuck. Counties have done verification of assets and liabilities but the IGRTC has not concluded this report. That is why I wonder, if we make them an agency, are they going to move faster than they were moving when they were a technical committee? Costing of functions and transfer of functions; moving too slow. Nowadays we are just bandying figures around what counties should get but we are ...
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