Simon Lesirma

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• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, once more, I seek your indulgence to postpone this Question to the second round. view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I had dealt with this Question last week and it was agreed that I do further consultations with the Ministry of Agriculture, the Nyayo Tea Zones corporations and the Provincial Administration and I can now confirm with regret that I have not been able to confirm whether or not the former employees referred to were paid 25 years ago since the records cannot be traced. So, we are not able to know whether they were paid or not paid. This is a matter that was being implemented by the Provincial Administration from 1986 to 1990. The ... view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is nothing the Ministry can do because we are not able to confirm whether these employees did actually work. Just looking at the registers, even the names that are referred to do not tally with the ones in the identity cards! view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: That may be so but we do not have payment vouchers or registers going back to those years. Indeed, over the last several months--- view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would have thought that when the corporation was formed in 1986 the matter of assets and liabilities would have been handed over to the Nyayo Tea Zones. Last week I undertook to refer this Question to the Ministry of Agriculture but in the spirit of collective responsibility and in view of the fact that the supervision of these casuals at that time was under the Provincial Administration, I undertook to go back and consult them. So, the answer I have right now is that we do not have records and I am not able to assist ... view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Moreover, in September, 2005 there was a request from another group which was claiming Kshs2 million. In 2006 another group of 900 casuals were putting up a claim of Kshs50 million. In March, 2006 another group of 855 casuals also claimed Kshs45 million. So, it appears that a number of groups are emerging trying to put up claims for work they did as casuals 25 years ago. I am aware that the hon. Member is simply concerned about three members. From the point of view of my Ministry, I am not able to assist because under Government regulations, these records ... view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. This Question came to the House last week and I tabled documents to show that this matter is alive in court and, therefore, sub judice . You did rule--- view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the list I have is from the various representatives of people who claim to represent former employees of Nyayo Tea Zones. They have written to us and to the President. When you check in those lists, you find those names there but the identity cards are different. Even if the identity cards were there, it would be very difficult to confirm because those registers do not indicate whether they worked or not. So, this is a very difficult exercise. There are thousands who are listed. view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not want to defend the Nyayo Tea Zones and those who were responsible at that time, but when you look at the acreage they claim to have worked on, it is excessive. The total area cleared during that time was 4,226 hectares. Even the whole question of reconcilliation of records is something that requires to be done. I would appeal that this matter requires more time and should be referred to Nyayo Tea Zones to examine it in detail. The time I was given was two weeks. I also do not have proof that ... view
• 15 Jun 2011 in National Assembly: Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am unable to explain. I tried to contact both the Permanent Secretary and the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government without success. So, I can only convey the message. Perhaps, this Question could be deferred to tomorrow afternoon or Tuesday next week. view