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  • Page 1 of Wednesday, 19th June, 2013 Morning
  • June 19, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 1 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
  • OFFICIAL REPORT

  • Wednesday, 19th June, 2013
  • The House met at 9.00 a.m.
  • [The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh) in the Chair]
  • PRAYERS

  • MOTION

  • UPGRADING OF ROADS IN CONSTITUENCIES TO BITUMEN STANDARD

  • THAT, aware that the road network in the country currently stands at approximately 160,886 kilometres, out of which only approximately 11,189 kilometres are paved; noting that the extent of the unclassified rural and urban roads remain unknown with most of such roads in bad condition; aware that good infrastructure facilitates trade, economic development and improvement in the quality of life; this House urges the government, through Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KERRA), Kenya National Highways Authority(KENHA) and Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) to upgrade a minimum of twenty (20) kilometres of roads to bitumen standards in every constituency across the country in every financial year to enhance the road network in the country and subsequently enhance agricultural productivity and job creation.
  • (Hon. K.K. Kinyanjui on 6.6.2013)
  • (Resumption of Debate interrupted on 18.6.2013)
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Mburu, you have ten minutes to reply to your Motion and I see many requests. I do not know whether people have made mistakes. Please check that you have not pressed the interventions button if you do not intend to raise a point of order.

  • Stephen Kinyanjui Mburu Kk

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, with all due respect, I am begging you to allow me to give a number of hon. Members some of my ten minutes. I want to take two and I will share the rest eight minutes with hon. Members who are interested to contribute to this Motion.

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  • June 19, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 2 The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): That is your discretion and so, you can go ahead.

  • Stephen Kinyanjui Mburu Kk

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the first hon. Member is Kemei. I want to give him two minutes.

  • Justice Kipsang Kemei

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, since the introduction of Constituencies Development Fund (CDF), there has been equitable development in the entire country. With the Motion by hon. Mburu, I am sure the road network in the entire country will also be equitable. In my constituency, we have two bitumen roads and both roads head towards other parts of the country. They pass through my constituency. I have eight kilometers from Kiptere up to Sondu and five kilometers from Soliat up to the junction going to Muhoroni. If I get 20 kilometers of bitumen road in my constituency, I am sure there will be better development in the constituency. With those few remarks, I beg to support.

  • David Wafula Wekesa

    Naibu Spika wa Muda, namshukuru Mhe. Mburu kwa kunikabidhi fursa hii ili nichangie Hoja hii ambayo ni ya muhimu kwetu. Uchumi wa nchi yetu, asilimia 90 unategemea mawasiliano na uchukuzi wa barabara. Sote tunajua kwamba baadhi ya sababu ambazo zinachangia kuzoroteka kwa barabara hasa ni wakati wa mvua. Sehemu ambayo ninawakilisha ya Saboti, inakisiwa kuwa na watu karibu 200,000. Lakini hakuna barabara yoyote maalum ambayo tunaweza kuita highway. Watu wa Saboti wanajulikana - na watu wa Trans Nzoia kwa ujumla - kuwa wakulima. Lakini tukienda upande wa barabara, kama ni namba, labda tupewe kuanzia mwisho katika sehemu ambazo hazina barabara nzuri. Wakulima kutoka Trans Nzoia wameumia sana na pia wanakosa huduma muhimu kwa sababu ya barabara mbovu wakati mvua inanyesha. Najua kwamba hii Hoja ikizingatiwa, nchi yetu itanufaika sana. Ahsante!

  • Charles Muriuki Njagagua

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me this chance to contribute to this Motion. I want to thank hon. Mburu for bringing this Motion. In particular, I want to urge the Government to tarmack a minimum of 20 kilometers per year in every constituency. I have a case in point in my own constituency, which is Mbeere North. We have a district headquarters called Siakago which was started in 1950. There is a stretch of 29 kilometers that has never been tarmacked. We get into a lot of trouble when pregnant mothers are referred to the provincial headquarters in Embu. At times, they give birth on the way. I pray that, once that is done, the Government will prioritize the 29 kilometers road. I would also appreciate that, that tarmac is stretched all the way from Siakago to Ketire. Thank you. With those few remarks, I beg to support.

  • Patrick Keturet Ole Ntutu

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity. Let me say from the outset that I support this Motion. I want to thank hon. K.K. Kinyanjui for bringing this Motion at this time. We all know the history of this country, particularly when it comes to the roads network. During the old days, a road could only be tarmacked or murramed, if you were close to the “powers that be”. This Motion will bring equity to this country. I think where we are as a country, we need to have equity in the road network. In the Maasai Mara, the Seventh Wonder of the World, 75 per cent of it is in my constituency. It is important for this House to note that, that is the only wonder of the

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  • world that this country has and yet, not a single kilometer of road has been tarmacked. So, I hope this Motion will ensure that the road from Narok to Maasai Mara will be tarmacked so that our tourists, who bring a lot of money to this country, can access that wonderful part of the country. The same thing applies to the road from Narok to Lemek and Lolgorian. I hope this Motion will help us get a tarmac road. Also, there is a road that has been tarmacked up to ole Tipis place, but was not extended to Nakuru. I hope that this Motion will ensure that those roads are tarmacked. This Motion will help many constituencies. Most of them have roads that have never been tarmacked. They have always been left out. I want to say that I support this Motion. I hope that the road from Mulot to Olenguruone will be tarmacked. Thank you.
  • Francis Kigo Njenga

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, mine is to sincerely support this Motion. If you look through what we have done, as a country, by putting murram in our roads year in, year out, you will see that, once we have the harsh weather that we experience now and again in this country, all our investment in murram roads go to waste. We just then duplicate investment of resources. A minimum of 20 kilometers per year in five years will be 100 kilometers. In the long run, we will put our resources to other productive activities in this nation. That way, we will avoid wastage. In fact, there will be savings. We will never attain Vision 2030 and all its advantages unless we look at rural development. Rural areas have not enjoyed tarmacked roads for many years. When there is tarmacking of roads, it is not evenly distributed. If we can do tarmac roads in rural areas, we will curb rural-urban migration. I want to talk about rural-urban migration. With the Thika Super Highway, it takes you about 45 minutes or even one hour from my constituency to Nairobi. So, we will have people going back to live in the rural areas and contributing to the economies. The other thing I would like to talk about is decongestion in the city. People can do business in the rural areas. If we have that, we could connect the counties. I would like to talk about a very simple road from a place called Gatukuyu to a place called Matara. If that road is done – and it is only 35 kilometers - it will connect Matara to Rwanyambo which is in Kinangop. We will be able to get food to Nairobi within one hour. If food is brought to Nairobi within one hour - after reducing the distance - we are going to have cheaper food in this city. By doing so, the people going to Nyahururu will not do the curve that they normally do by going all the way to connect the Nakuru Highway, and then to Nairobi. That will be a short-cut; another by- pass. That will again, decongest our roads. So, if there is anything I stand to support, it is this Motion. Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.

  • Stephen Kinyanjui Mburu Kk

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I would like to thank all hon. Members who have contributed and supported the Motion. God bless you and, maybe, with God’s blessings, this Motion will become a reality.

  • (Question of the Motion as amended put and agreed to)
  • Resolved accordingly:
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  • THAT, aware that the road network in the country currently stands at approximately 160,886 kilometres, out of which only approximately 11,189 kilometres are paved; noting that the extent of the unclassified rural and urban roads remain unknown with most of such roads in bad condition; aware that good infrastructure facilitate trade, economic development and improvement in the quality of life; this House urges the government, through Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KERRA), Kenya National High Authority(KENHA) and Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) to upgrade a minimum of twenty (20) kilometres of roads to bitumen standards in every constituency across the country in every financial year to enhance the road network in the country and, subsequently, enhance agricultural productivity and job creation
  • ALLOCATION OF FUNDS TO NATIONAL YOUTH COUNCIL

  • THAT, aware that the National Youth Council was established by the National Youth Council Act 2009; further aware that the Council was gazetted in November 2012; concerned that the Treasury is yet to release the required funds to establish the Council Secretariat as provided by Section 10 of the Act; noting that the Council is unable to perform its functions as stated in Section 4 of the Act due to lack of funds thus disadvantaging the youth of this country; this House urges the Government to immediately allocate and release funds to the Council for it to discharge its mandate.
  • (Hon. (Ms.) Juma on 12.6.2013)
  • (Resumption of Debate interrupted on 12.6.2013)
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Members, this Motion has 18 more minutes. There was nobody on the Floor but, if you remember, we had agreed five minutes per Member because of the interest that was shown. So, currently, there is nobody who is willing to speak. Okay! I see one request from hon. Barchilei.

  • Edwin Kipruto Barchilei

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion. That is because the youth form 70 per cent of the population. Those are the people who have been sidelined. Therefore, there is need for the Government to immediately allocate and release those funds to the Council, to enable it to discharge its mandate. When the problems affecting the youth are solved, 70 per cent of the problems in Kenya will be solved. Therefore, it is very important for the Government to realize the functions of the council and support it by releasing the funds. Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Dido Ali Rasso.

  • Col (Rtd) Ali Rasso Dido

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. At the outset, I wish to thank hon. Ms. Juma for bringing this Motion to the House.

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  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, as the hon. Member has said, the youth form the largest majority of the population in this country. They are over 70 per cent. That is not a population whose position and agenda can be under-estimated. One of the things that we have said---
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): I am sorry for interrupting you, hon. Dido. Hon. Kyengo, do you have a point of order?

  • Maweu Kyengo Katatha

    No, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): If you do not have a point of order, please, be pressing the right button for intervention or contribution.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    Proceed, hon. Dido.

  • Col (Rtd) Ali Rasso Dido

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the fact that the requirements of 70 per cent of our population are so many cannot be over-emphasised. If we make the National Youth Council (NYC) operational, the Government will focus on the youth agenda. At the same time, the youth of this country will have a central organ through which their issues can be properly articulated. We have seen our youth experiencing mundane problems like attachments while in college; something which should not be happening. The youth should be able to get attachment within the Government and in private companies without a lot of stress.

  • Col (Rtd) Ali Rasso Dido

    Another thing that I would like to say about this Motion is about employment and, more so, the quota system of allocating Government and private sector jobs. A certain quota should be set aside for the youth. That way, they will access those positions after college. We have said that the youth are involved in certain misdemeanours. That problem has been brought about by the failure of this House and other public institutions to put the youth agenda in the proper perspective. Those institutions are not playing their noble roles. As the august House, we have a role to play in furthering the youth agenda in this country.

  • Col (Rtd) Ali Rasso Dido

    With those remarks, I beg to support.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Florence Kajuju, you will have four minutes and then the Mover will have the Floor to reply.

  • Florence Kajuju

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I would like to thank hon. Zuleikha for bringing this Motion and appreciating the talents that our youth have in this day and age. One of the achievements of the new Constitution is that it has recognised the rights of each and every individual to participate in decision-making towards the development of this country. One of the things that we can do as a county is to empower our youth, who already have talents and skills. Having set up the NYC, there is no reason as to why it should not be given the necessary funds to enable it meet its mandate as provided for in the Act, which was passed way back in 2009.

  • Florence Kajuju

    Time is gone when we used to hear “ Kazi kwa vijana, pesa kwa wazee .” It is now time to give the youth the money they need, so that they can work. I urge hon. Members to pass this Motion, so that our youth can be empowered. This is a good Motion

  • Florence Kajuju

    With those remarks, I beg to support.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. George Ogalo, you have two minutes.

  • George Oner Ogalo

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Motion and go a little further than just supporting it. I am a little perturbed. I have been

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  • consulting with my friend, hon. Kaluma, as to why this House still needs to urge the Government to do what has already been passed into law. The Act is there. The funds have been allocated. It is the job of this House to appropriate money. We should not, again, be urging the Government to do what is already provided in law, and which it should be doing. In support of this Motion, I urge the Departmental Committee of this House in charge of this matter to summon the Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury to explain why that money has not been appropriated and released to NYC.
  • With those remarks, I beg to support.
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Mover of the Motion, you have ten minutes.

  • Zuleikha Juma Hassan

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I want to donate two minutes each to hon. Gunga and hon. Silvance before I reply.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Proceed, hon. Gunga.

  • Mwinga Gunga Chea

    Mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda, nakushukuru sana kwa kunipa fursa hii. Ningependa kutoa shukrani zangu kwa mhe. Zuleikha kwa kunipa dakika mbili za muda wake ili niweze kuchangia Hoja hii. Ningependa kusema kwamba Hoja hii ni nzuri kwa sababu katika taifa letu la Kenya, tumeona mara nyingi masuala ya vijana, ambayo ni muhimu sana kwa taifa hili, yakiwekwa nyuma. Kwa hivyo, ningependa kuiunga mkono Hoja hii kwa dhati kwa sababu ninafahamu kwamba iwapo vijana watapata fedha, watapata nafasi ya kujiendeleza na kuleta maendeleo katika taifa hili. Ni kweli kwamba suala la kusema vijana ni viongozi wa kesho limepitwa na wakati. Naamini kwamba tukitoa fedha kwa vijana na wapewe nafasi ya kuzitumia vizuri, fedha hizo zitaendeleza mipango ya vijana humu nchini. Hatutaki kusikia tena vijana wakijiingiza kwenye shida za mihadarati ama wakiwekwa katika ngazi ya chini. Mara nyingi, vijana huchukuliwa kuwa watu wa kuendesha pikipiki za boda boda, kufanya kazi duni na kutumiwa vibaya, haswa wakati wa kampeini za kisiasa. Sheria inasema kwamba ni lazima pesa hizo zitolewe kwa vijana ili vijana waweze kuendeleza miradi yao ndiyo tuweze kupata maendeleo katika nchi hii.

  • Mwinga Gunga Chea

    Kwa hayo maneno machache, naunga mkono Hoja hii.

  • Silvance Osele Onyango

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker and hon. Zuleikha, for giving me this chance to contribute to the Motion. My concern is that NYC is a creation of this House. Article 55 of the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya makes it mandatory for the State to take measures to ensure that the youth are given an opportunity to participate, associate and be represented in the political, socio-economic and other spheres of life. In as far as Parliament has the legislative role, it follows that the oversight role was added to this House to ensure that when we pass legislation, we oversee and ensure that it is implemented. We realise that Parliament may pass certain laws which may not be convenient to the Executive that is in existence at certain times. That is why we also have to ensure that laws passed by this House are implemented. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I happen to sit in the Departmental Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. Up to date, NYC has not been allocated even a single cent. When we inquired into the matter, we were told that the funds have gone to the Ministry for Planning and Devolution. However, a follow-up has shown that not even a single cent has been allocated to NYC. NYC operates from Uchumi House, where it has

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  • four rooms. But it does not have a single cent. Why would we treat the youth of this country to the drama of holding elections in every sub-location, all the way to the national level, to elect 16 leaders to represent them at NYC; only for the same to be put aside? Nobody even wants to listen to them. Therefore, I beg the House to take this matter seriously. We should stamp our authority and ensure that the youth are given their space. We should not be afraid of the youth in this country. All the matters that we deal with regularly, including insecurity, have a component of unemployment and the energy of our youth, which has not been potentially attracted and re-directed in the right direction. So, in as much as we go round trying to address certain issues, if we do not take care of the matters of the youth, we will get lost. Therefore, I implore upon fellow hon. Members that we stamp our authority, when we legislate, to ensure that the resultant laws are implemented. With those remarks, I beg to support.
  • Zuleikha Juma Hassan

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. First, I would like to urge the Jubilee Government - which has been saying that it is a Government of

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  • Zuleikha Juma Hassan

    and gave a lot of promises in the President’s Address – to support the young people by allocating money to National Youth Council. We hope that since the money was not captured in the Budget that was read here, they will include it in the Supplementary Estimates. For example, some money has been moved from some Ministries and given to teachers. That is equally important, as another hon. Member has said. If you solve the issues affecting the youth, you will solve 70 per cent of the problems of this country. There is no point of allocating Kshs26 billion to the youth and adding more money if they have no say on how that money will be used. That is why you see Government projects for the youth failing time and again because young people are not consulted. They do not have a say on how the money is used. So, when you establish a white elephant project, it fails. So, the National Youth Council is there to make sure that young people get involved from the grassroots up to the national level.

  • Zuleikha Juma Hassan

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I also want to take this opportunity to thank all hon. Members who have supported this Motion. In fact, this Motion has been supported by all the Members who have contributed to it. As we prepare to vote, I would like to request hon. Members to support it.

  • Zuleikha Juma Hassan

    I would also like to thank the young people out there. I know there are many young people who are following this Motion. I also thank the National Youth Council for helping to make this Motion successful. I salute the young people. There are some people who have said that if young people get a billion shillings, they will not be able to manage it. That is not true. In fact, this Parliament has about 75 young hon. Members, many of who were voted in by their constituents. They won overwhelmingly. There are many young people in other sectors like Muthomi in Meru, who is globally acclaimed for carrying out the banana business. There is Mukwano Youth Group in Machakos which has a successful farm despite the drought in the area. There is Okolo, a young woman activist and innovator who is trending globally in the international humanitarian field. There is also Mombasa Youth Bunge that is doing a lot of work to sensitize the girl-child through drama. There are dozens of young professional, for instance, in the Kenyan media who are the engines of the industry in Kenya. We have Patricia Amira, Larry Madowo, Lulu Hassan, Philip Mwaniki, Hussein Mohamed and so on.

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  • Hon. Members, as we vote, let us think about how many more young leaders or heroes we can make in Kenya, and who can contribute to the development of our country and be globally competitive.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, as I conclude, I would like to quote Franklin Roosevelt who said: “We cannot always build the future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future.”
  • Thank you.
  • (Applause)
  • (Question put and agreed to)
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Members, I am made aware that when I was on my feet, one of our colleagues walked in and proceeded to his seat when the Temporary Deputy Speaker was on her feet. Please, hon. Members, let us try and adhere to the rules of the House so that we have decorum. Hon. Member, I have not directed you to do anything. I will direct you if I so wish. I was on my feet and I have given my statement. Go ahead and take your seat.

  • ESTABLISHMENT OF GIRLS BOARDING SCHOOLS IN ASAL AREAS

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the sector of education in all Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) and counties in Kenya is characterized---

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Dukicha, you have to move your Motion before you start contributing to it. That way, other hon. Members will get the gist of what you are urging the House to pass.

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, aware that the number of girls- --

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Dukicha, please state “I beg to move the following Motion: THAT,---”

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion:- THAT, aware that the number of girls dropping out of school is very high in the Arid and Semi-arid Areas (ASALs) because of the limited number of schools in those areas; concerned that most of the girls dropping out of school opt for early marriages, thus affecting the education standards of the girl-child; noting that lack of boarding schools in most of those areas has greatly contributed to increased number of school dropouts, this House urges the Government to establish girls boarding schools for both primary and secondary education in all ASAL areas.

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    The sector of education in all ASAL counties in Kenya is characterized by low enrolment levels, high dropout rates and poor infrastructural development. In Kenya, the introduction of free primary education contributed to a significant increase in the enrolment level for both boys and girls. The dropout rates increase with the high number

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  • of children making the transition to secondary education. There are, however, major geographic and gender disparities with only about 23 per cent of children in ASAL areas attending school.
  • An analysis at the regional level showed that primary school enrolment levels in most ASAL counties like Garissa, Tana River, Turkana and others have low enrolment rates of 34 per cent and 25 per cent, respectively, against a national average of 91.4 per cent in 2010. Over 1 million children of school-going age are still not attending school. Those are mainly children from pastoral communities whose lifestyle is recurrent drought in the northern districts of Kenya which makes accessing education extremely difficult. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, in ASAL areas, school attendance is often lower compared to other parts of the country. In the lower parts of Kenya, for example, Tana River, children do not attend school because of famine. The School Feeding Programme (SFP) has contributed to keeping more children in school. Despite the increase in campaign efforts for girls to attend school, there are still more boys attending schools than girls. Late enrolment rate of girls is estimated to be at 15 per cent. There is a higher drop-out and low completion rates for girls especially in upper primary and secondary schools in those parts of the country. Between the ages of 16 years to 20 years, only about 35 per cent of girls are still in school compared to 50 per cent boys. Girls also tend to perform poorly compared to boys. It has been determined that boys attain higher average mean scores at national level than girls. The situation is even more desperate in North Eastern Province, Tana River, Turkana and other semi-arid areas where the achievement of girls remains extremely low. Various factors have been given to explain that situation. Rising poverty and marginalization, low levels of economic development, banditry and insecurity and cultural practices all work to hinder girls from realizing the right to education. Girls face more challenges than boys. They are more likely to encounter gender discrimination, lack basic supplies, books and sanitation facilities. Girls are required to combine school work with household chores thus not often completing their school work. Sometimes, they undertake menial jobs for teachers and more are likely to be subjected---
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Dukicha, let me just guide you. Your notes are for you to refer to and not to read throughout. Refer to them rather than reading through them because it will be against our Standing Orders.

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for that. The girls are prone to sexual abuse and violence more than boys. That is due to the fact that education has more significant positive impact on the lives of communities. The declaration of Free Primary Education (FPE) policy in January 2003 by the Kenyan Government was a move in the right direction. It was meant to address some of the issues raised in the Koech Report. However, that policy lacks affirmative action. For example, every child is provided with a grant of Kshs1,020 per annum - which is the same amount for every child in Kenya - to cater for instructional material and general school support. ASAL-based schools are less developed. They have very few teachers and so educational standards of the learners are compromised. Where the enrolment is low, the schools suffer during famine because parents are forced to supplement the grant from the Government.

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  • That is, in essence, a form of cost-sharing. That policy drove children away from schools before the introduction of FPE. Education extends beyond the family to the wider community and even to the nation. Increasing the number of pupils who finish schools leads to economic growth, social and political stability, declining crime rates and improved social services. It is the Government’s policy within the context of education for all under the MDGs to embrace gender equity. Enrolment has been improving steadily and disparity has reduced with a gender parity index at primary level being constant between 2007 and 2008 at 0.94 and increasing to 0.9 in 2009. Special consideration will have to be given to the marginalized learners in ASAL areas. It is in the interest of Kenyans that education access for the pastoralist girls is given a fresh look and that, those factors that hinder their access and participation in primary school education in those areas be identified and tackled with an aim to enhance the achievement of education for all (EFA) goal. When ASAL areas are behind in the achievement of the EFA goals, the rest of the country will lag behind in terms of socio-economic development and, therefore, create a situation of inequity in the distribution of education and other development parameters in the country; a situation that is not desirable for a country that desires to give its citizens equal opportunities in all aspects of development. The Report of 1999 popularly known as the Koech Report also observed the same about the ASAL areas. This nation requires affirmative action to address the inequalities that have caused girls to lag behind in accessing or participating in education. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, it is against this background that access to education, both at primary and secondary levels, in ASAL areas, is faced with many challenges which, if not addressed, will perpetuate lack of general development as compared to other counties in Kenya in terms of human resource development as well as the economic well-being of the population. I beg to move and, through the Chair, request hon. Diriye to second the Motion.
  • Diriye Abdullahi Mohamed

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I wish to second this Motion on the girl-child education. The Motion has come at a very good time. It should have come a long time ago because the girl-child education is very important for this country. In fact, an educated girl is more likely to raise a healthy and educated family than her un-educated counterpart. Statistics show that a literate woman raises a healthy and well nourished family. An educated mother will take her children to the clinic for immunization and treatment. She will even know how to administer drugs, for instance, three or two times a day or one time a day. Therefore, this is very important for the economic, social and political development of this country. We have a challenge on girl- child education, especially in ASAL areas and many other parts of the country, where the girl-child enrolment in school is very low. There is high drop-out of girls from schools and there is poor retention. Even with the low enrolment of the girl-child in school, in Standard Eight, many girls will have dropped out of school than boys. By the time they are finishing secondary school, more girls will have dropped out. The introduction of free primary education has increased the enrolment of girls in school. But the problem is retention, quality and infrastructural development. We do not have accurate statistics. In my constituency, in 2011/2012, out of the 250 students who

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  • sat for their Kenya Certificate of Primary Education and transited from primary to secondary school, only about 60 were girls. That is a paltry third of those who left primary school. That is a big disparity. As per the statistics, boys and girls are equal at birth in terms of the gender ratio. So, we expect that the number of girls in schools should be equal to those of boys in Standard One, assuming that we take all of them to school. This is not happening. By the time they are finishing secondary school, the girls are very few. The other thing which is hampering the girl-child education is bad cultural practices and beliefs among communities. That is rampant in many parts of northern Kenya and other parts of this country. The Government should do something about it. It should give incentives, create awareness and sensitize the communities. The other factor that is hampering the girl-child education is high levels of poverty. Instead of taking the girl-child to school, by the time she attains the age of 15 years, she is forced to do menial jobs. Therefore, poverty, marginalization, insecurity and banditry are hampering the girl- child education and we need to deal with them. Girls are facing more challenges to enroll in school and remain in school in the whole of Kenya. That is very appalling. This Motion has come at the best time when we are moving towards the Millennium Development Goals in terms of education for all. This is not happening. In my constituency, for the last four years, no girl has transited from secondary to university. They might have transited from primary to secondary school but, not from secondary to university. The Government should establish, among other things, low cost boarding schools for girls, support the payment of school fees and uniforms. It should also support their families. If a small token is given to the girls’ families, then the families will not require the girls to work in order to support them. The Government should fast-track the establishment of a Nomadic Education Commission for the pastoralists whose girls face a lot of challenges. The amount of money that is given under the Free Primary Education Programme is not enough. It is about Kshs1,020 per child per year, which is not enough. Since 2003, it has not been revised. It has remained the same while inflation and the cost of living have gone up. This is not enough to buy reading and writing materials and other items that are necessary for learning. I second the Motion and urge the House to pass it, so that the Government can mobilize enough funds to construct more schools to boost the girl-child education.
  • (Question proposed)
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon.) (Ms.) Shebesh: Honourable Members, before I give you the Floor, let me just guide you. If you have pressed the button and you want to speak, you do not have to come and whisper in my ear. I can definitely see your name. It makes my work easier and our work much faster. Hon. James Lemonen Ekomwa.

  • James Lomenen Ekomwa

    Honourable Temporary Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this Motion. There is a dictum that says educating a girl is like educating the whole world. So, you can imagine if we provide a conducive environment for girls in schools, how many worlds will we have educated? I come from a pastoralist community, specifically the

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  • Turkana community, and one thing about pastoralists is that they value girls so much because to them, girls provide them with wealth. So, to convince them to take their girls to school takes time. You can imagine if we take our girls to school and when they reach there, they are not provided with a conducive learning environment or they get pregnant. Sincerely speaking, we will be forced as leaders of those communities to act. Pastoralists will be discouraged. They will not take their children to school. So, one of the ways that we can convince pastoralists is to ensure that there are adequate boarding facilities in those areas. We must also ensure that there are special funds to cater for girls in those schools. The Government must also ensure that it provides capital punishment to those who impregnate girls in those schools. Honourable Temporary Deputy Speaker, there is a saying that says: “A hare – the so called Sungura – always blames the person who scared it from its hiding place and not the killer.” So, you can imagine that you have taken a girl from her protected place like her home. You take her to school and then she is impregnated. So, you can imagine her parents will blame the Government which said that girls should be taken to school and on reaching there, they are not provided with a conducive environment. So, as a digital Government we must give girls first priority in schools It will encourage parents to take them to school. If we take them to school and we do not protect and facilitate them, we will be creating more harm than good. So, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I support this Motion. Thank you.
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon.(Ms.) Shebesh: Honourable Leader of the Minority Party. I am giving you this chance because of your position in the House.

  • Francis Mwanzia Nyenze (Deceased)

    Thank you, honourable Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. I rise to support this very important Motion which says that girls have not been favoured in Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) areas. Those areas include Kajiado which is in Maasailand, Ukambani and Samburu, which are normally left out when we talk about ASAL areas and yet, they are ASAL areas. It will be good for the Government to establish those schools to cater for girls who have been left out. I have also learnt from the Mover of this Motion that in pastoralist communities, the ratio of girls to boys who go past secondary school is very low. Very few girls go past secondary school and there are very many reasons for that. The main reasons for that scenario include cultural practices. There are very many challenges that face the girl- child. I am happy that the Jubilee Government has allocated money in their Budget for free sanitary towels. That is a good move because I understand it is one of the reasons why girls miss classes. Honourable Temporary Deputy Speaker, now that we have Free Primary Education (FPE) - and I stand guided--- In the Jubilee Manifesto, they also proposed Free Secondary Education (FSE). I do not know whether they have kept quiet on the latter, but it is something that should be followed so that there is FSE. Even in the CORD Manifesto, there was FSE. Now that we have finished elections, let there be FSE so that those girls can get a chance to go on with their education. I want to say that the idea of free laptops and the allocation of Kshs58 billion towards that can do all those things. It can build those boarding schools in ASAL areas. It can pay the teachers’ salaries and it can also employ more teachers. I want to say that it is not only the girls in pastoralist communities who have not been facilitated to get

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  • education, but also those in other ASAL areas like Maasailand, Kambaland, Samburu and some parts of Rift Valley and Nyanza. They face the same problem. Most parents would rather marry off their daughters and educate the boys. So, for the few women Members of Parliament from those areas who have made it to this honourable House, I must say congratulations. They have tried very much against all odds to go to school and I understand some of them are lawyers and many have university degrees. So, that is a very big plus, including you hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. You made it against the background of discrimination. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we have to get to the root cause behind girls not going to school in those marginalised ASAL areas. It is not only lack of facilities. Since the Government has made FPE compulsory, I would suggest that in areas where girls do not go to school, let the Government sack the District Commissioners (DCs), District Officers (DOs) and chiefs. The parents should be imprisoned if they do not take their children to school. They should explain why they do that because there is FPE and if my memory does not fail me, in the Jubilee Manifesto, there was to be FSE. So, if everything is free, why do you not take your children to school? However, now that we lack facilities in ASAL areas as my colleague from Turkana South has said, let the Government utilise those funds which are set aside for projects that will not succeed. One project which I have said from the beginning will not succeed is the free laptops for Standard One children because of their delicate manner. They will play with them as if they are toys and computers are very sensitive. We said from the beginning that we should build computer labs in both primary and secondary schools with that money. Let everybody access them instead of trying to provide free laptops for each child. That is because you will have to buy a laptop every year. However, before we do that, the most pressing issue for us is to have schools in ASAL areas which are functioning for our girls to study and make the teachers happy. This time round, we have a very serious Parliament; let us fight for teachers. Let the teachers get their allowances and let us not allocate money for luxuries or to build palatial homes. If we start building a very big home for every President who retires and many people are suffering in the streets – people who cannot put food on their table – we will not go anywhere. Let us make sure we put our money where we will get maximum returns. One area is motivating the teacher and the girl- child in ASAL areas, so that they are like women in other places.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I learnt the other day through the media that enrolment of girls is higher than that of boys in Central Province, but in ASAL areas it is the other way round. Let us implement affirmative action to protect the girl-child in ASAL areas by building proper boarding schools, equipping them, and ensuring that we motivate the existing teachers. We should also employ more teachers, so that the ratio of teacher to pupil is 30 to1.
  • With those few remarks, I beg to support.
  • Stephen Wachira Karani

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I also stand to support this Motion. To begin with, I am one of the people who have come to whisper to your ears. I have done that because I have been trying for the last three weeks to catch the Speaker’s eye but I have not succeeded. So, I hope you will not get offended.

  • Stephen Wachira Karani

    I stand here to support this Motion by hon. Dukicha, and say that it ought to have come yesterday. The girl-child in this country, especially in the arid areas, has been

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  • affected. That is why you realize that we have very few children going to school in ASAL areas; the majority who do so are boys. Therefore, this is a very important Motion that will help the girl-child in those areas. However, there is one thing in this Motion that I would like to comment about; I hope hon. Dukicha will consider it. Education has no boundaries in relation to gender; as the supporters of the Motion have said. In some areas like Central Kenya and other areas we have reached a point where the boy-child is also in danger. So, we may put emphasis on the girl-child in the arid areas and some years to come, we find that we have a problem with the boys as well. I am saying this because it is very clear from the Motion that the girls who drop out of school get married; the question we are supposed to ask ourselves is who marries those young children? There are also boys who have not been educated. Therefore, when we talk about this Motion, we should consider having schools for both genders. So, I would like hon. Dukicha to consider amending this Motion, so that it includes the boy-child.
  • The other thing I want to do is to congratulate some religious groups in this country like the Catholic and others who have established boarding schools. It is easier for those boarding schools to have some amenities and structures---
  • (An hon. Member crossed the Floor without bowing at the Bar)
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Order, hon. Member! Let us see whether the hon. Member knows how to cross the Floor.

  • (The hon. Member went to the Bar and bowed)
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    You may proceed, Hon. Karani!

  • Stephen Wachira Karani

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I was thanking the Catholic and other religious groups who are establishing boarding schools in the ASAL areas. Once the schools are established, it is easier to put up infrastructure and amenities like security, electricity, good roads and water. With those few remarks, I beg to support.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): I want to call upon hon. Gikaria, who has an amendment to this Motion; let us listen to his amendment.

  • David Gikaria

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this Motion and thank hon. Dukicha for having brought it. However, I beg to propose some amendments to this Motion. I propose that we delete the words “in arid and semi arid areas (ASAL)” appearing on the second line and insert the words “across the country” in place thereof. The second one is by deleting the words “in most of these areas” appearing on the fifth line and lastly by deleting the words “all ASAL areas” in the last line and inserting the following words:- “needy constituencies using the criteria that establishes the need and ensure equity, taking into consideration the special needs of ASAL areas.”

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Please stick to the amendment you have given to the Chair to approve. I see a deviation from what you have given me to approve. Please stick to the amendment you gave me. If you are changing it, you will need to come to the Clerk and have it approved a second time.

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    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, in the last amendment, I wanted to take into account the fact that ASAL areas need something special, but the last one should appear as deleting the words “all ASAL areas” in the last line and inserting the words “the country” in place thereof.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Please repeat because what you have given me talks about deleting some of the words and replacing them with nothing. Please repeat your amendment from the beginning for the sake of hon. Members. Be clear and do not change from what you have given the Chair.

  • David Gikaria

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the amendment in the first place is deleting the words “in the arid and semi arid areas (ASAL)” appearing on the second line and inserting the words “across the country” in place thereof. Secondly, it is deleting the words “in most of these areas” appearing on the fifth line. The third one is deleting the words “all ASAL areas” in the last line and inserting the words “the country” in place thereof.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Justify those amendments to hon. Members.

  • David Gikaria

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, these problems are not only in the ASAL areas but across the country. With due respect to the Mover of the Motion, if you look at my constituency, we do not have those problems but we have children, especially girls, who have dropped out of school, not to get married but---

  • (Hon. Lempurkel stood up in his place)
  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Put off your microphone, hon. Gikaria.

  • Mathew Lekidime Lempurkel

    On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I think the hon. Member who wants to introduce some changes to the Motion does not care. This Motion is specifically for a particular area, where pupils are mostly affected.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    That is an argument. What is your point of order?

  • Mathew Lekidime Lempurkel

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was just putting across that information.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Members, you have time to debate the Motion and then I will put the Question. So, please, do not use points of order as a way of making a contribution. I am actually very strict on this issue.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Proceed, hon. Gikaria.

  • David Gikaria

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. You told me to justify my amendment. According to the explanation given by the Mover of the Motion, one of the issues is that some of these areas have been marginalised for quite a while. I agree with him on that fact. However, one of the reasons he is trying to advance in support of his Motion is poverty. Really, poverty does not just affect the ASAL areas. Even in urban areas, like my constituency, poverty has pushed girls out of school. Much as we have free primary education, there are parents who cannot afford to buy school uniforms for their daughters. So, when the girl-child of such a parent goes to school, she is told to go home and ask her parents to buy uniforms for her. Such a child has no option

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  • but to start working as a house help. The boys go to the quarries and other places to do manual jobs.
  • Even in Nairobi, we recently saw it reported by one of the media houses that a child called Akinyi would leave school and proceed to sell groundnuts in the evening up to sometime past midnight. When the journalist asked the child where she came from, she gave the name of her school. The media never told her that they would visit her in school, but they did so the following morning, at 8.00 a.m. and, surely, they found her in class. So, we are saying that we appreciate that marginalised areas like ASALs are affected, but that does not stop us from thinking about the welfare of the girl child in urban areas and other areas affected by poverty. That is why I am moving this amendment; I am doing so, so that we urge the Government to consider the affected girl-child not only in ASAL areas but across the country.
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Who is seconding your amendment, hon. Gikaria?

  • David Gikaria

    I have my brother here, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Before he does so, what is your point of order, hon. Mati?

  • G.J. Munuve Mati

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, from the way the hon. Member has proceeded, it seems as if he just wants to “assassinate” the Motion. What he needs to do is just coming to the House with another Motion focussing on the girl-child nationally in terms of education.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Mati, let me put it right for you. If you felt that the amendments were totally changing the whole intention of it, you would be right. Unfortunately, the Clerk and the Chair have approved these amendments because they do not appear to deviate from the core issue, which is increasing the number of boarding schools for girls in Kenya. Therefore, that point of order is not valid.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    I now ask the Seconder of hon. Gikaria’s amendment to proceed.

  • Elisha Kipkorir Busienei

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I stand to support the Motion as amended. It is true that the girl-child in ASAL areas is facing challenges. However, at the same time the challenges that the girl-child is facing in the ASAL areas-- -

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Member, are you supporting the amendment?

  • Elisha Kipkorir Busienei

    Yes, I am, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Please, make it clear that you are supporting, as you speak.

  • Elisha Kipkorir Busienei

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am supporting the amendment. The proposed facilities are needed all over the country because the challenges that the girl-child is facing in the ASAL areas are more or less the same challenges that the girl-child in, for instance, Turbo Constituency is facing. Maybe, additional allocation should be made to the Equalisation Fund to help the ASAL areas, but the matters being considered in this Motion should be for the whole country.

  • Elisha Kipkorir Busienei

    With those remarks, I beg to support the amendment.

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  • (Question of the first part of the amendment, that the words to be left out be left out, proposed)
  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shabesh): Hon. Members, again, let me give you guidance. You will now be contributing to the amendment. You will be stating whether you support it or not. Once we dispose of the debate on the amendment, we will go on with debate on the Motion either as amended or in its original form.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    Yes, hon. Bare Shill.

  • Elias Bare Shill

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to oppose the amendment. Kenya is celebrating 50 years of Independence but during this period, we created two countries in one: a Kenya that has everything and a Kenya that has been marginalised. It is shameful. Over the last ten years, ASAL areas were recreated to an extent that Turkana and Nyeri counties have been put in the same category. For instance, the illiteracy rate in Turkana is almost 90 per cent, while the literacy rate in Nyeri is 90 per cent. However, if you look at the number of teachers, for instance, you will see that Nyeri County has more teachers than Turkana County, which has a much higher rate of illiteracy.

  • Elias Bare Shill

    What this Motion is really about is the fact that there are Kenyans who have been marginalised since Independence. We know that our new Constitution has given 30 per cent of public appointments to the female gender. We are unable to provide even the 30 per cent because our women are not educated just because they lacked the necessary infrastructure. For example, we have no nurses or teachers. Even in the security area, we cannot provide enough women to take up their quota because the security agencies need women with Kenya Certificate of Secondary Education (KCSE) qualification. We have multiple problems. So, I think it is in bad taste for somebody to introduce this kind of amendment to the Motion.

  • Elias Bare Shill

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, what we are saying is that ASAL areas have unique problems. They have a low enrolment. For instance, in my constituency, the percentage of school-going girl child is only 25, while in my counterpart’s constituency of Tetu is 90 per cent. So, we cannot compare those two constituencies while trying to create space in ASAL areas to boost enrolment of the girl-child through establishment of boarding schools for her. It does not make sense for one to say that they also want this facility. These are people who want to “kill” this Motion. I will tell them, as a Kenyan, that they must have that moral obligation of creating one Kenya rather than creating two Kenyas. It should hurt you when you see that girls are not going to school in Turkana---

  • Hon. Member

    On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Is the Hon. Member not misleading the House by saying that there are two Kenyas, yet we know that we only have one unitary Government in Kenya? We have one Kenya. I do not know what he is talking about when he talks about Kenya---

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): That is really a point or argument! Continue Hon. Shill.

  • Elias Bare Shill

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. It is well known that we have Kenya whose infrastructure has been developed properly and another which does not have a single kilometre of tarmac.

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  • (Applause)
  • It is a reality. I used the words “moral obligation”. We are Kenyans. You should have a good heart for other Kenyans. You should not be very happy when you see a Kenya that has been developed and a Kenya that is lagging behind. You cannot compare Turkana County with Nyeri County. You can also not compare Turkana County with Uasin Gishu County. Therefore, you should feel in your heart that there is a problem.
  • I oppose this amendment because we know many committees were created sometime to help people who have been marginalized. They are called “affirmative action committees.” We are saying that there are some cultural practices in the ASAL areas that are detrimental to girls’ education; for instance, early marriages and female genital mutilation (FGM). We know that women are used to drawing water in the ASAL areas. They are also used to fetching firewood. They do all domestic work while in some parts of the country women are not used to that kind of work. We are saying that these are the people we are targeting. We urge the Government to look at these areas with a merciful eye, because it is a fundamental right for a girl or a boy to be educated. This is more so in areas where people have been marginalized. We know girls in arid areas who have gone to schools where, in fact, there are no teachers. Some of them did wonders at their “O” Level without a chemistry or biology teacher. They are very intelligent and giving them boarding schools will really help.
  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Shill, please help us to hear a few more hon. Members, so that we dispose of the amendment. You can still speak on the Motion after the amendment.

  • Elias Bare Shill

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am saying that this amendment is not good. This is because it will dilute what we really wanted. Therefore, I urge this House, especially Members of Parliament who feel that they have a moral obligation to protect marginalized places, to vote against this amendment.

  • Elias Bare Shill

    Thank you.

  • Shakila Abdalla

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to oppose the amendment to this Motion. The idea of this Motion is to provide facilities where they lack. We know that there are areas even in urban areas that lack these facilities but they are not part of ASAL areas. You can come up with a different idea on how you can facilitate areas like Kibera. We know that these areas exist.

  • Shakila Abdalla

    However, in ASAL areas there are many challenges that a girl meets in her education. The challenges which girls face particularly in the ASAL areas are sexual harassment, poverty, early pregnancies and early marriages.

  • Shakila Abdalla

    We do not have any law to prevent early marriages. It is high time we came up with a law to prevent early marriages, so that we can protect our girls, and so that they can get proper education.

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh): Hon. Shakila, remember that we are on the amendment. You can speak on the Motion later on.

  • Shakila Abdalla

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.

  • Philip Lotiolo Ruto Rotino

    Thank you very much, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this amendment, which I oppose. The amendment is in bad taste because it tends to dilute the original Motion, which had a specific intention

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  • or goal, that is to address problems in ASALs. However, the amended Motion tends to dilute the original Motion. As members of Parliament who come from ASAL areas, we vehemently oppose the amendment. I want hon. Members to oppose the amendment, so that we can go back to the original amendment to address the girl-child problem; it is a specific problem that we face in the ASAL areas. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I plead that you also give me a chance to contribute to the original Motion because it is something that touches my heart. This is because I come from a constituency that has a specific girl-child problem; we need to address it through having low cost boarding schools for the girl-child and keep her in such schools. Supporters of this amendment should bring a different Motion to address the specific problem this amendment is meant to address. That is a different thing all together. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to oppose the Motion and appeal to other hon. Members to oppose it. I also appeal to you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker to put the Question.
  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Member, you have directed me to do something that you should not do when you are on your feet and you have contributed. I will give one more hon. Member a chance to contribute, so that it does not look like there is an attempt to direct the Chair from where you are seated. Yes, Hon. (Maj-Gen.) Nkaissery.

  • Joseph Nkaissery

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the amendment. There are three areas in our Constitution which are very fundamental. Article 43(1)(f) says that every child is entitled to education. That does not mean a child from the ASAL areas; it means all the children of Kenya. Article 55(a) also specifies that it is a right of the youth to be given education and training. Article 55(b) demands that the marginalized be given the opportunity to education. So, the Mover of this amendment is trying to assist all the children of Kenya.

  • Joseph Nkaissery

    We have to resist with reasons. All the children, whether they are in ASAL areas, arid or in urban areas are children of Kenyans. The Constitution says that each child is entitled to education. I want to be very specific on this. When the Constituencies Development Fund (CDF) was introduced, it covered the whole country. I want to ask my colleague from the ASAL area: What stopped him from putting up a boarding school during the ten years of the CDF?

  • (Applause)
  • Joseph Nkaissery

    With regard to the issue of the girl-child, let us not forget that what we have is compulsory primary education, which was introduced by former President Kibaki. The chiefs, DOs and DCs from those areas belong to jail if those children do not go to school. The Jubilee Manifesto declares that both primary and secondary school education will be compulsory. We want to see this Government fulfilling this promise. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I support this amendment. We need to move in that direction. We should not isolate some parts of this country. All children belong to Kenya and have the right to be given education.

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    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I seek to oppose the amendment. I find it unfortunate and ill advised given the fact that there are special concerns in the areas that have been mentioned by the Motion. We should be able to treat this country as an equal opportunity country, but socio-economically this country is not equal. We have the other Kenya which suffers from abject poverty, marginalization, serious underdevelopment and so on. Unless there is an intervention of the kind this hon. Member has requested in his Motion, then obviously we are not going to help the many needy girls in the arid areas. It is important that we clothe those who are naked and feed those who are hungry. This amendment tells me that we should add more to someone who already has something. There is already poverty even in my constituency, which is in central Nairobi. However, it is certainly not equal in terms of scale and needs to Turkana, Moyale or Wajir. I think this is a legitimate Motion that we should support. I would like to advise my colleague to withdraw his amendments because they serve to kill this deserving Motion. He should bring another Motion with regard to those other areas and we will support it.

  • (Question, of the first part of the amendment, that the words to be left out be left out, put and negatived)
  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Members, for clarity purposes we are now going to debate the Motion as originally set out in the Order Paper.

  • (Debate on the original Motion resumed)
  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Yes, Dr. Shaban

  • Naomi Shaban

    Thank you very much, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I want to join others in congratulating hon. Dukicha for coming up with this Motion which highlights the problems that the ASAL areas are facing, more so where the education of the girl-child is concerned. Close to 80 per cent of the land mass of this country is semi- arid. In fact, we have areas that are arid, and which are so near Nairobi, but which most people do not even know. For example, if you visit the larger Limuru area, or a place called Ndeiya, you will be surprised that it is so near Nairobi yet it is so different from Nairobi. We have areas where people assume that the girl-child is okay and is able to attend school. It is no wonder that our Constitution recognizes that there should be an Equalization Fund which is supposed to fund development in these areas. One issue that has been highlighted is education. The girl-children in these areas drop out of school every month when they have their monthly periods. They actually run away from school because of the high poverty levels. That is why the Government set up a special kitty for purchase of sanitary towels for the children, especially those in these ASAL areas. We cannot say that we are equalizing this country when the girl-child is left behind. As much as the Government policy is to ensure that we have compulsory education at primary and secondary level, I would like to point out that the inequalities in

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  • this country are quite serious and severe in most of these areas. In the last Government we had to look at different areas, so we had workers in some areas getting hardship allowance. A taskforce was established and it realized that there were many other areas where teachers deserved the hardship allowance, but they had been left out, yet teachers in areas that did not deserve it were being given the hardship allowance. We expanded the areas that needed to be looked at in terms of the hardship allowance, and where teachers were concerned. We realized that this was not an issue to be dealt with at the lower level; it needed to be dealt with at the national level. The public servants who worked in these areas needed to be brought into the loop and given the hardship allowance.
  • [The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon.(Ms.) Shebesh) left the Chair]
  • [The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. Cheboi) took the Chair]
  • It is a pity that 50 years after Independence we still have children out of school for various reasons and because of the poverty levels. I want to congratulate hon. Dukicha who comes from an area that is faced with drought and conflict amongst communities. I support this very deserving Motion.
  • Zainab Kalekye Chidzuga

    Ahsante sana Mhe Naibu Spika wa Muda. Naunga mkono Hoja hii kuhusu mtoto wa kike. Sisi tunaoishi katika sehemu kame sio kwamba tuliomba kuishi kule bali ni maumbile ya Mwenyezi Mungu. Serikali zilizopita zilitutenga ndio maana tumeamua kuwa na Hoja kama hii. Namuunga mkono Mhe. Dukicha kwa kuleta Hoja hii. Kwa kweli hakuna shule katika sehemu kame. Hata kama mtazungumzia CDF, tunafahamu kwamba imekuja juzi tu. Miaka ya nyuma shule hazikujengwa. Kuna sehemu za wafugaji wanaotafutia wanyama wao lishe. Wao hata hawana nafasi ya kusoma. Ndiposa tunaonelea kuwe na shule ambako watoto watalala na kusoma. Mimi nazungumzia watoto wote wa kike na wa kiume wanaoishi katika sehemu hizi kame. Mwenzangu amesema kuwa nchi nzima inafaa kuangaliwa kupitia Hoja hii. Lakini kuna kule ambako ni Kenya na kule ambako ni Kenya nusu. Kwa hivyo, Kenya nusu nayo ivutwe angalau ifike karibu na Kenya nzima ndio tujihesabu kuwa katika nchi moja. Hii haitafanyika mpaka mambo ya elimu yaangiliwe na yatekelezwe kwa wakati unaofaa. Kwa sababu ya ukosefu wa elimu katika maeneo kame, ile hesabu inapoletwa kwamba watu waajiriwe kwa kiwango fulani, sisi tunakosa hizo nafasi. Kwa upande wa kuwaajiri askari au wauguzi, tunakosa nafasi. Tunaletewa watu kule kwetu ambao hawako tayari kufanya kazi kule. Mtu anaajiriwa kazi leo na baada ya miezi mitatu anaomba kuhamishwa. Anasema huko kuna shida nyingi. Kwa hivyo, tupewe hizi nafasi. Serikali inafaa kutoa pesa za kutosha na kutujengea mashule ili watoto hawa wasome na kuwa watu ambao watatuhudumia kule kwetu, ambako wengine hawataki kufanya kazi. Kama alivyosema mhe. Shaban, wengine wanapatiwa pesa za kuwsaidia katika sehemu ambazo zina uzito wa utendaji wa kazi, lakini hawastahili kupewa hizo pesa na

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  • wale ambao wanastahili zile pesa, hawapewi. Tunaomba na tunatilia mkazo kwamba Hoja hii, ambayo imeletwa na mhe. Dukicha, itiliwe maanani na Serikali ya Jubilee na ione umuhimu wa watoto kupata elimu kwa wakati unaofaa. Tunaomba pesa za elimu zielekezwa kwa ASALs kwa wingi ili tujenge shule. Pia, wafadhili wanaotoka nje waache kuangalia Serikali kuu kwa sababu katika Serikali kuu sio kwamba ndiko kuna utendaji wa kazi pekee. Utendaji wa mambo sasa uko katika maeneo ya Bunge na kaunti. Peza zipelekwe kwa maeneo ya Bunge ili tuweze kuboresha maisha ya watu wetu. Ninaunga mkono Hoja hii.
  • Protus Ewesit Akujah

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion. Before I make my contribution, I want to thank the hon. Members who denounced the amendment that was proposed because it was killing this Motion. I totally agree that the number of school dropouts, especially girls in ASAL areas is very high. For example, if 100 girls are enrolled in Class One, only less than 20 finish high school. This shows the unconducive learning environment that these pupils go through. One of the reasons is insecurity. In most of the ASAL areas, there is a lot of insecurity. In my constituency, there is cattle rustling and insecurity is the order of the day. Secondly, the distance from home to where the girls attend school is more than five kilometers. So, you can see the harassment and the problems that the girls will undergo. Some of them will end up with unwanted pregnancies because you do not know what happens between their homes and the school. I support this Motion also because civilization and religion went to the ASAL areas later and people are still engaged in some harmful cultural practices. For us to be compared with the rest of Kenyans - the way somebody wanted to do by amending the Motion - we need to be given some facilities to enable us to attain the same level with the rest of Kenyans. The Kenya Government should borrow a leaf from the Ethiopian Government where the girl-child is given some incentives, including their families. I worked in Ethiopia and I realized that in areas like Afar, Tigilai and Borana, the girl-child is given some incentives. They are given oil and some special treatment, so that when they take the incentives home, they encourage even the parents to take their girls to school. This encourages the girls to go to school; the incentives are given based on attendance. The girls are given incentives for attending school alone. The families will always push them to go to school. Another thing that I want to add is that the rising levels of poverty in the ASAL areas are also a contributor to the high school drop-out in the ASAL areas. In as much as we will want to be compared to other areas, building dormitories in schools will keep girls in school. It will also reduce the pressure on the parents, most of whom do not have income generating activities, or ways of getting food for these children. In boarding schools girls will face less pressure in looking for food and indulging in some activities which might not be conducive to learning. I support the Motion.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Ogalo; kindly, do not talk on the amendment which failed. Just proceed and talk on this Motion.

  • George Oner Ogalo

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I did not have any such intention. I was going to speak about the Motion as guided earlier.

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  • While I support this Motion, I know that the position articulated here by the Mover of the Motion, hon. Dukicha, applies 100 per cent to the area I come from. I do not know whether Rangwe Constituency is ASAL or not. If it is not ASAL, this Motion is relevant to many other parts of the country and not only to the ASAL areas. Education is the most critical thing in realizing development. I support the girl- child education in this country. I look forward to having 100 per cent enrolment of girls in both primary and secondary education. Even as I support the girl-child education, I am very clear in my mind that the boy-child is equally lagging behind now, and education investment should be made to make both boys and the girls attain quality primary and secondary education. I, therefore, support education. I am glad that currently, in the Budget Estimates that we have just dispensed with, about Ksh3 billion has been allocated to education. I look forward to this House coming up with something like a School Infrastructure Development Fund that will address the situation in schools infrastructure throughout the country. This will also enable the ASAL areas to grow. In Rangwe Constituency, I had only one girls boarding secondary school and it became a national school. So, it now admits girls from all over the country, including from ASAL areas. That left my constituency without a secondary school for girls. This year, we have just started a secondary school for girls and I look forward to this House looking for ways of appropriating money in the future to help constituencies like mine to build more boarding schools for girls and even for boys. The problem of boarding schools is a national issue. For a constituency like mine, which is considered a high potential constituency, the girls drop out of schools because they have to use boda bodas from their homes to school. For this reason, they find it difficult to continue being in school. The ladies in this House know what I am talking about. The boda boda operators who take the girls to school take advantage and they get into relationships with the girls; this makes it difficult for the girls to continue being in school. As we address the issue of the ASAL areas, I would like boarding schools for girls to be increased in my constituency to cater for the upper primary and secondary school girls. In Rangwe, we have one school called Nyariang’a Girls, which has boarding facilities and Rangwe Girls, which has just started and does not have boarding facilities. If we manage as a House to establish this School Infrastructure Development Fund, I will be able to also find money to develop primary schools.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we just saw an allocation of Kshs17 billion for purchasing laptops. If you look at this Motion and you compare it with the desire to have laptops for primary school kids, you will see clearly that we have a lopsided priority list. If we have places where people still do not have boarding schools to cater for girls and somebody wants to appropriate Kshs17 billion for laptops, what is more important? With the Kshs17 billion we can build 100 classrooms per constituency; this will help improve schools’ infrastructure tremendously. So, as this House begins discussing the Finance Bill, I would like to see a House which is more in touch with these realities and reallocate that money to either deal with school infrastructure, motivate teachers or employ 64,000 more teachers. We should not appropriate Kshs17 billion to any other purpose. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I support this Motion because education is key to development. Education has the first priority and as a national Government our core
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  • social programme at the grassroots as per the Fourth Schedule of the Constitution is education; we must pay attention to educational facilities to motivation of teachers and pupils. Give them capacity to be able to learn. As I sit down, I want to emphasise that the Mover of this Motion, hon. Dukicha, and others in this House with like minds, should come up and propose legislation that will make it mandatory for the nation to invest in school infrastructure for the next 10 years to ensure that our classrooms in schools are all developed. Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir.
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Ogalo, you realise that you went back to the Motion we amended; when you talk about it being national and so on--- This is a specific Motion to ASAL areas and I was wondering whether Rangwe itself is an ASAL constituency. I do not know whether it is. Yes, hon. Ntutu.

  • Patrick Keturet Ole Ntutu

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to also contribute to this very important Motion. First of all, I would like to thank my good friend, hon. Dukicha, for bringing this Motion. I realise that you probably have come to this House because of boarding school, like myself. I want to say that the boarding schools for girls is something that this country must take note of, because most of us who grew up in those ASAL areas in Maasai Mara went to boarding schools. Really without going to a boarding school, I probably would have never come to this House. Whenever drought occurred we were sent by our parents to go and look after cows, and that was actually where the problem is. I would probably have included boys in this Motion, but I know girls have more problems than boys. However, I am not going to get into that. I want to support this Motion in totality because I think for a long time our girls have had a lot of problems, particularly in day schools. Whenever kids go to school they get themselves into a lot of trouble; this is because of the fact that they travel so many kilometers from their respective homes to schools. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, so, I want to support this Motion by urging hon. Members of Parliament, particularly those who come from ASAL areas, to make sure that they use a lot of their Constituencies Development Fund (CDF) to build boarding schools. It will help a lot and I know this CDF has done wonders in these ASAL areas. I also want to urge hon. Members that now that we have devolved governments, particularly the county governments, we should use funds like the Equalisation Fund to build boarding schools; this will go a long way in helping the Government to have so many of them. The transition stage, as my colleagues have said is critical; a lot of girls start school at Standard One but when they reach Standard Seven and Eight, during their puberty stage, they start dropping out of school because of early marriages. This is because of various reasons but the main reason is that when they go to their homes in the ASAL areas their parents assign them chores. When kids leave school they do not go back home and revise their homework. That is why they drop out of school. So, I am urging this House to wholly support this Motion; we are actually targeting these particular areas which have been marginalized, and have so many other problems apart from those affecting girls.

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  • I want to ask you to support this Motion. I know my friend, the Leader of the Minority Party, has just left and he said that he was not sure whether the Jubilee Government has actually allocated funds for the Free Primary Education (FPE). I want to tell him that we have allocated enough money for FPE and Free Secondary Education (FSE); that should not be an issue. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, on the issue of the retired presidents, I want to inform hon. Members something about them. Members of Parliament just keep on talking about the issue of laptops and asking why the Jubilee Government wants to put money in it. I have just come from a meeting of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, of which I am a member. We have allocated money to the teachers. So, do not worry since teachers will get their money and they will go back to school and we will buy laptops. I want to tell hon. Members of this hon. House that on the issue of laptops, I remember very well that when His Excellency retired Mwai Kibaki---
  • Hon. Member

    On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Member in order to talk for the Government in the National Assembly? I mean we are an independent institution of governance. We are not the Executive. Secondly, is the hon. Member in order to be talking about matters which are irrelevant to the Motion before the House, and to which all these hon. Members want to contribute? He is talking about laptops and other things which we are not debating now.

  • Patrick Keturet Ole Ntutu

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Well, remember that I come from the Jubilee Government. I have to defend it every time that the other side raises issues; but I do not think I should engage myself---

  • The Temporary Deputy Speaker

    (Hon. Cheboi) But be relevant. Proceed, hon. ole Ntutu.

  • Patrick Keturet Ole Ntutu

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Some hon. Members also like talking about issues which are not relevant to the topic at hand, and I must also tell them that, that is not the issue. The issue of ASAL areas must be emphasised because we need boarding schools. I just want to urge my colleagues not to worry about other issues. We, as the Jubilee Government, are digital and we are going to do just as we have planned. Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Yes, hon. Kajuju.

  • Florence Kajuju

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion and I rely on the principle that you are supposed to invest in your children and not invest for your children. We, as parents, at times have misplaced ideas concerning where we want to acquire property, and thinking that our children will enjoy it. What matters is the investment that you make in your child, especially a girl-child. I support this Motion on account that some of the ASAL areas have pastoralist communities who keep moving, as is their culture, in search of pasture for their livestock. We find that for a girl to acquire education, we cannot afford to have them move with their parents to new pastures. Therefore, a boarding school is the most convenient and assured means of ensuring that your child goes to school as provided for in Chapter Four of our Constitution. In parts of the county I come from, especially Nyambene, girls do not go to school, and if they do they drop out. The reason is that there are cultural practices that

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  • undermine their going to school. You will find that a girl will be subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM) and immediately after that she will graduate to early marriage. Once you put a girl in a boarding school, you are assured that she will receive education up to the end. It was said by an hon. Member here - I beg to support them - that once you invest in a girl by educating her, you invest in an entire nation. It is also said that if you educate a man - Hon. Kaluma will agree with me - you only educate one person. Therefore, I am begging that this Motion be passed to ensure that girls access all educational facilities. You will also find that if there is a boarding school and there are persons who want to help children, it is easier to access them and provide for them when they are in a boarding school. Education cannot be given without other facilities and these include teachers. That is why I am saying that as much as we want to talk about education of the children, we cannot just say “ bora elimu ”. We have to speak about “ elimu bora ” and elimu bora will be provided when teachers are also provided for. That is why I am saying that we should think about the children and the teachers. With those few remarks, I beg to support.
  • Michael Aringo Onyura

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion. I have a lot of sympathy for this Motion and that is why I was very uncomfortable when there was an attempt to amend it. It is difficult enough for the girl child anywhere. I am just imagining that it must, therefore, be much more difficult in an environment like the ASAL areas. It is very important that everything be done to employ affirmative action in situations like this, where the Government is committed to providing universal education. If we are going to ensure that we attain this kind of goal, then affirmative action in situations like this is called for very much. I support this Motion bearing in mind that education is the foundation of every form of development. That is where development will start. If we do not assist in ASAL areas, then we shall never get the equality that we are looking for, or we are advocating for, as a nation and a Government. While focusing on this, we should also look at the various other hindrances that affect education, the sort of hurdles that the girl-child has to go through. A number of them are occasioned by the community practices and cultural beliefs. A number of them have been mentioned here. We have some communities that have certain beliefs, or cultural activities that hinder the progress of the children we are talking about. These are activities like FGM and early marriages, some of which are cultural---

  • (Hon. Okoth crossed the Floor without bowing at the Bar)
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Order, hon. Okoth!

  • (Hon. Okoth went to the Bar and bowed)
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Proceed, hon. Onyura!

  • Michael Aringo Onyura

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think these issues need to be addressed, so that the girl-child, who suffers a lot of these disadvantages, is protected.

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  • Even those of us parents who might want to look at a girl-child as an investment, I think the value of the investment will be much more enhanced if we support her and make sure that she gets proper education; this will make them good mothers, wives and good community members. So, we need to do everything in our power to support the girl- child. With those few remarks, I strongly support this Motion.
  • Benson Makali Mulu

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity. I rise to support this Motion. When you look at our Constitution, Article 43(1)(f), every Kenyan is entitled to education. I think it is on the basis of this that we all need to have our children going to school. But when we look at the ASAL areas, we realize that girls are disadvantaged in terms of accessing education. When you analyze the national education indicators, they are all unfavourable to the girl-child. For example, when you look at the enrolment rate, you will realize that it is low for the girl-child. When you consider the dropout rate, it is also very high in the case of the girl-child. That also applies to the transition rates; they are quite low. Many girls enroll at Standard One but by the time they get to Standard Eight, a number of things have happened; what we call “extracurricular activities” will have forced them to drop out of school. In view of these factors, I think it is important that we all support this Motion. I get concerned when I hear some hon. Members saying that this situation also exists in many other parts of Kenya. I think we all, as Kenyans, also appreciate the fact that some regions of this country are disadvantaged; that is why we have the Equalization Fund ; it is meant to be used to see if we can push those regions to catch up with the rest of Kenya. I also think that when you look at the kind of distances covered in some of the ASAL areas to get to school--- Most of the girls will be expected to cover around ten kilometers in the morning to get to school. What this does is that it forces the parents to wait until the children, or the girl-child is about eight or nine years to join Standard One. That forces them to start their education when it is late and because of that they drop out and get into early marriages. Even when you look at the cultural practices in some of the ASAL areas, they discourage the girl-child from pursuing her education. I want to plead with all hon. Members to support this Motion, so that at the end of the day, the girl-child accesses education. This can easily be done if we support the construction of the boarding schools in ASAL areas. I totally agree with those saying that educating a girl-child is educating the nation. We all believe it! Those of us who are not lucky to have mothers who are literate, I am sure we have been disadvantaged in one way or another; this is because an educated mother is able to take care of her children better than one who has not gone to school. Research has also confirmed that an educated mother, or woman, is able to manage her businesses better. She is able to keep simple books of accounts and because of that she is able to differentiate between profit and loss. We find that ladies who are educated do better in businesses and it is important that we support this Motion. As I conclude, the other thing I want to say is that good education for the girl- child comes as a package. Doing the boarding school alone will not provide that package, and I think we should support teachers. We all know that teachers are up in arms for their allowances. I think it is high time we supported the girl-child to access education; we should also motivate the teachers enough, so that they can provide services to the

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  • children in their classes. In that way, we will assure the quality of education and the girl- child will do well in boarding schools. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, with those few remarks, I beg to support this Motion.
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Yes, hon. Kihagi.

  • John Karanja Kihagi

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also rise to support the Motion, of course, with serious reservations; based on your earlier warning about the defeat of the amendment. The amendment was for a good reason but, as a reasonable hon. Member, I understand and appreciate the concern that the amendment would have defeated the main agenda of the Motion.

  • John Karanja Kihagi

    I come from a constituency which is largely ASAL within a county which is agriculturally productive. Therefore, my constituency is totally disadvantaged in that it is not classified by the relevant Ministry as an ASAL area. In Nakuru County, Njoro, Molo and Kuresoi are highly productive agricultural areas. However, as you move from what even hon. (Dr). Shaban talked about; there are areas which are dry. If you move to the lower side of Mai Mahiu, Longonot, Suswa and Gilgil, you pass through an expansive area of dry land, which is not recognised as an ASAL area just because we belong to the larger Nakuru County. There lies the discrimination that could have prompted some of us to oppose the Motion but, understanding that this is a progressive nation, I want to support this Motion with the full knowledge that the girl child is disadvantaged. The girl child is vulnerable in all circumstances and more so those found in ASAL areas. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to congratulate the lady hon. Members who have endured the hostile environment occasioned by the aridity of the areas in which they were brought up. For them to have made it to this august House is testimony that women are a lot that can persevere. There is need to empower women in this country. We stand to gain as a nation by empowering the woman. As I started my campaigns in 2011, I visited a part of my constituency, which is mainly inhabited by pastoralists – members of the Maasai community. When I went there, I looked at the enrolment and I saw clearly that the numbers of male and female pupils who joined Standard One were almost equal. However, I realised that as the children progressed in their education towards Standard Eight, only about three or four of the girls who would enrol in Standard One would still be in school. When I discussed this matter with the school committee, it emerged that the girl child in that community does not have any vision beyond Standard Eight and, therefore, it was deemed unnecessary for girls to proceed with education up to Standard Eight. By the time the girl child attained the age of 15, the only option for her was to get married. I am happy to say that I challenged the community and we started a secondary school, which now has about 34 students, half of whom are female. I agree with everybody that if girls were encouraged to go to boarding schools, we would have a better transition from primary to secondary school and most of them would access college education for the betterment of the community. An issue was also raised in this House yesterday regarding the responsibility of parents. I want to expand this to include teachers. Teachers, especially head teachers, have to go back to being managers. We visited institutions in this country which we believed could be better managed if the teachers were a bit more innovative. Teachers should encourage and challenge the

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  • communities they serve to pool resources together and ensure that they progress to have better institutions. Even us, as Members of Parliament, we should be challenged by the poverty in our respective constituencies and encourage our communities to not just wait for the Government to do things for them but also pool resources together to improve our institutions of learning. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have been in this House for only three months but I am already worried about the level at which we are putting the Government to task despite the fact that we are the same people who budget for the meagre resources that this country has. Can we all, as leaders, rise to the occasion and take the challenge, knowing that we also have to challenge our communities to pool resources together to ensure that we put up some of the required facilities? Of course, challenges are there. I have asked some of my constituents to ensure that we put up boarding facilities but some of them told me: “No, we cannot have boarding facilities here because once we do so; they will attract students from all over the country.” As hon. Ogalo said, once such facilities are put up, they will attract students from all over the country, and the facility will no longer belong to that particular community. Can we show them that, that is now the trend? By attracting students from other communities, such facilities promote cultural interaction among the communities of this country. What emerges from such cross- cultural interaction is a better Kenyan, who understands members of all other ethnic communities of this country. With those remarks, I beg to support the Motion and thank hon. Dukicha for bringing it to the House.
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Yes, hon. Dido Rasso.

  • Col (Rtd) Ali Rasso Dido

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the Motion. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to say on the outset that we pay special tribute to teachers in the ASAL areas as well as to the girl child, who endures so much hardships as she goes to school. As previous speakers said, educating the girl child is educating the nation. Within the ASAL areas, at the entry point of Standard One, the numbers of boys and girls are equal. However, as time goes by, the number of girls reduces drastically. Towards the end of primary education, the number of girls dwindles to about 25 per cent of the initial enrolment. If you transcend that trajectory to higher levels of learning, you find that for every ten boys who progress to the college-level, only one girl gets to that level. Recently, in Marsabit County, when the Governor was recruiting members of his Executive Committee, it was difficult to have the critical mass of ladies applying for those jobs. The problem started at a very early stage in life for the ladies. In Saku which is my constituency, we only have one primary girls school and two secondary girls schools. That number is really deplorable. This is because many girls do not access higher education after primary school.

  • Col (Rtd) Ali Rasso Dido

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, culture is also endemic and it is something that we, the leaders from the ASAL areas, must address. These are issues of female genital mutilation (FGM), early marriages and discouraging the girl child from pursuing higher education. That discouragement disables the girl-child from pursuing higher education.

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  • Getting quality education is another issue. Parents in most ASAL communities see that when the boy and the girl-child go to school at the same time, the boy-child should get preference for higher education than the girl-child.
  • Most of the women in the ASAL communities become poor and because of the way the society has been structured or because the system failed to address their plight at very early age, it means that they will not access employment. This is because accessing wealth can only be possible by getting the right and proper education.
  • I think what hon. Dukicha has raised, without undermining the rights and privileges of the boy-child, is important. Under Article 19 on rights and fundamental freedom, I think the Motion before this House finds and places before us that the girl- child is disadvantaged and that she needs protection.
  • We believe that if we are able to get enough secondary schools and primary schools or boarding facilities for the girls, it is possible to retain the girls in those institutions for long. It is also easy for the teachers to focus on the girl-child’s progress in education.
  • Recently, I was privileged to attend an education day in my constituency. One of the major issues the teachers raised with me is to have a boarding facility in both primary and secondary schools. Although they did not talk specifically for the girl-child, they see sense in having a boarding facility where the girl-child can attend to avoid performing household chores that she is assigned by the family. This should not really happen because that is not how the boy-child is treated. Therefore, I believe that this Motion is timely and is necessary for the ASAL areas. We call upon the Government – sometimes before this House we say we request or urge the House to do something. However, I believe that we demand in this case that the girl-child is entitled to equal rights before the law within the ASAL areas
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to support this Motion.
  • Thank you.
  • Richard Moitalel ole Kenta

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to also contribute to this Motion. Coming from an ASAL area, I understand the problems the girl-child faces.

  • Richard Moitalel ole Kenta

    The nature of our livelihood or the way we live dictates that we should have schools of this nature especially for the girl-child. This is because we migrate from one place to another in search of water and pasture. This has affected a great deal the people living in the ASAL areas.

  • Richard Moitalel ole Kenta

    For a long time, the girl-child in these communities has been seen as part of the assets of the family especially the father who “sells” her as he wishes when she grows up. I believe that this should not be the case because these are human beings with hearts and feelings. They have a right to live their lives to the full without the intervention from anybody, including the parents.

  • Richard Moitalel ole Kenta

    If you look at the Constitution, the Children Act and the Penal Code, you will find that they provide for the protection of these children. But unfortunately the people who are supposed to protect them do not implement these laws. You will find that a child who is barely 15 years is married to an old man of 60 years. I believe that these laws and rules should be implemented so that a child can live her life to the fullest.

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  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I believe that it is not just a pastoralists’ problem but a Kenyan problem. We should accept the pastoralists more than anybody else. When you see people or the pastoralist Members being agitated when somebody wants to amend this Motion, it is not because we do not care about children from other areas, but it is because as we have said and we will continue to say, since Independence, some areas were left out of the development agenda of this country. That is why we see these things happening. We are saying that this should never happen again. We are saying that this trend should be reversed forever. I believe that the CDF should be utilized not as national revenue or anything like that. If we let the Government to do these things, the girl-child will continue to suffer.
  • I believe that we should start with the resources at hand and that is the CDF. We must make sure that it is used to help build one special boarding school so that these children do not just get education, but high quality education.
  • I believe that the county governments will also play a great role because the resources that are from the Equalization Fund are supposed to be utilized for such very important or noble needs of the girl-child. I believe that, that should be done and we should all work hand in hand. That should go to the local governments out there and the CDF committees.
  • The other issue is that you cannot also have quality education and boarding schools without teachers. I believe that those areas are mostly hardship areas but unfortunately the Government does not look into that. How do you expect the teachers to take care of our children if we are not taking care of them? I believe that the allowances that are owed to the teachers must be paid. The hardship allowances must be re- introduced in areas that need them. From there any Kenyan child will be able to benefit. I support this Motion and I believe that it is something that should be implemented. The girl-child should be protected, be made to know that she is Kenyan and she has all the constitutional rights that she deserves like any child.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to support this Motion.
  • Alice Nyanchoka Chae

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion. Where I come from my teacher told me that culture is social legacy as pertains to people’s barbaric reality. Culture sometimes favors others the way the hon. Member who spoke before me said. The societal settings have favored men and so they have been given power time immemorial. The girl-child is thus always struggling; I also struggled. When we look at the favouritism by the societal settings, we find that in cultures like the one I come from it is manifested in domestic chores. The schools are there, but the norms and beliefs that we used to hold onto are no more. This is because of permissiveness in society. Even the young girls have started to discover themselves and they know their duties differently. We are seeing things like prostitution on the rise. The girls are running away from home to come to the urban areas in order to make money. As much as we know that poverty is there, other things are happening. In the ASAL areas, the problems there are more pronounced. While we talk of early marriages, early pregnancies, abortions, increased HIV/AIDS infections, prostitution and so on, in my county there are other problems. The first one is distance. One school is further from the other. They talk of insecurity and cattle rustling. Even we say that we want to put up mobile schools there, it will not work.

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  • I support the Motion because this is the only way we can save the girl-child. She is not safe at home because she goes out to look for firewood. She is burdened with domestic chores. On the way to school, she experiences problems. She is faced with the threat of rape. She could easily get pregnant. She is so vulnerable. In the school too she is not safe. She is afraid of the male students and teachers in the school. She is actually not safe. The only safe place, if we want to save this endangered species, is the boarding school. We say that if we educate a woman we educate the whole community. If you want something to be done give it to a woman and she will do it. If you want something to be said, tell men. They will talk about it. If we want our country to develop and mostly the ASAL areas then we need to empower women. We need to avail the facilities. As vulnerable as they are they have the power; it is only that they have been curtailed. They need to come out of that culture where they do not value the woman. Boarding schools are very important and they are needed in the ASAL areas so that the woman can also prevail. I stand to support.
  • G.J. Munuve Mati

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand to support this Motion because it intends to address inequalities in the development of our country. The ASAL areas have continued to lag behind. Successive Government’s investment priorities since Independence have favoured certain areas. It is, therefore, natural that we look for ways of addressing these inequalities. I commend the Jubilee Government for coming up with a budget that seeks to equalize those unequal developments. However, we need to deal with the girl-child specifically because she suffers much more than the rest of the society in the ASAL areas. Teachers tend to like to go to urban areas where comfort levels are higher. In my constituency, Mwingi North, most of the schools have one-half of the teachers required simply because nobody wishes to come and teach there where he or she will most likely sleep in a grass thatched house. We also need to look at the issue of income distribution. We talk about the country as if we have a uniform income for the whole population. That is unfair because we are likely to perpetuate the inequalities that already exist and are being addressed through other positive discriminatory policies. I went to school in Kyuso. I would walk 15 kilometres to school and 15 kilometres back home. That has now changed, but slightly. We need to have boarding schools so that a number of girls are able to make it through our education system. Three weeks ago, I attended a school education day. The biggest disappointment that I got was that in one sub-location alone we had 15 girls who had dropped from primary school as a result of early pregnancy. This would not have happened if the girls were in boarding schools. I realize that we cannot have boarding schools for every child, but at least let us protect a few who will go back to educate and support other girls. In conflict areas where we have cattle rustling and insecurity, women tend to be more vulnerable. I strongly support that the Government comes up with a programme that will protect this vulnerable persons of our society. Hon. Dukicha could look at a situation where some of his investments in CDF come to Mwingi North. That way they will not have floods in lower Tana. This is because we will use the money to irrigate more land and empty the Tana and produce food for the people of Tana.

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  • I support this Motion and encourage my colleagues to support it so that we can get closer in terms of regional and social development. We need harmony. We need to make this country a uniform country with uniform development and not a country where social and regional inequalities are the order of the day.
  • Jackson Kipkorir Rop

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Motion. I want to thank my dear friend and neighbour, hon. Hassan Dukicha, Member for Galole from Tana River County, for bringing this very important Motion to this House. Girl-child education is of essence. As has been stated, educating a girl is educating a community. Therefore, there is need to help the people from the ASAL community to have enough boarding facilities for their children. In the ASAL areas, you can see the dangers the girls go through in terms of the distance they have to travel to school and in terms of the insecurity in those areas. Poverty that is prevailing in the region makes the girl-child to be an endangered species. Parents always keep them as a source of income. Therefore, they would want to marry them off as early as ten to 12 years old thus endangering their lives. I support the Motion that we should have enough boarding facilities in those areas. In my constituency, I have started a programme where every ward will have a public boarding primary school. The essence of this is to promote education in the region and improve performance. Not all the children who go to school have enough facilities at home. Some do not have enough space in their homes and others use the lantern lamp. So, I have thought of having a boarding public primary school in every ward in my constituency, so that we can boost education in the region. The ASAL areas are sparsely populated and schools have not been built as closer as in other places. The distance between one school and the other is over ten kilometers. So, you can imagine a girl-child walking for ten kilometers and back and she is sent to go and collect water. Compare that child with a child who has water within the precincts of her home and has enough time to read. These children are endangered. I want to support the Motion by my brother, hon. Dukicha, so that we can have enough facilities to enable these students continue with their education smoothly. We have been having a lot of inequalities in this country in terms of resources. We have been talking of resource allocation. As a result of that, there is the Equalization Fund which is to be allocated to the under-developed areas. The same applies to education. There have been disparities in education in this country and as a result, we need to have an equitable distribution of knowledge in the region through building enough facilities in these areas, so that the people can educate their children. I support this Motion, which is timely and well intended. I believe that all the Members from the ASAL areas will see the reason to support it, so that children from those areas can get quality education. The intention of my brother, hon. Dukicha, is to have these areas develop like other areas. As it has been said, educating a girl-child is educating a nation. These areas have been marginalized in terms of education. As such, they have not developed like other areas. I support this Motion, so that we can help the girl-child in the ASAL areas to get quality education.

  • George Peter Opondo Kaluma

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Mine has been a long time of patience. Education is a right, particularly basic education. We also reckon

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  • the fact that in the manifestos of both the leading coalitions, we had proposed to make both primary and secondary education compulsory. It is not something to debate about. The Motion is pertinent because it focuses the attention of the House and indeed, the nation, to what we need to do to make that right to education attainable, more particularly in the ASAL areas. It is now realized, and it is not a matter we could take too long debating, that to leave a girl-child in the ASAL areas to the normal education environment is to waste time. There are so many hindrances around education. Essentially, what we are emphasizing today is that we must create an environment where they can achieve quality education and having boarding facilities is a necessity. We must also be alive to the other things that should go with the boarding facilities. If I would put the mind of the House to reflection, in my constituency, we have a very low staffing level for teachers. For all the public secondary schools, we hardly have more than three teachers including the principal of the school as the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) employees. So, as we talk about boarding facilities, which we should all support for the ASAL areas and of course, we consider in the future other areas, we want to think about the number of teachers we have across the country. The lamentations about the numbers are real and this will hinder the implementation of this project that we are today debating. The teachers across the country are taking their children, particularly at the primary level, to academies. They reckon that they are too few to make any meaningful contribution to success in the learning institutions. As I support the Motion, I urge the Members to emphasis, particularly through the Committee on Education, Research and Technology, that the number of the teaching staff should be increased across the country. We could be talking about boarding facilities, but we need to know that without water, it means nothing. In fact, this is one major reason as to why we are moving the girl-child in the ASAL areas to an enclosed environment, namely, because of the problem of water. In schools in Homa Bay in my constituency, for example, Magare Girls; a beautiful school, you can see the struggle girls in a boarding school go through to get water to bath. In fact, they walk into villages to take some dirty water from some shallow points. It is terrible. So, when we talk about getting boarding facilities in the ASAL areas, water is a critical component. I invite the relevant Government departments and Ministries to an integrated approach in terms of making the facilities workable. You would not have boarding facilities without having teachers being housed within the facilities. I have been reviewing the education sector situation in my constituency of late and it is unfortunate that we have not digitized the system of production of digital or electronic evidence. If you see what we have as housing for the teachers in most of our schools, it is terrible. You question how a teacher residing in such a structure can think overnight, prepare fully, develop notes and transmit knowledge to the students the following day. So, teachers staffing is a critical component. We had spoken about sanitary towels. Let me thank hon. Shebesh because I remember that when we were moving the Motion on the Budget Estimates, she put a lot of weight to this area. I hope the Government will implement it. Having a girl-child in an institution without sanitary towels contributes largely to the low performance by the girl- child across the country. When I was in Standard Eight, a classmate was in that situation.
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  • For a whole month, she was stigmatized and still agonizing over what had happened and the laughter she had gone through as we were busy studying. It was therefore not a surprise when you looked at the scorecard at the end of the year, that the boys in the class did well.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, there is then the issue of culture and in as much as we are talking about this Motion, I believe the time has come for us as leaders of this nation to really take leadership. Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) has been prohibited by law. Our leaders across the nation are not coming firmly. I do not know whether they will lose votes if they came out firmly to say this law must now be implemented. I do not know what would happen but really I believe time has come for the leaders of this nation, particularly Members of the National Assembly to get out there and insist that laws such as that are implemented. We still watch television and we see the “Beads of bonds” or “Bonds of beads”. You place a necklace with dirty beads on the neck of a girl and you mortgage your girl for marriage. We have leaders of this country sitting in the House and I hope no male Member of Parliament got a wife through such retrogressive cultural practices because if there were such, we would be moving the nation for a recall clause. It is terrible. I think these are the things we need to deal with like early childhood marriages.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I speak about this with a heavy heart. My mother was one of the brightest girls in a boarding school in her age group. In fact, in a year she was always in position one. She was in a class of some people I would not mention. The day my father decided to be married to somebody, she was forced into marriage and I doubt if I would be a Kenyan by my now if she was given the opportunity. However, that girl who was to be somebody is now digging and planting arrow roots in the village. The boys who could not compete with her in class, by her report forms which she has kept to date, are the people who proceeded to lead the nation. I do not know whether to lead or mislead the nation. They are flying all over in aeroplanes as she is busy digging and fetching for mbogas in the village.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, a time has come that we think of girl-child education very seriously and as leaders let us agree in principle that the law now vests in this National Assembly’s monumental powers to do what is right for the nation. I am tired of this thing where as Members of Parliament we are urging the Government all the time and we are the same House that appropriates public funds. I mean, we are the ones deciding. This is what we have been doing for the last month with us deciding what goes into Government. The Constitution then permits us as a House to oversee the application of those funds. Why do we not recommend straight to the Departmental Committee on Education, Research and Technology and the Departmental Committee concerned with devolution that we have a system where, in monitoring the usage of the funds we have appropriated or allocated to this important sector, that these focal issues are attended to? In fact, that is the way to go.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, in ending, let me say that as we end this today, we look at areas which are marginalized. However, we have other forms of marginalisation and as we support this Motion, I would urge the hon. Members to be alive to the situation and circumstance of the girl-child across the country so that necessary Motions and Bills can be brought to the House, so that we are able to move
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  • forward. Truly, time has come for us to devolve resources that are needed to the sector of education. We have the Equalisation Fund. There is a lot of money that can be scooped from there to facilitate the implementation of a Motion such as this one and we pass it because it recognises the ideal of affirmative action and all those issues.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, with those very many remarks, I support this Motion and urge all hon. Members present that this is a Motion that is very timely. We were talking about the looming teachers strike. We want laptops across the country. As I end my speech, I would like to give the state of my county. Around 90 per cent of the schools in my constituency, you will know the door from the gate--- I think as leaders we must also go back to leadership. Let us not cry for so long. We are going to get CDF. People from ASAL, I imagine get more than those from areas considered potential. We want to see how you use that money. I am inviting other institutions of Government; the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) and the National CDF Board not to be part of the corruption even in usage of such devolved funds. We want a system where we really focus on issues where they matter.
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you so much. I beg to support this Motion.
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to start by saying that today to many of us who are seated here especially the women Members of Parliament, this Motion is music to our ears. Listening to our colleagues is even more musical. I want to really thank hon. Hassan Dukicha, Member of Parliament for Galole. In this House in the last term, Galole was discussed in many other parameters to do with insecurity but today we are celebrating Galole as bringing to us a Member of Parliament who can bring a Motion that focuses on the education of girls.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, not so many years ago, it would have been impossible to find on this Floor a man Member of Parliament bringing issues to do with women or girls and speaking freely about sanitary pads, like my colleague has just done. I know the work done by many women in this country to try and bring to focus the marginalisation of the girl-child. These are women who came before me and those who are seated here, women whom I respect like the hon. Nyiva Mwendwa who I am happy to be sitting in the same House with. These are women who must be celebrated because it is through their braveness that today this discussion can be done so generally without discrimination or bad language. So, I want to celebrate hon. Dukicha for that and all the Members who have supported.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, of course I was on the Chair and I know that the attempt to have an amendment was defeated and for a good reason. I represent Nairobi County. We have in Nairobi County probably the poorest schools in this country. It is not a competition; it is just a fact. The Member who was attempting to bring the amendment mentioned the school. This is a school that I visited where a girl called Akinyi was selling groundnuts. We heard that her family and many students who come from schools in Nairobi and who live in the slums sell groundnuts and hawk at night so that they are able to feed families. When they go to school in the morning, they cannot concentrate. So, they lose the whole morning. When I visited the school, and the school is Morrison Primary, for your information in Bahati, I wondered really whether I was in

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  • Nairobi because I had not visited that particular school. So, I know where hon. Gikaria was coming from in terms of Members of Parliament who represent urban areas where there are slums. Just like the hon. Members in the past were able to convince the Government, those who come from the arid and semi arid (ASAL) areas to have them classified, as such it is also our responsibility as hon. Members who come from areas like Nairobi, Kisumu or Nakuru where there is extreme poverty in the slum areas to convince the Government to also classify these areas as areas that need special attention. When it comes to school going children and especially girls, Akinyi is a girl and she is hawking groundnuts until 12.00 a.m. at night. If you know the experience of Nairobi at night, you would know that if she has not been victimized either by hooligans or even what was previously the City Council and now the county government officials or the police, then she is a lucky girl. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, and the same inequalities apply but let me tell you why I enjoy being a political activist and now a County Member of Parliament. It has given me the opportunity to see this country. I always wish that one of our Standing Orders could be effected so that once in a while we do not sit in this House but have sittings in either North Horr, Turkana, Lokichar or Galole because you will be amazed that we are not equal. We are far from equal! When we hear hon. Members from those areas say that when they get into buses their people ask them whether they are going to Kenya, it is not a joke; it is real. I visited some of my colleagues, especially those who come from Turkana and I had no idea whether we were flying or driving because there is no road. How you even know where you are going is a miracle. You have to be an expert otherwise you cannot get to where you are going because there is no road. So, it cannot be that we are equal and that is why the Constitution, during its formation, came up with the Equalization Fund; which I still think is inadequate. I still feel that, that fund cannot equalize those areas as fast as we would want and I wish we would be fighting between the Senate and the National Assembly on key issues like: Can we increase the Equalization Fund rather than who is superior to the other?
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  • In the last administration, there was the Ministry of State for Development of Northern Kenya and other Arid Lands. It was a PR exercise! It was never funded; it never did anything that could alleviate the problem that we are talking about here. So, it was a Ministry just like the one for the Nairobi metropolis that was created to accommodate the Coalition Government. In essence, there must be a deliberate attempt by the Jubilee Government that can be seen by citizens who come from those areas, to do things differently. Therefore, this Motion, irrespective of whether we have the Government here or not, would be important. That is why I feel a bit uncomfortable because I do not see the Leader of the Majority Party or the Chairman of the Education Committee here. This will help us know whether this House is a talk shop or there is some genuineness. We are in the process of Budget making; the Budget and Appropriations Committee Members are here and they are hearing that the concerns that are being raised are genuine. Why a boarding school? It is because if you see the distances--- For me, a boarding school would be a luxury. Maybe my parents are tired of
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  • me, they send me to a boarding school so that I can go back home after three months but for children in ASAL areas, the distance from their home to their school makes no sense. They reach school after noon, study for half a day and are back home and so they cannot have the time for the education they need. So boarding school is not a luxury. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, what hon. Dukicha is asking for here is not luxury but let it be known to those who have never visited those areas--- I am again urging this House that we do not have a National Assembly when people do not know what other areas look like because you will not be debating with knowledge. Those schools are probably the only institutions in those areas with access to water, limited as it is, electricity and any other form of infrastructure. This is because that is where infrastructure has already been taken. At least when they go to boarding schools, most of these children are able to experience electricity for the first time. I was sitting next to hon. ole Ntutu, who told me: “This is not a joke. Without a boarding school, I would not have been here.” So, I am saying that we need to have boarding schools all over the country but let us do affirmative action. I always try to explain what affirmative action is. Affirmative action is not forever. Even as women, when we talk of affirmative action, we do not mean that you give us affirmative action forever. We are saying that affirmative action is for the purpose of helping those who have been disadvantaged to enable them reach the level of those who have enjoyed advantages. Therefore, let there be an affirmative action that can be seen, so that girls can stop dropping out of school to get married. That is another point for which I really want to congratulate the Mover of this Motion. Most male Members of Parliament never want to talk about wives numbers one, two or three. It is a very sensitive issue. I am very impressed that the Mover of the Motion is clearly saying that when girls drop out of school, it is about marriage. The moment a woman gives birth, taking care of the child becomes her priority. Many hon. Members have said that when you educate a woman, she takes care of her children better. That is not really true. Most of us educated women are probably doing worse as mothers than our mothers, who were not educated. This is because we are too busy. We employ house girls and, therefore, we do not bond with our children as well as our parents bonded with us. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, education for the girl-child is about economic empowerment for women. It is not just about motherhood. Motherhood is a natural thing. Whether educated or not educated, most women can take care of their children. But can they, economically, empower their families? That is where education comes in. So, I really want to support this Motion. I know that the debate on the computer laptops is very exciting. The subject is always mentioned because people really like the computer laptop debate but the issue before us right now is very different and pertinent. It is about safeguarding our girls but because hon. Members love the computer laptop debate--- Of course, I am from the Jubilee Government, and I can assure this House that I was part of the team that wrote the party’s manifesto.
  • Washington Jakoyo Midiwo

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  • (Laughter)
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  • June 19, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 39 Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, everybody now knows that Jakoyo is in the House. Let me tell you this: The Jubilee Government is not a government that does not have ears. The idea of a manifesto, hon. colleagues, is for a government to give ideas of what they intend to do. Again, the idea of having a manifesto is so that people can improve it or question it or ask for it to be amended. What is important is that you have come up with some ideas. What is the overall idea about the computer laptops policy? The overall idea is that we are a digital Government and we believe in industrialisation.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Shebesh, you should be winding up.

  • Rachel Wambui Shebesh

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we should look at the bigger picture as to why we want to give laptop computers to school children. Let us find a solution rather than kill the idea because I believe that this House has committees which can bring better ideas. With those remarks, I beg to support.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Nelit(?), you have two minutes to contribute. We want to ask the Mover to reply.

  • (Loud consultations)
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Order, hon. Members! You have the freedom of approaching the Mover of the Motion and asking him to donate part of his time to you.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Proceed, hon. Cheboi and conclude in two minutes’ time.

  • Jonathan Lelelit Lati

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thought I would get enough time. I ran out of a Committee meeting because someone had whispered to me that debate on the girl-child was going on in the House. I left the Committee meeting because that is something which is very dear to some of us.

  • Jonathan Lelelit Lati

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, having said so, I must indicate that I am not very impressed with the House today. This is something which is very important. In solidarity with the girl-child, particularly those in ASAL areas, we should have had more hon. Members in the House. I want to salute the hon. Members who are in the House, particularly the ladies; for the passion with which they have debated this matter.

  • Jonathan Lelelit Lati

    For those of us who come from the pastoral areas, there are issues which are very pertinent and special. Some hon. Members would probably require a guided tour on those issues. Talking of ASAL areas, the issue is not just aridity. These are areas which have a lot of insecurity, and where people lead a pastoralist life. The word “pastoralist”, which sometimes sounds strange to some of our colleagues from urban areas, means that during one season you live in one area and in another season you move to another area. Why is that important in terms of having boarding schools? When I was growing up, I changed about five schools. Sometimes schools were very far apart that I had to walk about eight kilometres. Do you know what happened to my sisters? They all left school because they could not walk. You know God created male and female differently in terms of masculinity. So, it is usually ladies who are affected when you have schools which are very far away from home.

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  • June 19, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 40
  • Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, this Motion is very timely and I want to thank hon. Dukicha for bringing it to this House. This Motion should progress into a Bill so that the girls that leave school because they are far or because there is rampant insecurity on the way to school can get to school and get to be people like all of us.
  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    That should mark your end!

  • Hon. Member

    It is very unfair for a pastoralist!

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Well, that is neither here nor there but it is about time.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Dukicha, reply.

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Before I reply, I would like to donate two minutes each to four Members of Parliament. The first should be hon. Ng’eno.

  • Johana Ngeno Kipyegon

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to support this Motion and thank the Mover for donating two minutes to me. I think this Motion is very dear to most of us. This is because we believe in education to everybody and not only to a few. If you look at this Motion, you will find that it talks about creating schools which could help the pupils from ASAL areas. I am one of the people who come from those areas and I know how students find it hard to even attend school. I also know how parents find it hard to keep these children in school because of the difficulties that we have in those areas.

  • Johana Ngeno Kipyegon

    I think this Motion is very timely and it is important to this country especially to those children who face very many problems. One of the problems which children from these areas face is failure to attend school due to lack of schools, lack of fees or early marriages which are practices by most of the people. Another problem is the female genital mutilation which is practised by most of the people who come from these areas.

  • Johana Ngeno Kipyegon

    I believe that if we have boarding schools for those children, we will save many children who would have gone to waste. This is especially girls whom we know would be married off because of lack of fees.

  • Johana Ngeno Kipyegon

    Because parents from these areas do not have other sources of income, some of them burn charcoal, sell charcoal or firewood to get fees to pay for these children. We do not only need to have these schools in place but we also need to set aside money so that we can save the parents the agony of looking for fees to cater for these children.

  • Johana Ngeno Kipyegon

    Otherwise, I rise to support this Motion and thank the Mover because this is a very timely Motion, it is very important and it is dear to all of us who like the girl-child to pursue education.

  • Johana Ngeno Kipyegon

    Thank you.

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, many hon. Members have shown interest in this Motion, but because of limited time I would like to donate two minutes to hon. Maweu.

  • Maweu Kyengo Katatha

    (Microphone off)

  • Hon. Members

    Your microphone is off!

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Maweu, I am sure you can now see why you do not get an opportunity to contribute. It is because sometimes you are not able to operate the gadget. You have just put off your microphone!

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  • June 19, 2013 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 41
  • (Laughter)
  • Please, proceed and contribute.
  • Maweu Kyengo Katatha

    (Microphone off)

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Dukicha, just summarize. You do not have ample time.

  • Hassan Abdi Dukicha

    First and foremost I thank hon. Members for supporting this Motion. This is a very specific Motion to the ASAL areas. The main thrust of this Motion is to give morale to the girl in the ASAL areas so that they can become role models in the future. I ask hon. Members to have one obligation to this Motion so that we have one resolution and operationalize the inter-nomadic education policy. I beg to move.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Members, cognizant of Standing Order No.36, we cannot put the Question at this point because of issues beyond the control of the House particularly the quorum. So, we will put the Question in the next sitting. Could the hon. Members stand up for us to adjourn?

  • ADJOURNMENT

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    Hon. Members, the House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30 p.m.

  • Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi (The Temporary Deputy Speaker)

    The House rose at 12.30 p.m.

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