Hon. Members, we do not have a quorum. We need 50 Hon. Members. Ring the Division Bell.
Order hon. Members! We now have quorum. Please settle down. Let us proceed.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give to notice of the following Motions---
Are you on a point of order, hon. Wamunyinyi?
I do not see your card.
You are soon going to be accused of being analogue.
Which hon. Member is that?
Hon. Serem, you are now not a new hon. Member in the House. Let it not be a daily occurrence, particularly at the front here. Go back and do what you should have done from the beginning. As he is performing that ritual, we continue with the notice of Motion.
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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I have got three notices of Motions to make.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:-
THAT, aware that the water hyacinth has invaded several water bodies in Kenya, including Lakes Victoria and Naivasha; concerned with the negative impact of this weed on the agricultural sector and water combined systems; noting that so far water hyacinth has displaced native species, harmed fish and wildlife and reduced food productivity, this House urges the Government to establish an aquatic weeds fund to work for the eradication of all aquatic noxious weeds, including the water hyacinth in Kenya.
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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, aware that over 300,000 children live and work in the streets in the country, with over 50 per cent of them concentrated in and around Nairobi; concerned that the number of street children is increasing rapidly owing to poverty and HIV/AIDS and collapsing of family structure; noting that street children are not only denied access to the mainstream social services, but also their basic needs; deeply concerned that these children also face police harassment and social molestation, this House resolves that the Government creates community and family re- integration programmes to remove the children from the streets.
Thank you hon. Mishi. I can see there is approval of your Motion. Yes, Hon. Chrisanthus Wamalwa Wakhungu!
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: UPGRADING/RENAMING OF KITALE TECHNICAL INSTITUTE AS KIJANA WAMALWA UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
THAT, aware that the Senate passed a Motion that every county should have a public university; further aware that this country traditionally recognized its heroes and heroines for their contribution towards development in various capacities; cognizant of the role played by His Excelleny the late former Vice-President hon. Michael Wamalwa Kijana, who hailed from Kitale in Trans Nzoia County, this House resolves that the Government renames and upgrades Kitale Technical Institute to be called Wamalwa Kijana University of Science and Technology.
That brings us to the end of that order. Next Order!
Hon. Members, I do not see any request for Statements or responses. Next Order!
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This is continuation of debate. This Motion had been moved and seconded. Who was on the Floor? Any Member can take the Floor. Yes, Hon. Bowen.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this Motion on waste disposal. The City of Nairobi is choking with waste and garbage, not because this is a natural problem, but because it is a man-made problem. We have seen many companies and individuals in town disposing of waste in the streets of Nairobi and in areas not designated as dumpsites. Garbage has become a big menace in most towns; it is not Nairobi alone that is affected. This is rampant in areas that have no designated dumpsites. This problem will continue if we only speak and do not put measures in place to prevent the garbage problem. We know that a lot of people are called rich because they are given tenders for garbage collections. Unfortunately, at the end of the day even after being given millions of shillings they do not deliver. When you go round the city you still meet uncollected garbage. Again, Nairobi City should be cleaned; when you go to the estates, for example Kawangware and Dandora, you still meet a lot of garbage. This Motion has come at the right time. The Government ought to establish a recycling plant. We need to privatize garbage collection, so that we get professionals to come and establish a recycling plant. By so doing, employment for our young people will be created. Secondly, this will promote the existence of a healthy environment. There will be proper management of garbage in our city. As we think of privatizing this process, the Government and the counties need to come up with punitive measures to tackle the problem of garbage disposal. Those found dumping garbage anywhere should be punished. They should be penalized. The counties need to be compelled to--- At least in Nairobi we have a dumpsite in Dandora. In Eldoret you do not know where the dumpsite is. In other towns too there are no designated dumpsites. The best some of the counties have are small areas being used as dumpsites. Now that we are under a new constitutional dispensation, things need to change. The small areas designated as dumpsites are bound to expand with garbage. Establishing of a
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Motion. I know that garbage collection in most of our towns, especially Nairobi, have been a thorn in the flesh. Garbage is dumped mostly in residential areas. This is a health hazard. We have seen photographs of pigs, dogs, and street children scavenging at the dumpsites. When councils collect garbage it is as if they just transfer the problem from the original place to another, say from the hotels to the residential areas. Hon. Deputy Speaker, it has been the practice in most councils and towns that dumpsites are relocated without proper planning and wherever they are relocated, due to the expansion, or the growth, of towns these dumpsites happen to be in the midst of the people. There should be proper planning in relation to where dumpsites are located. They should be located far away from the towns. Their location should be well planned. Hon. Deputy Speaker, today in the world we cannot keep on transferring garbage from one point to another without a way of trying to dispose of it permanently, as my colleague has said. We should have recycling facilities, so that whatever garbage is collected, it is recycled for other purposes or uses; it can also be destroyed. We are all aware that in the world today we have this problem of polythene papers. These papers have become a health and environmental hazard; you find them are all over in schools, institutions, hospitals and towns. It is high time the Government came come up with a proper framework to make sure that these papers are disposed of in a healthy manner, and they do not cause health hazard, and are not spread all over. Hon. Deputy Speaker, if you happen to go to Dandora, as we have been told, you will find that it smells a lot. One day I was driving along Juja Road and I was shocked because I smelled foul scent; I was wondered where it was coming from in my car; when I looked outside I was amazed at what I saw. You find that these dumpsites are just about two to ten metres away from peopleâs doors; they are really health hazards. This is the high time proper garbage collection is needed and at the same time this garbage should be recycled for other purposes. In the process, our young people will be engaged in employment activities instead of scavenging on these dumpsites. The environment will also be kept clean in this manner, and the spread of diseases and other health hazards will be tamed. Therefore, I support. Thank you.
Yes, Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support that we all join hands and set up a recycling plant, because whenever you walk around in this City you notice that there is a lot of garbage. It is not only in Dandora. I want to cite an example. Sometime back we were travelling to Mombasa, and just after some bridge the whole environment smelled very bad. It is very pathetic that we have the ability but we are not able to use it and convert garbage into something that can work for us. Hon. Deputy Speaker, if we set up a recycling plant, do you know what we will get out of it? Do we just want to set up one? I say no. If we set up a recycling plant we are likely to come up with two products at the end of it. One will be green energy. We are likely to have green energy, which will power our engines. We are up and running
Hon. Leader of the Majority Party. He has put his request on and then taken it off. Yes, Hon. Daniel Kazungu Muzee.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker for this opportunity. I rise to support this Motion. It is timely because over the past few weeks, or months, we have been seeing people organising garbage collection exercises but I think the more you look at them the more you realise that they are engaged in mere public relations exercises, because really taking a deeper look at the situation you will see how bad the situation is in our major towns. I want to state here that this is not a Nairobi affair. Garbage collection is essentially a national shame, if you ask me. I come from a tourist city of Malindi and we have that problem too; my honourable colleague has just told us about the example of Mombasa, where you are welcomed by a foul smell as you get out of the airport. I think in my view, first of all we need a proper sensitisation programme for our people in urban centres. It is a shame that you just walk into the streets and carelessly throw garbage all over when you know that there is a place that has been designated for you to drop your garbage; people have developed this habit of not caring for the environment and throwing garbage where they want. I think that has to stop and we need to sensitise our people on this. Hon. Deputy Speaker, a lot has been said about the privatisation of garbage collection. I think it is the way to go, because however much we organise clean-ups in our towns it is a fact that we cannot sustain this. So, we need to have private entities coming in and to help us in garbage collection. However, I have an issue with that also; sometimes you hear foreign firms getting involved in some basic activities like collecting our garbage, which, I think, our people can ably do. I think it is better to involve foreign investors to come in and set up recycling plants and all; but it is important that garbage collection is done by our own people. I know we have the capacity to do that and foreigners can only come in to set up recycling plants and create jobs. They can come with new products as stated by our colleague here.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I also wish to recognize that you have contributed something in my life because you taught me communication kills at Egerton University way back in 1994. Thank you very much. I rise to support this Motion because solid waste is a menace in this country. The best option would be to campaign for the three âRsâ that we have in environmental management. The first one is reducing waste. The second one is re-using waste. Instead of throwing the waste away, we re-use it; the third one is recycling. We also need to encourage our people to use the products which can be recycled. In order to curb this menace, I would like to urge the Government to come up with incentives to the companies which recycle waste in terms of tax waivers, so that they are encouraged to recycle more.
Thank you for your compliments on my teaching; I have seen it has had some good effect and you are here.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity to share what I think is very critical in this country. Garbage in this country has affected the health of our people, not just in Nairobi but also in the major cities of this country. When it rains, waste is washed into the rivers. Millions of people use that water for domestic use, livestock and irrigation, yet it is completely polluted. I want to thank the Mover of this Motion because there are people who are concerned with the health of our people. Apart from making money from waste, following examples in the developed world, where people recycle paper and bottles and re-sell them to the communities--- In Kenya we have the right technology, and we can create employment, particularly for the youth, and save a lot of money that we use on buying fertilizers. This is because we can manufacture fertilizer from the waste. Recycling plants would go a long way in improving the economy of this nation. We should not just install machines in Nairobi, but in all the 47 counties. We should make sure that we have the market, particularly the local market, for the recycled materials in this country. I support the Motion.
There is an amendment to the Motion. I want to allow the Mover of the amendment to move it, so that we can dispose of it. Hon. Peter Safari Shehe.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move a small amendment to the Motion by hon. Gakuya. Hon. Deputy Speaeker I beg to move:- THAT, the Motion be amended by adding the words âand establish the office of a commissioner to oversee matters of garbage management in the countryâ after the word âgenerationâ appearing on the last line.
Speaking as a garbage system management expert, the garbage situation in our country is quite alarming. It is not only in Dandora, Kisumu or Mombasa, but there is
Hon. Shehe, you are moving an amendment.
Yes, hon. Deputy Speaker.
ove the amendment and then tell us who is seconding it.
I think you have addressed yourself to the amendment. You have made the argument generally but what is the import of your amendment? What is it adding to the Motion?
Hon. Deputy Speaker, this amendment brings to attention that somebody experienced in garbage management should oversee the whole countryâs management system instead of relying on NEMA, which is focused on environmental matters, and has no garbage recycling expertise. As an expert, I know what is required. If we had expertise in NEMA we would not be having piles and piles of garbage deposits all over the country. So, we need to have somebody who is versed with management of garbage to take care and bring efficiency in a functioning system.
Who is seconding?
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to ask Hon. J.N. Chege to second this amendment.
On a point of order, hon. Deputy Speaker.
What is not in order?
Hon. Deputy Speaker, my point of order is on the amendment that he has brought. We know that we have a departmental committee in this Parliament dealing with the environment, and which can deal with this matter. So is he in order to amend the Motion when we have a Departmental Committee on Environment and Natural Resources?
Is this Motion from the Committee or is it an individualâs Motion? The only thing is whether he approached the Mover of the Motion to ask whether him it is in order for him to amend it. He said he had a discussion with the
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I stand to second the amendment to the Motion. As a city resident I have experienced what has happened in Dandora everyday; I am also concerned that the dumpsite in Dandora and other dumpsites in other parts of the country like Kibarani in Mombasa pose a serious health hazard to our people.
Confine yourself to the amendment, so that we dispose of it first.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I will confine myself to the amendment that the Motion applies to other parts of the country, where we have dumpsites. The Government should also take action---
Hon. J.N. Chege, do you know what the amendment is?
I second the amendment.
On a point of order, hon. Deputy Speaker. I seek your direction. Under Schedule Four of the Constitution, the function of management of our refuse removal, refuse dumping and solid waste disposal is a function of the counties. While I have no issue with the Motion itself, and I will be supporting it, because it is a policy issue on environment and the Government should aid the counties, we cannot urge the national Government to come up with a commissioner to manage waste disposal in this country. It is the function of the county governments. I do not think we have that mandate; we should leave it to the people it belongs to. I think the amendment is not in order!
Do you know how we dispose of amendments? You have given us good information for hon. Members to understand and you have said rightfully that the Constitution has given very clear mandates to the national and the county governments. So, if we do not believe that this amendment is going to add value or may be considered unconstitutional--- If we are trying to usurp the powers of the county governments and giving them to the national Government--- Nonetheless, since every Member has the ability and power to bring amendments, you know how to dispose of them; it is up to you, hon. Members, to decide on what to do with the amendment.
Put the Question.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I rise to oppose the amendment and the reason has already been pointed out by my colleagues, that this is county government work. We should not form many commissions because we already have a problem with the wage bill in this country. I am a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. We are trying to reduce the number of commissions that we have in this
Is there anyone with a contrary view? Hon. Members, I will, therefore, put the question.
Hon. Members, that means that we are debating the Motion as it was originally before the amendment was moved. Remember that we do not have a lot of time. This Motion has less than one hour before it is completed. We will call the Mover to respond at 10 minutes to 11.00 a.m. This is the case yet I have a very long list of Members who have made requests. I propose that we reduce the debating time per Member from the normal ten minutes to three minutes.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I really do not understand. Whenever I rise to contribute, the normal debating time is reduced.
Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this very important Motion. First and foremost, may I thank the Mover, Hon. James Gakuya, for bringing this Motion to this House? I would like to say that this Motion is timely.
This is a very important Motion because lack of waste disposal does not only affect the City of Nairobi. I believe that this is a nationwide problem. You will realize that most of our cities do not have a proper waste disposal strategy. As has been stated by my colleagues, those who have had the occasion to travel from Mombasa along the Kisauni Road have seen for themselves. The place is basically littered and is not good for people to live in.
I want to touch on the dumping site known as âMwakirungeâ. This is another notorious area, where we have had people lose their lives. This is because once garbage is dumped there, there are no arrangements to ensure that people who live around that area are taken care of. Because of the high poverty levels within the country and in Mombasa, we had a case in which two women, who had gone to Mombasa to trade, lost their lives when they passed through this dumpsite on their way home. This was between 2002 and
Hon. Chea, three minutes are over.
Yes, Samuel Gichigi!
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion. Any person who has had a chance to visit the Dandora dumpsite will be in complete agreement with what the Mover of this Motion has stated. The waste disposal problem is a global one, and we need to manage it as a country. As far as I am concerned, we are dealing with this issue in a very haphazard manner. This is a problem that the Government should address in a universal, or global, manner.
A lot of waste is harmful and toxic. I am thinking about the waste that comes from hospitals and industries, yet nobody really follows on what happens. We had a lot of hope that Nairobi City, and other urban centres, would be cleaned up when Michuki was the Minister for Environment and Mineral Resources.
As we speak, a river that passes through our urban centres has gone back to what it used to be. Private enterprises have been left to dump garbage rather than former the local authorities and county governments. So, we need a legal and policy frameworks that will look at this issue.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, we need to be on the lookout because the developed world attempts to dump their toxic waste in developing countries. Recently, we read that there was a ship that was coming to the country to dump toxic waste.
So, I support the idea of a legal framework to deal with this particular issue, so that we do not expose posterity to a lot of harm and health problems. Thank you.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to contribute to this Motion. One of the things that I want the House to note is that Dandora and other dumpsites are an eyesore to this nation. Tourists will not come to this country if it has a poor waste disposal mechanisms. We cannot even market or brand our nation in foreign countries.
We all know very well that dumpsites are a health hazard. Nairobi River passes next to Dandora, and we know that we have heavy metals bars which are carried downstream by the river. This is the case yet the people who live downstream use the same water. We also have fish---
On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This House has leadership and every leader has a seat of his own. It is very absurd for Hon. Simba to sit on the seat of the Leader of the Majority Party. Is he in order to do that?
Maybe, that is the position he aspires to.
Hon. Nuh, there is no seat which is designated for any individual. So, Hon. Simba, enjoy the seat if you are sitting on it for the moment.
Continue, Hon. Melly.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I think the Hon. Member is not aware of the new sitting rules, and that is why he is interrupting my contribution. One of the things we need to note is that in our new Standing orders, any Member can sit on any seat.
I want to say that waste disposal and management can be a multi-billion industry. It can be an industry where many of our youths can be employed. This is if waste disposal is well managed by the counties and the national Government. It can be an industry where, if well managed from the counties and the National Government, our people will get employment, especially in refuse collection and disposal. I also want to note that in the case of Nairobi, we have a lot of health problems and we spend a lot of money in hospitals treating people. All that money could have, otherwise, been saved and used for other purposes, if we had proper ways of dumping and garbage disposal mechanisms. I want to support this Motion and ask both the National and county governments to ensure that the issues we are discussing here are put into consideration so that the health situations of our people are taken care of and jobs are created for our youth. We will then realize that, even the animals, fish and the meat that we consume is not actually affected. Lastly, I want to say that this House should pass this Motion and then proceed to enact a Bill. I support. Thank you.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion. As a parent and a mother, I am very concerned about the dumpsite and actually the waste management in this country. We have a population over 20, 000 living around the dumpsites. Those dumpsites have become sources of money as well as source of death through loss of life. Hon. Deputy Speaker, Nairobi City has a population of around 3.5 million and we do not have any garbage management or recycling plan. I would like to say that we need urgent delivery mechanisms by the Nairobi County Government where there is a safe way of waste management and especially, where we know that the waste from Dandora Dumpsite is affecting the water that we use and the air that we breathe. Hon. Deputy Speaker, we have a lot of diseases that affect the people who live around the dumpsite. It might not be an immediate negative effect on the people as they may not feel it instantly. The results cannot be seen immediately. But the children who are brought up around that area are affected for a life time. So, I would really like to support this Motion. As one of the speakers said, this should become a Bill immediately so that we have waste management plans not only in Nairobi, but also in the 47 counties.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker. I wish to support this Motion. While we look at the solid waste disposal, we should also look at e-waste because this is one of the biggest crises we are going to experience very soon. So, we must put a policy in place to see how we can dispose of electronic waste from the many gadgets that we are using now. Hon. Deputy Speaker, every production process in this country leads to creation of waste. While this can be harnessed for beneficial use, we know that it has also become a curse as we trade in both plastic and agricultural waste. If you look at places like Kangemi Open Markets and Kiumbuini Market for instance, those market centres choke in agricultural and plastic waste. So, those are some of the things that we lack policy management disposal of those waste. While I propose that we may proceed as follows, we may develop a waste disposal and recycling statutes and policy framework for both individual and county governments so that we can be able to dispose of our waste properly. Secondly, the Government can offer loans to our youth to establish waste recycling plants where they can get some employment from that waste management and disposal. We can also develop a policy framework on energy generation from waste materials. Many countries have done it and they have managed to make use of it. There is also need to separate waste and classify it. Waste is in many forms; plastic, metal, glass and agricultural. If we do this, it will be easy for us to dispose of and it will be better to manage. Sometimes, we fail because we do not plan. If we do proper planning, especially for those who are responsible--- When I look at National Environment Management Authority (NEMA), sometimes, maybe, they are not guiding people properly on how to dispose---
Hold on hon. Wanyonyi. Sabina Chege has some intervention.
On a point of order, hon. Deputy Speaker. Is it in order for hon. Members to consult loudly to the extent that we can hardly hear what hon. Wanyonyi is saying and, in particular, hon. Millie? This is not a fish market! Kindly, consult softly so that we can hear what hon. Wanyonyi is saying. Thank you.
I do not know whether at the fish market is where there is the most noise. I am sure other markets have noise too. But hon. Members, I think the point which is really being made is that let us allow hon. Members to make their contributions and as well allow others to hear what they are saying. Let us not go back on that, but allow hon. Wanyonyi to finish.
Thank you very much hon. Deputy Speaker. Even from where I sit, hon. Member come and sit behind me and consult very loudly. Sometimes, I hardly hear what goes on in the House. The Chair can also direct that hon. Members who sit at the back should also know that we are also following the proceeding in the House. I beg to support the Motion.
Thank you hon. Wanyonyi. Let us be each otherâs keeper, hon. Members, so that each one of us can have a chance to speak and also be heard.
Hon. Simba Arati, I have not given you a chance to speak. I am giving this chance to Ali Rasso Dido now.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I wish to applaud the hon. Member who has brought this Motion before this House. I think protecting is the singular duty that we have as todayâs generation. The late Prof. Wangari Maathai once said: âWhen everything around you is dying, or has died, then you will be the next.â I think in Kenya, the issue of garbage disposal goes a long way in defining our poor environmental conservation. As the authority which is vested with this responsibility, it happens actually that it lacks the capacity, funding and the enforcement of both environmental management and, by extension, the conservation. Under the late hon. Michuki, NEMA was able to clean Nairobi River. But today, we must be asking what is NEMA doing and where is it? The issue like the Dandora Dumpsite actually falls squarely within the ambit of NEMA and ---
On a point of order, hon. Deputy Speaker.
What is your point of order, hon. Millie? I do not even see your card.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker for indulging me. Is it really in order for hon. (Ms.) Sabina Chege to be on Facebook when we are discussing a very serious issue on environmental conservation? At least, I am speaking to the Suba people on fish. We know fish business is very serious business. I am a fishmonger and a serious marketer and promoter of fish. Is she in order to be on Facebook when we are discussing serious issues?
Order, Millie! I think the two of you need to get together and decide whether you want to be going at each other on the Floor. Allow hon. Dido to finish his contribution.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I notice that the ladies are lighting the House this morning. I wish to state that NEMA lacks the capacity, funding and enforcement capabilities for us to be able to effectively manage our environment. Also, we must learn from the countries within the region. I will give the example of Rwanda, where it is an offence to carry plastic paper bags around. As soon as you arrive at the airport in Kigali, you will have to declare the plastic bags you have and then they give you a disposable---
Hon. Member for Garissa, you know the rules of the House.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, Kenya is the largest economy in the region. With time we are likely to produce more household and industrial waste. That is why this Motion is timely. I beg to support.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to take this opportunity to congratulate my brother, hon. Simba, for being on the hot seat. Those of us who came to Nairobi some years back know that it was referred to as the âgreen city in the sunâ. Something somewhere has gone wrong. The by-laws in this city are violated, and that is why when you go round the streets you see a lot of litter. I believe that now that we have the Nairobi County in place we will make Nairobi an example to other cities. If you go to Mombasa you will see a lot of garbage all over. In my own county, Kitale has a lot of garbage strewn around. This Motion is timely. By setting up a recycling plant, Nairobi will take the lead and other towns will follow. The late Mwalimu Julius Nyerere used to say that instead of going to London one should just visit Nairobi. This, he used to say because Nairobi at that time was comparable to London! At present, if you go to a place like Dandora during the rainy season you will not bear the stench there. You will, in fact, sympathize with the people living there. Let us have Nairobi as the first city in the country to have a plant to recycle waste. That way Nairobi will reclaim its lost glory of being the green city in the sun. Hon. Deputy Speaker, Kenyans are very innovative. Recently I saw on television someone in Kibera turning human waste into cooking gas. Kenya has some of the best brains and Kenyans could benefit from such initiatives. This kind of energy will help our people. Reinforcement of by-laws is a must for us to keep our cities clean. I beg to support the Motion.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to first thank hon. Gakuya for coming up with this Motion. For us who have visited and at some point stayed in Dandora know that Dandora is a health hazard. It is a place we need to manage. Look at the way we carry our garbage. The trucks are open and they drop garbage all over in the process of transporting it. It is high time the Government came up with a policy on how to transport garbage. In other countries, before garbage is picked it is separated so that the bottles are separate from cans and other plastic items. They are then transported to the recycling plants. If we do not manage our waste, yet we generate it every moment--- Kenyans take waste to be something that should be thrown away instead of looking at ways of making use of that waste, say generate energy or make fertilizer. I would like to urge the Government and the county governments to come up with good policies now that waste management has been decentralized to the counties. We need to manage our waste in order to make our country beautiful. Currently we have a good Minister in charge of environment, Mr. Gakuo, who had tried to turn Nairobi City into a green city. We would urge him to go to Dandora, at the dumpsite, and ensure that garbage there is recycled. The youth in Dandora who work at the dumpsite die of either toxic waste or fights. There is violence at the dumpsite. You cannot visit Dandora during the day because of the people who stay at the dumpsite. I would like to urge the Government to make sure that all dumpsites are well taken care of. With those few remarks I beg to support.
Ahsante mhe. Naibu Spika. Nasimama kuunga mkono hoja hii. Hali ya kumudu uchafu nchini si sawa. Hii ni kwa sababu wale waliopatiwa hayo majukumu wamezembea. Sehemu hii ya Dandora ina uchafu mwingi. Mimi nimewahi
I want to give the next chance to hon. KK Stephen and just to recognise that we have some Members from the Nyandarua County Assembly. You are welcome Members of Nyandarua County Assembly to our Assembly. Hon. KK, you have the Floor.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. Thank you for recognising my County Speaker and my county Members of the County Assembly who are all here. You are most welcome.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, the issue of waste management disposal is a thorny issue and I think our Senators will be requesting this House to start preparing a Budget for next year to make sure that each and every county has got a waste disposal factory that can also do very well in manufacturing fertilizer and creating jobs. If the 47 counties can be given that responsibility, they can be contributing immensely towards our economy.
Being a member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee in this august House, I would be very grateful if our Senators on the other end would be requesting us when we are doing the Budget for the coming financial year 2014/2015, that we source for some funds for each and every county within the 47 counties so that, at least, we can have a waste disposal management system put in place and fully funded by the National Government. Through that, we will create a lot of employment for our youth who are fully unemployed and we will also create economic returns and gains for this wonderful nation.
With those few remarks, my County Speaker and Members of the County Assembly, you are most welcome in this 11th Parliament and feel at home. You will have a cup of tea in the next few minutes. Thank you so much.
Hon. Paul Arati, the new leader.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to assure my colleagues in the Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (CORD) party that today, you can be assured that we have a voice of reason seated on this side of the Jubilee Party.
But you have defected.
I cannot defect because you know---
Order! Confine yourself to the debate.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, allow me to speak in Kiswahili because my colleague here wanted me to speak in Kiswahili.
Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika, ningetaka kuchangia katika Hoja hii kwa sababu ya taka chafu katika mji wa Nairobi.
On a point of order, hon. Deputy Speaker.
What is your point of order, hon. Mbadi? Let it not be a frivolous one
Alianza na Kizungu na anaendelea kwa Kiswahili.
Yes. Hon. Arati, if you start with Kiswahili, you continue to the end with it. If you start with English, you continue with it to the end of your contribution. You should not mix the two.
Asante sana kwa sababu Naibu Spika umenipata vizuri kwamba nilikuwa naongea Kiswahili. Hon. Mbadi anaelewa Kiswahili ni Kizungu. Ni ngumu kwake kuielewa. Lakini ahsante. Taka chafu katika Mji wa Nairobi ni jambo ambalo ni ngumu sana. Tukijaribu kuliguzia, kuna wale ambao wanafaidika. Wanapata mapato yao. Kuna makampuni ambayo yamebuniwa na siogopi kuyasema kwa sababu kazi yao ni kuhakikisha kwamba ile taka iko kule Dandora itaendelea kuwepo kwa sababu hao wanajua vizuri sana wanatengeneza pesa na sio pesa kidogo. Ni pesa nyingi. Makampuni hayo ambayo yanafanya biashara na Baraza la Nairobi yapo na yanajulikana kwa sababu kwa siku nyingi makampuni hayo yamekuwa hayaitaji kuwepo na mikakati kamili ya kumaliza ama kuokota---
Well, your time of three minutes is up. Two more hon. Members can speak before we call the Mover. Hon. MâEruaki Joseph and then followed by the Member for Garissa who will be the last one.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I stand to support this Motion. It is important that we manage the waste around Dandora and other parts of this country. We can also be able to convert that problem into an opportunity because we could make fertilizer out of it. We could even recycle polythene papers into useful products. However, in this Motion I would urge the Government to either partner with or encourage the private sector because I am not sure whether the Government will be in the business of establishing factories for recycling waste. But it would encourage and even subsidise the private sector so that, that waste can be utilised. This Motion should also look into the question of e-waste because we realise that there are many individuals or companies coming in with materials from out of this Republic.
On a point of order, hon. Deputy Speaker. Do we have the moral authority as Members of this House to discuss the Motion? That is because I was so disturbed a few days ago when one of the Members of Parliament after taking his lunch, took a piece of banana, peeled it off and instead of eating it in the dining hall, came out and ate it outside. As if that was not criminal enough, he went ahead and threw that banana peel outside. Do we have the moral authority to talk about the cleanliness of Nairobi or any county?
You have not named the Member but you have made your point. Let us do what we preach. Finish your contribution hon. MâEruaki.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, maybe it is good for the Member to substantiate because when she speaks like---
It was you.
The only thing I chew is miraa and not bananas.
Hon. Nyamunga, are you saying it because the hon. Member on the Floor is the culprit?
Yes, hon. Deputy Speaker.
Is that what we plough?
No. Not us. I chew miraa and not bananas in the kitchen. I am a promoter of miraa and not those other crops.
Now, your three minutes are going to be over hon. MâEruaki if you are not careful. They are actually over. So, let us give the chance to the Member for Garissa and then finally hon. Angwenyi. Members, there is a whole long list. Really, we have got to finish this one and move to the next Motion. Hon. Gure.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity. The issue we are discussing this morning is a national one. It affects all the counties and we need to have a Garbage Management Authority which will be responsible for transporting and disposal of garbage to a proper dumpsite. Talking about my county, I represent Garissa County where garbage is disposed off in the streets and everywhere between the plots and houses. That garbage can cause serious health outbreaks in human beings because if animals eat garbage - which includes paper bags, condoms and all the nasty things - it can cause a serious issue on human health.
Pregnant women who live near dumpsites can give birth to babies with defects. This is not a laughing matter. We are discussing a serious issue. Hon. Millie-Odhiambo is disturbing me, please. Garbage disposal causes a lot of damage on our environment, soil and even water contamination. I beg to support. Hon. Millie-Odhiambo upset me a little bit.
It is now time for the Mover to reply. But if you can allow hon. Angwenyi a minute--- We have to seek your permission to give hon. Angwenyi one minute. Two minutes?
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank hon. Gakuya for giving me a chance to contribute to this Motion. For those who do not know, Kisii County has the highest reproduction rate in this country. Therefore, the population density is very high. Therefore, the release of sewage is very high. This Motion has come at the right time. We should put in place mechanisms to dispose of our garbage and sewage. We cannot prevent the wheel which has already been invented. I would ask members of the Nairobi County Government to visit Melbourne in Australia where they collect their garbage and sewage and generate electricity from it. They also manufacture fertilizer from the garbage and produce new plastics out of the plastic waste. In every part of this country, for example, Kisumu, there is a lot of garbage and raw sewage flowing into the lake to the extent that hyacinth has found a fertile ground to grow in. We have been fighting this and you will remember our retired Prime Minister spent five years trying to get rid of the hyacinth in Lake Victoria and he was not able to do it because of the sewage that is flowing into that lake. Hon. Mbadi cannot take a boat from Kisumu to Homa Bay, where he comes from, because of the sewage. The whole place is full of sewage. So, we need to have systems in place to handle the issue of garbage and sewage in the country. With those remarks, I beg to support.
The Mover of the Motion, please, reply.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wish to donate one minute to Eng. Gumbo, one minute to Ms. Ghati and two minutes to hon. Ndirangu.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to thank the Mover for moving this Motion but, as I support the Motion, we have to accept that it is almost a universal principle that every adversity brings with it equal - if not greater - opportunity. I think the Dandora Dumpsite must now be seen as an opportunity. As we know, for Kenya to achieve Vision 2030, it has to produce one Gigawatts of electricity per year. It is estimated that up to 50 Megawatts of electricity can be generated from the Dandora Dumpsite. Therefore, it is important for the Nairobi county government and the Central Government to work together, so that huge amount of latent chemical energy can be converted into electrical energy for use in Nairobi and its environs. I beg to support.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I thank the Mover of this Motion. I want to congratulate him for moving the Motion. I wish to support the Motion. There have been previous attempts, as far as I know, to relocate the Dandora Dumpsite to areas like Ruai or other areas that are out of town. For those of us who come from Eastlands, we know that people use the Dandora Dumpsite to generate income. The Nairobi City Council or the government has not done much in terms of sensitizing and creating awareness to the people, especially in schools, on how to dispose waste. There are no clear mechanisms on sanitation programmes. I encourage that even as we think around devolution and the counties, we should have a similar programme that is running in our various counties, so that we can take care of waste disposal.
Hon. Mover, you really must reply now. You only have two minutes. Are you giving that two minutes away? Had you given hon. Ndirangu one minute? It looks like you are not going to say anything, hon. Owner of the Motion!
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wish to thank my colleague, hon. Gakuya, for moving this Motion. Indeed, I ask for an extra three minutes because I am a child of garbage collection. There is a lot of potential in garbage in Nairobi. For the last 20 years, I have been a garbage peddler, collecting junk and scrap metal in Roysambu. My petition to the Governor of Nairobi County is to come up with a garbage collection and disposal policy framework, so that we can help the garbage collection groups in Nairobi to create yards and spaces. My proposal is that in each of the 17 constituencies in Nairobi, the Governor should allocate, at least, two acres of land for the young men who are in the garbage collection business. This will give them space to sort out and categorize garbage in terms of scrap metal, plastics and bio-degradable materials which can also be turned into fertilizer. As we talk about garbage collection, we should not forget the important role that is played by sewage. Hon. Deputy Speaker, in Nairobi, we want to thank the Athi Water Company which has created and developed trunk sewers in my constituency in Zimmerman and Githurai. But I am challenging the Nairobi Water---
The Mover is not going to have any minutes to---
I am challenging the Nairobi Water Company to come up in a big way to improve connectivity and sewage system reticulation so that many households---
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to respond. First, I would like to thank hon. Members who have contributed---
You beg to move!
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move this Motion. First, I would like to thank all the contributors of this Motion. It is very clear that this is a pertinent issue and we need to look into violations in our communities in management of disposal of waste. It is very clear that those who live near those dumpsites are under serious threat and it is the prerogative of this Government to make sure that it protects its people from health hazards from that time bomb. Without taking care of those dumpsites, it is very clear that our people will be under serious health threats. Therefore, I would like to urge that it is high time that we take measures of recycling. This will be temporary in Dandora but---
Kindly move; your time is up!
Hon. Deputy Speaker, with those few remarks, I beg to move.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, before I move this Motion, I would like to notify this House of a typographical error in line five below and seven from up that reads: â---this House urges the Government to consider spending 0.1 per centâ. It should be 1 per cent. That was a typographical error.
Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am talking on behalf of many Kenyans who are leaving primary schools and going to secondary schools; who are consuming a lot of revenues in this country since we started the free primary education and, subsequently, the free secondary education. I would like this House to note that the enrolment for the KCPE exams in 2008 was 695,777 pupils. By last year, 2012, it had grown to 811,930 pupils. As regards KCPE---
Hon. Njenga, please move the Motion. You have just gone directly to contribution.
Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion:- THAT, aware that a majority of the residents of Kenya are youth under the age of 30 years, whose numbers are being increased in the ranks of the unemployed every year after completion of primary and secondary school; further aware that the Government has invested a lot of money in them through free primary and secondary education; also noting that the revenue collected by this economy is in excess of Kshs.1trillion, and that the country has immense opportunities available to create employment for the said youth who will contribute to the realization of Vision 2030, this House urges the Government to consider spending 1 per cent of its revenues to finance training in applied sciences in village polytechnics and institutes of technology within the country through soft, repayable loans that will be channeled through the Constituencies Development Fund (CDF), similar to how the Higher Education Loans Board (HELB) finances university education. This has been brought about by the realization that the enrolment for KCPE increased from 695,000 pupils in 2008 to 812,000 pupils in 2012. That is a great increase. Enrolment for secondary schools increased from 277,000 students to approximately 437,000 students. Such growth indicates that the people who are leaving Form Four are still increasing and, at the same time, the primary school drop-outs are increasing. However, noting that those are brain resources, people who should be contributing to the economic wealth of this nation and people who must be prepared to produce goods and services, I find this, therefore, to ensure that after Form IV, such people are given an opportunity to pursue vocation training and even other technical training in both public and private institutions. In doing so, I am also noting that under Schedule IV of the Constitution, polytechnics and other institutions could be under county governments.
Order! You should be summarizing now hon. Njenga.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I summarize, I urge hon. Members of this august House to see this world that God gave us. Hon. Members should look back once and see who we were a few years ago.
I, therefore, beg to move this Motion. Thank you.
Who is seconding you, hon. Njenga?
I am being seconded by hon. Chris Wamalwa Wakhungu.
Thank you hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to second the Motion. We have been fighting poverty in this country since our fore-fathers. The problem has been poverty, disease and ignorance. Today, 50 years down the line, we are still fighting poverty. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, research has shown that 70 per cent of the unemployed people in this country are the youth. Anyone who goes to school will wish to go to university. The current cutoff for admission to university through the Joint Admission Board (JAB) has been a C+. The latest statistics show that we have about 120,000 Kenyans who qualify to join universities. Unfortunately, the Higher Education Loans Board (HELB) can only fund those that JAB has given admission. Research has shown that JAB only admits about 10 per cent of those students who qualify to go to university. So, the remaining large number has nowhere to go. The only option is to go to middle level colleges. Research has also shown that the economies that perform well are through Small and Medium Enterprises (SME). The majority of SMEs are the people are graduate from middle level colleagues. People who have gone through middle colleges - the polytechnics and technical institutes because---
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is so much noise. I do not know what- -
Order, hon. Members! Allow hon. Wakhungu to second the Motion in peace. Proceed, hon. Wakhungu.
Thank hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for that protection. In terms of those middle level colleges, they offer courses like masonry, entrepreneurship and carpentry. With those courses, when the candidates qualify, they can go for self-employment. With such in business, even Parliament will not need to go to China to get the furniture because we will have the capacity. The seats hon. Members are sitting on today, I am told they were made locally through those enterprises. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I mentioned earlier, any student who does not qualify to go to university does not mean that, that is the end of that person. We have seen very good success stories among the people who have gone through the
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I was wondering how hon. Bichage managed to catch the Chairâs eye, yet he does not even have a card. So many of us are digital, yet we have not managed to do the same. Is it an advice that next time we also come without cards and we start rising up the way we used to do?
Hon. Mbadi, the Chairâs eyes are very big. The hon. Member has not been issued with a card and he mentioned this to the Chair. He has always had the problem. He has also been here. If you did not notice it, he was here very early.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I would like to remind hon. Mbadi that I am extremely digital. This Motion could not have come at a better time because we are at a crossroads, and we want to introduce self-reliance to all Kenyans, including the youth. I want to thank hon. Njenga for this Motion. We are doing a lot of work at cross-purposes, and this is not helping our nation. Any nation that wants to prosper must address three things. The first one is health. If you do not have healthy people, you do not have a healthy nation. The second one is education. If you do not have education, even if you set up a youth fund it will all be a waste of money. What is the point of setting up a youth fund for our children who do not have skills? They will only drink the money. You must first of all provide skills and then give the money. That way they can be entrepreneurs. The third thing is affordable energy. If you do not have affordable energy, there is no way you are going to realize Vision 2030. Currently we are struggling. You give our industries opportunities to manufacture, yet they churn out goods which are not saleable. If we look at the model of the Asian Tigers, all the things that we buy from China are manufactured by polytechnic youth and not university graduates. It is high time we shifted the paradigm in this country. There is a craze for getting university degrees, including forging them. I am told there are people who have a full time job of manufacturing certificates at River Road. We, therefore, have a lot of MBAs which are questionable. We are not looking for degree certificates; rather, we are looking for skills. We want our nation to prosper. We must streamline village polytechnics. Currently we have a serious problem of everybody wanting a white collar job. In the construction industry you cannot survive with white collar jobs. You must have blue collar jobs. We want to shift the paradigm in this country. All Kenyans must embrace, like and admire blue collar jobs because that is what puts food on the table. This Motion is so important that this Parliament should actually put everything aside and make sure that our youth are trained and equipped with skills. Currently we have a problem at the constituencies, because everybody wants to be given money. Everybody is begging. There is a beggar mentality, because once you give them money
Ahsante sana mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda. Nasimama kuiunga mkono hoja hii iliyoletwa na mhe. Francis Kige Njenga. Tunafahamu kwamba tunayo ruwaza ya 2030. Hivyo basi ili tuweze kufikia ruwaza hii ni lazima tuangalie taasisi zetu za kuwapa ujuzi watoto wetu. Serikali imengâangâana kutuletea taasisi hizi vijijini. Taasisi hizi ni nyingi lakini ajabu ni kwamba vijana wetu bado hawajapata mafunzo. Hii ni kwa sababu ya umaskini. Wazazi wengi wanashindwa kulipa karo. Serikali hivi punde ilipunguza karo katika taasisi hizi za vijijini lakini bado katika takwimu zile zinaonekana, watoto wanaokwenda kupata masomo ni wachache sana na hii yote ni kwa sababu ya umasikini. Wakati tutakuwa na mfumo kama huu ambao utawezesha vijana wetu kuweza kupata pesa ambazo zitawasimamia katika kuweza kupata ujuzi, basi tutaweza kuwaboresha na kuwajenga. Tunajua ya kwamba Serikali yetu ya Jubilee, katika kuongeza kazi, njia moja ambayo wamefikiria ni Jua Kali. Wakati tunataka kuboresha Jua Kali lazima tuangalie tutaiboresha kwa njia gani. Njia moja ni kuweza kuwapa tauluma vijana wetu.
Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika wa Muda, juzi tuliona katika runinga kwamba Jua Kali imeanza kutengeneza meko za kupikia ambazo zinaweza kufanya sufuria zetu zisichafuke na tunapika kwa njia mwafaka. Hivyo basi ni kumaanisha ya kwamba tuna talanta nyingi sana na tunaweza kufanya mambo mengi.
Katika nchi ambazo zimebobea, tunaona kama nchi ya China kuna viwanda vidogo vidogo vingi ambavyo viko mashinani. Unapata ya kwamba hata unapotembea katika mitaa fulani unakuta pengine wanashughulika kutengeneza vijiko, mtaa mwingine wana kiwanda kidogo cha kutengeneza viberiti na haya yote ni kwa sababu wamejenga taifa lao na vijana wao kupitia taasisi hizi za kujenga ujuzi. Hivyo basi, kila sehemu imekuwa na viwanda na tunaona tunapata ajira nyingi katika nchi kama hizo.
Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika wa Muda, pia napenda kusema ya kwamba wakati tunasema ya kwamba fedha hizi zitapitia katika mfumo wa CDF, ni vizuri sana sisi kama viongozi tujue ya kwamba tukitengeneza mfumo kama huu tuwe hatutaupeleka kisiasa. Isiwe kwamba vijana watakaofaidika pengine watakuwa ni vijana ambao walikufanyia kampeni ama pengine ni vijana ambao wamekuwa katika mrengo fulani wa kisiasa. Huo ni mfumo ambao utakuwa unawaangalia Wakenya kama Wakenya wote na kama vijana
Hon. Abdul Rahim Dawood.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I wish to support this Motion by hon. Njenga and in doing so I think it is a very good Motion which goes to the core of the youth. I think the hon. Member would probably even make an amendment not just on village polytechnics. He should even add middle level colleges and all colleges because I think we need to train our youth. We need to take them off the streets so that they do not become hawkers or other people who have been chased away by governors and the county representatives like in Meru. So, it is good that we are getting this through the CDF. We will be able to control it much better and give out bursaries to secondary school and college students. This would supplement what we give out.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Seconder of the Motion talked about the chairs in Parliament which were made by artisans in Kenya, namely, the Prisons Department. We would not want our youth to go to prison to learn carpentry. They would rather go to middle level colleges and polytechnics to learn those skills. We need to incalculate life skills into the youth. The previous speaker has talked about mechanics and we should have a programme where we can teach our youth life skills. Girls should be taught knitting and stitching and when they are done with that, they should be given the tools of trade. If it is hairdressing, they should be given capital to open their salons and boys should be trained as artisans, fundis and painters. Through this Motion, we urge the Government, and I believe all the Members will agree with this, that this should go to the CDF because the Members of Parliament are the best placed to manage this rather than going to the counties. With this, we will achieve a lot. We will get the youth off the streets where they do things which they should not be doing. We should make them useful workers of this country and through this, we will attain the Vision 2030. With these remarks, I support and ask my colleagues to support this Motion, so that we can look at the welfare of the down-trodden and the poor. This is targeting the poor and if the county governments can take a lead from this, they will not chase away our hawkers or the poor from the streets as they earn a small living of about Kshs100 or Kshs200 a day. I do not know where they will consign them to. I beg to support.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. While supporting this timely Motion, I would like to back it by the provisions of Article 55(a) of the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya, which makes it mandatory that the State shall take measures including affirmative action to ensure that the youth have relevant education and training. My worry has been the transition between those who sit for the national examinations and those who proceed to tertiary institutions and institutions of higher learning. You realize that over 240,000 students sit for the Kenya Certificate of Secondary Examination (KCSE) yearly, but the universities only absorb less than 100,000. So, we ask ourselves where the balance of 140,000 goes to. Those who join universities will eventually come out and seek employment; the 140,000 should be the benchmark for skills innovation that creates employment even for those who go to
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I stand to support this Motion. I also wish to congratulate hon. Kigo Njenga for moving it. The greatest resource that we have in our country is the human resource. Where I come from, the biggest problem that we have is the issue of poverty and I am sure it cuts across the country. As I went round campaigning, I saw so much poverty and the people who are mostly affected are our youth.
The people who could make a difference in this county are your youth, yet they have turned to the backstreet corners where they take alcohol and all manner of drugs.
This Motion is very timely and it is important that we embrace it because it will make a difference in our country. I have been inspired by some educated young people, who are willing to take risks and do some great things for this country. I have a team of young people who are doing a project on energy in Machakos using garbage. This is quite inspiring. They will be using 100 tonnes of garbage to produce 3 megawatts of electricity.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity. I would like to thank the Mover of the Motion, hon. Njenga for bringing this very important Motion. It is one that will be of great help to the youth of this country. I hear a fellow colleague here complaining about ranking just because he was in the last Parliament and he is worried why he is not catching your eye. He does not know that every hon. Member is a Member here; whether he was there before or now. Some of them are even here by luck!
That is not your duty. I am sure I noticed that complaint and he is not very far in the queue. By the way, you also need to respect some seniority but I am not saying that is what we are following here.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is true and I agree that we need to respect seniority except that they need to carry a badge showing seniority. Some of them are not even known in this House.
Proceed, Hon. Nuh!
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, this Motion is important. It is a Motion that is of great help to the youth of this country. The youth form the biggest part of our population at the moment in this country and they have been promised many times that they are going to be helped, this and that will be done for them yet it has never been
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Fifty years down the line, we are still a young economy and in order for this economy to register double digits, we need to have a significant database or number of skilled technical workers. We are producing many graduates but we have a significant number of people who do not access secondary or higher education after Standard Eight.
In order for us to absorb these people and for them to become---
Hon. Junet, you had your opportunity in silence. Now, you must cooperate with the other Members.
You are interrupting my line of thought!
On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I understand that the hon. Member is not senior, she is new and she is still learning. However, is it in order for her to raise her concerns the way she is doing?
She is beautiful!
I agree that she is beautiful, but is it in order for her to raise her point of order the way she has done? First, she should be raising it through the Chair. Is she also in order to suggest that hon. Members are noisy? Hon. Members are never noisy. They can only consult loudly. Could she direct the matter through the Chair and say that the Members are consulting loudly so that she can withdraw her imputing improper motive on Members that they are noisy?
Hon. Millie is correct. However, Hon. Gathecha, proceed. Hon. Odhiambo-Mabona has put it correctly that she is a fairly new Member although we are no longer new. We are talking of three months since we were sworn in.
I stand guided, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. First of all, I want to congratulate the Mover of this Motion. If we want to develop as a country, it is important that we develop the technical capacity especially of our youth. This will help us eliminate insecurity in this country. There is no way we will have security in this country if the youth in this country do not have the skills they require to get jobs.
In order for our economy to register a double digit growth rate and process our resources, whether it is agriculture for those that are agricultural based and petroleum and minerals--- If we do not have the technical skills to produce and process those resources,
As I give the next contributor, let me just point out that it will be much easier if the hon. Members who have very good suggestions, like the one you have just given move amendments to the Motion. It will be easier and more effective. It is much better for you to move the amendment by yourselves or rather request the Mover of the Motion.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Let me start by thanking hon. Njenga for bringing this Motion which speaks to a very important facet of our population. I have been a Minister for Youth Affairs and I can confirm to this House that one of the things that amazed me the most as a Minister was going around the country visiting polytechnics because at that time I was responsible for the polytechnics across the country. I travelled from Msambweni to Garissa, Busia etcetera . It was amazing really to see the innovativeness in our young people and what they can do when offered a platform or an opportunity to unleash that potential. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, late last year, I travelled to Korea to visit institutions of training that you would rank or rate at the same level with our youth polytechnics here. I remember visiting one particular institute called the Korean Institute of Advanced Science and Technology (KIAST). It is an institute you could easily put at the same level with some of our institutes here like the Rift Valley Institute of Science and Technology. But I was amazed by the seriousness that the Korean Government attaches to these levels of institutions. I was amazed by the amount of the budgetary allocation that the Korean Government allocates deliberately to these institutions. I was amazed that the budgetary allocation to KIAST alone could be similar to the budget that runs the entire education sector in this country! So, first all, one of the things that we need is an attitude change. We have had a terrible attitude towards these middle- level colleges. Before I left the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports at that time we started a policy that we called âFeeling the missing middleâ. This is because over the last five to six years this country went into a craze of upgrading every little institution into a university. The Nairobi Polytechnic is now a university. The Kenya Science Teachers College which used to produce fantastic graduates in the arena of science has been taken over. A lot of institutions that one would have expected to feel this middle to provide the technical staff required to power our drive towards an industrial revolution have ceased to exist and have been upgraded to universities. I was very happy last week to hear the Deputy President, William Ruto, announce that there will be no further move by Government to upgrade institutes of training at this level to universities so that these institutions can receive the necessary support to play the role they ought to play to feel this missing middle and provide the technical staff that we need. The reason why I believe that hon. Njengaâs Motion is one of foresight and vision is that I am amazed at the absence of support to the young people that we send to these institutions. I went to Butula Polytechnic and I was amazed to find students being trained in motor mechanics using a vehicle that must have been designed before the First World War and must have gone out of use around the Second World War. That is the motor vehicle that was being used to train our young people in motor mechanics. These are people we expect to come out here and deal with advanced technology of the motor vehicle industry. I could not understand this. I remember picking the phone and calling the Minister for Transport then, hon. Kimunya. When you go around all Government installations be they offices for District Commissioners, now County Commissioners, you will find a lot of vehicles lying there disused or unused because the vehicles had punctures or some mechanical problem. I asked the Minister why the Government could not institute a policy to mop up all the
Your time is over. I am going to give to another âyouthfulâ Member of Parliament, hon. Maweu Katatha.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Like I said, I am asking my colleagues in this House to attach a lot of importance to this Motion. I will specifically want to refer to my constituency of which about 70 per cent of the population
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank hon. Kigo for bringing this Motion to the House. In the last three months, we have passed three Motions regarding the youth. That is how important it is. We must realize that the problem of unemployment amongst the youth is the greatest threat to our stability and the greatest impediment to our economic growth and development. There is no way this country is going to move forward. We cannot achieve the Vision 2030 or the double digit growth that we are dreaming of if the youth is not engaged. Unfortunately, we talk much about this, as I have said. In the last three months, this is the third Motion that we are discussing on the youth. Just last two weeks or so, we were talking about operationalizing the Youth Council. Before that, we had another Motion on the youth. We are all aware that during campaigns, the youths are the vanguard of our campaigns and we promise them a lot.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have had programmes and they have not had impact. The Youth Enterprise Development Fund (YEDF) has really not had the impact we expected. In my mind, again, this was not preceded by training of the youth. The funds were available, some youth took them but they could not use them properly because they were not trained. We have said here that many of the middle level colleges were turned into universities. Countries do not grow a large number of university graduates that are not supported by technologically competent middle level skilled personnel. That is something that we have to look at. Even in our schools, the curricula
Well said! If you need some more minutes, you still have four minutes in the afternoon but it looks like you have concluded. Hon. Members, it is now time to interrupt business. The House is, therefore, adjourned until this afternoon.
The House rose at 12.30 p.m.