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  • April 23, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 1
  • NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

  • OFFICIAL REPORT

  • Tuesday, 23rd April, 2013
  • The House met at 2.30 p.m.
  • [Hon. Speaker in the Chair]
  • PRAYERS

  • NOTICES OF MOTIONS

  • APPOINTMENT OF COMMITTEE ON APPOINTMENTS

  • Aden Bare Duale

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 204, this House approves the appointment of the following Members to the Committee on Appointments:- 1. The Hon. Justin B. Muturi, MP - Speaker of National Assembly 2. The Hon. (Dr) Joyce Laboso, MP - Deputy Speaker 3. The Hon. Aden Duale, MP - Leader of the Majority Party 4. The Hon. Francis Nyenze, MP - Leader of the Minority Party 5. The Hon. Naomi Shaban, MP - Deputy Leader of the Majority Party 6. The Hon. Jakoyo Midiwo, MP - Deputy Leader of the Minority Party 7. The Hon. Jackson Kiptanui, MP 8. The Hon. Issac Ali Shaban, MP 9. The Hon. Roselinda Soipan, MP 10. The Hon. Katoo ole Metito, MP 11. The Hon. Jamleck Kamau, MP 12. The Hon. Amina Abdallah, MP 13. The Hon. Gideon Konchellah, MP 14. The Hon. Cecily Mbarire, MP 15. The Hon. Moses Cheboi, MP 16. The Hon. Nelson Gaichuhie, MP 17. The Hon. Boniface Gatobu, MP 18. The Hon. David Wafula, MP 19. The Hon. Esther Murugi, MP 20. The Hon. Ibrahim Sane, MP 21. The Hon. Mishi Juma Khamis, MP

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  • 22. The Hon. Manson Nyamweya, MP 23. The Hon. Maj. Gen. (Rtd) Joseph Nkaissery, MP 24. The Hon. Abass Ahmed Ibrahim, MP 25. The Hon. Chrisantus Wamalwa Wakhungu, MP 26. The Hon. Maj. (Rtd) Marcus Muluvi Mutua, MP 27. The Hon. Stephen Mutinda Mule, MP 28. The Hon. Ken Obura, MP
  • APPOINTMENT OF CHAIRPERSONS PANEL

  • Aden Bare Duale

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 16, this House approves the appointment of the following Members as members of the Chairpersons Panel:- 1.The Hon. Moses Cheboi, MP - First Chairperson of Committees 2.The Hon. Rachael Shebesh, MP - Second Chairperson of Committees 3.The Hon. Tom J. Kajwang’. MP - Third Chairperson of Committees 4.The Hon. Jessica Mbalu, MP - Fourth Chairperson of Committees Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir.

  • Hon. Speaker

    Hon. Paul Koinange!

  • PROVISION OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE BY HEALTH FACILITIES

  • Paul Koinange

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, aware that health facilities in the country invariably decline to attend to patients who are in critical emergency conditions without admission deposit of payment leading to worsening of patients’ conditions and sometimes leading to loss of life; concerned that most Kenyans are poor and lack medical insurance; noting that Article 43(2) of the Constitution of Kenya states that “a person shall not be denied emergency medical treatment”, this House urges the Government to ensure that all health facilities provide emergency medical care to victims of accidents and those in emergency medical condition without denying them admission on grounds that they are not able to pay deposits.

  • Hon. Speaker

    The hon. Gitari to give notice of his two Motions. I am told that he is absent. Next is hon. Abdulaziz Farah! He is also not present. It looks like hon. Members are not present to give notices of their Motions. Next Order!

  • MOTIONS

  • APPOINTMENT OF COMMITTEE ON APPOINTMENTS

  • Aden Bare Duale

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion:-

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  • THAT, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 204, this House approves the appointment of the following Members to the Committee on Appointments:- 1. The Hon. Justin B. Muturi, MP - Speaker of National Assembly 2. The Hon. (Dr) Joyce Laboso, MP - Deputy Speaker 3. The Hon. Aden Duale, MP - Leader of the Majority Party 4. The Hon. Francis Nyenze, MP - Leader of the Minority Party 5. The Hon. Naomi Shaban, MP - Deputy Leader of the Majority Party 6. The Hon. Jakoyo Midiwo, MP - Deputy Leader of the Minority Party 7. The Hon. Jackson Kiptanui, MP 8. The Hon. Issac Ali Shaban, MP 9. The Hon. Roselinda Soipan, MP 10. The Hon. Katoo ole Metito, MP 11. The Hon. Jamleck Kamau, MP 12. The Hon. Amina Abdallah, MP 13. The Hon. Gideon Konchellah, MP 14. The Hon. Cecily Mbarire, MP 15. The Hon. Moses Cheboi, MP 16. The Hon. Nelson Gaichuhie, MP 17. The Hon. Boniface Gatobu, MP 18. The Hon. David Wafula, MP 19. The Hon. Esther Murugi, MP 20. The Hon. Ibrahim Sane, MP 21. The Hon. Mishi Juma Khamis, MP 22. The Hon. Manson Nyamweya, MP 23. The Hon. Maj. Gen. (Rtd) Joseph Nkaissery, MP 24. The Hon. Abass Ahmed Ibrahim, MP 25. The Hon. Chrisantus Wamalwa Wakhungu, MP 26. The Hon. Maj. (Rtd) Marcus Muluvi Mutua, MP 27. The Hon. Stephen Mutinda Mule, MP 28. The Hon. Ken Obura, MP
  • Hon. Speaker, Sir, the Standing Orders mandate the House Business Committee, in consultation with the parliamentary leadership, to constitute this very important Committee. At both Safari Park and in this House, hon. Members agreed that we would achieve 20 per cent threshold for gender parity. We also looked at the nomination of these Members based on party proportionality. Lastly, we referred to the Standing Orders and saw this Committee’s independence, as specifically mentioned therein. The Appointment Committee was non-existent during the last Parliament. It is a creation of Article 152(2) of the Constitution, which mandates the President to nominate his Cabinet Secretaries and forward the names to Parliament for approval. So, parliamentary approval will pave way for the President to formally appoint the Cabinet Secretaries, as well as for their swearing into office. Therefore, this is a very important Committee and it is coming at the right time because there is a lot of anxiety in the country. People are asking why the Cabinet is not in place. We want to make it very clear today, from this august House, that this House’s
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  • approval of the Motion will put in place the infrastructure that the President will use to appoint the Cabinet Secretaries. It is also important for hon. Members to know that the appointment of the Cabinet Secretaries is of crucial importance to the nation. The Committee we are seeking to appoint is also a very important arm of the National Assembly. Hon. Speaker, Sir, it is also important to say that after the Committee does its job of vetting and approving the list of proposed Cabinet Secretaries, it will be dormant and wait for a time when the President will re-shuffle his Cabinet. That is when the Committee may have to vet new persons who may be picked by the President. Therefore, this Committee has only one functional duty: Vetting of persons who have been picked by the President for appointment as Cabinet Secretaries. Therefore, I ask hon. Members to approve this Motion, as a matter of priority. With those remarks, I ask my colleague, the leader of the Minority Party, to second the Motion. Hon. Nyenze: Hon. Speaker, Sir, I second.
  • (Question proposed)
  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, Dr. Eseli.

  • David Eseli Simiyu

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion because from the people’s perception, this Committee should have been in place much earlier. It is good that we now have the names of the membership to the Committee. I urge the House that we approve those names since they were picked by consensus from the party leadership of this House. However, I do not agree with the Leader of the Majority Party, who has just said that the Committee will only be vetting Cabinet Secretaries. My understanding is that the Committee is supposed to be vetting all State appointments that require parliamentary approval. If we are going to have appointments of Principal Secretaries, ambassadors, et cetera, I would expect that this Committee would still be required to do some vetting. So, I do not know whether the perception that the Leader of the Majority Party has given to the House, that this House will only vet and approve nominees for appointment as Cabinet Secretaries alone, is really valid. Therefore, I hope that when he stands up to reply, he will clarify that matter. Finally, I urge that once this Committee is in place, they try very much, as we follow the constitutional provisions on regional and gender balance, among others, to ensure that we have people of integrity and people with track records, so that we can be sure that they will deliver the services that all Kenyans require. This should apply to all of them, and not just a section of them. It should be an approval of people in whom the rest of Kenyans will have confidence. The problem that is ailing Kenya right now is lack of confidence. We need to build that confidence through this Committee, which should ensure that the Report they bring to this House does not lead to further debate, which may then tarnish the value of those appointments. I hope that this Committee will be equal to the task and do a proper job, so that when we get these names, we do not have a situation like it happened once in a while in the last Parliament; when names would be brought to Parliament and then hon. Members

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  • would stand up and tear the appointments into bits and pieces. We hope that this Committee will be equal to the task. With those remarks, I beg to support.
  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, hon. Harrison Kombe.

  • Harrison Garama Kombe (The Member for Magarini)

    Mhe

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  • Spika, nasimama kuunga mkono Hoja hii. Tukizingatia umuhimu wa Kamati hii na umuhimu wa kuwa na Baraza la Mawaziri wakati unaofaa, sioni kama inafaa hata kwa mmoja wetu kusimama kupinga Hoja hii. Hata kama ingewezekana ingekuwa pengine watu wawili tu wazungumze kuhusu Hoja hii ili tuipitishe; inafaa tutoe nafasi kwa haraka kwa Baraza ili mawaziri wateuliwa katika wakati unaofaa. Mhe. Spika, katika wizara zilizobuniwa ni kama kuna vitengo vingine ambavyo vimeachwa nje. Mfano ni kitengo kile cha jinsia. Haijajulikana kitakuwa katika Wizara gani. Hivyo basi, inafaa kamati hii ijitwike wadhifa wa kuweza kuwashauri viongozi wahusika, Mheshimiwa Rais na Mheshimiwa naibu wake, ili kitengo cha jinsia kiwekwe katika Wizara ambayo itatekeleza majukumu kama vile ilivyokuwa katika siku za nyuma. Mhe. Spika, pia katika harakati hizo za kubuni Baraza la Mawaziri, ningeuliza tena wahusika waangalie maeneo yote ya nchi ili yapate kuwakilishwa katika Baraza hilo. Hiyo itawafurahisha wananchi wa Jamhuri ya Kenya; wataona kwamba kila sehemu inawakilishwa katika Baraza hilo. Mhe. Spika, nina mengi lakini kufikia hapo nasema ninaunga mkono kwamba Hoja hii ipitishwe pasipo kusitasita. Asante Mhe. Spika.
  • Tom Joseph Kajwang'

    On a point of order, hon. Speaker, Sir. I hate to interrupt the business of the House, but this being a House of rules and procedures, even as we debate this Motion that has been brought to the House by the Majority Party Leader, I rise on a point of order under Standing Order No.83. Hon. Speaker, Sir, Standing Order 204(2) states: “The Committee on Appointments shall be appointed within seven days on assembly of a new House---” That is the operating paragraph that I rely on. It would appear, therefore, that by the rules of the House, the Leader of the Majority Party should have brought this Motion much earlier – seven days after the assembly of the House. Although it sounds very procedural, it touches on the ability and the capacity of the Majority Leader. Is it in order, therefore, that this Motion was brought here in direct violation of the Standing Order? Are we competent to debate it, and should the Majority Leader come and apologise before the House since he has neglected his duty to do that which he should have done within time?

  • Hon. Speaker

    Leader of Majority Party, do you want to speak to that point of order raised by hon. Kajwang?

  • Aden Bare Duale

    Yes, hon. Speaker, Sir. With due respect to my colleague, hon. Kajwang, the seven days period is counted from the State Opening of Parliament, which was last Tuesday; the constitutional provision states that we do not count the first day. If I do not count the last Tuesday, today is my last day. I want to tell my colleague, the renowned lawyer that the capacity of the Majority Leader and the capacity of the Jubilee Coalition are above reproach. I will ask my colleague to read the Constitution and the Standing Orders well, in view of the induction that he went through.

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  • So, hon. Speaker, Sir, you can guide the House. I am in order as per the Constitution and the Standing Orders to present the list of the Committee on Appointments today. Thank you.
  • (Applause)
  • Hon. Speaker

    Let me dispose of the point of order raised by hon. Kajwang. Indeed, hon. Kajwang, if you look at Article 259 of the Constitution on how to construe a provision of the Constitution, you will notice that Clause 5 says: “In calculating time between two events for any purpose under this Constitution, if the time is expressed – (a) as days, the day on which the first event occurs shall be excluded, and the day by which the last event may occur shall be included;---” Therefore, the Leader of Majority Party is in order. Hon. Chidzuga.

  • Zainab Kalekye Chidzuga

    Shukrani sana mhe. Spika. Nasimama kuunga mkono Hoja hii, lakini kabla sijaunga mkono, ningependa kuhimiza kwamba Hoja hii--- Katika Kamati hii ambayo itawachunguza Mawaziri, tungetaka tuwe na watu ambao hawakukataliwa na wananchi. Wale waliokataliwa na wananchi ni wazi kwamba hawataweza kutekeleza matakwa ya Wakenya. Kwa hivyo, mtakapokuwa mnatuletea majina hapa, na maoni haya pia yamfikie Mhe Rais wetu, tunahitaji wale ambao hawakukataliwa na wananchi; tunataka wapewe nyadhifa za kuweza kutufanyia kazi katika Kenya na sio kuwa Mawaziri peke yake. Tunataka hata katika ubalozi na tume zote tupate watu ambao ni wapya na tuanze nao kazi.

  • Zainab Kalekye Chidzuga

    Asante sana mhe. Spika. Naunga mkono.

  • Hon. Speaker

    Well, the hon. Member does not have to apologise. The House has the opportunity to correct her in making the appointments or the approvals.

  • Hon. Speaker

    Also, to guide the House in the light of the point raised by hon. Dr. Eseli, the Committee on Appointments vets appointments of Cabinet Secretaries and Principal Secretaries. The others will be approved by departmental committees established under the Standing Orders; that is provided for under Standing Order 216(5)(f) which states: “To vet and report on all appointments where the Constitution or any law requires the National Assembly to approve, except those under Standing Order No.204 (Committee onAppointments ).” Therefore, hon. Dr. Eseli was right that the Committee on Appointments will deal with Cabinet Secretaries and also Principal Secretaries. The Member for Kikuyu or Kikuyus?

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  • (Laughter)
  • Anthony Kimani Ichung'Wah

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I am, indeed, very proud to be representing the great Kikuyu people in this House, and I rise to support the Motion on the Committee of Appointments. However, as we talk about regional balance, I think we will be asking the Committee and, indeed, His Excellency the President, when it comes to appointments not just of Cabinet Secretaries but to all other positions to not only consider regional balance but also meritocracy and integrity of the people who will be appointed to these offices. Hon. Speaker, Sir, we will be asking those of us from Kiambu County--- There has been a tendency in the past of relegating the area where the Head of State comes from to a second position on the basis that the people of that area are holding the presidency. We will be asking the Committee on Appointments and His Excellency the President during the appointments to kindly also consider the people of Kiambu for all the departments. We should not be relegated to a second position on the basis that we hold the presidency, because the President is the President of the Republic of Kenya and not of the President of Kiambu. Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir.

  • Philip Lotiolo Ruto Rotino

    On a point of order, hon. Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the hon. Member to pre-empt what the President intends to do?

  • (Laughter)
  • Hon. Speaker

    He may merely be expressing an opinion. That cannot pre-empt what the President intends to do.

  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, hon. Linturi.

  • Franklin Mithika Linturi (The Member for Igembe South)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I would really seek your indulgence so that I have an opportunity to thank the people of Igembe South for giving me an opportunity to serve for a second term in this august House. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion before this House and tell the House that we are the defenders of the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya. I would really urge the House that we move with speed and approve the list of the names of the members of the Committee on Appointments, considering that this House, in its own calendar, is behind schedule. This list is required like yesterday. It has a duty to vet the Cabinet Secretaries and look at the provisions of Article 221 of the Constitution. The preparation of the budgetary Estimates is crucial; we have a deadline and the Cabinet Secretary is required to bring to this House the Budget Statement 60 days before the end of every financial year his. I, therefore, say that it is very important that we move with speed--- At least we need a Cabinet Secretary who will be able to bring here the Budget Statement for consideration by this House before we run out of time. I believe we must work within the constitutional confines provided because we must adhere to the rule of law.

  • Franklin Mithika Linturi (The Member for Igembe South)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I support.

  • Hon. Speaker

    One last one by Bishop Mutua.

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  • Robert Mutemi Mutua (The Nominated Member)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. First of all, I want to take this opportunity to congratulate you and also to thank the Wiper Democratic Party for nominating me into this House.

  • Robert Mutemi Mutua (The Nominated Member)

    I want to raise an issue of great concern, and that is the issue of leaving out people with physical challenges from the committee membership. They were left out of the first and second committees. They are also not represented in this Committee on Appointments. This is a dangerous trend because even in the appointments, there is a likelihood that the people who are physically challenged will also be left out.

  • Robert Mutemi Mutua (The Nominated Member)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to make a proposal because this is quite serious. The way we are standing up to catch the Speaker’s eye is a challenge to Members who are physically challenged. So, we plead with you that your eye sees them even when they are seated down; it is quite a challenge for them to stand and they cannot compete with us. Even the President omitted these people and it is very serious. It means they are being omitted inside and outside the House. Could the Mover affirm that he will bring them on board?

  • Shakeel Shabbir

    On a point of order, hon. Speaker, Sir.

  • Hon. Speaker

    This being a Procedural Motion really, I do not think we need to continue. Hon. S.S. Ahmed, I assume you know the Standing Orders. You cannot claim to rise on a point of order when the Speaker is also on his feet. I want to put the Question.

  • (Question put and agreed to)
  • Hon. Speaker

    Next Order!

  • APPOINTMENT OF CHAIRPERSONS PANEL

  • Aden Bare Duale

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion:- THAT, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 16, this House approves the appointment of the following Members as Members of the Chairpersons Panel:- 1.The Hon. Moses Cheboi, MP - First Chairperson of Committees 2.The Hon. Rachael Shebesh, MP - Second Chairperson of Committees 3.The Hon. Tom J. Kajwang’ MP - Third Chairperson of Committees 4.The Hon. Jessica Mbalu, MP - Fourth Chairperson of Committees

  • Aden Bare Duale

    This is also a very important group people in the running of the House for the next five years. They comprise of four Members in the order in which I have read out their names. All the powers are vested in the Chairpersons of the Committee unlike in the Tenth Parliament where the Chairpersons main mandate in the House was to chair the Committee of the whole House.

  • Aden Bare Duale

    A serious consultation was done, first, between the Speaker and the political parties’ leadership in Parliament. The same was again submitted to the House Business Committee which you chair and serious consultation was done this morning which came up with the submission of the four said Members. Because of their importance in helping the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker to manage the affairs of the House, I urge my

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  • colleagues and the House to approve, as a matter of urgency these names. I request my counterpart, the Leader of the Minority Party to second this Motion.
  • Francis Mwanzia Nyenze (Deceased)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I rise to second the Motion.

  • (Question proposed)
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  • Nicholas Gumbo

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to support this Motion. This, as the Leader of the Majority Party has said, is an important Committee and it is incumbent upon the House to approve it. One observation that I would like to make is that this is about the fourth Committee that we are approving since we started our business. I have noted, and it is disturbing me that a trend is emerging where some names keep appearing in successive committees.

  • Nicholas Gumbo

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, this is a House of 349 very competent and capable men and women. I urge those in the House Business Committee and the Selection Committee to take note of that. Only four Committees have been presented to this House and clearly, there are Committees where more than one name has appeared more than twice. That, to me, is a tendency towards discrimination and the House must say “no” to such tendencies.

  • Nicholas Gumbo

    Hoping that this will be observed and implemented in the successive Committees, I beg to reluctantly support the Motion.

  • Clement Muchiri Wambugu (The Member for Mathioya)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir, for giving me a chance to contribute to this Motion. First of all, I would like to congratulate you for having been elected the Speaker. I would also like to congratulate the Leader of the Majority Party for taking up the seat.

  • Clement Muchiri Wambugu (The Member for Mathioya)

    I rise to support this Motion and also congratulate your leadership because this is the first Committee that we have had the gender rule being applied. While I also make my reservations on what is happening in the House, one of them has been mentioned about particular names being repeated in various Committees while we have a House of almost 350 Members.

  • Clement Muchiri Wambugu (The Member for Mathioya)

    There is also the issue of gender rule even in the last Committee that we have discussed. It is good to note that in the last Committee that we have just discussed in Motion No.8, one side of the House - and that is the Jubilee side - had nominated almost 40 per cent of women to the Committee while our side of the CORD coalition has constantly been nominating 10 per cent of women to the Committees. This is very worrying. However, I understand the problem that they could be having because it is in public domain that they are trying to look for people to get into the House through the backdoor. Well, we will not concentrate on that. It is good for this House to know that we do not have losers; we have either the first, second or third winner when it comes to elections.

  • David Eseli Simiyu

    On a point of order, hon. Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Member contributing in order to impute improper motive on the CORD coalition that we are trying to get members into the House through the backdoor and yet we do not have a backdoor as an entrance to these Chambers?

  • (Laughter)
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  • Hon. Speaker

    I think the Member may continue.

  • Clement Muchiri Wambugu (The Member for Mathioya)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I did not mean the backdoor because there is only one main door to the House. However, you know the procedures that are being use. Some people are going to the media every time saying that the CORD coalition cannot perform without particular people in this House. It is good for Members to know that we are all equal when we come to this House. It is only particular people who are in various positions like the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party.

  • Clement Muchiri Wambugu (The Member for Mathioya)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, with those few words, I beg to support the Motion.

  • Alice Wambui Ng'ang'a

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I also want to support this Motion. While supporting this Motion, I urge that since we have an additional four Members to act in the Speaker’s Panel, we will strictly follow the Standing Orders, especially Standing Order No.18, which requires that only the Speaker, the Deputy Speaker and the four Members of the Speaker’s Panel are allowed to preside in the House. A trend developed in the last Parliament where this rule was violated.

  • Alice Wambui Ng'ang'a

    Recently, I saw a case where a Member just went and started presiding over the House contrary to rules and regulations, and contrary to our Standing Orders. I urge that this is not repeated now that we have officially and formally constituted this Committee.

  • Alice Wambui Ng'ang'a

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I would also like to say that I can see scrambling for Committees but what is important is one’s ability to perform. I can see a trend where Members scramble to be in very many Committees but they will not be able to deliver. Some of us who have been here for a while will attest to you that being in more than two Committees will be more than doing justice even to yourself. Even though you would like to appear “big” by your name appearing in almost every important Committee in the House, it is also important to worry about performance because by the end of the day we will realise that quorums are never realised in those Committees. This will affect the Committees. So, I urge my brothers, especially those who are in the Selection Committee, because I can see a trend where most of the Members we approved to serve in the Selection Committee have started putting their names in some of these Committees again--- That is not why we approved your names in those Committees, but we approved your names in those Committees to balance. This is a House of 349 Members and it is a record in itself. I am told that we are struggling even to get enough Committees for each one of us. So, if you will be in the Selection Committee and then you want to put your name in all the Committees, you will do injustice to yourself, injustice to this House and injustice to Kenyans at large.

  • Alice Wambui Ng'ang'a

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, with those very few remarks, I would like to support the Motion. Thank you.

  • Hon. Speaker

    Let me clarify that Standing Order No.18 is actually directly picked out of Article 107 of the Constitution, that the presiding of the House shall be by the Speaker but in absence of the Speaker, the Deputy Speaker shall preside, and in absence of the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker, a member elected by the House for that purpose pursuant to Article 107 of the Constitution shall preside. So in the absence of the Speaker and Deputy Speaker, an hon. Member must be elected for the purpose of chairing.

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  • April 23, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 11 Hon. Ng’ongo

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, you are right but if you read Article 107, how do you do that election? If you go to Article 107, it talks of the Members of the Speaker’s Panel, the four of them. That is why in the absence of those four-- In the unlikely event that all the six, the Speaker, the Deputy Speaker and the four are absent, then this House must carry out an election first; I wonder who would conduct that election. Basically, this House should not sit if the six of you are not present.

  • Hon. Speaker

    I think it is a good point to think through but you will realize the appointment of the four Members is an approval and not an election. The House approves the four names; it does not elect them, for the purpose of chairing. They are the people to chair. In fact, the Chairperson of Committees is the Deputy Speaker and the four are elected to assist the Deputy Speaker in chairing the Committees.

  • Elias Bare Shill

    Hon. Speaker Sir, although I was not on time when hon. Ng’ongo was speaking, I just wanted to correct him that it is not a select committee that has chosen these people; it is the House Business Committee (HBC). That correction should be made. I also stand up to support those four people that have been mentioned. I think they have been selected properly and I am sure they are going to execute their duties properly. I support!

  • (Question put and agreed to)
  • MOTION

  • THANKS FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ADDRESS

  • THAT, the thanks of the House be recorded for the exposition of public policy contained in the Address of the President delivered on Tuesday, April 16, 2013.
  • (Hon. A.B. Duale on 17.4.2013) (Resumption of debate interrupted on 18.4. 2013)
  • Hon. Speaker

    Hon. Members, let me see whether there was anybody who may have been interrupted. Hon. Ichung’wah, you have a balance of two minutes if you are---

  • Anthony Kimani Ichung'Wah (The Member for Kikuyu)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, would I be in order to ask whether - since it was my maiden speech that was interrupted - I would be in order to ask for your sympathy to have my five minutes?

  • Hon. Speaker

    You are eating into your two minutes!

  • Anthony Kimani Ichung'Wah

    Much, obliged Hon. Speaker, Sir. Since I had thanked the great people of Kikuyu whom I represent I will just go straight to commenting on the Presidential Address. I had mentioned that the people of Kikuyu and, indeed, the entire country is eagerly waiting for the framework of the consolidated women and youth fund; many of our women and youth are eagerly waiting for this fund to embark on business and create job opportunities in this country.

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  • The proposal by His Excellency to consolidate these funds into a fund that will be managed at the constituency level is, indeed, very commendable, as it will not only afford the opportunity to the youth and our women in this country to be employers themselves, but will also spur economic growth. The business community will also immensely benefit from this proposal as money that would otherwise have gone to the women and youth will now be available within the banking sector for the business community. We have also heard very pessimistic people on the proposal by His Excellency to provide free solar powered laptops to our children. I want to say that as a young father and a father to a daughter who will be joining Standard One next year, this is one proposal that this House and, indeed, the Jubilee Government cannot afford not to keep; we cannot be seen to be lying and giving promises to our children that we do not intend to keep. I must say that those of us in the Jubilee Coalition are very committed to fulfilling this promise to our children and to this nation. There has been---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up!

  • Joseph Nkaissery

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to contribute on the Presidential Address. First let me congratulate you for being elected the Speaker of this House, the Deputy Speaker and my colleagues for successfully competing and getting elected. I want to thank the great people of Kajiado Central for giving me a third consecutive term in this House. I would like to comment the President for his great inaugural Address, which inspired hope for this country. Despite all those comments the President made, there are certain areas I want to comment on. The area of security is very important to this country. Without security, there is no development and, therefore, we must take care of our security organs. We must empower them. I would like to commend my friend, hon. A.B. Duale, who in 2011--- This is where all of us, as elected leaders, must come from. We must win the hearts and minds of Kenyans. The elected people of North Eastern Kenya must tell their people that it is important to be your own policemen. It is important that the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) do not operate within the country. We should be supporting countries like Somalia. Our people should be taking care of ourselves. Therefore, to win the minds and hearts of Kenya, the leaders must go and preach peace and security. The President talked about a lean Government, and I am so happy that I am a member of the Committee on Appointments. Let the President make no mistakes of recycling “used goods”.

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  • Joseph Nkaissery

    We want a fresh start and people who will take this country to the next level. With that I do not need to comment further. On the issue of land, the starting point should be Article 67(2)(e); let us address historical injustices. Let the President come up with a policy on how we can address that. With regard to economic development, he said by the end of his term he will want to see double digit growth. We must target the economic mainstay of every region and its infrastructure, so that we can improve on the economy of this country.

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  • With regard to co-operation, regional and international, it is important to note that this country is a sovereign state and sovereignty means a politically democratic State. I do not see why the International Criminal Court (ICC) is trying to micromanage the Republic of Kenya. The people of Kenya spoke on 4th March, 2013. They want these two gentlemen. The ICC is a court which was established for rogue, or failed, states. Hon. Speaker, Sir, Kenya is not a failed state! It is a great nation in this region. So, as it is a sovereign State, the ICC should withdraw the case against our two gentlemen. I must say this because it is very important for this House. The law-making institution of this country should stand up and say that our people love President Uhuru and his Deputy. What business do they have to micro-manage the affairs of this nation from The Hague?
  • As we contribute to his Address, we must look at the issues of national unity. A unifying factor is the Head of State, and he swore on 9th of this month to defend, lead and to unite us.
  • Hon. Speaker

    The lady in red at that corner. Please state your name.

  • An Hon. Member

    She does not want to speak!

  • Jane Agnes Wanjira Machira

    (Hon. (Ms.) Machira): Shukrani, Mhe. Spikar. Ni pongezi kwako kwa kuchaguliwa kama Spika wetu. Nikiongezea, ningependa kusema kwamba nilikuwa afisa wa uhusiano mwema na ndio sababu hakukuwa na fujo yoyote wakati ulichaguliwa. Nasema ahsante pia kwa wabunge wenzangu.

  • Jane Agnes Wanjira Machira

    Kulingana na ile Hotuba ya Rais, nasema hongera. Ilikuwa Hotuba nzuri sana lakini nataka tupige hatua katika mambo ya ulinzi na usalama katika sehemu ambayo nimetoka. Kabla zijasema hivyo, ningependa kutoa hongera kwa watu wa Laikipia kwa kuchagua huyu mama ambaye anaitwa Jane Machira. Niliapa mbele ya Bunge hili kwamba nitawatumikia wote. Tukiangazia ulinzi na usalama, Kenya ilifanya vizuri sana wakati ilielekea Somalia na kuhakikisha amani katika nchi hiyo. Lakini sisi wenyewe tunaweza kuwa tunakunywa maji, ili hali majirani wetu wanakunywa pombe za kifahari. Katika sehemu ya Laikipia, majirani wetu wamekuwa wakipigwa na kukipigana wenyewe kwa wenyewe na hata kuuana kwa ajili ya mifugo. Juzi tu, katika sehemu ya Kamwenje huko Laikipia, baba mmoja na mtoto walipoteza maisha yao. Pia katika Kaunti ya Baringo, ambayo ni jirani yetu, ilipoteza mtu mmoja na kijana wa shule. Pole kwa hayo yote. Mungu aweke roho zao mapahali pema peponi. Nataja tupige hatua ambayo Rais alizungumzia kuhusu ulinzi. Hatua ya kwanza inahusu watu ambao wameuliwa. Itakuwaje ikiwa jamii zao hawatapatiwa ridhaa? Tunataka watu hao wawe wakipatiwa ridhaa kwa sababu ikiwa mama amewachwa bila mzee wake na watoto bado wanasoma, anapata shida kubwa sana katika maisha yake. Kwa hivyo, katika Bunge hili, tungetenga kiazi fulani cha fedha za kuwalipa ridhaa waliofiwa na kuwa wajane. Tukiwa bado katika masuala ya ulinzi na usalama, kuna wazee ambao wanafanya kazi ya uhusiano mwema na kulinda usalama katika sehemu Fulani fulani. Tunawaamini sana. Lingekuwa ni jambo la busara kuwatengea fedha kidogo za malipo. Tunawaita wazee wa mitaani, na wanasaidia jamii zinazoishi Laikipia. Jambo la tatu, ni kuwa kuna tatizo la wanyama wa pori kuzurura huko Laikipia. Hao wanyama wa pori wemawatatiza wananchi wa Laikipia. Watoto wetu siyo kama

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  • wale wa hapa Nairobi au sehemu nyingine. Wakienda shule ni lazima wazindikishwe. Kila asuhubi, mtoto anahitaji usalama wakati anaenda shule.
  • Hon. Speaker

    Nafasi sasa ni ya Dr. Nyikal.

  • The Member for Seme

    (Hon. (Prof.) Nyikal): Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to make my first statement in this House. I take this opportunity to congratulate you for being elected as the Speaker. I also congratulate my colleagues for being elected too. I know how hard it was. May I take this opportunity to comment on His Excellency’s Address. It was an Address that covered issues that are of great importance to Kenyans, and that are at the hearts of most Kenyans and, therefore, very popular. That exactly is the challenge that we, as leaders here have, particularly the Jubilee Coalition. The issues in the Address must be addressed. Otherwise, it will be a great disappointment, if we cannot handle them. Let me just make a few comments. One is on corruption. I commend the Address because it talks about the strengthening of the Judiciary and other institutions. That is because corruption is a menace in this country. I think other than ethnicity corruption is probably the greatest impediment to the development of this country. Let me also say that there has been a one-sided approach to the issue of corruption. I have watched keenly and all efforts seem to show that corruption is basically in, and perhaps only, the public service. I want to say in this House that corruption is equally big in the private sector.

  • (Applause)
  • The Member for Seme

    I have not seen any efforts to address corruption in the private sector. It can be implied in the laws, but I think we should now look at it specifically. I am in a position to tell this House that corruption is actually instigated many times from the private sector. It is like a tango; it takes two to dance the tango! The giver must be blamed as much as the taker! We have concentrated too much on the taker and left the giver free!

  • (Applause)
  • The Member for Seme

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I also think that we have not fought corruption adequately. Many times, in major corruption, people who are involved go to court and succeed. They then proceed to enjoy the fruits of corruption; to live lavishly and become heroes to our children. I think we must be more strict. We must, as a country, start thinking of capital punishment - I mean death sentence - for some forms of corruption. I think we must put this into the law; this house makes laws. In some cases, people who are involved in certain types of corruption - like the economic type - should actually be executed. I do not know whether silence means fear, but I think we must go in that direction. Secondly, I would like to touch on the issue of health. I am most happy about His Excellency’s Address on the provision of free healthcare to people who deserve it, like maternity cases, the old, children and so on. That is how it should be, but there have been very many short-term measures to address the issues. Sometimes they are--- You can see what is happening in the newspapers. What this country really needs is a comprehensive healthcare system. We need a comprehensive health Bill that will ensure that no person

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  • pays for services at the point of delivery. We need a proper and comprehensive health insurance. We need to work on it. Even people who are most endowed with resources never pay for healthcare at the point of delivery. There is always insurance. We must give that to all Kenyans. Next time health insurance people come I think we must also---
  • Hon. Speaker

    The Member for GatunduNorth.

  • Francis Kigo Njenga (The Member for Gatundu North)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I am Francis Kigo Njenga, the hon. Member for Gatundu North. I take this opportunity to congratulate, first, His Excellency the President and his Deputy, yourself and your Deputy, all the hon. Members here and those in the other House. I also want to thank the people of Gatundu North for having given me this opportunity to serve them in this House. As I follow this debate which I support and like; I say that it is marvelous; we have spoken about public spending and capital spending in our constituencies and counties. However, it is high time we also addressed ourselves to the issue of revenue. You can never spend without earning. When President Kibaki came to power, this country could raise Kshs100 billion in taxes. By the time he left we were at over Kshs800 billion from taxes. I urge this House to ensure that by the time President Uhuru leaves, probably, most likely in ten years time, we should be at Kshs2 trillion from taxes, so that we achieve what we are promising the people of Kenya. Hon. Speaker, Sir, we need to review the Income Tax Act, Cap.470 of the laws of Kenya and the Value Added Tax Act. These are taxes that touch on revenue. They create windows and opportunities for corruption. This House should look at these two Acts and ensure that they are tight to ensure that no theft of public money takes place via taxes. Hon. Speaker, Sir, when you get money, the other thing is to protect the money. The biggest problem, other than the twin brothers of corruption and tribalism, has actually been spending our hard earned money in a way that allows the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This House must address the issue of corruption. In any case, we are the people who have been given the mandate of oversight of our Government. Tribalism has made the Governments in the past actually favour their communities. President Kibaki did not do it. I do not want to say that other Governments did it, but I think it can be seen. We must curb tribalism, so that communities can work together, and this country can go far. With regard to equity, it is our constitutional right to be equal. The social justice that is provided for in the Constitution gives every Kenya dignity. It gives equality and equity. However, it is very sad to see that some areas in the country are marginalized when it comes to the distribution of resources. I think the President will look at that. I am saying so because in my constituency if you want to get a policeman you have to go to the neighbouring constituency. In order to get medical services you have to do the same. Even for one to get justice they have to go to the neighbouring constituency. If you go to Mahiane Hospital you will just find a building there; there is nothing much. We need resources to be equitably distributed in this country to all districts because there is no Kenyan who is not equal to the other. I want this House to look at its role in Budget-making and appropriation. When I look at our state today, we are where the county governments are not a story; rather they are a reality. We now must do the

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  • SWOT Analysis of the counties we have in Kenya. Most of the counties are well endowed. I look at Samburu County and realize that ng’ombe ni wengi sana there. If you look at Nyandarua County, as an hon. Member said here, dogs do not take milk at times. If we actually allocated our resources in a manner that we were able to connect counties, then this country would actually do a lot more than we are doing. In my constituency, if the 40-kilometre road is tarmacked, it will connect Samburu, Nyandarua, Laikipia, Kitui and the Coast Province. The 40-kilometre road will do better things for us than the roads we are doing in this City. We need to look at where we interconnect counties, so that we get the vertical and lateral economic advantages for our country and our people. Hon. Speaker, Sir, we talk of laptops. That is a good idea. A hungry man is an angry man. If you give a hungry kid a laptop, it will be dismantled because---
  • Hon. Speaker

    The hon. Member from Migori County; the lady in green. You people talked of equity and so we must practise it.

  • Dennitah Ghati (Migori County Women Representative)

    Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir, for seeing me. My name is Dennitah Ghati, hon. Member for Migori County. I wish to congratulate you for being elected the Speaker; I also congratulate the Deputy Speaker. I also wish to thank the people of Migori County for having trust in me to represent them in this prestigious House. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to very quickly comment on the Address by His Excellency the President, and especially on maternal healthcare. That is one area that I am very passionate about. The issue of free maternity healthcare is very important and I felt that the President touched on an area that is really touches on grassroots women. What I am left to wonder about - I am here to basically talk about how sustainable it is - is the whole issue of how we are going to move in terms of maternity healthcare; this is about ante-natal and post-natal healthcare. Also, how do we sustain the programme to enable our women have free access to drugs? For women in the rural areas, it is one thing to have free maternal healthcare and another thing to enable them access the services. I just came from the county the other day and I can tell you that expectant women are still being subjected to paying a fee at the public hospitals. I am left to wonder how soon this will be implemented. For me it is a positive move, but we need to move forward very quickly and see how it works. Lastly, Hon. Speaker, Sir, is the issue of food security. As you know, this is very critical to poverty alleviation. It is unfortunate that at this time and era in this country, and especially where I come from, people still depend on food aid and natural rain; when it does not rain, therefore, the county, or constituency, lacks water even for irrigation. I am very keen to see how issues to do with irrigation, natural rain, and water generally are going to help in agriculture. This is because most of our counties depend on rain water.

  • Hon. Member

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for your very sharp eye and for recognising me despite the competition from my neighbours here. I would like to take this very early opportunity to congratulate you for your deserved election as the Speaker of this House. I rise to support the Motion. First and foremost, without being verbose, I would like to say that the President’s Address was not only cogent but was also lucid and vivid; it initiated the 21-point agenda for the Jubilee Government. If you look at what the President stated in his Address,

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  • contrary to what my learned friend, hon. Kajwang’, said – that the President does not support the implementation of the new Constitution – we can see very clearly the commitment of the President to implementation of the constitution; this is particularly clear from paragraph four of his Address. Devolution is central in the President’s Address. That is, indeed, central in the implementation of the Constitution. Having said so, I want to make a few remarks on what the President said in his Address. Firstly, I like what he said about issuance of laptop computers to Standard One children in this country. As a continent, Africa lost out during the industrial revolution. We were not only bystanders but we were also ignorant of what was taking place at the global stage. We have an opportunity to participate in the information revolution by giving our children laptop computers at very early age. It is good that my good friend, Mr. Njenga, was cut short by time; he wanted to say some very unpalatable things about the Government’s policy of issuing laptop computers to children. The relevance of the laptops to children cannot be gainsaid. Someone said that if you repeat a habit twice, it becomes part of your character. The President has repeated this statement more than once. It has, in fact, become part of the culture of this nation. We are waiting very anxiously for the laptop computers to come because they are going to make learning very exciting to children not only in school but also at home. Children will also be able to get electronic books, which they would not have obtained in the real world. Many of our people have been caught up in what we call “time warp”. Where I come from, we were disadvantaged. We could not get story books. That is the reason as to why my English is not very good. I would be speaking the Queen’s English but for lack of story books. Giving children laptop computers at a very early age will enable them to browse the worldwide web and access story books on the internet. This will enable children to speak better English than hon. Chepkonga. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to comment on what the President said in respect of the underperforming sectors of this country’s economy, particularly the transport sector. Looking at the problems that we have, particularly in the transport sector, you do not need a brain surgeon to tell you that as you drive through Mlolongo on Mombasa Road, you will find a long queue of vehicles. Even as we speak, there are over 100 vehicles queuing at the weighbridge at Mlolongo because of impunity. There are transporters who have perfected the art of employing brokers to ensure that their overloaded trucks are allowed to continue being on our roads. I have been told that when senior officials from the Kenya National Highways Authority go to the weighbridge, lorries carrying cargo in excess of the authorised capacity are parked.
  • Hon. Speaker

    Sorry, hon. Member. Your time is up. Let me have the lady seated next to hon. Nyiva Mwendwa.

  • Susan Mbinya Musyoka

    (Hon. (Ms) Musyoka: Hon. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for noticing me. My names are Hon. Susan Musyoka, the Member for Machakos County. I want to add my voice to congratulating you as our Speaker and also thank the people of Machakos County for electing me. The Presidential Address was very impressive and very appealing to Kenyans. I look forward to seeing county women empowerment programmes coming into place, and

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  • the youth getting off the drug menace and the streets, and getting employment. I want to see our youth engaged. I also look forward to seeing us have technical training institutes in each county. As a person who worked in the health sector, I would like to comment on health issues, which many hon. Members have spoken on. I have worked in several parts of this country. Kenya started off with free medical care in 1963 but, definitely, the policy did not work. We are now re-introducing it. I think after the failure of the free medical care programme, we introduced the cost-sharing policy. We were headed towards putting in place a comprehensive health plan, where people can walk to hospital and not pay a single cent. This is a plan in which the government is supposed to cater for those who are not able to pay by paying for their insurance. Under the plan, medical service providers are expected to claim money and sustain good quality services. A month ago, I lost a woman in Machakos County in a very painful situation. She was taken to a health centre in Yatta on a shamba wheelbarrow. When she arrived at the health facility she delivered a baby and she bled to death. It was very sad. The health centre was there but it did not have the right equipment and personnel. Therefore, we need to have appropriate equipment in our health institutions. We also need to have qualified health personnel who can handle complications. Women who deliver at health institutions develop complications. So, we need competent health personnel in our institutions, so that they can handle such cases. In case they cannot handle such cases, they should be able to transport the patient to the nearest health facility with the capacity to handle the case. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I worked in Nyeri at one time. We operated on mothers and transported them to the health centres nearest to their homes to recuperate and then walk home. Such a situation would be good for the rest of the country. We have a lot of clinical officers and nurses who are not employed. It would be good if they could get absorbed into the health sector and get paid well for the services they render. With those remarks, I beg to support.
  • An hon. Member

    On a point of information, Hon. Speaker, Sir.

  • Hon. Speaker

    You are out of order! Who are you informing?

  • Andrew Toboso Anyanga (The Member for Butere)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, first and foremost, just like my colleagues, I would like to take this opportunity to sincerely congratulate all hon. Members of Parliament, yourself and your Deputy for your successful election.

  • Andrew Toboso Anyanga (The Member for Butere)

    I rise here, first, to give my maiden speech and secondly, to make a few comments on the President’s Address. Many Members of this honourable House have made positive comments about what our President said in his Address. I would like to add to that voice by saying that, indeed, the Speech captured the mood of the country at the time that he delivered it.

  • Andrew Toboso Anyanga (The Member for Butere)

    However, what is important is not so much how glossy, beautiful or how much - like hon. Chepkonga said - the Speech was well elucidated, but what commitment the President will have in the five years he will be the Head of this country to deliver on that Speech.

  • Andrew Toboso Anyanga (The Member for Butere)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I would like to say that although the Speech addressed almost all the sectors of the economy, there are certain sectors that I feel we need to have given a

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  • little more focus in terms of what needs to be done to get permanent solutions. I have in mind the agricultural sector.
  • We talked about irrigating one million acres of land per year. Let this House not forget that a few years back, a country like Malawi was more food deficient than we were and yet, today, we import maize from that country.
  • Hon. Speaker, Sir, some two years ago, when the Bura/Hola Irrigation Scheme was revived, all the produce that came out of that scheme, and which was, indeed, a good Government strategy to address the problem of food security--- That maize went to waste. I think you all remember the problem of aflatoxin and, as a result, the maize barons continued to have their day.
  • My concern is that as we talk about irrigating one million acres of land, we should look at the entire agricultural value chain; we are not just talking about production of foodstuffs but also looking for viable markets for them.
  • Hon. Speaker, Sir, I am happy that the President talked about Kenya being a logistical hub and, yes, indeed, we are a logistical hub. However, if you look at our key trading partner which is Uganda, you will realise that the infrastructural network to connect us to that country is in pure shambles. We do not have a road that we can call a highway that leads us to Uganda, neither do we have a functional railway line that leads us to that country. Therefore, I urge the President to consider developing a standard gauge railway line that will connect the Port of Mombasa with Uganda and the rest of East Africa as a major priority.
  • I would also like to talk about manufacturing. I do realise that in the lean Government of President Uhuru, the Ministry of Industry remains as a stand-alone Ministry and this is a good thing. However, we have many industries in this country which are going to waste. In western Kenya, for example, the mills are almost going under. We have Mumias Sugar Company that needs heavy capital injection. Of course, we also know that we need major investment in special economic zones particularly in areas like Kisumu, so that we can tap into the East African Community market.
  • Hon. Speaker, Sir, those are some of the areas that I feel the President should have focused on under the manufacturing sector.
  • Lastly, if I may just mention something about the environment, we know that as it is right now, we have five water towers in the country that require massive rehabilitation. We know that Mount Kenya, Aberdares, Cherengany, Mount Elgon and the Mau require to be rehabilitated so that we do not continue facing problems of drought and water deficiency.
  • It did not come out very strongly in the President’s Address that, indeed, we are committed to reclaim the Mau. I want to believe that as we move forward in the next four years, we shall be seeing a Government that is not just conscious about environmental management, but, indeed, which will also look at issues---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, the lady in whitish attire! Kindly introduce yourself.

  • Susan Kipketer Chebet

    (Hon. (Dr.) Chebet: Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I want to take this opportunity to congratulate you and your Deputy for your election. I also want to congratulate President Uhuru Kenyatta and his Deputy, William Ruto for their election. My names are Dr. Susan Chebet from Elgeyo/Marakwet County. I am the County Women Representative.

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  • I have one or two things to highlight this afternoon. First, I want to thank the electorate for electing me as the County Women Representative for Elgeyo/Marakwet.
  • Secondly, I want to comment on the Presidential Address. The nine pillars appealed to all Kenyans and we are all looking forward to thorough implementation of each one of them. We have talked about the Women Enterprise Development Fund and the Youth Enterprise Development Fund and we look forward to their implementation.
  • The President also talked about free maternity services for our women who will visit our public hospitals. This should be implemented very fast so that our women can access the facility. Women cannot wait for 100 days because they are already giving birth. Some of them have been detained in hospitals because they went there carrying only baby clothes. They did not carry any money on them and now they are stranded.
  • Thirdly, I would like to talk about the Disaster Management Authority which should also be established immediately because we have disasters every day. There are natural calamities in Kerio Valley. We have people who are staying in camps in Elgeyo/Marakwet County because they were asked to stay there as a result of floods and landslides. This is the case and yet, we have people who are about to suffer a second disaster now. They are in camps and floods are about to carry them away.
  • On laptops, we would like to know their specifications because they appear to be very misleading. Some people think that there are laptops which can be used for browsing. So, if we have the specifications, we will know exactly what we are talking about.
  • Lastly, but not least, the President should have considered where to place the Gender and Culture Ministry. It did not appear in the list of Ministries which were formed recently. The Ministry of Gender and Culture can take care of many things including the retrogressive cultural practices such as cattle rustling, female genital mutilation and early marriages of our girls, if we want them to continue with their education. I plead with the President to consider reconstituting his Ministries so that we can have the Ministry of Gender and Culture to address those issues.
  • Hon. Speaker

    Let us have one of the hon. Members with disability. I have recognized hon. Rose Museo because she cannot be seen from her place.

  • Rose Museo Mumo

    (Hon. (Ms.) Mumo)

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  • Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I am hon. Rose Museo, the County Women Representative for Makueni. I wish to join the other hon. Members who have spoken before me to congratulate you and the Deputy Speaker for your election to oversee the business of this House. The election was also historical because the first woman Deputy Speaker was elected.
  • It is worth noting that this is the first time that the women of Kenya are being represented in this House following the affirmative action as enabled in the new Constitution. Towards this end, I would like to thank the people of Makueni County for electing me to be their first woman representative. I know this is a new job and the expectations are quite high due to the fact that we are representing a constituency with special needs.
  • Hon. Speaker, Sir, the President outlined quite an elaborate plan to accelerate growth in almost all the sectors of our economy, most of which the woman is key in ensuring a sustainable economic growth. It will be difficult to achieve any meaningful
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  • growth without adequately empowering the women, considering the role they play in this country. It will be difficult to achieve any meaningful development without the Constituencies Development Fund (CDF). But the impact it has created in the rural citizenry is nothing to write home about. It was refreshing to hear the Government’s commitment to remodel the fund and make it more accessible to the women and the youth. The beneficiaries of this fund require their capacity to be enhanced through training and exposure. Let them be well advised on the opportunities available which will make it easy to revolve the fund. The people of Makueni, who I represent, will never tire when you start telling them about water. Actually, you cannot campaign for any elective seat in Makueni or any part of the country without mentioning the solution to this persistent problem. There is now a commitment from the Government to make that commodity available. It should remain a firm commitment and to a scale that will be meaningful.
  • Hon. Speaker, Sir, in conclusion, the Jubilee Manifesto as spelt out in the Presidential Speech being debated in the House is a commitment to the people of Kenya who were also given promises by other political parties. I would say that if all the commitments as laid down in the Manifesto are implemented, it would add value in enabling the people of Kenya to exploit their potential.
  • Abdulaziz Ali Farah (The Member for Mandera East)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir, for seeing me at last. First of all, I want to thank you for being elected as the Speaker of this august House and your Deputy. I also wish to thank the people of Mandera East for electing me to be in this august House. I will comment on the Presidential Speech that was very good and marvelous. It said what we expected of him but to be very specific, when the President talked about a lean Government, I was also touched. He made that promise by reducing his ministries to 18. He also promised to cut on agencies and departments in his Government. I suspect he is on the road to doing that. That was very good of him and I hope he is going to implement it. I will remind the President of the areas that probably he might cut on in his efforts to fight wastage. My first shot goes to the so many commissions that we have in this country. I do not propose eradicating them but let us reduce the number of commissioners who serve in those commissions. By the way, they earn more than hon. Members. I also wish the President would slash the so many departments that exist in some Ministries. Of particular interest to me is the Minister of Water and Irrigation that overlaps severally. The President was very particular about improving the economy of this country. Specifically, he said he wants the economy of this country to grow at a double digit. That was very good of him but I was a little bit confused. I do not know whether it is because I do not know English but when he said he will do that in a generation, I do not know the meaning of a “generation.” Is it 15 years? Is it ten years? I wanted the President to be specific when he said “within a generation”. Is it the five years that he is in office now? I want a clarification on that. But generally, the President touched on so many sectors where he can revamp and improve the economy. He specifically spoke about the tourism sector where he intends to raise the number of tourist arrivals to three million. He also talked about modernizing our agriculture, fighting corruption, creating skilled manpower in this country and so on. He also talked about job creation. But what touched my heart is where he targeted to improve

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  • the welfare of youth and women and embed it into the framework of Constituencies Development Fund (CDF). That was very good. Kenyan rights need to be protected. It is provided for in the Constitution. He promised to do so by, first of all, increasing the number of police officers who will serve this country. He promised to improve their welfare so that they can protect our internal security and our borders. I want to see the President fulfilling that promise and implementing it. I also heard the President talk about land issues.
  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up!

  • (An hon. Member raised his hand)
  • Hon. Speaker

    Please do not raise your hand; you are tall enough to catch my eye.

  • Lawrence Mpuru Aburi (The Member for Tigania East)

    Mhe. Spika, mimi ni Mheshimiwa aliyeshindwa mara saba na ya nane akachaguliwa kuja hapa ndani. Natoa shukrani kubwa sana kwa wewe kupata hicho kiti. Najua wewe ni kiongozi ambaye atatuongoza tukiwa pamoja. Natoa pia shukrani kwa Mwenyezi Mungu kunileta hapa na watu wa Tigania Mashariki. Pia nimekutana na ndugu yangu Mhe. Kabando wa Kabando tuliyekuwa naye 1992 na Mhe. Chris Bichage ambaye pia tulikuwa naye tukipigania haki. Kutoka wakati huo, sijawahi kupumzika hadi sasa niko Bunge. Kwa hivyo, nasema ahsante kwa Mwenyezi Mungu na kwa watu wa Tigania Mashariki kwa kunileta Bungeni. Hotuba ya Rais ilikuwa nzuri sana. Sisi watu wa Upinzani wa chama cha ODM hatufai kuwa tunapingana na kila kitu. Saa zingine tuseme kingine ni kizuri. Hotuba ya Rais aliyoisoma katika Bunge hili ilikuwa nzuri sana. Ukiingia Tigania Mashariki, kuna mahali panaitwa Amgaa, Ngutu na Kunati. Ukiingia zaidi magharibi sehemu ya Ndia, barabara imekatika na hakuna daraja. Zile shule ambazo zitapelekewa laptops, mahali pengine watoto wanasomea chini ya miti. Hivi sasa, ukimpelekea mtoto laptop akiwa chini ya mti na mvua inyeshe, laptop hiyo itaharibika. Kwanza, tunataka shule zijengwe halafu laptops zifuate. Katika sehemu ya Tigania Mashariki, hakuna hospitali ilihali inapakana na Igembe ya Kati na Igembe Kusini. Watu wa Tigania Kusini wa kutoka upande wa Ngutu na wale wanaotoka Kunati wana hospitali. Lakini sisi hatuna chochote. Inaonekana ni mahali hapawezi kupata uhuru lakini kwa sababu Mhe. Kenyatta amepata Serikali na watu wa Tigania Mashariki walimpigia kura na kunipigia mimi, ni lazima afike kule aone wale ni wazalendo Waafrika awapiganie. Hawa ni wazalendo wa Afrika ambao walipigania uhuru na wakapata. Ningependa kuzungumzia masuala yanayohusu kahawa. Eneo letu la Tigania Mashariki lilikuwa nambari moja katika kilimo cha kahawa. Lakini kahawa iliharibiwa na ikachafuka. Wakulima wa eneo la Tigania Mashariki waling’oa kahawa wakapanda

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  • Lawrence Mpuru Aburi (The Member for Tigania East)

    . Naomba Serikali inayoongozwa na Rais Uhuru Kenyatta na Bw. Ruto - kwa sababu wako pamoja - waunganishe watu wa Tigania Mashariki ili waweze kupanda kahawa. Kahawa ilisaidia sana kuimarisha elimu katika eneo la Tigania Mashariki. Mhe. Spika, Jumapili, nilitembea katika Mkoa wa Kati na rafiki yangu mmoja hapa ambaye sitaki kumtaja. Tulienda kanisani na yeye na akaniuliza: “Mhe. Aburi, nitatoa nini?” Na mimi nikamuuliza: “Kwa nini unaniuliza hivyo?” Akajibu: “Mshahara

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  • wangu napewa Kshs300,000 ama ni Kshs500,000!” Nikamwambia: “Hizo ni pesa nyingi sana! Akaniambia: “Ngoja kidogo tuone Mhe. Aburi.” Tulikaa katika kanisa na wakati kasisi alipomaliza misa yake, yule mtu aliyekuwa anapingana na yeye aliamka na kutoa Kshs100,000. Akaniambia: “Aburi, nitafanya nini kwa sababu watu wote katika kanisa hili wanangoja kuona mheshimiwa atatoa pesa ngapi? Kwa sababu mheshimiwa asipotoa pesa, hawawezi kuamka na kupiga makofi.” Wakati huu katika mashinani, anayeangaliwa atatoa ngapi ni mheshimiwa. Mheshimiwa amekuwa maskini katika Bunge hili na waliomchagua wanampigia simu za kuomba pesa, simu za kuarifu kifo na za kuomba pesa za kujenga makanisa. Mheshimiwa asipotoa pesa, hapigiwi makofi. Nasema hivi: Lazima tuungane pamjoa – tukiwa wanachama wa ODM, PNU ama vyama vingine - katika vita hivi hadi tufike mwisho. Jambo langu lingine ni hili: Nawalaani wale wazee wa Njuri Ncheke waliomtukana Mheshimiwa Mithika Linturi. Mheshimiwa Mithika Linturi ni mbunge ambaye tunamwamini katikia Bunge hili. Anapigania Mkenya na kila mtu. Wale hawakuwa wazee wa Njuri Ncheke ! Wazee wa Njuri Ncheke w anamwita mtu katika nyumba ya Njuri Ncheke na kuongea pamoja na kumaliza mambo yao. Siyo mambo ya kwenda kwa magazeti na kusema: “Huyu ni mtu mbaya!” Mhe. Spika, yangu hayajaisha! Ya Mpuru Aburi hayajaisha! Lingine ni hili. Tunaenda kukutana na wabunge wa Tigania Mashariki; Igembe, Ntonyiri na upande wa Thuci. Tutaenda kukutana katika nyumba na Njuri Ncheke na kuwalaani wale wazee ambao walioongea vibaya kuhusu wabunge wa Meru. Walisema ya kwamba ni wakora wasioshiba. Wanafaa kuongezewa kokoto kwa tumbo---
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  • Hon. Speaker

    Nafasi sasa ni ya mhe. Gideon Mung’aro. Tusikie sauti ya Pwani.

  • Gideon Maitha

    Asante sana mhe. Spika. Nataka pia nichukue nafasi hii nikupongeze kwa kuchaguliwa kama Spika wa Bunge hili. Vile vile, ningependa kuchukua nafasi hii kuwashukuru watu wa Kilifi Kaskazini kwa kunipatia nafasi kuwa mbunge wao wa kwanza katika eneo hilo jipya la Bunge. Mhe. Spika, katika kuchangia Hotuba ya Rais, ningependa kutilia mkazo jambo ambalo ndugu yangu Aburi amelizungumzia; hasa upeanaji wa tarakirishi kwa watoto wa darasa la kwanza katika shule zetu za msingi. Nafikiri ijapokuwa Rais ana maono mema katika kuanzisha mradi huu wa tarakirishi kwa watoto wetu wa darasa la kwanza, ingekuwa vyema ikiwa Rais, badala ya kuwapatia wanafunzi wa darasa la kwanza tarakirishi hizo ambazo zinaweza kuhatarisha usalama wa watoto wetu wadogo badaye--- Kwa sababu watu watajaribu kuwapokonya. Hata zinaweza kuibiwa zikiwa nyumbani. Watu wanafikiria ni vifaa ambavyo vinaweza kuwasaidia kwa njia nyingi. Serikali ingejenga mahabara katika shule zetu zote za msingi ile watoto wetu wa kutoka darasa la kwanza hadi la nane waweze kufaidika kutokana na mradi huu wa tarakirishi. Vile vile, mhe. Spika ningetaka kuzungumzia kuhusu Hotuba ya Rais, hasa kuhusu swala la ardhi. Sisi watu wa Pwani, swala la ardhi ni swala nyeti sana. Watu wa Pwani wamekuwa maskwota tangu wakati wa uhuru wa nchi hii. Swala la ardhi katika

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  • Pwani limetumiwa wakati wa kampeini za kutafuta kura za urais na hata za ubunge. Swala la ardhi limeleta uhasama katika Pwani. Limeleta vuguvugu la Mombasa Republican Council (MRC). Tunasema Serikali hii isitumie ardhi kama chombo cha kampeini au kuwaweka Wapwani pamoja. Lakini Serikali itatue swala hili, ili, ifikapo mwaka wa 2017, liziwe swala la kampeini tena ama kuomba kura. Bali, tatizo la ardhi liwe limemalizwa katika Mkoa wa Pwani. Swala lingine muhimu katika Mkoa wa Pwani, ambalo limeleta matatizo mengi na vijana kuanza kujiunga na vikundi, ni swala ambalo Rais alizungumzia katika Hotuba yake. Ni swala la ufufuaji wa viwanda. Kuna wengi waliokuwa katika vikundi vya kijamii. Kule Pwani tulikuwa na viwanda kama kiwanda cha korosho katika Kilifi, kiwanda cha maziwa cha Mariakani na kiwanda cha Bixa kule Kwale. Ni viwanda ambavyo vikifufuliwa, vitatoa ajira kwa vijana wetu na kuweza kupunguza matatizo ya usalama katika eneo la Pwani. Swala lingine ambalo ni muhimu sana ni la unyunyisaji maji katika mashamba. Ni jambo ambalo Rais alilitilia mkaso sana. Ningependa kusema kwamba, kabla ya kuanza kunyunyisia maji mashamba, Rais na Serikali yake wahakikishe ya kwamba akina mama wetu wanaweza kupata maji karibu na kwa urahisi. Bado leo kuna akina mama wanaotembea zaidi ya kilomita ishirini ili kuchota maji ya matumizi. Vile vile, ningependa kuunga mkono swala la fedha kwa vijana wetu na akina mama bila riba. Lakini pesa hizo, hata kama zitagawanywa katika maeno ya uwakirishi Bungeni, ziwe rahisi kuwafikia vijana na akina mama wakati wanatafuta mkopo huo. Kwa sababu - kama nilivyosema hapo awali - wananchi wengi katika sehemu hii ni maskwota. Na kama kutatakikana vibali vya kuwaweza kupata pesa hizo za mkopo, basi itabidi---
  • Hon. Spika

    Sasa nafasi hii ni ya mhe. Nuru Angwenyi.

  • Jimmy Angwenyi (The Member for Kitutu Chache North)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, first, I want to congratulate you for your election to be our Speaker. I would like to congratulate our Deputy Speaker, my sister Dr. Laboso, and the House leadership from both sides, who have been elected to serve this House. Secondly, since this is my maiden speech after a spell of five years. I would like to thank the people of Kitutu Chache North who voted for me overwhelmingly, after they had taken me through an induction course to digitize me so that I can serve them well in this House. Thirdly, I would like to thank the President for giving us a very serious and deep Speech, which brought out the programmes of the Jubilee Government. I am sure he has spoken. In Jubilee we say: “We believe. Ni kusema na kutenda .” Amesema na sasatunangojea kutenda ! I urge the House to support the Government so that it can dispose of its “ kutenda ” side of its motto. If we do that, I am sure that by the end of ten years’ reign of Jubilee Government, Uhuru Kenyatta will be called the silver of Kenya. It will be like the silver of Brazil, who pulled out of poverty 46 million people in a period of ten years. I am sure we will pull out of poverty more than 15 million people if we undertake to implement the Jubilee Manifesto. Hon. Speaker, I cannot continue talking about the Speech without touching on pertinent issues that affect us. I want to give a warning to this House. This House is under

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  • serious siege! There is an onslaught being mounted by the civil society and by the Commissioners who are idle; by the media who have demonized us and taken away our integrity. They want to weaken this House so that it cannot perform its oversight function. It is the same way they have weakened the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) and made sure that it cannot perform its work well. Hon. Speaker, Sir, if you look at what has been happening recently, we are being bashed left, right and centre by everybody that we are seeking increment of our salaries. You know and everybody reasonable knows that we are not seeking an increase in our salaries. We are only saying that let us maintain our salaries at the level that was obtaining in the last Parliament until the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) brings a legal order to change our salaries and, in fact, not to change it adversely against us. This is because the Constitution forbids that. Now, Article 160 of the Constitution states clearly that you cannot adjust the salary of a State officer to his or her disadvantage. Hon. Speaker, Sir, the commissions we have set are idle. Remember that a member of the SRC earns the same salary they have recommended for you to earn and yet they only perform their job every three years for one month or two months. I will urge the Parliamentary Service Commission to continue paying Members of Parliament at the previous level that was used to pay the Tenth Parliament. This is because the order given by that gazettment is illegal. It is unlawful. It contravenes and transgresses more than 15 statutes of this country. The SRC does not have the power to repeal or amend enactments that have been made in this House. Take the example of the Act setting up the SRC, Section 11 says clearly that they will review the salaries and recommend before they can be implemented.
  • Ferdinard Kevin Wanyonyi (The Member for Kwanza)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank you for giving me this opportunity. It is because I have been struggling to catch your eye since I came. Thank you because you have given me a chance at long last. First of all I want to thank the people of Kwanza for giving me the opportunity to serve them. Secondly, I want to talk about the Presidential Address. I support it because it touched very many areas that are very dear to my heart. The first one is on agriculture. You know that Trans Nzoia is the granary of this country in terms of food production. I want to draw the attention of hon. Members here that if things go the way they are now, we are likely to have famine this year. Last month people had not cultivated or planted. They had not even done top dressing. This is because the Ministry of Agriculture had not imported fertilizer on time. I would like to ask the President to take his time so that he can get the right people at the right places. If you can have somebody of the caliber of the Deputy President in the Ministry of Agriculture, this country will not have a problem with regard to food production. Let the President take his time to look for somebody who will help us have enough production of food. The Ministry of Agriculture needs an overhaul. I am a farmer. By last month we had not even planted because there was no fertilizer. I, therefore, ask the President to give us somebody credible to head that Ministry. The President mentioned something to do with perennial droughts and floods. That is a very good idea. We see rain water causing havoc. I am particularly hurt because

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  • in my area we have a small river called Sabwani. That river is causing havoc. Yesterday, I could not cross to the other side of the river. I had to go almost 30 kilometres to reach the other side of the river. The President said that he would bring a Bill that would address the issue of annual droughts and floods. I suggest that, in the Bill, we need to have a provision for check dams downstream which will contain the overflowing rivers. Out of the check dams we could also do irrigation which will help our people during the drought seasons. I support what the President said. Hon. Speaker, Sir, another thing that is affecting us in Trans Nzoia and which the President spoke about is the issue of eviction and settlement of IDPs and squatters. Trans Nzoia, as most people know, was a white settlement. We have more squatters in that area than in any other place. Therefore, I am requesting the President to help us settle the squatters in Trans Nzoia before getting the so-called IDPs from other places to come to Trans Nzoia. We have a problem there. People have not been settled since Independence. We remember the clashes of 1992. There are places called Bosnia and Chechnya---
  • Sunjeev Kour Birdi (The Nominated Member)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, as you can see apart from being new, I do not know how to use these buttons. My names are hon. Sunjeev Kour Birdi. I am honored to be a nominated Member of Parliament from the United Republican Party (URP). Hon. Speaker, Sir, I would like to bring a few things into perspective. There are two things that are very close to my heart. One is corruption and the other one is health. I mention corruption because apparently corruption has become a tradition in our country. A colleague mentioned something about the private sector. The reason the private sector is used to giving bribery is because you find it easier to get a job done quickly. It comes down to red tape. We need to know how to round the system so that doing business in our country can be easier and thus increase the revenue. If you go to Eastleigh on a Friday afternoon or Lunga Lunga Road in Makadara, you will see the City Council workers there manhandling the employees of Makadara over kitu kidogo so that they can get their businesses going. I wish we could address this matter. Hon. Speaker, Sir, the other thing I would like to mention is clean water. There are very many boreholes that were drilled irregularly within Nairobi City, and they are not capped properly. Do not be surprised to learn that cancer is increasing in our country because of the chemicals that go into the boreholes of the water that people drink. I will bring up the remaining two issues at some other time. I would like to, lastly, congratulate you, hon. Speaker, for being elected to this House; and President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto for their election. Thank you very much.

  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, hon. Kamama.

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  • for the third time. This is because of delivery; it is not because of just selling rhetoric and empty promises. Hon. Speaker, Sir, let me now go to the substantive issue of this afternoon. Our President gave a very wonderful address, which is a road map. In fact, in Hebrew, it is called “ kadima”. He has given us a road map of policies, especially the nine pillars that will transform this country’s economy from the agrarian economy that we have now to an industrial economy. From then we should move to knowledge economy, where most pastoral countries are. So, I want to say that the President is a serious man. I worked with him in the last Parliament. I worked with the Deputy President as his deputy in the Ministry of Higher Education, Science and Technology, and I want to confirm to the House that these are leaders who will work for this country beyond the call of duty. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the President for confirming that devolution will be the main policy that he will implement but I want us to harmonise the territorial issue that we have between the Governors and the County Commissioners. It should be addressed, as a matter of concern. I congratulate him for mentioning about the laptop computers because while he was in charge of the Ministry of Finance, he actually implemented devolution. We have quite a number of projects in our constituencies that were actually the product of hon. Uhuru Kenyatta’s leadership. Leading a country does not require rocket science or nuclear physics. It requires serious leadership that is prepared to get things done; a leadership that is competent and dedicated, and which is manned by people who are ready to work. I am happy that we are going to vet these people. Kenyans are going to learn from the vetting, especially by those we elected today; that when you start with corruption you will never get to a big office. So, it is now over to you Leader of the Majority Party. Let us make sure that all the Cabinet Secretaries and the Principal Secretaries are well vetted. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I have many issues to speak on but let me, first, talk about the issue of remuneration. Salaries all over the world can never be on a downward trajectory. They are always on an upward trajectory unless you are in a failed state like Afghanistan, Somalia and Syria. Since Kenya has a stable economy, let us not joke about performance. Let us pay Members of Parliament very well, so that they can deliver up to midnight, just the way we delivered in the last Parliament. Looking at the current remuneration package for Members of Parliament, one realises that the members of staff of this Assembly have better terms than parliamentarians. We want them to have those better terms but we want parliamentarians to be given their rightful share as enshrined in the Constitution and as recommended by the Akiwumi Commission and the Cocker Commission.
  • Hon. Speaker

    I will have the hon. Member at that corner.

  • Onesmas Kimani Ngunjiri (The Member for Bahati)

    Mhe. Spika, jina langu ni Onesmas Kimani Ngunjiri kutoka sehemu ya uwakilishi ya Bahati. Kwanza, ningependa kuwashukuru wakazi wa Bahati kwa kunichagua na kuweka rekodi. Kutoka mwaka wa 1963, Mbunge aliyechaguliwa kwa kura nyingi zaidi katika eneo Bunge hilo ni mimi, Kimani Ngunjiri. Kwa hivyo, ninawashukuru sana watu wa Bahati. Pia ningependa kukupongeza, mhe. Spika, kwa kuteuliwa kuwa Spika wetu. Pili, ningependa kuichangia Hoja tunayoizungumzia leo kuhusu Hotuba ya Rais wetu. Mara nyingi, ndoto humsumbua mwenye kuota lakini siyo mwenye kutafsiriwa. Rais wetu anajua anachozungumzia. Sidhani kama kuna rais aliyechaguliwa na kura

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  • nyingi kama yeye. Kwa hivyo, alipokuwa akizunguka kila mahali, alijua umuhimu wa watoto wa shule kuwa na laptop. Ningependa kusema kwamba mjukuu wangu mwenye umri wa miaka minne na nusu anajua kutumia simu ya rununu. Kwa hivyo, ni bora kuanza kuwafundisha watoto wetu kutumia komputa. Itakuwa jambo la kawaida kwao kutumia komputa wanapokua. Niliwasikia baadhi ya Wabunge wenzangu wakilalamika kuhusu stima. Si lazima uwe na stima ndiyo utumie laptop. Kuna stima kutoka kwa miale ya jua, ambayo inaweza kufanya kazi mpaka chini ya miti na hata chini ya kitanda. Kwa hivyo, kuanza kuwafundisha watoto wetu kutumia computa ni jambo la maana sana. Kuhusu suala la kuwaondolea akina mama kodi ya kujifungua hospitalini, ninamshukuru sana Rais lakini kuna jambo ambalo ningependa kuongezea. Tangu nilipochaguliwa, nimekuwa na shida ya maskini ambao wamekuwa na shida ya kutoa miili ya watoto wao kutoka kwenye vyumba vya kuhifadhia maiti. Tukiwauliza Wabunge walioko hapa watathibitisha kwamba shida kubwa inayotukabili ni malipo ya gharama za kuhifadhi maiti. Kuna haja ya kuliangazia jambo hili. Nilikuwa na mtu mmoja mwenye shida hiyo juzi. Nikawa na mwingine leo. Nilipoenda hospitali niliambiwa ni lazima nilipe pesa kidogo halafu nionyeshe kwamba tuna njia ya kuweza kutafuta pesa hizo, kama vile Harambee ama njia nyingine yoyote. Kama tunavyojua, Harambee imesimamishwa. Kwa hivyo, ninaomba suala la malipo ya kuhifadhiwa maiti liangaziwe ili maskini wapewe nafasi ya kupumua. Kuhusu kilimo, Rais alizungumza mambo mazuri sana lakini kuna jambo ambalo limetokea. Katika sekta ya ukulima, tungepitisha sheria kwamba si lazima mbolea iuzwe kwa kilo hamsini. Ukiangalia wale maskini ambao wana shamba ndogo, utakuta kwamba hawawezi kutumia mbolea kwa sababu hawana pesa ya kuinunua. Ningependa jambo hili liangaziwe sana. Mbolea inafaa ipimwe kwa kiwango ambacho maskini anaweza kununua. Mbolea inafaa ipimwe katika kilo kumi au kilo 20 ili maskini aweze kuitumia ili apate mazao ya kutosha. Inafaa tuzingatie mambo haya wakati tunapojadiliana hapa. Kuna mambo ambayo tunaongea lakini hayaonyeshi mapenzi yetu kwa wenye kutuchagua.
  • Ningependa Wabunge wote, wawe ni wale wa CORD au wa Jubilee waungane. Inafaa tufanye kazi pamoja kama Wabunge ambao wanafikiria mambo ya Kenya. Tukishirikiana tutawasaidia watu wetu. Watu wetu wanangojea kuona vile tutazungumzia au kutatua shida zao. Watu wetu hawako tayari kuona upishi tulionao katika Bunge hili.
  • Mhe. Spika, nikimalizia, ningependa kusema kwamba katika Kaunti ya Nakuru, Wabunge ambao wamechaguliwa tena ni watatu pekee, na Wabunge wageni ni wanane. Kaunti yetu iko na Wabunge kumi na moja. Mhe. Spika, usitusukume mpaka tufike kiwango ambacho nimeona Mheshimiwa mwenzangu akizunguka tangu tulipoingia hapa ili aweze “kukamata macho yako.” Tafuta njia ili uweze kujua Wabunge wa Kaunti ya Nakuru kwa sababu tumeachwa nyuma kwa muda mrefu sana. Ukiangalia mambo ya uteuzi---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, the hon. Ole Kenta!

  • Richard Moitalel ole Kenta (The Member for Narok North)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I should, first of all, start by stating that my name is Moitalel ole Kenta, the Member for Narok North. I would also like to congratulate, across the board, everybody. I also want to thank the people who elected me to Parliament.

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  • The Speech of the President of the Republic of Kenya actually met the needs and expectations of the Kenyan people. The issue of education showed that he cares for the Kenyan child from the age of maturity up to the age of 35 years. He said that he will create a generation of Kenyans who know what they are doing and will compete in the world. We thank him for that and we want to assure him that we will give him maximum support.
  • The issues that I would like to speak on are many but I would like to zero in on a few. One of them is land. Can you form a community that has been marginalized as far as the issue of land is concerned? I would like to thank His Excellency the President for saying that he will support the National Land Commission. That Commission is very important especially for the Maasai people. I believe that the lady from the Coast said the same thing.
  • Land issues have been the worst disrupter of peace in our time and this issue must be solved once and for all. I urge His Excellency the President to address the historical land issues so that the people can feel that they are part and parcel of Kenya. They have said that they have lost land and this has not been addressed. When we talk about settlement, they also have landless people but nobody thinks about them. So, I would like to say that if there is any land in any place, the first people who should be given the first priority must be the local people.
  • When it comes to agriculture, we also have agricultural activities like wheat farming, livestock husbandry and production, and this has not been addressed adequately since Independence.
  • On agriculture, the local people get loans from the Agricultural Finance Corporation (AFC) but they are unable to till their land now because when the vagaries of nature affect them, they never recover. We are saying that just like coffee farmers, the loans given to wheat farmers by the AFC must also be written off. This will make all Kenyans feel equal instead of thinking that some sections or areas are protected.
  • The other issue I want to address concerns infrastructure. I come from Narok North Constituency. There is a road that links Nakuru and Narok and that is where wheat and barley comes from but it is not tarmacked. Forty to 50 kilometers are not tarmacked. Any place that is within Narok is not tarmacked. The road from Nakuru to Narok is tarmacked. We are saying that, that must be given the first priority so that people from Narok can also earn their livelihood. It is not really a favour but it is a right because they are also taxpayers.
  • On the youth, we have many activities in relation to tourism. We are saying that the Maasai Mara-Narok Road is in a pathetic condition. We are saying, and it has been said that the road has been left in that state so that people can charter aircraft. So, it is benefiting some people at the expense of the local people. We are saying that, that road should be tarmacked up to the game reserve.
  • That also touches on the Maasai youth. While all the lodges in that area employ the youth, the Maasai youth have been left out of those jobs. So, when you talk about the youth, it is not fair to import labour when the youth in that area are languishing in poverty because they do not have jobs and yet they are qualified to do them. We are saying that there should be equity.
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  • On education, I thank the President for thinking about the laptops. Let Kenyans forever know that they can afford anything as long as they put their minds in it. I believe that if this Parliament supports the President, as he said that we support the legislative agenda that he will bring to this House, I am sure that we will be okay. I believe that the child, especially in the rural area has been looking for this opportunity and I thank the President for that. That child can start on an equal footing with the urban child. I believe that this is possible because we have enough sunshine and we have enough labour to make those computers because the President said that they will be assembled locally.
  • The last issue I would like to talk about concerns health care. The rural women---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, the Member for Rangwe!

  • George Oner Ogalo (The Member for Rangwe)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. First of all, I would like to congratulate you on your election and that of the Deputy Speaker. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the people of Rangwe, Kegano, Kochia and Gem for finding it wise to elect me to this House. I would also like to pay tribute to my late mother, Mama Philegona Onyango who passed away shortly before I was elected.

  • George Oner Ogalo (The Member for Rangwe)

    On the Speech of the President, I would like to support it. The Speech was very good and for the people of Rangwe, it is good because he touched on four main things that we find dear to our people.

  • George Oner Ogalo (The Member for Rangwe)

    The first one is education management. The president said that he would like his Government to ensure that no pupil or Kenyan leaves school before the age of 18. Coupled with that, I would like to request this House to ensure that under our Budget and Appropriations Committee, staffing levels in all schools improve and that our teachers are motivated to teach in our schools.

  • George Oner Ogalo (The Member for Rangwe)

    I would like this House to go into round two of school infrastructure programme to improve school infrastructure throughout the country. I would also like to request this House to ensure that the teachers and the District Education officers do not levy ad hoc fees. When I was at home during the sports day, I heard students were sent away from school because they had not paid sports levies. If sports are part of the curriculum, they should be covered under free primary education. If they are not, this has to end.

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  • George Oner Ogalo (The Member for Rangwe)

    If sports are not part of the curriculum, we must remove them from there. As long as sports are part of the curriculum, free primary education must be used to pay for sports. Schools should not levy ad hoc fees.

  • George Oner Ogalo (The Member for Rangwe)

    I also request this House to ensure immediate abolition of examination fees. It is gross violation of human rights to ask somebody to go to school and then force him to confirm that he has learnt. I think that is grossly unfair and if the education department does not want to examine schools, let them remove the examination and not levy fees unnecessarily.

  • George Oner Ogalo (The Member for Rangwe)

    Hon. Speaker, the other topic the President talked about which is important to us, the people of Rangwe is infrastructure. We would like to see equitable distribution of infrastructural projects. We would also like to see roads being built all over the country in an equitable manner. We, the people of Rangwe would like to see Rodi Kopany-Oyugis

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  • Road tarmacked and other auxiliary roads that serve our constituency. As people of Homa Bay County, we would like to see stabilization of power supply to Homa Bay because we have had serious problems of blackouts. Industries cannot perform in Homa Bay Town because of power blackouts.
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  • The President talked about industrialization and I would like to thank him for bringing up this and making it an agenda for his Government. With the Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP), Round II, for us in Rangwe Constituency, we have our pineapples, sugarcane, milk, poultry and fish industries to support the ESP. Hon. Speaker, Sir, the President talked of devolution and I thank him for assuring the country that devolution is not a choice but a constitutional matter. The greatest threat to devolution now is not the County Commissioners. The great threat to devolution is the Transition Authority (TA). The TA has appointed people to the counties as interim officials. These interim officials would not want to be interim; they would want to continue and they have a hidden agenda, especially in Homa Bay, to ground the Governor in two years. We must make sure that these transition officials are out of the counties and the governors are allowed to employ their own people to run those counties. The Authority---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up!

  • Wanjiku Muhia (Nyandarua County Women Representative)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir, for knowing my county today. Before I comment on the Presidential Speech, I wish to congratulate you too for being elected to be the leader of this House as the Speaker. I see this House as very able but I am wondering about this system you are using. During induction, we were told that this is a House of order. I am wondering whether this system is the one to be used for the next five years. I was asking whether it is not possible to do in batches, so that I know, for example, that I will be between numbers one to 20 and that, that batch will present in a particular day until the end. However, that is just a by the way and food for thought. With regard to the Presidential Speech, I am a young mother and so I would like to speak about the laptops. I see the laptop idea as a great one to this nation because the children will get exposure and it is interesting in learning. Our children will have a feel of technology at an early stage, unlike us who saw computers at the college level. I thought that a computer was something that could eat me up. So, the children will see the computers, play with them and after all, we are moving to a paperless era. In some banks you just go and deposit your money without filling any deposit slips. We deposit money today using the ATMs without any paperwork. So, it is cheaper to use a laptop in the long run. On Members who are speaking of children who learn under trees, I am imaging a child holding a laptop and a book to write on, which is more convenient? I think it is the laptop. In addition, maybe some hon. Members do not have goodwill for our President. If today I promise my child a cake, I cannot go and do my mathematics and say: “I found it wise to pay your school fees.” I must bring that cake because the child will not understand. This promise was made and it has to be fulfilled. A good example is my six year old daughter who was able to improve on her position from No.7 to No.3 because

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  • she kept on telling me that Mr. Kenyatta said they would get laptops. So, you can see that the children are already motivated and if this Jubilee Government does not deliver this promise, the children will curse them forever. It is a good promise in the first place and it has all the advantages and so we should side with him and go for it. Secondly, I would like to speak about food security. This country is rich and for us to have food security, it will go hand in hand with infrastructure. A good example is where I come from, Nyandarua County. We only need good infrastructure and we can buy a packet of milk at less than Kshs40. Time and again you have seen in the newspapers that in Nyandarua County, some places like Kinangop, farmers pour down milk or potatoes rot in the farms because roads are impassible. So, if we open up our infrastructure countrywide, food security will not be an issue. I wish to tell this House that farmers from Nyandarua County are committed to feed this country. Therefore, with good infrastructure, we will be done with food security. On the youth and talents, which is in the Jubilee manifesto and the President talked about it, I wish to add my voice on the issue of community with special needs. This team has great talents. I have witnessed deaf Olympians time and again in Canada and China and I have realized that in our country we do not motivate this team.
  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up! Please realize that the people seated next to the Speaker are likely not to catch the Speaker’s eye. I think it is a problem because the gadget is not working.

  • Chrisantus Wamalwa Wakhungu (The Member for Kiminini)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity. After staying here for so long, I was about to give up but lucky enough you saw me and I thank you. First, I want to congratulate you for being elected the Speaker. I also want to thank the people of Kiminini for giving me this opportunity to serve in this House. On the Presidential Speech, it was wonderful but all wonders have room for improvement and just like Winston Churchill once said, a great thing has room for improvement. Indeed, the President’s Speech has room for improvement. First on education matters, when you look at the value supply chain of the education system starting from the early childhood up to university level, you realize that the President’s focus was mostly at the primary level but when you go to higher learning, it was overlooked. At Independence, countries like Korea and Malaysia were at the same level as Kenya but at the moment these countries are way beyond. They are way beyond because they have invested heavily in higher learning. They have invested heavily in research and development. As a former scholar, we expect His Excellency the President to have gone further to improve the higher learning of this country. Maybe more allocation should be given to the Higher Education Loans Board (HELB) to give more opportunities for those people to advance in learning. Many lecturers have been up and down to advance their studies but unfortunately we have had lack of funds. So, we expect His Excellency the President to have gone further to give a commitment on how universities are going to be given money so that the professors or whoever is there can advance. Secondly, on healthcare, it is indeed very important what the President said when it comes to maternity cases. Research has shown that we have very high rates of morbidity and mortality among pregnant women and children under the age of five. As much as a lot of focus has been given to maternity cases, we expect His Excellency the

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  • President to have gone further and maybe given a provision for those who are at the age of five years. The two are mutually inclusive. There is great correlation between the under fives in terms of primary health care and how they are going to behave in the late ages. So many times when you go to the rural villages, many health care problems affect the under fives. So, what are we going to do? We call upon the Jubilee Government to look into the welfare of the under fives. It should look into how they can be helped, the same way it has helped in maternity matters.
  • Now, with regard to the youth and women fund, I would like to congratulate the President for the Kshs6 billion that he committed to give to the youth. The assumption is that, that money was going to be used in the second round of the general elections. Fortunately, Kenyans gave him the win in the first round. That means that if we had a run-off, that money would not be there. But because that money was meant for something and it is there, my humble request is: Instead of that money being given at a zero interest rate, it should be given to the youth for free. That is because it had already been provided for. Then, from the businesses that you are talking about, research has shown that most of them in this country fail within the first two to three years. So, my humble request is: That money should be given to the youth, especially where I come from in Trans Nzoia County. There are so many boda boda businesses. This is my humble request to the Jubilee Government.
  • Hon. Speaker, Sir, on food security, you cannot talk about it without touching on maize. You cannot talk about maize without talking about Trans Nzoia. I appreciate because the President talked about modernization of agriculture. We are happy that in Trans Nzoia County---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up! The lady who is at the last row. Hon. Members, you will appreciate that I must keep changing and recognize people who have been here throughout.

  • Eusilah Jepkosgei Ngeny

    Hon. (Ms.) Ngeny) Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I am Eusilah Ngeny from Uasin Gishu County. I want to congratulate you and your Deputy for being elected as our national Speakers. I would like to congratulate all hon. Members for being elected to the Eleventh Parliament. I also want to thank the people of Uasin Gishu County for electing me as the Women County Representative. I want to appreciate the Speech of His Excellency the President because, one, it talked about fighting corruption. He mentioned all the on-going projects within the country and promised that they will be completed. One thing that I would like to say is that the projects are on-going. I have one project in Uasin Gishu County, that is the highway from Timboroa to Eldoret. I think the contractor is corrupt because he has excluded the climbing lanes. He has also failed to complete the road construction. For sure, as Members of Parliament, we want to fight corruption as much as we can so that our work can be seen on the ground. With regard to education, our young sons and daughters are really waiting for those laptops. Let us all join hands and, together with Mr. President, ensure that the laptops reach their destination. We all know that the foundation of good leadership and education starts from day one, that is Class One. We will really appreciate as young parents.

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  • With regard to agriculture, Uasin Gishu County is the bread basket of Kenya. We really appreciate agriculture; if only the fertilizer reached its destination earlier for our people to plant their crops on time. There is one issue about food security. We can grow our maize and all the crops within the country, but if the infrastructure – that is the roads within out counties – is not well done, we will be doing nothing. Lastly, he mentioned about education. We know we are in a difficult generation. We will support the Ministry in charge of education for us to move forward and compete with other countries. Thank you and God bless you.
  • Hon. Speaker

    The hon. Member nearest to the Speaker’s left.

  • Daniel Kazungu Muzee (The Member for Malindi)

    Finally, I get noticed! Thank you so much, hon. Speaker, Sir. Over the weekend, I was joking with my son that, maybe, it is about time I shaved all my hair so that this week, the hon. Speaker can notice me. So, thank you so much for giving me this opportunity. My name is hon. Daniel Kazungu, Member of Parliament for Malindi. I want, first of all, to thank the people of Malindi for electing me to this august House, to be with my former college-mate and Majority Leader, hon. Aden Duale and also hon. Keynan. We were together at Moi University. So, it is a good opportunity for me to join them here. Hon. Speaker, Sir, first of all, I want to congratulate you and your deputy for the great win. It was a deserved win and I am confident that with your stewardship, we will achieve great heights in this House in terms of legislation. I am here honoured to represent the people of Malindi and I will do my best to do that. Turning to the Presidential Speech, I think it was outstanding. It is interesting that when I was leaving my employer - Higen Corporation - the largest ICT company in the world, I left all that to go and serve my people in rural Malindi and, of course, together with Malindi Town as well. I was driven by the nine-point agenda which the President talked about. For me, that was incredible. That the President can come over here and talk about the same nine-point agenda that drove me out of the big corporate world to go and serve my people. But like any great thing, we know the devil is in the details. Detail number one is the issue of land. We all know at the Coast - and especially in Malindi – that there is a big problem with land. The land issue is very serious. I know the President is keen on that because he said he wants to work with the National Land Commission (NLC). I think when he talked so much about land being looked at more like a factor of production I tend to disagree with him there because land is about heritage, peoples’ shelter and peoples’ dignity. I say that we need to look at land seriously. He should be focusing on land issues like yesterday. It is true that on the issue of food security, we all know how much water has been wasted right now. It is wasted through rivers as the water flows down to the Indian Ocean. We need to start doing the damming projects the President was talking about, as a matter of urgency as well. That way, we can do irrigation as opposed to relying on rain-fed agriculture. On the issue of water, in rural Malindi today, I know of mothers who wake up in the morning to look for water 20 kilometres away. That cannot be acceptable in the 21st Century in Kenya. Hopefully, the Jubilee Government will do its best to ensure that mothers have time to do other things so that homes are as productive as possible. On the issue of

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  • education, I will go straight to the issue of laptops. As you know, I am an ICT expert on African markets having worked for IBM for the last ten years. Like one of the hon. Members said here, we need to support the Jubilee Government and our President to ensure that these laptops are delivered. Our focus should be more on content and relevant content in our Kenyan context today. Those laptops are crucial for the development of our kids. We have to ensure that they are delivered here as promised by the Jubilee Government. Those of us who come from the rural communities and we do not have the infrastructure, need to go headlong in ensuring that the infrastructure is upgraded so that we have these notebooks for our kids. They are very important. My six year old daughter can get into my phone and access
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  • to watch her favourite cartoons. So, this is possible and we have to ensure that we encourage our kids to join the digital generation now more than ever before.
  • Joseph Samal Lomwa (The Member for Isiolo North)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. My names are Joseph Samal Lomwa. I am the Member of Parliament for Isiolo North. Isiolo is a cosmopolitan county, more so my constituency. Yesterday I was joking with a friend and he told me that I represent the Turkana in diaspora. I am a Turkana but I was born in Isiolo and I represent the interests of a cosmopolitan nature of the people of Isiolo North Constituency. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank you and your Deputy for being elected. I join my colleagues in congratulating you. With regard to the President’s Speech, I know that with regard to the policy statements that the President gave during his inauguration some were touching on the aspect of northern Kenya. He touched on some of the projects earmarked for development in the northern part of this country; one of those projects is the LAPPSET I. The one that comes from Lamu through Isiolo, which is the central part of Kenya, then joins Ethiopia and Sudan through Turkana County. It also goes through Marsabit. This project is going to improve the livelihood of the people of Isiolo and those residing along the transport corridor. It is going to contribute a lot to the economy of Kenya. This is something which, if well implemented, will definitely improve our economy.

  • Joseph Samal Lomwa (The Member for Isiolo North)

    However, Hon. Speaker, Sir, when thinking about such projects, we need to also think about the livelihood systems of people. This project touches on land. We know that land is one thing that is important in our economy. Isiolo still falls under trust land. The same is true for most of the counties in the northern part of Kenya. Adjudication of land is a paramount issue. If we remain as trust land and there are huge projects of this nature being implemented in this region then--- We know it comes with a lot of displacement and a lot of land being taken away from the people. The President talked about protecting people when it comes to land issues. Projects such as this one will be of help to people. Adjudication of land will protect the land and it will ensure that legitimate concerns of the people are taken care of. The other thing the President talked about is insecurity. He mentioned something about sporting activities. He talked about the five stadia. I want to put a request before this House that when we start talking about how we are going to distribute the five stadia we need to have one situated between Isiolo and Samburu. In fact, we call it the Isiolo Triangle. That way we will be able to promote peace and harmonious existence of people

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  • in the region. We will then have sporting activities that will include the Samburus, Ntoimagas, the people from Meru, the Duales, the Ledepes and the Merwakis. These people will use such a stadium to exploit their talents. We could have somebody becoming a millionaire in just three minutes. We have people like Farah; you saw him during the international sports---
  • Joyce Wanjalah Lay (Taita Taveta County Women Representative)

    Ahsante sana mhe. Spika. Ningependa kukupongeza kwa kuchaguliwa kuwa Spika wa Bunge hili. Aidha ningependa kuwapa shukrani kubwa wakaazi wa Taita Taveta kwa kunichagua kama mwakilishi wao. Natoa shukrani kubwa kwa Rais. Kuna mambo machache katika hotuba yake ambayo ningependa kuangazia ambayo aliyataja kwa uzito sana. Kwanza ni elimu. Yeye anataka kupeleka elimu yetu katika kiwango cha juu. Alitaja mambo ya laptops. Sisi tuliochaguliwa kama viongozi inatupasa tuangazie masuala ya elimu ikiwa tutataka kupeleke elimu katika ngazi ya juu. Tukiseme tutawapatia watoto laptop na walimu waendelee kugoma kwa ajili ya mambo ya mishahara basi elimu haitakuwa imepanda katika kiwango cha juu. Rais aliangazia suala la mashamba. Suala la ardhi ni nyeti katika nchi yetu yote. Mimi nikiwa mkazi wa pwani naweza kusema kwamba suala hili lilimnyima Rais kura kule pwani. Ukweli lazima tuusema. Hata kama tungeenda raundi ya pili bado tusingempa kura kwa ajili ya jambo hilo. Ni jambo ambalo limeleta utata sana pale pwani. Wakazi wa pwani wengi hawajamiliki ardhi. Hawana vyeti vya ardhi. Hii imeleta machungu kwa miaka mingi. Naiomba serikali hii pamoja na viongozi waliochaguliwa waweze kutatua suala hili ili lisitumiwe wakati watu wanatafuta kura, kwa mfano, kuzawadia watu ekari fulani za ardhi. Kitu ambacho unapeana wakati unatafuta kura hatutahesabu. Ni kama vile unaenda kuchumbia msichana mrembo. Unapomchumbia unampa zawadi hapa na pale. Wakati unapomwoa hutohesabu kwamba ulimpa hiki ama kile. Wakati umemwoa ni jukumu lako kumtunza. Kwa sababu Rais Uhuru amepata nafasi ya kuongoza nchi hii, ninayo matumaini kwamba ataliangazia suala hili la ardhi ili liwe ni historia. Amalize mambo haya wakati huu akiwa kiongozi. Masuala yote ambayo watu wa Mkoa wa Pwani wanataka kumwuliza sasa wanayo fursa kufanya hivyo. Mhe. Spika, vile vile, Rais alizungumzia utalii. Katika Kaunti ya Taita Taveta tuna shida ya ugomvi baina ya wanyamapori na binadamu. Haswa, upande wa Mwakitao, kila wakati unapata kwamba binadamu wameuawa na mimea kuharibiwa na wanyama. Ninajua kwamba tunaweza kupata suluhu ya hali hii. Wakenya wako na matumaini mengi sana kwa sababu ya huu uongozi ambao umekuja katika mfumo wa katiba mpya. Ni matumaini ya Wakenya kwamba tutaweza kuitekeleza Katiba na kuangazia masuala yanayowadhuru, ugomvi baina ya wanyamapori na binadamu likiwa mojawapo. Nimepata fursa ya kuwasikiza viongozi kutoka matabaka mbalimbali. Suala lililoibuka ni kwamba shida ya maji imeenea katika taifa nchi yetu ya Kenya. Sitasema kwamba shida hiyo iko Taita Taveta peke yake ama kwenye eneo la pwani peke yake. Kila mmoja wetu hapa ameangazia masuala ya maji na barabara. Kwa hivyo, tukishirikiana kama viongozi, tunaweza kuzitatua shida hizi, kwa sababu ukimpatia binadamu maji ni kama kwamba umempatia dawa.

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  • Wengi wa wale wanaoadhirika kwa sababu ya ukosefu wa maji ni akina mama. Mwanamke akiamka ni lazima apange jamii yake itakula nini. Asubuhi ni lazima mwanamke aende kuchota maji mbali, na labda ana mtoto mgongoni ama ni mjamzito. Kwa hivyo, hili ni suala ambalo tunafaa kuliangazia katika nchi yetu ili kuhakikisha kwamba binadamu wamepata maji na kuona kwamba kuna barabara nzuri za kupelekea mavuno yao sokoni na pia---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up, hon. Joyce. Yes, Member for Emurua Dikirr.

  • Johana Ngeno Kipyegon (The Member for Emurua Dikirr)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir, for noticing my presence at long last. First, I would like to congratulate you for occupying the third-most powerful office of the land. Congratulations! I would also like to thank the people of Emurua Dikirr, who took their time to make me their first Member of Parliament. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I would also like to congratulate the President for their success and for giving this House and the whole nation a Speech and policies, which we believe can enable this nation to prosper. I would like to quote what my colleague, hon. Nyiva Mwendwa said, that these policies have been there and it is the hon. Members of this House who can cause them to be implemented. It is true that this nation has been a great architect of policies, most of which have been gathering dust in shelves. We believe that the policies that the President made to this nation will be implemented. I would like to look, especially at the issue of agriculture. The President talked much about agriculture. I come from the Rift Valley region, which has been the grain basket of this nation but this time round, it has missed out because nobody in government has looked at the agriculture sector in totality. That region used to be a great producer of tea, maize, wheat and pyrethrum but the previous government failed to look into those particular sub-sectors. I believe that the current Government, especially given that the Deputy President comes from that region, will make sure that the agriculture sector is resurrected, so that we can help this nation. Secondly, I would like to touch on infrastructure, which the President talked about. This nation has lagged behind in terms of development because of poor roads. I remember in history a country called Germany, which was actually bombed and reduced to debris in the Second World War. The economy of that country resurrected because her leadership put a lot of effort in infrastructure. The leadership in Kenya should identify those areas with the potential of contributing to the growth of this country and build roads. I believe that this nation will rise to the standards of other nations. I come from an area where when people talk about tarmac roads they have to travel for more than 50 kilometres to see what it is. I would like this Government to devolve the infrastructure. Currently, most of the good roads, especially the superhighways, are concentrated in one particular area. We would wish to hear of a superhighway in my constituency, so that our people can also benefit from this Government. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I would also like to talk about health. Most Kenyans cannot access health facilities due to one reason or another. I would like to appreciate the fact that the President---

  • Hon. Speaker

    Yes, hon. Jessica Mbalu.

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  • April 23, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 38 The Member for Kibwezi East

    (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Hon. Speaker, Sir, my name is Jessica Mbalu. I represent Kibwezi East Constituency. I thank you for giving me this opportunity to contribute to the Presidential Address but before I do so, I want to congratulate you and your deputy on your election. I would also like to congratulate the hon. Members who have been elected to this House. Above all, I want to thank the people of Kibwezi East for overwhelmingly electing me to represent them in this House. I want them to know that I will never let them down. Hon. Speaker, Sir, what is contained in the Presidential Address is a vision of where His Excellency wants to take this country in the next four-and-a-half years to five years – the biggest challenge, especially given the time. I want to talk about some issues that are very close to my heart, namely, street families. You can conceive an idea but the challenge is whether you are going to ensure that your idea gets to the right people. The first issue is about land. I come from a constituency where land has been an issue. His Excellency the President was very categorical on this issue when he said that it is important for this country to see that land is a factor of production. Indeed, land is a factor of production but in order for it to be truly a factor of production, some issues need to be addressed. In this country, land has been politicized and sensationalized to the level that we have not been able to get the full benefit of land. There are issues of land adjudication and issuance of title deeds and most hon. Members have talked about them. Hon. Speaker, Sir, in Kibwezi East, 99 per cent of the residents, including hon. Jessica Mbalu, do not have title deeds. We are forced to pay Government fee which is high to the land adjudication officials. In Masongaleni, my people pay Kshs50,000 and above, together with the costs, yet this was a settlement scheme set aside for the people who were moved from Chyulu Hills. How I wish the issue of land adjudication can be expedited by the President, so that the people of Kibwezi East, and other areas of this country, can have title deeds to their land. He talked about this issue in his Address very well. Without title deeds, we cannot access credit from financial institutions, nor can we access loans from other organizations which require security in terms of title deed. We can also not improve the standards of living, or create wealth, in Kibwezi East.

  • April 23, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 38 The Member for Kibwezi East

    The second issue is about tourism. His Excellency the President stated very clearly that there is need to improve the tourism sector in this country. The number of tourists coming to this country should be increased. I agree with that because it is a critical sector. However, the problems facing the sector should be addressed.

  • The Member for Kuria East

    (Hon. (Eng.) Manga): Ahsante sana Mhe. Spikar. Nilikuwa ninafikiri kwamba upande huu wetu una giza kwa sababu hukuwa unatuona; sasa ninashukuru sana kwa sababu umeniona.

  • The Member for Kuria East

    Ningependa kukupongeza kwa kuchaguliwa kuwa Spika katika Bunge la Katiba mpya. Pia, ningependa kuwapongeza wenzangu waliochaguliwa kuja katika Bunge hili, ambalo ni kubwa sana.

  • The Member for Kuria East

    Mhe. Spikar, kama ulivyotaja, mimi ni mhandisi Shadrack Manga, Mbunge wa Kuria Mashariki. Ningependa kusema kwamba kwa miaka mingi iliyopita, hatujapata hotuba ya kuchemsha, ya vitendo na ya kuonyesha uzalendo kama tuliyopata kutoka kwa Mhe. Rais wetu. Leo, tunauzungumzia vipengele vyake. Nilifurahi sana kwa sababu vipengele kuhusu amani, elimu na kutuinua kutoka kwa umaskini. Hizi ndizo zilikuwa ahadi zangu kwa wananchi nilipokuwa nikiwaomba kura.

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  • Mhe. Spikar, haya mambo matatu ni ya maana sana. Mhe. Rais ametuhakikishia kwamba tukiungana naye Kenya itakuwa moja, na tukijitolea tutakuwa na amani. Bila amani hakuna maendeleo. Pia, watu wetu hawawezi kupiga hatua bila elimu. Tunafurahi sana kwamba Mhe. Rais wetu amefikiria juu ya watoto wetu. Alisema kwamba hata wale watoto wachanga, waanze kufundishwa kutumia l aptop . Hii ni kusema watumie komputa. Kama ninavyojua hii ni teknolojia ambayo ni mpya. Kama hili jambo linawezekana, na nina hakika linawezekana, basi tutakuwa tumepiga hatua hasa katika nchi zetu za Afrika. Tutawanoa watoto wetu na wataongoza siku za usoni.
  • Mhe. Spikar, unajua kwamba sisi tuna shida, hasa sisi ambao tumekuwa tukiomba kura kutoka kwa wananchi kwa sababu ya umaskini. Umaskini wetu unanuka kila mahari. Kwa hivyo, kama kutakuwa na njia, na Rais wetu ataweza kuleta njia ya kuweza kupunguza umaskini wa watu wetu, basi litakuwa ni jambo la maana sana.
  • Tunamshukuru Mhe. Rais ambaye tuna hakika yeye ana damu ya kupenda watu na ya ujana, na ataweza kutekeleza mambo haya, bora tu sisi tunaomfuata tumsaidie.
  • Ninafurahi kwamba Rais anawafikiria akina mama ambao hujifungua. Hili limekuwa jambo ngumu sana. Mama anaweza kuwa anajifungua lakini anaogopa kwenda hospitali---
  • The Member for Ugunja

    (Hon. (Mr). Wandayi): Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, Sir. My name is Opiyo Wandayi, the Member for Ugunja. Ugunja is the newest constituency in Siaya County.

  • The Member for Ugunja

    I must start by joining my colleagues in congratulating you on your election as the Speaker. I also congratulate your Deputy. I must also say that I am encouraged by the way you have steered debate in this House so far, and I look forward to better times ahead. On the Presidential Address, I would like to say that there is a lot of optimism due to the Address. It is good to be optimistic but it is even better to be realistic. Indeed, it is much better to be practical. What I mean is that the President might mean well. Indeed, he, together with his Government, might have good intentions but unless he gathers courage to dismantle the bureaucracy that he has so happily inherited, his Jubilee Government and him might not go far in so far as achieving their objectives is concerned. Why do I say this? The bureaucracy that the President has inherited is the source of impunity in this country. Indeed, it is the biggest impediment to reforms in this country. So, I urge the President to summon the courage and dismantle this bureaucracy because he does not need legislation to do so. So, I ask the President to take courage and dismantle impunity.

  • The Member for Ugunja

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, on the issue of education, I want to point out that the Jubilee Government might not achieve much in so far as reforming education is concerned unless the issue of the welfare of teachers is addressed. We can give children laptops but unless we have teachers who are motivated, we shall not achieve much. The issue of motivating teachers must be given a lot of priority if this Government is to move forward in so far as their objective of addressing education is concerned. Again, we must have the courage to see the elephant in the room. The President has dwelt on decreasing the wage bill; that is fine but the biggest issues we have in the country are corruption and wastage. Part of the wastage in this country arises from commissions which are redundant. One of the most---

  • An hon. Member

    On a point of information!

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  • James Opiyo Wandayi (The Member for Ugunja)

    I am making my maiden speech!

  • James Opiyo Wandayi (The Member for Ugunja)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, one of the most redundant commissions is the Commission on the Implementation of the Constitution (CIC). My take - I believe this strongly -is that the work this Commission is purporting to do what can be adequately by a relevant Committee of this House. So I would like to urge Members of this House to take it upon themselves to ensure that in the next appropriations, we do justice to this Commission, so that it stops wasting money and dwelling on irrelevant matters. It is a commission that sits idle for a whole year and only releases statements here and there; these are the so called opinions, which are ignored and then its members continue sitting and wasting our people’s money.

  • James Opiyo Wandayi (The Member for Ugunja)

    On the question of land, the President has talked of irrigating a million acres every year. Unless the President and the Government address the question of land ownership, no amount of irrigation will help us; the biggest issue in this country is questioned land ownership. Article 60 of the Constitution talks about equitable access to land, and sustainable and effective management of land resources. The President and the Jubilee Coalition must give us their philosophy on land ownership if we are to take them seriously on the question of land.

  • James Opiyo Wandayi (The Member for Ugunja)

    Old habits die very hard. Of late, we have seen tendencies that border on what I would call authoritarianism. You see---

  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up!

  • The Member for Teso South

    (Hon. (Ms) Otucho): Hon. Speaker, Sir, thank you for seeing me at last.

  • Hon. Speaker

    The Chair is alive to all those who have been here since 2.30 p.m.

  • The Member for Teso South

    (Hon. (Ms) Otucho): Hon. Speaker, Sir, before I get to my comments, I want to join my sister in suggesting that your Office has to come up with a formula to ensure equitable distribution of opportunity to hon. Members. We want to see equal participation according to our numbers. I now take this opportunity to congratulate you on your election as the Speaker. I also congratulate all the hon. Members who were elected and nominated to the Eleventh Parliament. I want to say that the President’s Address was very commendable, and that most importantly it touched on the very pertinent issues that affect this nation; it was very sensitive to the plight of Kenyans, especially the ordinary mwananchi. I want to go straight to the issue of security. The President said that his Government is committed to ensuring that all citizens are able to live, work and worship in peace. He also said that this Government is committed to improving security and also improving the ratio to bring it closer to the UN ratio of one policeman to 450 people. Taking into consideration the insecurity incidents that have been witnessed across the country, I want to say that I commend him for that and I look forward to seeing a transformed, corrupt free, strengthened, more revamped and motivated police force. We want to see a police force that is sensitive to human life as opposed to what we are seeing. I come from a constituency that is at a border and before I continue, I think I want to take this opportunity to appreciate the people of Teso South. They have made a

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  • history. For once, they defied cultural barriers. For once, they rose above party dynamics and elected a woman on a URP ticket to represent them . I want to applaud my people. My constituency has been experiencing a lot of insecurity cases. Many people have been murdered; right now I know there are members of my constituency who are not sleeping in their own homes. There are people who cannot open their shops late because they are afraid that they will just be shot the next minute. I want to say that the Government has to increase its efforts to ensure that citizens of this country are protected. It is their fundamental right; everyone needs to be protected. I also want to comment on the issue of the youth and women funds. I do not want to add onto to what has been commented. All that I want to say is that it is commendable and will ensure that more women are involved in economic activities and development of this country as opposed to what has happened in the past. I want to echo what other hon. Members have said, that if we have to get value for money, there is need for this House as we formulate the framework for disbursement of that money; we should ensure that we incorporate mechanisms for capacity building. The youth and women need to be trained on the available alternatives or options that they need to use, such as how to manage the money. They should also have a supervisory team that should monitor to ensure that they do the right thing and put the money into proper use. I want to say that the Presidential Address was silent on the issue of elders. We have the elderly in our communities in this country. You all remember that in the last Government, we had what was called “a pilot project”. There was money that was disbursed through districts to elders on a pilot scheme basis. That also created a lot of discontent among other elders; in some locations, there were elders who were benefiting from that project while others were not. The question is: What is going to happen? What is the present Government---
  • Hon. Speaker

    Your time is up!

  • Mohamed Dahir Duale (The Member for Daadab)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this chance. First, I want to congratulate you and the Deputy Speaker for being elected to lead this House for the next five years. Secondly I want to also thank the people of Daadab for giving me this opportunity to serve them as a Member of Parliament for the next five years. On the Presidential Address, I have a number of comments that I will try to go over. Generally speaking, it was a great Address.

  • An hon. Member

    On a point of order, hon Speaker, Sir. I rise under Standing Order No.80 to say that a Member should not read a speech---

  • Hon. Speaker

    Are you in order to interrupt a Member making a maiden speech?

  • An hon. Member

    I stand guided!

  • Mohamed Dahir Duale (The Member for Daadab)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, thank you for protecting me. I am not reading a speech; I am only looking at the points. So I think the Address was very inspiring and great, and I want to comment on some issues. One is education and laptops. I think it is a great idea to provide laptops to school children, but in this country we have many challenges in the education sector. For example, the constituency that I represent has 16 primary schools with a total enrolment of 5,800 pupils and a total of 53 teachers. That is less than the number of teachers in some schools in urban centres in other parts of the country. I think it will be important to

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  • consider increasing teaching staff, classrooms and other infrastructure before we introduce laptops next year. The second issue I want to comment on is that of security. The constituency that I represent is at a border. In the last two years, the border has been closed. However, this did not contribute to the improvement of security there. The security situation has deteriorated. The border was closed when some tourists were kidnapped in Lamu. Some humanitarian staff were also kidnapped in Dadaab. The closure of the border is not fully enforced. We know that there is a lot of movement of people and goods across the border. The people who have actually---
  • (An hon. Member approached the Speaker)
  • Hon. Speaker

    Order! Can you go back! How long do you need to be in the House to know that you cannot just walk to the other side? You are in the House; not in a farm!

  • (Laughter)
  • (The hon. Member went to the Bar bowed to the Chair)
  • Mohamed Dahir Duale

    Can I continue hon. Speaker?

  • Hon. Speaker

    Continue.

  • Mohamed Dahir Duale

    I was talking about insecurity in Dadaab Constituency. In the last one year alone, more than 30 people have been killed by bandits in Dadaab Constituency. The security problem in Dadaab emanates from the closure of the border. That is because there is movement of goods through panya routes. The beneficiaries are security officers, bandits and a few businessmen. My appeal to the Uhuru Government is to open the border. That is because people in that part of the country depend on trade and movement. When you close the border, that contributes further to poverty and unemployment. Secondly, following the incident which happened in Garissa, the Government has actually given letters to some chiefs in my constituency. The information that we have is that the chiefs were asked to explain why they were involved in sugar smuggling. In my opinion, chiefs in those areas cannot be involved in sugar smuggling. We have many security men with vehicles and, actually, they are the ones who take bribes from the businessmen who bring in sugar. My appeal to the Government is that the border between Kenya and Somalia should be opened, because the people in the northern part of Kenya, particularly those who live along the border with Somalia, actually benefit from the trade along the common border. Thirdly, I would like to comment on the issue of health. His Excellency the President said that provision healthcare in health facilities in this country will be free. That is in dispensaries and health centres. In this country, we have about 5,000---

  • Hon. Speaker

    The hon. Member next to my right.

  • Moses Malulu Injendi (The Member for Malava Constituency)

    Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. My names are Moses Malulu Injendi, MP, Malava, Kakamega County.

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  • When I tell most of my friends about Malava, they always confuse it with Malaba, which is near the border. I am an MP of the Maendeleo Party; when it comes to coalition, you can see where I am sitting. That is where I am. I want to support the Motion by stating the following; I am in agreement with the President’s Address. First, with regard to education, I would like to say that I am representing a constituency. There are people whom I want to thank for having voted for me in spite of the ODM and UDF wave that was there. They thought it was better to vote for Injendi on a Maendeleo Party ticket. People call me “ Maendeleo ya Wanawake”!
  • (Laughter)
  • I am talking about education because when it comes to Malava, we have been failing for the last three years. Malava is a constituency which is, at the same time, a district. But for the last three years, we have been failing in examinations. I am very happy with the President because even though people are talking about laptops and being pessimistic, I know that majority of human beings, when they are introduced to new things, they want to shy away from them. I want to encourage my fellow hon. Members who are very pessimistic to embrace the idea. I think that has to do with the youth and not the old people who are here. The youth are strong and very positive in thinking. Let us embrace the idea. I believe the President, when he was talking about the laptops, had in mind what is ailing our schools. When it comes to laptops, I am sure he will take care of what is ailing our schools. In Malava – I know the President will take care of it and that is why I want the laptop proposal to succeed – staffing is a problem. We have only one District Education Officer (DEO). I believe that, even though the President talked about the laptops, staffing in our schools will be taken care of. Since he was talking about improving the quality of education, he cannot leave out Malava. He focused on education in his Address. I also believe that when it comes to supervision, especially of schools, he will take care of facilitation. There is the issue of vehicles for our people in Malava. We have the DEO. The officers have no vehicles to help them move about for inspection. I believe that among the many factors causing poor performance is poor low staffing. As we talk about laptops in our schools, I am imagining that the President will take care of staffing in our schools. When it comes to staffing, most of our schools do not have enough teachers. So, my appeal to the President is this: As he talks about the laptops, let him also think of recruiting more teachers. There are many who are trained and are out there. Most of the teachers who are in schools are burdened with a lot of work and it is difficult for them to deliver. I would like to talk about security. I am very happy with the President. I am complaining so much even though, at least, I have a police post in the constituency. It is at the centre of the constituency. But for the people in my constituency to access that police post, they have to walk for 15 kilometres to report their cases. But I think I am better off compared to my friend from Gatundu South, who was saying that he has to go to the next constituency to access the same services. I am not very sure of the next constituency. Maybe, it is Gatundu North. But there is also something which is making me live in fear! The Standard
  • Newspaper
  • is running a story on a series of murders. When you look at the majority of
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  • the people who have died, they were actually Members of Parliament. I remember Mr. Mugabe Were and many others. You talk about security and the international ratio of one policeman for every 450 people, but I am scared about Members of Parliament. You can see what we are raising here. It touches on some particular persons, chairmen of commissions and many other people there. I am sure they may want to silence us silence us by killing us. Today, I received a security guard; just one to take care of me during the day. Now, when he drops me in the house, who takes care of my life during the night? You know, at night, is when very many bad things normally happen. To improve our performance--- Hon. Speaker: The lady who is alone! Kindly introduce yourself also.
  • Rachel Ameso Amolo

    (Hon. (Ms.) Amolo): Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. My names are Rachel Ameso Amolo, Kakamega County Women Representative. Thank you so much for spotting me. I was thinking, maybe, because of my height, you were not seeing me. I am a short lady, but thank you because you have seen me. Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the people of Kakamega for electing Rachel Amolo. As you all know, Kakamega is a big county with 12 constituencies. It was not an easy job. So, I take this opportunity to thank the people of Kakamega for electing me. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I also take this opportunity to thank you on your new appointment. I also would like to thank the Deputy Speaker who is not in the House at the moment. I stand here to support the Address of our President, hon. Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta. I want to look into the issue of education. To me, it is possible. All I know is that a change is a change. A change is painful to some people. So, we have to look at it and accept it. But we people in the House, have to support our President. This is because the issue of laptops has to be implemented. What we need to do is to have a pilot programme. Let us look at some schools. There are schools that were picked as centres of excellence. Let us pick them as centres for the pilot programme. Let us take the laptops there and see how the whole thing will work, so that when we come to 2014 the programme does start. It has to start in this House. Hon. Speaker, Sir, I would like to urge President Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta to start with us. If you were to tell all of us to operate laptops, I believe not all of us would manage. I believe that this project should start in this House and then go out to the teachers. When I watched my President read his Address, he had papers. I expected him to have an iPad. I would like to see Mr. President give his next speech wherever he will be via an iPad, so that we can also copy what he will do. As the children wait for the laptops to come, they should see their President using an iPad. I also believe that hon. Members of Parliament need to style up and stop carrying papers here and there. We need to carry our laptops and iPads. I believe the Clerk of the National Assembly can ensure that we have laptops here, so that we do not carry these papers. They are filing up our houses, and we do not have box files for them. I come from Khwisero in Kakamega where we have tourism. We have Kakamega Forest where we have beautiful butterflies and birds. We have the most poisonous snakes in Kakamega Forest.

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  • We need to look into projects that will help in the construction of Kakamega Airstrip. We should not go to Kisumu in order to get to Kakamega. It eats into your two hours if you were to travel by aeroplane. You have to alight in Kisumu and then take a bus to Kakamega. It is a waste of time for any tourist coming to Kakamega. We have beautiful places in Kakamega like Martha’s Palace where nobody goes, yet it is very beautiful place. I am inviting hon. Members to come to the place and also visit Kakamega County. Come to Khwisero and see the beautiful places that we have. When the President comes to Kakamega--- It is unfortunate that the President did not come to Kakamega to campaign. However, from his Address, I believe that he is going to work with all Kenyans. I take this opportunity to invite---
  • Charles Muriuki Njagagua (The Member for Mbeere North)

    Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. First and foremost I would like to congratulate you upon your election as the Speaker of this House. Secondly, I wish to thank the people of Mbeere North for giving me this chance to be their Member of Parliament for the next five years. On the Presidential Address, I would like to commend the President for the moving address that he gave this House. In particular, I would like to cite issues in land, roads, and youth and women funds. We Members of the august House went to the electorate and it was our promise to the people that we would give jobs to the youth and money to the women for their businesses. I wish to add my voice to that of the hon. Members who have so far congratulated the President for the moving and beautiful Address, which he delivered to this august House. On the issue of land, as a legal practitioner in this country, I am amazed at the slow pace at which matters of land are handled at the Lands Office. So, on matters relating to land, I would wish that the Presidential Address is actualised and land offices are regionalised. Land offices should be digitalised, so that people can get services as soon as possible. It is a big wonder that a small matter like a search certificate takes over four days to get at any lands office. This is a waste of time, money and resources.

  • Charles Muriuki Njagagua (The Member for Mbeere North)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, on the issue of roads, I come from a constituency where there is a single tarmac road of about 20 kilometres. Mbeere North District Headquarters has not been tarmacked despite the fact that it is a district headquarters, which was established way back in the 1940s. Therefore, I would wish that the President’s commitment to improve the road network in Kenya also benefits the people of Mbeere North. I believe that the people there will continue to support the President as they have done after previous elections.

  • Charles Muriuki Njagagua (The Member for Mbeere North)

    On the issue of health, I would wish to commend the President for assuring women that they will not be charged any fee when they go to public health facilities to deliver babies. I know that in the next eight or so years, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) will be going out to curve out other new constituencies. I know that Mbeere North Constituency is one of the endangered constituencies. So, people there should procreate, so that we can save our constituency.

  • Charles Muriuki Njagagua (The Member for Mbeere North)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, we have been talking about salaries for Members of Parliament. I would like to echo those who have spoken before me and say that we must not stop at the MPs’ salaries. We must also look at the teachers, who have been underpaid

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  • for a long time. We do not want them to go back to the streets. We do not want teachers to be on the streets as they are supposed to take our children through the paces in computer application. We want our children to get the full benefit of the resources or the computers that the Government is going to give them.
  • On the issue of corruption, we know that there is a lot of wastage of resources in the Government. It is my hope and prayer that this House will curb the level of wastage and corruption in the Government.
  • Therefore, mine is to echo those who have spoken before me by saying that the Presidential Address is wonderful. I believe that it ranks among top Addresses that have been given by former presidents of this country and elsewhere. I would, indeed, want to rank it among the speech by Martin Luther King, which started with words “I have a dream”.
  • Thank you Hon. Speaker, Sir.
  • Jared Odhiambo Opiyo (The Member for Awendo)

    Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir. Indeed, I have been here for long and I have not been able to catch your eye. With a light touch, you may take us out for a retreat to train us on how to catch the Speaker’s eye.

  • (Laughter)
  • Jared Odhiambo Opiyo (The Member for Awendo)

    I want to congratulate you, Hon. Speaker, Sir, on your election as the Speaker of this House. I also congratulate your Deputy. I also want to take this opportunity to thank the people of Awendo Constituency for making a choice and electing me as their first Member of Parliament. As you may know, Awendo is a new constituency. I want to thank them very much for the decision that they made, and I want to promise that I will do my best to serve them in this capacity.

  • Jared Odhiambo Opiyo (The Member for Awendo)

    I wish to make a few observations in relation to the President’s Address which, indeed, as most of my other colleagues have observed, was a moving.

  • Jared Odhiambo Opiyo (The Member for Awendo)

    On the issue of laptops for our children in schools, I just want to say that as much as we want to welcome this idea, I wish we could first address pertinent issues in the education sector. For the record, before I came to this House, up to September last year, I was a principal of a school and I have first hand experience in these things.

  • Jared Odhiambo Opiyo (The Member for Awendo)

    First, we should have concentrated on the issue of teacher-pupil ratio, which is very bad in Kenya. The teacher-pupil ratio is 1 to 47, while the international standard is 1 to 40. So, we should have concentrated on improving the teacher-pupil ratio in our schools, so that all our students have teachers to help them study.

  • Jared Odhiambo Opiyo (The Member for Awendo)

    We could also have stressed more on more serious issues of enrolment, retention, completion and access. As we are speaking today, it is true that some of our schools do not have appropriate infrastructure. It is true that some of our children learn under trees, yet we want to talk about laptops. I think the best that we can do is to concentrate on issues that touch directly on the children.

  • Jared Odhiambo Opiyo (The Member for Awendo)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I also want to urge the President that as he thinks about introducing laptops to our schools, he should also think about the teachers in those schools. Legal Notice No.453 of 1997 came just immediately before I joined the teaching fraternity. Up to this time, successive governments have not honoured it. To improve the standards of education in this country, the Government must, first of all, look at the

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  • welfare of teachers appropriately, so that the rest can be taken care of. It is not proper that every other year teachers go on strike and run on the streets just over an agreement that was entered more than 15 years ago. I think it is not fair to our children, and it is not fair to the members of the teaching force in this country. That is the first thing we have to look into in order for us to improve the education standards in this country.
  • Of interest also is the issue of free maternity services to mothers. I come from a CORD stronghold where we were not digitally savvy enough to generate enough votes; I think the mothers from those areas should take advantage of that facility and give many births, so that in the next election, we will have enough votes to form the next Government.
  • (Laughter)
  • Cecilia Chelangat Ngetich

    (Hon.(Ms) R.N. Wanyonyi): Hon. Speaker, Sir, I also want to take this opportunity to congratulate you for having been elected Speaker alongside the Deputy Speaker, Dr. Laboso.

  • Cecilia Chelangat Ngetich

    To comment on the Presidential Address, I want to say that personally I am impressed. I am happy about the Address. It is very holistic in the manner it has tackled issues that affect this nation. First and foremost is the issue of education; he talked of empowerment and education is the greatest empowerment that we can talk about. So the issue as to whether we need laptops or facilities in schools to improve the learning standards, we must have the education enhanced. The laptop issue is quite welcome. Most of the schools in the rural areas have never known what a laptop is; to have rural areas with laptops is one way of making the children all the country know that they are living in an era that is digital. Therefore, they will have access technology. I commend the President for that so strongly.

  • Cecilia Chelangat Ngetich

    Secondly, on the issue of security, we know very well that for us to live in harmony and peace, we must have security. I come from Bungoma County and I want to applaud the Presidential Address on security and peaceful existence. This must go hand in hand with issues on the ground. In Bungoma County the level of insecurity is high; people are murdered left, right and centre, homes are attacked; there is a lot of insecurity. One key thing that I have observed in Bungoma County is that the security forces in place are inadequate. They do not have capacity to combat the kind of insecurity that we are witnessing. The OCPD in Bungoma claims that there is only one vehicle to cover more than four districts. Practically speaking, it is not possible. It is important that we strengthen the security system with the necessary facilities that can make them effective and perform very well.

  • Cecilia Chelangat Ngetich

    I was happy about the industrialization of this country. Where I come from in Bungoma County, we have Chwele, which is the third largest food market in Africa. As the third largest food market in Africa it is just prudent and wise that we develop and industrialize the county so that, indeed, it augments food security efforts in our country. So, industrialization in that particular part of the country is key. Bungoma County also has Mt. Elgon and other large constituencies. Mt. Elgon is key in tourism development and also in food security. This is because most of the food in Bungoma comes from Mt.

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  • Elgon. Opening up road structures and infrastructure is key. That way I believe then food security will be guaranteed not only in western region but all over the country.
  • I want to be grateful to this particular House and the people of Bungoma County for electing me as the first woman Member of Parliament since Independence. To me that is something that I am very grateful for, and I want to thank you for allowing me today to catch your eye in spite of my black complexion and size; I thought it was my complexion that was a hindrance.
  • Mathew Lekidime Lempurkel (The Member for Laikipia North)

    Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to take this chance to congratulate you for being elected the Speaker of the House. I also want to take this opportunity to thank the people of Laikipia North Constituency for electing me as the first Member of Parliament since Independence.

  • Mathew Lekidime Lempurkel (The Member for Laikipia North)

    On the Presidential Address, I want to talk about four issues. First, it is about land. In Laikipia North Constituency, where I come from, land is an issue. We have about one million hectares of land owned by settlers and the pastoral communities who live there; the Samburu and the Pokot have been squatters since Independence. We have never had even a title deed. So when I saw in the Address that His Excellency had mentioned the issue of land, I believed there was a lot to be addressed in the issue of land.

  • Mathew Lekidime Lempurkel (The Member for Laikipia North)

    The second issue is about agriculture. I can see a very good Address that has put a lot of stress on agriculture. But as a pastoralist, I can see the issue of livestock has been forgotten. I believe that about 10 million Kenyans depend on livestock or pastoralism even in Nairobi. The nyama choma business employs more than one million people within Nairobi. I believe this is an area that is productive, especially the northern parts of the country such as Laikipia, Samburu, Isiolo and Marsabit. We also need to enhance this sector---

  • ADJOURNMENT

  • Hon. Speaker

    You will have two more minutes tomorrow when the debate resumes.

  • Hon. Speaker

    Hon. Members, we have come to the end of business of the House today. The House, therefore, stands adjourned until Wednesday, 24th April, 2013, at 9.00 a.m.

  • Hon. Speaker

    The House rose at 6.30 p.m.

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