Hon. Members, I wish to introduce to you and welcome this afternoon a delegation from the Parliament of South Africa which is seated at the Speaker’s Row. They are on a study visit to explore the capacity of the Kenya National Assembly in the Budget-making process. They are:- 1. Hon. M.J. Mahlangu, M.P. – Chairperson of the National Council of Provinces and Leader of Delegation 2. Hon. A.M. Sogoni, M.P. – Chairperson, Standing Committee on Appropriation 3. Hon. S.S. Mazosiwe, M.P. – Member of Parliament, National Council of Provinces 4. Hon. C.J. De Beer, M.P. – Chairperson, Select Committee on Finance. 5. Hon. R. Mashigo, M.P. – Member of Parliament, Standing Committee on Appropriation. 6. Hon. D.D. Van Rooyen, M.P. – Member of Parliament, Standing Committee on Finance. 7. Hon. M. Swart, M.P. – Member of Parliament, National Assembly Democratic Alliance. 8. Hon. M.W. Makhubela, M.P. – Member of Parliament, National Council of Provinces (ANC). 9. Hon. S.N. Swart, M.P. – Member of Parliament, National Assembly (ACDP) Hon. Members, they are accompanied by eight members of staff. On behalf of the House and on my own behalf, I wish the delegation a fruitful and happy stay in Kenya.
Hon. Members, I further wish to introduce to you and welcome this afternoon a delegation from the Parliament of Malawi which is seated at the Speaker’s Row. They are on a study visit to learn on Parliamentary Committee operations. They are:- 1. Hon. J. Zingale, M.P. – Chair, Transport Committee. 2. Hon. F.E Vyazyi, M.P. – Chair, Education Committee.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Minister for Foreign Affairs the following Question by Private Notice. (a) Could the Minister explain why Kenyan fishermen residing in Migingo Island in Lake Victoria are harassed by Ugandan Security Forces? (b) Could he state whether the Joint Boundary Survey commissioned by the Kenyan and Ugandan Governments was completed and, if so, to provide the report to the House? (c) Could the Minister also explain the steps the Government has taken to implement the resolution passed in the House urging the Government to use all possible means available to reclaim the island, including registering the dispute with the United Nations Security Council?
Is anyone from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here? We will revisit that Question a little later. The Minister does not seem to be here yet. Let us move on to the next Question.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to bring it to your notice that I filed this Question about ten days ago. MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS AT MWENDA ANDU SECONDARY SCHOOL
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg ask the Minister for Education the following Question by Private Notice. (a) Is the Minister is aware that the Principal of Mwenda Andu Secondary School in Kinangop has, in collusion with some Board Members, misappropriated Kshs500,000 belonging to the school? (b) What action has the Minister taken against the persons involved?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, indeed, we received the notice only this weekend although the Member of Parliament filed the Question ten days ago. I got the intimation and we have already instructed our people to get the information. You will appreciate that this information involves a non- member of Government and it is, therefore, very difficult to give him an order to furnish us with the information. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I seek your indulgence to answer this Question later on.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I need another week and we shall be back on the Floor.
The Member for Kinangop, the Minister is still assembling his information.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I spoke to the Minister about 12 days ago. I even gave him a copy of the Question that I filed. It will only take the Minister a phone call to find out what the problem is in Kinangop. Somebody has
Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me assure the Member for Kinangop that I have no intention whatsoever to shield anybody who is involved in malpractices. I will take every step to find the truth. In fact, when the Member spoke to me, I spoke to the Provincial Director of Education in Central Province. I explained to him the nature of the problem. I have also spoken to the Quality Assurance Officer and instructed him to do an inspection. So, when I come to this House, I speak from a well informed position. This is because this is an allegation of misappropriation of funds.
Very well. The Member for Kinangop, as much as I understand that this is an urgent Question by its nature, I think it is necessary that you allow the Minister adequate time to assemble all the information that you require so that you will be satisfied by the answer given. I will, therefore, defer the Question to Tuesday, next week at 2.30 p.m.
) to ask the Minister for Medical Services:- (a) Could the Minister explain the inordinate delay in submitting Reports for Assessment of Persons with Disabilities to the National Council for Persons with Disabilities, which has not been done since June, 2010? (b) What measures has the Minister put in place to ensure that Medical Board Reports for Persons with Disabilities are forwarded to the National Council for Persons with Disabilities to enable them apply for tax exemption in accordance with the law?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, Dr. Kones is not in and I would like to ask this question on his behalf.
Order! Mr. Lang’at, this is a Question by Private Notice. By our practice, Questions by Private Notice are so restrictive as to who raises the Question. It has to be the Questioner himself, before the House then takes over the Question. That has been our practice over the years and I do not think it is the right time to change it. Maybe because the Member for Konoin was not aware that that is a long established practice, I will defer the Question to Wednesday, next week.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security the following Question by Private Notice.
Will the Deputy Leader of Government Business find out what is happening to the Minister? We will revert to the Question a little later.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Order, the Member for Gwassi! Mr. Speaker is, of course, very much aware that the Assistant Minister has just walked in. Proceed, Member for Rarieda!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to seek the indulgence of the Chair on this Question. The crux of this Question lies in parts (a) and (b) which call for a comprehensive list of employees and an organogram for the organization. Up to now, I have not seen any of that. It is, therefore, not possible for me to study or build supplementary questions. I, therefore, request that the Chair directs that the Minister gives me that information so that I can look at it for the next two days and then I ask the Question on Thursday.
Mr. Minister for Transport, what is your response to that?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Member has asked me to table the documents and I can only table them in the House. I cannot table the documents in his office. So, I have come to table the documents and he is at liberty to then review the documents at his own time. So, Mr. Speaker, Sir, can I proceed to answer the Question as requested?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Order, the Member for Rarieda! Please, relax. We do not have to get very passionate about this. I know it is an important matter and that it is a Question by Private Notice and, therefore, giving very limited time to the Minister. However, it may be preferable that the Minister answers the Question, supplies you with a copy of the answer and thereafter we will defer the Question so that you have adequate time to interrogate the answer as will be given. I think that will be fine.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I appreciate your direction on this matter. However, I believe that this House is entitled to facts. I find the Minister out of order because he is referring to part “a” of the Question and yet the hon. Member referred to part “b” of the Question which states: “Could the Minister also provide a comprehensive/detailed organogram?” “Providing” is not tabling. The Minister was referring to part “a” of the Question and yet the Member for Rarieda was referring to part “b”, which is about the organogram.
Order! The Member for Rarieda, can you proceed and ask the Question?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Minister for Transport the following Question by Private Notice. (a) Could the Minister table before the House a list of all employees (excluding the casuals) of the Kenya Airports Authority( KAA) categorized into stations indicating their respective names, dates of birth, dates of first employment by KAA, academic/professional qualifications, job group/rank, department and home district? (b) Could the Minister also provide a comprehensive/detailed organogram of the Kenya Airports Authority? (c) What steps is the Minister taking to ensure equity and regional balance in employment at the Authority?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply. (a) I hereby table a list of all the 1,417 employees (excluding the casuals) of the Kenya Airports Authority (KAA) as requested. (b) I also table an organogram of the KAA as requested. (c) In order to achieve equity and regional balance, the management of the KAA is ensuring equal opportunities for all. All vacancies are filled competitively with emphasis on merit and ensuring that candidates are not discriminated on account of their regions of origin. The KAA will review the recruitment process to ensure that it is in tandem with the requirements of the new Constitution.
The Member for Rarieda, do you still maintain your position that you want time to study this answer?
Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir. There is actually a lot of interest on this question and I request that I look at the information that the Minister has provided first so that I can be able to field the supplementary questions and also share it with my colleagues.
That is legitimate. In those circumstances Mr. Minister, we will defer this Question to Thursday at 2.30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Minister for Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs the following Question by Private Notice. (a) Under what circumstances did the Kenya School of Law/Council for Legal Education release two different Pre-Bar Examination results, on 22nd October, 2010 and 3rd November, 2010, for the same candidates? (b) Could the Minister table the two sets of examination results? (c) Could the minister confirm that the candidates listed as having passed in the list dated 22.10.1010 will attend classes in January, 2011?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to seek the indulgence of the Chair to have this Question answered later on. The answer I have is not adequate. I have talked to my colleague and agreed to bring the answer to this Question on Thursday, next week if it would be okay with the Chair.
The Member for Yatta, is that the correct position?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the day after tomorrow will be fine with me.
Very well! It is directed that the Question appears on the Oder Paper on Thursday at 2.30 p.m.!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security the following Question by Private Notice. (a) Is the Minister aware that business in Migori Municipality was grossly interrupted on 19th November, 2010, following the blocking of Kisii- Migori- Isibania Road by “boda boda” operators, who were protesting against a local Base Commander for soliciting for bribes from them? (b) Could the Minister confirm or deny that the said Base Commander was transferred to Migori on disciplinary grounds? (c) What immediate steps is the Ministry taking to stop the harassment of youths and how prepared is the Police Department to engage in educating the “bodaboda” and motorcycle operators in Migori Constituency on exposure to committing offences?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me apologize for not being in the House when the Question was called out for the first time. I beg to reply. (a) I am aware that business in Migori Municipality was grossly interrupted on 19th November, 2010 following the blocking of Kisii-Migori-Isibania Road by bodaboda operators. However, the demonstrators were complaining against arrest and consequent heavy fines awarded by the Migori Senior Principal Magistrate’s Court for breach of various traffic offenses and regulations. (b) It is not true that the Base Commander was transferred to Migori on disciplinary grounds. Mr. Christopher Kimiti was transferred to Migori on 20th October, 2010 alongside 201 other officers who were also affected by the national mass transfers. Transfers within the police are not based on disciplinary grounds but according to laid down procedures and regulations as per the Force Standing Orders.
Order, hon. Members! Let us hear the Assistant Minister! The Member for Kamukunji and the Member for Kuresoi, you know the rules.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Assistant Minister has said that the boda boda operators were rioting because of the heavy fines that they get. This actually defeats my thinking capacity because if they were rioting because of the heavy fines, why did they not go and riot around the courts which fine them? Why did they riot around the police station where the Base Commander was?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the boda boda operators were rioting as a result of arrests being made by the police officers. We have lost ten lives in the last six months and over 90 people have so far been maimed as a result of the motor cycle accidents in Migori alone. We will sensitize motorists and cycle operators in order for them to know what is required of them. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the following have also been arrested and charged as a result of using defective motorcycles and/or not registering and insuring them. We have Jackson Omolo who was arrested and fined under Court File No.664. There is Tobias Okinyi who was fined, Court No.667/210. We also have Andrew Okeyo who was fined under File No.668. We also have Walter Otieno who was fined under File No.671. We also have George Saitoti---
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The list seems to be very long. Could the Assistant Minister table the list so that the Questioner could look at it?
How far are you, Mr. Ojode?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have not mentioned that the list is long. The last one is John Makori who was also fined under File No.669/2010. We urge the ordinary wananchi who operate motorcycles to know their rights and what is required of them in order to avoid accidents.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, this problem is not just restricted to Migori alone. It applies to many other parts in the country including Kakamega and even Mombasa. The gist of the matter is that traffic police own matatus and motorcycles. So, they scare away the boys who compete with them so that they can maximize on business. What has the Assistant Minister done to ensure that traffic police do not own matatus and boda bodas and in the process harass wananchi?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the new Constitution has categorically stated that those who work within a department are not supposed to have businesses. That is the bone of contention. As at now, we have instructed the Police Commission to ensure that no police officer should have a motor cycle or be in business to compete with ordinary Kenyans. If they contravene that Force Standing Order, then the law will catch up with them.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, last week my people from Kinangop who bring potatoes to Wakulima Market had to go and protest because of bribery at Njabini, Haraka and Magumu Centres. When they protested, the police brought breakdowns from Lari and impounded their vehicles. Could the Assistant Minister assure this House that cases where wananchi complain because of being forced to give bribes will stop? Could he also assure the people of Kinangop that their impounded vehicles will be released?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, on bribery, I have said in this House many times that I need some evidence. I need the names of those who take bribes. It should also be known that those who give bribes and the takers commit an offence. I will discipline the police officers who take bribes immediately if I get their names. However, we should guard against wholesale condemnation against a police officer who wants to crack down on unroadworthy vehicles. I think it is better for us to support the police in order for them to mop up the unroadworthy vehicles without coming up with the issue of bribes.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Assistant Minister has not assured this House and the people of Kinangop that the vehicles that were impounded will be released. Meanwhile, tomorrow I will get him the names so that he can charge those police officers.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would want to challenge my colleague; I want to know the names of those who took the bribes. In the same vein, I would also want to know those who were giving the bribes to the police officers. If I can get the names, let me say here that I will take action. I do not depend on rumors. Let us have the names and I will take action.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Assistant Minister must know or he ought to know that the boda boda industry in this country is one of the biggest employers of young people. He also ought to know that the Ministry of Transport recently put up a task force to look at the boda boda transport industry and how the Traffic Act can be amended. Before the Traffic Act is amended to include the new offences that are now coming up on our roads, how then are you having the boda boda operators arrested and charged with non-existent charges under the Traffic Act?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, those boda boda operators were arrested because they had defective motorcycles. They also did not have the reflective jackets as is required of them. They had no helmets, which is also mandatory and thirdly, they were arrested because they had not insured their motorcycles. So, although we are working together with the Ministry of Transport to harmonize some of these laws, once the gazettement is done, some of these cases will be a thing of the past.
Mr. Speaker, Sir about two weeks ago, this matter was before this House again and I did indicate to the Minister that in Kitale, we have traffic police officers who are demanding Kshs50 from every boda boda cyclist. I did also indicate that there are officers who are using all means, including assaulting bodaboda cyclists who are running away, throwing objects at them and injuring them in order to accost them and take money from them. What are you doing to investigate these allegations to make sure that you control these rogue officers?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I said that if I am given the names of those who are taking Kshs50 as a bribe, we shall take action. Nevertheless, we are going to investigate this matter. I have also said that police officers must have name tags with them. In fact, I am also introducing photographs so that we know who is taking bribes and who is not taking bribes. So, we are investigating the matter and once the report comes out, I will discipline those officers. In fact, they should not even be in the force. Some of them should be dismissed forthwith! So, if I can get the names of those officers or if the report vilifies them, I will definitely take action.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the Assistant Minister to blow hot and cold over this issue? He has said that we should bring him names at the same time he is saying that he is going to investigate. Are you going to wait for hon. Members to bring you names or are you going to investigate and take action against those officers?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, he was very specific to some police officers taking bribes. Although I am investigating, he can also assist us. He can aid us by giving me the names of those officers who it is being alleged are taking bribes. My work would be so easy and I will take action immediately.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have been to many public barazas which his party leader has addressed. I have been to others where my own party leader has been addressing the youth and in those functions, they engage the boda boda cyclists .
Mr. Speaker, Sir, our Ministry and that of Transport have generated some kind of policy which we are going to use to train the youth and to sensitize them on the need to use their motorcycles without being injured.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Assistant Minister has insisted in this House that this base commander was transferred to Migori as a normal transfer. Can he confirm or deny to this House that the people of Oyugis rioted against this base commander before he was transferred to Migori?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I emphatically deny.
Very well! The honorable Member for Cherangany is not in!
The honorable Member for Bura!
As for hon. Musikari Kombo, we have information that he is out of the country on official parliamentary Business. So, I will defer this Question to Thursday next week at 2.30 p.m.
Member for Ndaragwa!
asked the Minister for Co-operative Development and Marketing to explain why the Kenya Co-operative Creameries (KCC) retrenches have not been paid their dues even after a court order on the same was issued.
Is the Minister for Co-operative Development and Marketing not here? Deputy Leader of Government Business, what is happening to your Minister?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was expecting him to be here. Perhaps we could defer this Question until towards the end for me to establish the status.
Fair enough! We will defer the Question and return to it a little later. The honorable Member for Limuru!
Hon. Members, on Question No. 535, I have information that the hon. Member for Limuru is away on official parliamentary Business and that the Attorney-General is, similarly, away attending to Government Business. So, I will defer Question No. 535 to Wednesday next week at 2.30 p.m.
The honorable Member for Gichugu!
asked the Minister for Forestry and Wildlife:- (a) to clarify whether he is aware that the Marine Park at Malindi has been transferred to a private company; and, (b) what he is doing to ensure that the same is reverted to the public.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply. (a) The Marine Parks at Malindi have not been transferred to a private company. There are two parks in Malindi, namely, Malindi and Watamu Marine National Parks. The two occupy an area of six and 10 square kilometers of land and sea respectively. Since their gazettement in 1968, they have been under the management of the relevant bodies mandated to conserve wildlife in Kenya and, currently, that body is the Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS). (b) Malindi Marine Park, therefore, remains under the custody of my Ministry on behalf of the Kenyan public.
You may proceed, honorable Member for Gichugu!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, while I may need to verify the document that has been tabled, I want to state here categorically that there are two parks in Malindi. As I have said, they are intact. We have another two reserves, namely Watamu Marine National Reserve and Malindi/Watamu Marine National Reserve. The Malindi/Watamu Marine National Park is under boundary plot No.204/39, and was gazetted under legal notice No.98 of 26th June, 1968. Watamu Marine Park is No.204/43, also gazzetted under Legal Notice No.98 of 26th June, 1968. However, the KWS has other eight plots outside the gazzetted national parks, and the specific plot the hon. Member may be referring to is Plot No.1204, which has an area of 3.8 acres and is leased to Keniaku Limited for a term of 25 years, beginning 1st April, 2010 for the purpose of constructing a tourist facility.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Going by the records which Ms. Karua has tabled, and which the Assistant Minister has not doubted at all, would it be in order for the Assistant Minister to ask for more time to look at the documents which have been tabled so that he can bring a more comprehensive answer to the House? If the documents tabled here are correct, then clearly there is a fraud committed by the Ministry.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, while I would appreciate more time to look at that document, the two national parks in Malindi under the KWS are protected. But we have eight other plots that are not within the national parks, and some of them are under a lease agreement. If that is what the document refers to, then it possibly could be. Let me have time to peruse this document then I will respond.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Assistant Minister has not had time to look at the document. Instead of speculating, he could save the House time by looking at it or deferring the Question until he has familiarized himself with the document.
Mr. Assistant Minister, perhaps we will give you a few minutes and we come back to it.
Order, Member for Gichugu. Allow the Assistant Minister just a few minutes to peruse the document. Very well. We will come back to the Question. If the Assistant Minister will not have had adequate time to peruse it, then we will defer it altogether. Next Question.
asked the Minister for Roads:- (a) to explain why the newly constructed roads, stretching from Mombasa Road Junction at Chumvi Market to Machakos Town and Kaseve Market have not been marked, hence causing several accidents; and, (b) to state when the roads will be marked.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply. (a) The Makutano/Machakos/Masii Road is classified as C97 and is approximately 63 kilometres. Due to increased quantities of works, the project was terminated at Kaseve since the funds that were available had been exhausted. The project was to cover up to Masii Town. (b) A total of Kshs53,730,000 has been allocated through the Kenya Roads Board surplus fund to fund the road markings. Advertisement for the works is to be done by the end of November, that is this week, and procurement will be complete before January.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the Assistant Minister for that answer. The Assistant Minister said that the Ministry lacks funds for marking the roads between Chumvi and Machakos Town and that has caused a lot of accidents and deaths due to poor visibility, especially during the night. Could the Assistant Minister not use the emergency funds to do the markings?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I appreciate the concern by the hon. Member. But as I have said here, it is not that the Ministry lacks the funds. The true position is that we had to go through the normal procurement process and that is what we have started. By the end of January, we expect to be through with that. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also want to assure the hon. Member that other than the road markings that are in question here, we also realized that the road will require more repairs to ensure that it is user friendly, and that more accidents are avoided in future. All this will be incorporated as we start the works.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, a lot of accidents have been happening on Kenyan roads because of lack of markings. We have this road which has been under construction for three years. The road runs from Athi River through Mlolongo to the airport, Cabanas Junction. Recently, we lost one of our top producers in the KBC, Mr. Isaac Baru, because of lack of markings on this road. When will the Assistant Minister mark this road so that we do not have more accidents on the Embakasi Mlolongo Road?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I appreciate the concern by the hon. Member, but also wish to state here that our biggest concern as a Ministry is that even when the road has been completed and all the road markings have been put, especially the road markings that are made of iron and metal, most of them are vandalized even before the first year is over. We are in the process of looking for more innovative material that we can use for road markings to ensure that the vandalism that we have experienced in the past is done away with. On most of our major highways, the rail guards that are supposed to protect vehicles from going off the road to avoid accidents have been stolen, thereby posing a major danger to the pedestrians and also motorists. I also want to assure the hon. Member that the road in question is under construction and the contractor is under clear instructions to ensure that they maintain the road and also the diversion during the period of contract.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Assistant Minister for responding to previous Questions on bumps. Could he, as matter of urgency, consider
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am aware of the section of the road which the hon. Member is referring to. It is the section called Kikopey on your way to Naivasha. That section is under construction. As soon as we complete the construction, we will be able to put the markings.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, with the admission by the Assistant Minister that this road is currently not marked, could he consider compensating the motor vehicle owners whose vehicles have been involved in unnecessary accidents, and those people who have also been critically injured and are admitted in hospital as a result of the negligence by the Ministry?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is an entirely different matter and, indeed, it is the responsibility of the motorists to ensure that they are safe on the roads. They should also ensure that the other road users are equally safe as they use those roads.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, could the Assistant Minister clarify whether road markings were not part of the original contract and that work was given to another contractor.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I indicated, the original contract for Mombasa Road to Chumvi Market, all the way to Machakos Town included road markings. But because of the cost overruns, it was not possible for us to include that. Therefore, the contract was terminated because the funds were not enough to go up to the completion stage. But I have also indicated that my Ministry has set aside a total of Kshs57,730,000 specifically for that purpose. Indeed, that will be done before January.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, along the same road that was done four years ago, there is a major bridge which was freshly constructed. But it has now started collapsing at Mulongoni River. What action is he going to take against the contractor who did the shoddy job because the road may be cut off any time?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, my Ministry is not aware of the situation concerning that particular bridge which the hon. Member is referring to. However, I wish to assure the House that we will send our technical team and we will get the appropriate report. If it is found that the contractor did a shoddy job, we will also take the necessary action.
asked the Minister for Transport:- (a) whether, he is aware that China Overseas Engineering Company Ltd, the company contracted to repair Kisumu International Airport, has done a shoddy job on the runway that is partly being used at the moment and that the various materials being used for the construction are of inferior quality; (b) why the contractor has used bitumen in the construction of the apron instead of cement concrete, as originally designed; and, (c) what measures he will take to ensure that the construction is done to international standards.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am so surprised to learn that the Minister is not aware that Kisumu Airport runway is so rough when the planes are taking off and landing and yet, he was there a few days ago. What has he done so far to go and establish my allegations?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, indeed, I have been to the airport twice in the last one month and we need to appreciate that the airport is under construction. The runway is under construction but some parts have been put aside for use because we cannot close out our business and cut all the people from using the airport. So, whatever is happening--- What is being used is still “work in progress” and when the airport is fully complete, the roughness and all that will end. As of now, I believe that the people of Kisumu want to continue traveling as we are constructing the airport.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to know from the Minister when the construction of the airport will be completed.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the first phase of the airport was expected to be completed by the end of this year; that is the runway, the aprons and the first terminal building. There has been some delay partly on the terminal building construction due to the roof which had to be imported. Some of the works have been interfered with by the weather but we are still on schedule and we should be having the first phase of that airport done. I am quoting the first phase because there are still some more works to come up in the future; the cargo depot and the mall spaces but for the first phase, we should be assessing that progress come the end of the year to see whether we are through with it or not.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is true that the Minister toured Kisumu Airport recently in the company of myself, Mr. Shakeel, senior officers from the Kenya Airports Authority (KAA) and from the Ministry. But the issues which are raised by Mr. Ochieng are very serious. I would not wish these matters to be dealt with after the alleged completion of the construction. I am aware that the Departmental Committee of the House can take up this issue and look at it more thoroughly. I wish to ask the Minister to allow this matter to be looked into by the Departmental Committee of the House so that where there are any shortfalls in respect of design and construction, we can detect them early and take action.
Mr. Minister, do you have anything to say to that?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, indeed, we visited the airport with the two hon. Members from Kisumu Town, East and West and my colleague, Prof. Anyang’- Nyong’o and the Mayor. We were all very happy with the progress! It is important that we understand two things. The question was that we are doing the aprons with asphalt. The aprons are being done using concrete and between concrete and asphalt, the difference is as clear as day and night. So, I would like to appeal to Mr. Ochieng,
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Minister has not been very accurate in answering Part (b) of my Question. On the apron, as constructed now, it is just at the centre which has concrete cement. All round the sides, it has been constructed using asphalt. Can he confirm whether that conforms to the international standards he is talking about because that is an international airport?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the airport has three components: There is the airstrip which has both concrete and asphalt. There is the taxiway which basically links the runway to the apron and which is asphalt and then there is the parking area. The apron is the parking area which is concrete. I have been there and I have looked at that---
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Mr. Speaker, Sir---
Order, Member for Nyakach! I have not allowed you as yet! Minister, please, proceed!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to request that the hon. Member appreciates, like I said, the airport is still under construction. You may walk one day and find they have put the base. The next day when they do the finishes, it is different. However, there are consultants who are looking at every material being used on a day to day basis.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
What is it, Member for Nyakach?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, although I am not an engineer, what I am talking about can be seen by everybody else. If you went to Kisumu even tomorrow morning and I am willing to accompany the Minister and an engineer, the apron is ready; the sides have been done but it is only the middle that has concrete cement. Is he in order to mislead the House that the work has been done according to the standards?
Maybe, Minister we can settle this matter if you indicate when you will next visit Kisumu Airport so that the Member can be available to ascertain with you the work done.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I can organize for another trip. However, like I said earlier, I have no objection to the Member visiting in the company of an
Order, Minister! Will you please invite the hon. Member and other Members from that region to accompany you in your next visit?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, at the next meeting, I will be happy to be accompanied by as many Members as are interested in this matter.
Please, invite them! Member for Gwassi, please, proceed!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the second time, I beg to ask the Minister for Foreign Affairs the following Question by Private Notice. (a) Could the Minister explain why Kenyan fishermen residing in Migingo Island in Lake Victoria are harassed by Ugandan Security Forces? (b) Was the Joint Boundary Survey commissioned by the Kenyan and Ugandan governments completed and, if so, could he provide the report to the House? (c) Could the Minister also explain the steps the Government has taken to implement the resolution passed in the House urging the Government to use all possible means available to reclaim the island, including registering the dispute with the United Nations Security Council?
Is the Minister for Foreign Affairs here? Deputy Leader of Government Business, what is happening to your Minister?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is a meeting in Tripoli and another in Arusha. I believe the Ministers have been split between the two meetings. Could I ask that the Question be deferred until next week when they will be back?
Very well! I will defer the Question to Thursday next week in the afternoon. The Minister, however, will owe the House an explanation as to why he was not here to answer the Question.
Next Question by Member for Ndaragwa!
asked the Minister for Cooperative Development and Marketing whether he could explain why Kenya Co-operative Creameries (KCC) retrenchees have not been paid their dues even after a court order on the same was issued.
Order, Assistant Minister! What is the reason that you were not here to answer the Question? It is not a casual matter, you know! According to the Standing Orders, your conduct is disorderly. So, you must have a reasonable explanation.
Order! Resume you seat for a minute! If that is what you had done, then you should put it simply and clearly that you were looking for further information to be able to answer this Question comprehensively. That is all you need to say and it will be satisfactory! That is, if it is the truth.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Assistant Minister for that answer which is fairly brief. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Question has been asked in this House about three times during the 10th Parliament. The Assistant Minister has been clear as to the position the Ministry has taken. I seek the concurrence of the Assistant Minister that this Question be referred to the Departmental Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Cooperatives. This is because the issue involves in excess of Kshs100 million and the individuals involved have been reduced to poverty. The departmental committee would go into the details of this issue and perhaps suggest a way forward for us to deal with this issue conclusively.
Do I have your concurrence, Assistant Minister?
Very well! I then direct that this matter goes to the relevant departmental committee since I have the agreement of the Assistant Minister, much as it is the duty of that committee as a matter of course, to investigate matters that are within its portfolio even without reference. I would then expect the Committee to have its report ready through the recess so that by the time we re-open for the next Session of Parliament, the report would be ready. Member for Gichugu, please, proceed!
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This is related to your ruling.
What is it that is related to it?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, there are other cases which have been decided by the courts where the old KCC was supposed to pay accident victims who were working for it. May they also be enjoined in this investigation?
I am sure the Committee will do that. Member for Gichugu, please, proceed!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know whether the Assistant Minister has had enough time. If he has, has he responded?
Assistant Minister, can you proceed to give the further answers?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, you gave me time to look at the documents tabled by Ms. Karua. I can certify that the copies of the documents are indeed authentic. I want to repeat that the two national parks we have in Malindi; Malindi Marine National Park and Watamu Marine Park are intact. The documents presented relate to a plot of land that had been purchased in 1969 by the trustees of the National Parks of Kenya. It forms part of the three plots where the Malindi Marine National Park has its headquarters. The trustees of the National Parks of Kenya took the plot No.1204 which has an area of 0.5 hectares and put it under a renewable lease agreement to Kaniako Limited for a term of 25 years beginning 1st April 2010 for the purposes of constructing a tourist facility. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also want to confirm that there is no incident of fraud in this case unless the hon. Member can present more documents that can prove otherwise. Those documents related that it is a lease agreement. This is still public land under the Government of Kenya and under the law of Parks and Reserves, it gives the Kenya Wildlife Service the opportunity to be able to lease certain areas of the facility that are going to be relevant to the development of eco-tourism.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am glad that the Assistant Minister has admitted that particular park is leased. Could he, confirm to the House that the annual revenue collected by the park before it was leased for Kshs1.5 million a year, was somewhere around Kshs40 million?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I may not confirm or deny that. But this is something I may need to check again and bring an answer. But I know that in the monthly renewable lease agreement, there is a certain fee that has been agreed upon between the leasee and the Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS). This money is retained within the KWS for its operations. It does constitute the estimates that are normally provided to this House for approval every annual year when the Budget Estimates are presented.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, something must be terribly wrong because listening to the Member for Gichugu, the income that this Ministry would get if they continued doing their normal business and not denying Kenyans access to that park, would be higher than what they are purporting to receive from the lease. Could the Assistant Minister then confirm that the whole thing is fraudulent and should be stopped forthwith because it does not make economic or ecological sense?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not think I have already agreed to what she was saying, but I have said that the land that has been leased is not part of the national park. Malindi Marine National Park is not under boundary plot No.204/39 which was registered under Legal Notice No.98 of 26th June, 1968, but this particular plot of land was acquired by the trustees of the National Parks of Kenya in 1969. Within the law,
Last question, Member for Gichugu!
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Order, Member for Naivasha! You cannot persist if I am of the view that your question has been adequately addressed. I have that prerogative.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, now that the Assistant Minister is not aware how much money it was making and, therefore, Parliament is not in a position to appreciate his answer, would it be in order for him to go and check the earnings of the park per month and for the last one year and table them and also the lease agreement, so that Parliament is able to appreciate exactly what is happening?
Order! Mr. Assistant Minister, that would be legitimate. You, yourself, said that you needed time. If you do then, we will have to defer it.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think that is a legitimate question. I will bring to the House the lease agreement pertaining to this and also table a list indicating the annual fees the KWS has earned out of this and what projects and operations that money that has been collected has been utilized for.
Can you do that by Tuesday next week?
Obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Very well! The Question is deferred to Tuesday at 2.30 p.m., for the purpose of you providing that part of the answer.
Order, hon. Members! We are now coming to the end of Question Time, but there is a matter with respect to which I ordered substantiation. It is with respect to Question No.435. Yes, hon. Sirma!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 25th November, 2010, that is, Thursday last week, I gave an indication that the Member for Gichugu was misleading the House following what she said in reference to the Armenian brothers; Artur Magaryan and Artur Sargasyan. I said that I required two hours to go to my house and pick the document and you gave me 24 hours. Today, I am here to give the proper position and table the document which indicates that the Member for Gichugu, the then Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs, attempted without success to stop the Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs and the Committee on National Security where I was a Member. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is incumbent upon Ministers to know that at one time, they will be sitting like the Member for Gichugu and not be able to account for what they said when they were in office. It was a serious attempt which was given a ruling by the then Speaker of the Kenya National Assembly, hon. Kausai Francis ole Kaparo,
Order, Mr. Sirma! This is not a matter for debate. What I declared you to do is clear.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to table the documents. The first one is a letter written to hon. Francis ole Kaparo. The reference is: “Objection to the Legal and Administration of Justice Defence and Security Committees inquiry into the Armenian Brothers’ security breaches and unlawful conduct.” She even went further and actually said that the Committees are actually dogged with tribalism. I wonder this time if she is the member of the Committee. How does that really come in? Her statement is very clear and says: “Another important issue to be born in mind is the lack of political neutrality that dogs Parliamentary Committees, composed as they are, Members of the different and antagonistic political parties, occasionally more than eager to score political points.” Is that what we do in Committees? Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is an abuse of the Committees of this House and, therefore, the Member for Gichugu should account for her past statements. I hereby table the letter she wrote to the Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, secondly, I wish to table the ruling of the Speaker, hon. Kausai Francis ole Kaparo on the same.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Order! Member for Gichugu, let me have a look at the documents.
Order! Hon. Members, I have seen a photostat copy of the letter dated 20th June, 2006, which hon. Sirma purports to refer to. Since this letter is properly dated and signed by the author, I will admit it.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. May I look at the letter?
Do you want to look at the letter? Yes, you may.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am aware of the letter. Could I comment on the same?
Yes, you may.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the letter in question was tabled by me in Parliament on 20th June, 2006. Hon. Sirma is not correct to purport to be having a letter which I may have wanted to hide from the public, now that I am not a Minister. When I rose on a point of order to seek the Speaker’s clarification as to the legal position; whether Parliament could conduct investigations parallel to those of
Do you all want to address yourself to this issue? This matter must rest where it is. Unless it is critically important, I do not see anything that is very critical about this. I will allow a few interventions for whatever they are worth.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to seek a clarification. When hon. Martha Karua was the Minister for Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs, she was also the Deputy Leader of Government Business. Why is it that the Report of the Committee, where Mr. Speaker you sat as a Member, was not laid on the Table? It is because she frustrated it through the House Business Committee?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, we work very well with hon. Martha Karua. We have our own personal agreement that we should maintain very high standards, whether we are applying to Ministers who are our friends or those that we may perceive as not being close to us. I notice that in her letter, she said that under those circumstances, she was seeking your intervention to restrain the Committee from proceeding with the enquiry in breach of the Constitutional law. Since we want high standards for Ministers and for us Members of the Back-Bench, I find that hon. Karua is grossly out of order because the same Report that she was obstructing, the Artur Brothers Report, is what she has been on the Floor of this House demanding that it be laid on the Table. Unless there are two Ms. Karuas in existence, the one who blocked the Report should tell the other Siamese twin what has changed for her to take the current position.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, hon. Karua, in her reaction to the document that was laid on the Table by hon. Sirma, put it very clearly that what she did was rise on a point of order. I am at a loss if the point constitutes a point of order. I believe that points of order are raised in the House. However, the letter was written to the Speaker. Does this amount to a point of order?
Order, hon. Members! I will hear hon. Karua and finally Mr. Sirma. This matter will then have to rest and I will give directions thereafter.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, unless points of order are going to be criminalized from today, hon. Members rise here with diverse opinions on a matter. I
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Order, Member for Rarieda! I have given directions on this matter and I want to live within those directions.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, this was a serious tussle between the Minister and the Committees at that time. The former Minister should own up to her past that she actually opposed the report. Asking for the report which she was initially opposed to is not correct. We should know that there are many other issues which the former Minister did including the rubbishing of the Inter-Parliamentary Parties Group (IPPG) as a gentleman’s agreement which resulted in having a very bad Electoral Commission, flawed elections and finally having clashes in this country.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. If Mr. Sirma would like to bring a Motion on me, let him go ahead and do it, but not stand here and abuse the forum of the House to besmirch my name. I have said that there is nothing that I do which I cannot stand up to. If I had not got these copies of the HANSARD, hon. Musa Sirma would have misled all Kenyans that there is a letter I wrote which is tucked in somewhere when I am the one who brought the letter to the House and tabled it on a point of order.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rest my case.
Order, hon. Members! As a matter of fact, what we are dealing with here is a simple and straightforward situation. It is with respect to what transpired in the House on Thursday, 25th November, 2010, in relation to an allegation by hon. Sirma that the hon. Member for Gichugu had written a letter stopping the Report. It is clear from the HANSARD that hon. Sirma was then challenged by the Member for Gichugu to substantiate if, indeed, she wrote such a letter. Hon. Sirma
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand to request for a Ministerial Statement from the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government in respect to circumstances under which public funds were used in facilitating councillors to attend a private meeting in Gatundu South Constituency between 21st and 23rd November, 2010, a meeting which was addressed by the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, hon. Kenyatta. I would like the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government to clarify the following issues:- (1) Whether he, as the Minister who enjoys Executive powers instructed and/or authorized the Thika Municipal Council or any other local council in this country to pay councillors in order to attend a meeting with the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, hon. Kenyatta, at a private meeting at his Gatundu home. (2) Whether he sanctioned the decision by his Assistant Minister, hon. Nguyai, who instructed the Town Clerk, Thika, to facilitate two-night outs for councillors from Sunday, 21st November to Tuesday, 23rd November, 2010. (3) I would like the Minister to confirm whether the Office of Deputy Prime Minister and Ministry of Local Government is currently rolling out a programme in the whole country meant to enable councillors to deliberate on the Constitution and whether this is, indeed, what took place in Thika for councillors from Central Province. (4) Could he disclose how much money was paid out towards this exercise to the following:- (i) The Blue Post Hotel in Thika. (ii) To the councillors as allowances.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, we can give the Statement on Tuesday next week at 2.30 p.m.
Very well! So ordered! Tuesday next week at 2.30 p.m. ESCALATING INSECURITY IN MARSABIT
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to seek a Ministerial Statement from the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security with regard to the escalating insecurity in Marsabit District in which seven people have been killed and a number of livestock stolen in the last two weeks. In issuing that Statement, I want the Minister to clarify the following:- (1) The actions taken by the Government to secure the people of Marsabit from these attacks. (2) I want to know why the Government has not taken any drastic action in the intervening period to bring the culprits to book, yet Kenyans have lost their lives. Mr. Speaker, Sir, appreciating the urgency of this matter and the fact that there is a lot of insecurity in Marsabit and many people have been killed, I want the Minister to issue this Statement as soon as possible.
Minister for Provincial Administration and Internal Security!
Mr. Speaker, I will issue the Ministerial Statement on Tuesday next week, after investigating the matter.
It is so ordered! Member of Parliament for Garsen! COMPLIANCE WITH FISCAL MANAGEMENT ACT
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to seek a Ministerial Statement from the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance with regard to the tabling of the Compliance Report in the House. Could he, very briefly, explain why he has failed to comply with Section 14 of the Fiscal Management Act, which requires him to tell us how much money, in form of revenues, he has so far collected, and whether there are shortfalls? If there are shortfalls, what is he doing about it? Could he tell us how he is allocating the funds, and whether he is keeping to the way we have allowed him in the Budget? Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Deputy Leader of Government Business, could you give us an undertaking?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, we can avail the Ministerial Statement next week, on Wednesday morning.
Very well! Member of Parliament for Saboti! CONCERNS OVER RESURGENCE/REGROUPING OF SABAOT LAND DEFENCE FORCE
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to request a Ministerial Statement from the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security on security concerns of the people of Mount Elgon, particularly in Trans Nzoia and Bungoma Counties, on the possible resurgence and regrouping of the defunct Sabaot Land Defence Force (SLDF) elements. In his Ministerial Statement, I would like him to clarify whether, indeed---
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Order! Order, Member of Parliament for Mount Elgon! Please, resume your seat. Let us, first of all, take the request. If you have anything additional that you want to raise, you will be allowed to do. Proceed, Mr. Wamalwa!
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I had informed my neighbour and good friend, the Member of Parliament for Mount Elgon, about the concerns of the people residing in this region. I would like the Minister to clarify, in his Statement, whether, indeed, there are elements of the SLDF that have been holding meetings and reactivating the network of this militia group. I would also like him to indicate what steps have been taken to investigate and nip in the bud this serious threat to the security of the people in this region. I would further like him to confirm whether the Government has, indeed, established a military base in the region, as promised in the year 2008, to act as deterrence to activities of militia in this region.
On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Member of Parliament for Saboti, do you want to be informed by your neighbour?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish not to be informed. I had informed my neighbour about the situation; I would like the Minister to inform the country and assure the residents of their security.
Is that to say that you people are not good neighbours?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are very good neighbours, and we are going to be talking about this matter.
Member of Parliament for Mount Elgon, do you really have something relevant to this matter that will inform the Minister? If so, you may say it.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, this issue has been raised by the media before. As the Member of Parliament, together with the Provincial Security Committee and the District Security Committee, we have been on the ground; the true position is that we have elements who want the implementation of Phase Three of the resettlement exercise to stop. Those elements are more or less coming up with fictitious information. The situation on the ground is that there is no place which is as peaceful as Mount Elgon area in this country, as we speak. Therefore, we cannot highlight on the Floor of this House a situation which does not exist. We are asking the Minister to come up with something which does not exist. In fact, on Saturday, I was with my hon. colleague at a function in my constituency, and there was nothing like that. I am surprised that he has come here to raise an issue which does not exist.
Very well! You have said your bit. Hon. Members, I think it was necessary to hear both of them since they come from that area. Assistant Minister, will you, please, bear the two positions even as you come with the Ministerial Statement?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, what my colleague has just
Very well; that may be necessary, so that the necessary objectivity is achieved. Two weeks from today, it is so ordered! Hon. Members, that brings us to the end of Order No.7. Next Order!
Who was on the Floor on Thursday? Is there anybody interested?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) problem has been played over and over again in slow motion, in video and audio. Everybody knows what we are talking about. What remains mysterious is the inability of the Government to come up with a lasting solution to this problem. Just today, we heard that the IDPs who are home-based – those who enjoy the generosity of their neighbours, and who are generally referred to as “integrated IDPs” – were being compensated with Kshs35,000 as happened with others. As we support these new ventures, we would like, as an emergency measure, to have the Kshs3 billion that is available put under the charge of the Minister of State for Special Programmes, so that we do not have to have more Cabinet Papers, more stories and more agony as Christmas is just around the corner. We do not want to have Christmas with families dying as they are being watched. It happens that between 65 per cent and 70 per cent of these people are in Naivasha.
Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we support the Report by the Committee, but we are dismayed by the deafening silence of this Government to understand the basics of how to go about this matter; it is the way we are putting it. Let us simply
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to contribute on this subject. First, I would like to congratulate the Chairperson of this particular Committee and the members for the good work they did. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the IDP issue in Kenya is really a condemnation on the Government of Kenya for its poor management of disasters and emergencies. What we are seeing here should not be happening in the 21st Century. Even though we may not know the root cause of the problems which have occurred in this country, there is no excuse whatsoever for subjecting Kenyans to impossible living situations now. I know for a fact and we know for a fact that Kenya has the capacity to respond to emergencies and situations like these. But we have left Kenyans to suffer in situations which should not really occur. I want to speak particularly on the issue of Mau evictees, people who were evicted and those who are sustaining themselves under the guise of saving the environment. Apparently, it seems that the ego of one man has really led Kenyans to suffer. As of now, these camps have over 30,000 people who are living in miserable conditions and fairly inaccessible to Government officers. It has been raining heavily as if God is showing us that the issue of drought is not a Mau issue, but of human beings from elsewhere who have been messing up with the situation. In the situation of the Mau evictees, I have said we have 30,000 people who are suffering. We have got very poor food delivery, very poor shelter and even the materials they have are not very good. In the last three weeks, we have had very little rain and I hope the Minister will have time to visit that particular area in the 11 camps which are there and see what is happening. Up to now, we are talking about facilitating these people by giving them land and that we are going to do that before Christmas. It is a tall order, Madam Minister, but we want to wish you well if you can manage to settle all these Kenyans in the next three weeks before the end of the year. We are concerned that health facilities do not exist at all. As of now, within the Mau evictees’ camps, we have lost 38 persons. Out of these, there are children under 15, four adults who are under 35 and over 14 people who are over 56 years. This is really unacceptable. Why should we not address the issues which are making our people suffer? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Committee has made some very good recommendations which I would like to support. I would like to congratulate again the Chairperson for even finding the strength and energy to go to inaccessible areas of Mau to see these Kenyans. Once again, I want to urge that Kenya puts into practice its disaster management policy. It is not enough to come out with fantastic and beautiful policies which are not implemented. We would like to request that this is done under one Ministry so that one person is responsible. With those few remarks, I beg to support the Report.
Thank you very much Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Indeed, this issue of IDPs is an issue that ought to have been given the necessary attention as early as two years ago. When you look at the issue of IDPs, it has been discussed so much, it has been publicized all over the place but when you look at the amount of action that accompanies the discussions, they are not related at all. It is so important today that even as we debate this particular issue, we should get a firm position from the Government as to what it is going to do to ensure that the big number of Kenyans amounting to about 50,000 is resettled. In Mau alone we have over 30,000 people and in Rongai, we have close to 15,000 people. This is something that really needs to be given immediate attention, in fact, it is an urgent issue. If we do not do that, then the Government itself is reneging on a very serious
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to say that the Committee did a commendable job because the Report details what actually happens on the ground. However, I would also like to say that they give the new Committee that has been formed time to also go round and see the progress that has been made since this Report was made. This is because I believe that we have made a lot of progress since that time and a lot of work has been done. The other thing I would like to say is that every hon. Member talks about Kshs3.6 billion that has been given for purchase of land. As far as I know, Kshs1.5 billion is what was given to the Ministry of Land. To date, we have used Kshs900 million and the balance has already been allocated to various portions of land and we
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to take this opportunity to thank all the hon. Members who have supported this Report. From the outset, our objectives were very clear when we went for a fact-finding tour to assess the status and conditions of the IDPs in the camps and establish whether the intervention of the Government--- There were interventions from the National Humanitarian Fund which was set to assist IDPs---
Order, Mrs. Noor! For the benefit of the records of the House, you need to say that you are the Chair of the relevant Committee and you are replying.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I oblige. I am the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. I want to take this opportunity honestly to thank all the Members who contributed to this Motion and particularly those who supported our Report. Basically, the objective was a fact- finding tour which was to assess the status and the conditions of the people in the IDPs camps and establish whether the intervention taken by the Government of Kenya had an impact to those people. We were looking at the National Humanitarian Fund, Operation Rudi Nyumbani, the fund that was set up, that is, Kshs10,000 and Kshs25,000 for reconstruction of the houses, assistance to self-help groups, relief food for IDPs from the Government and the World Food Programme (WFP), peace building and reconciliation efforts to create harmony among communities and other Government support that was being given. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Committee’s observation in Mai Mahiu Camp was that the IDPs there were very grateful to some initiatives that had been undertaken by both the Government and the international community, particularly the support they got in terms of resettlement. They were allocated pieces of land and organized to form self-help groups. That is something that they appreciated. They
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to move the following Motion:-
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Report of the PAC on the accounts of Kenya Government is the most important report of Parliament, and it accounts for about 70 per cent of the Business that Parliament carries out throughout the year. However, this House lacks quorum for such an important report.
Indeed, Mr. C. Onyancha, you are right, the House does not have the requisite Quorum. Ring the Division Bell.
Hon. Members, it looks like even after the ringing of the Bell we still do not have a quorum.