Hon. Members, I have quite some lengthy Communication, and I would like us to have a sufficient number of Members in the House. So, it will be done a little later. So, let us skip this and move on to the next Order.
Yes, hon. Agostino Neto! RECOGNITION OF TITLE DEEDS OF SETTLERS IN NAROK SOUTH
Thank you, hon. Speaker. The petition that I am about to present was handed over to us by the members of the Mau settlements as a human rights caucus when we visited them about two months ago. The petition is for the recognition of land title deeds and removal of caveats on land title deeds. It reads as follows:- “We, the undersigned citizens of the Republic of Kenya and duly registered owners of specified properties situated in Narok South, Narok County, draw the attention of the House to the following:- One, on diverse dates before 2005, over 15,000 Kenyan families comprising mainly members of the Kipsigis community bought land in Tenderet Location area (also known as Sierra Leone) in Narok County. Those properties were formally known as “Enkaroni and Enekeshomi Group Ranches” and were purchased on a willing seller, willing buyer bases, and for which land titles were issued. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Members, you will recall that yesterday I did communicate about the passing on of a colleague, hon. Joseph Ngugi Nyumu, on 21st May, 2013. In that communication yesterday, I did indicate that the late hon. Nyumu had presented a petition relating to Muthanga Farm. I indicated that I would allow hon. Members some 30 minutes today to make any comments that may have any relevance, because the Committee responsible has already tabled its Report. They would use the occasion to also give personal condolences to the family, relatives and friends of the late hon. Nyumu. I will give the first opportunity to the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Lands, hon. Alex Mwiru. Please, make brief comments.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On the matter that has been raised through the petition by hon. Neto, the Committee is ready to pursue the issue in accordance with the Standing Orders of this House. I undertake that we shall investigate the matter thoroughly and present a report to this House as deserved. On the matter of Muthanga Farm, when the hour comes, we shall also be able to contribute on the same because we have already laid our Report on the Table of this House. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Yes, hon. Cyprian Iringo!
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to convey my heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of our departed colleague. On my The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Yes, hon. Francis Waititu!
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also rise to be together with my colleagues in the Eleventh Parliament for losing one of us. The late hon. Nyumu was my neighbour in Kiambu County. Gatundu South and Juja Constituency are neighbours. Hon. Speaker, we also thank you, the President, the Deputy President and all the Members of Parliament who attended the funeral. It was a good show of the Eleventh Parliament. After we lost hon. Ngugi, Members of Parliament started to raise funds immediately for his funeral. It is true that you raised a lot of money, which helped us in Kiambu County. We have seen the togetherness of the CORD and Jubilee coalitions. This shows that if we stay united not only when one of us has departed, we can run this country together. I thank all the Members from the CORD and Jubilee coalitions who joined us as we visited his family and subsequently proceeded with the burial arrangements in Gatundu. We are also grateful for the money that you gave us for the expenses. We know that most of the Members of the Committee on Education, Research and Technology were weeping in front of me when I broke the news to them. That is the way to go. So, I thank everybody in this House. I know that those who did not join us were committed elsewhere. Some had sent their condolences. May God bless this House for the unity that I saw during the burial preparations of hon. Ngugi! Thank you.
Yes, hon. Steven Mule.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. First and foremost, I would like to pass my condolences to the people of Gatundu. May God rest his soul in eternal peace and give his family ample time to recover from the big loss. Secondly, as a Member of the Human Rights Caucus, I have just heard the Chairman of the Lands Committee giving an undertaking on the petition that was presented by hon. Neto. However, he has not given specific time. We should bear in mind the fact that the people of Mau have been sleeping in the cold for the last six years. This matter is a bit urgent. We need to have a specific time frame, so that we can put this matter to rest and enable those people to enjoy the best of their lives. Thank you, hon. Speaker. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Yes, hon. Kimani Njuguna!
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I would like to thank all the hon. Members of this House, on behalf of the late hon. Joseph Ngugi. As you all know, I was the Chair of the funeral committee. On behalf of his family, I would like to pass a special and sincere recognition for the role that you, hon. Members, played towards the journey of resting him. We thank you for your generous contribution. To be very honest, in terms of cash donations, we received over Kshs2 million. In terms of check-off system, we received over Kshs3.3 million. This was one occasion when I saw Members of Parliament united in grief. It did not matter what political party one came from. It was a very good example that we set for the constituents of Gatundu South. I would only wish that we could show leadership in other areas in the same way we were united during the send off of hon. Nyumu. For sure, your generosity touched the family and the constituents of Gatundu South. Hon. Speaker, I would like to thank you. When I came to your office, you went outside the call of duty to assist and within a short time; we were able to put systems together. The Clerk of the National Assembly and all the Members that I appealed to, in terms of assistance, I thank you more sincerely, on behalf of the family. This morning, I was with the wife of the late Ngugi Nyumu. She requested me that if I get a chance, I tell you all, hon. Members, that she was touched by your generosity and the way you condoled the family in one way or the other. As I said, hon. Jose was very close to me. In terms of the cause for humanity, he was running Bridgestone Rehabilitation Centre, showing that he had a big heart for the people of this nation. As the Chair of the funeral committee, I appreciate and thank you more sincerely for your generosity. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Yes, hon. Nicholas Gumbo!
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. On my own behalf, and on behalf of the people of Rarieda Constituency, I would like to send my condolences to the family of our departed colleague, hon. Ngugi. Inevitable as it is, death is always a very painful experience, especially for those who are left behind. I have no doubt in my mind that all of us seated in this House, at one point or the other; we have had to experience this most personal and very painful experience. Hon. Speaker, it is in this vein that I wish to truly, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart, join the people of Kenya in empathising with the people of Gatundu South and his family. I saw his distraught mum. I was very close to my mother when she was alive. Every time I got into problems I could see the pain she went through. I can only understand and even try to imagine the pain that the mother of our departed colleague is going through. We fight for the happiness of the people we lead. I want to believe that the late hon. Nyumu was doing everything to fight for the happiness of the great people of Gatundu South. My appeal to the great people of Gatundu South is that, when the election date comes, may they elect a selfless individual who will carry the leadership and the footsteps of hon. Nyumu. As I conclude, we witnessed the coming together of all of us during the passing on of our colleague. My appeal to all of us is that may the passing on of our colleague The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity. On my own behalf and on behalf of the people of Endebess, Trans-Nzoia County, I sincerely wish to send my condolences to the people of Gatundu South, following the death of our brother, hon. Joseph Nyumu. Hon. Speaker, Sir, it is not just a loss to us as Jubilee Coalition, but to us as a House because he was a brother and colleague. We shall miss his contributions quite a lot. I know it is a difficult time for the people of Gatundu South as they ponder the next thing to do and also about the family of the late colleague. He has left a young family and this was somebody who was energetic. He woke up and went to the bathroom and in the process of showering, it happened. Hon. Speaker, it is only God who knows what is going to happen next to each and every one of us. But while we are here, we must make our positive contributions. We must realize our strengths and weaknesses and see how best this country can be governed. It should be governed in a way that everybody has a good roof under him, good education, good health facilities and enjoys the fruits of our effort. Hon. Speaker, we know insecurity is a major issue at this moment and one of the key issues that is bedeviling our country. Everywhere you go, Kenyans are wondering what next. We know the President is taking this issue very seriously, going by the advertisement we have seen. We hope even in the security budget, they will allocate enough money and resources to our men in uniform. Also, our men in the intelligence should be allocated enough money so that they can serve this country diligently and to the expectations of many Kenyans. This country belongs to all of us and this generation and the future generations will judge us, especially this House on how we contributed to make sure that this country is safe for everybody. Hon. Speaker, the petition that has been read by hon. Oyugi about our people in Mau who have been there for the last six years – people who bought land; people who invested their money and at the end of the day they have been evicted and are on the road being rained on. This is a key issue that this House needs to take up with the seriousness it deserves. We have had several petitions presented here in his House. In my own constituency, I have members from my community who bought private land within the forest; they were evicted and the matter has been presented to the Departmental Committee on Lands and up to date nothing has been done. We hope that the Committee will look at it seriously and give justice to Kenyans wherever they are. Kenyans look upon us and more so to this House to show leadership and we have no choice about it. We must show leadership that can take this country to the next level. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Asante sana, Bw. Spika. Nataka nichukue nafasi hii nitume rambirambi zangu kwa wananchi wa Gatundu Kusini kwa sababu ya kumpoteza ndugu yetu, Mhe. Nyumu. Hayati Nyumu alikuwa rafiki wangu wa karibu sana wakati tulikuwa pamoja katika Kamati ya Elimu, Utafiti na Tekenolojia. Bw. Spika, nataka kusema mambo mawili kuhusu hayati ndugu yetu, Mhe. Nyumu. Hayati Mhe. Nyumu alilala akiwa ni kiongozi mchanga na ilikuwa mara yake ya kwanza kuingia katika Bunge hili. Tukiwa katika mkutano wa kwanza, katika chumba kidogo pale ndani, tuliguzia swala la Wabunge wale wa kwanza kupata malipo ya uzeeni. Akiwa mmoja wa wale wamelala; katika uongozi wake, huu ndio wakati ambapo tungeangalia swala la kupata malipo ya uzeeni, hata kama ni kuingia siku moja na uondoke katika Bunge hili. Bw. Spika, nataka kusema kwamba ingekuwa vyema kama wale waliokuwa katika safari rasmi kule nje, wangetoa msaada wao ili kuisaidia familia ya ndugu yetu Nyumu. Ninasikitika moyoni kwamba wale waliotutangulia humu ndani hawakuwa na mikakati kamili ya kuhakikisha kwamba tupo na njia mwafaka ya kukusanya fedha kidogo kidogo za kusaidia wakati kama huu; hata kama nikupitia kwa njia ya malipo ya check-off system. Ningeomba kwamba tuliangalie swala hili. Tuwe na kiwango fulani ambacho tutahitajika kutoa wakati kama huu, kinaweza kuwa shilingi 10,000 ama 20,000. Jambo hili litasaidia sana familia ya wale watakuwa wametuaga. Kwa wale wanashughulikia maslahi yetu, tungeomba kwamba washughulikie swala hili kwa sababu ya wale wenzetu ambao watatuacha kwa kifo. Mungu aibariki familia ya ndugu Nyumu na wale ambao alikuwa akiwawakilisha Bungeni. Asanta Sana.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity to condole the family of hon. Nyumu. Most importantly, I want to say that I was extremely touched when I learnt that our departed colleague was born the same year I was born. I then started panicking and wondering whether my agemates have started a journey of going to meet their maker. I pray to God that it does not happen soon; although we know it must happen. Hon. Speaker, what is most important and what I received with a lot of humility is the fact that when the Deputy President was offering his condolence at the final service of our colleague, he said hon. Nyumu was the only Member of Parliament for whom the President of this Republic of Kenya voted for. I wish I would have claimed that space as well, because then I would have been more proud to sit in this Parliament. Hon. Speaker, most importantly, as a mother, I know where the widow of hon. Nyumu has been left. She is there with very little children who need to be taken care of. I agree with hon. Arati that it is upon this House to make sure that we take care of that family. I do not see why the standard of living that hon. Nyumu had set for his family should go down at any one point in time; having served as a Member of this Parliament. It is upon us to make sure that the dreams that our departed colleague had for his people, either through the good people of Kiambu County or this Eleventh Parliament, are realized. Hon. Speaker, I therefore, feel the space that our hon. Member left and pray to God that he is going to give his family a lot of strength so that they will accept the loss of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Please, we are ending at 3.10 p.m. So just bear in mind your colleagues because too many of you have made requests.
Hon. Speaker, indeed, I will be very brief. I want to take this opportunity to join my colleagues in sending my condolences on behalf of the great people of Balambala Constituency in Garissa County to the family and the constituents of our good departed brother, hon. Joseph Nyumu. I want to say that his loss is a great loss to this House and nation having had the opportunity to interact with hon. Jose for the little time we had here. I can say we have lost, not just a colleague, but a great legislator who represented the people of Gatundu South. I want to end by saying that looking at the petition which he has left behind, it strikes a challenge for us. This young man was trying to strike a balance between settling farmers on their deserved land while at the same time fighting for the plight of squatters who were living in that place. He was a man who had a great heart for the people of this country. He looked into the welfare of our squatters and gave our farmers an opportunity to take the land which they deserved. Not long ago, we saw on television a displaced family whose houses were demolished along the northern bypass. I looked at the face of a very elderly mama who was crying on screen and I said, as leaders we need to find a lasting solution to land issues in this country. Thank you.
Hon. Speaker, I also want to join my colleagues to condole the family of the late hon. Nyumu. I knew him last year when we joined the Departmental Committee on Education, Research and Technology and I found him to be a person who was very humble and likeable. He was somebody who could interact with anybody. Initially, I did not even know he was the Member for Gatundu South until after some time. I had a friend before who was a Member for Gatundu before it was split. When I asked how it felt to be a Member for Gatundu, as a Member of Parliament for my former friend--- It was a great achievement that hon. Nyumu was able to step in the shoes of the President now and he was able to serve very well. With those few remarks, pole to the family and the people of Gatundu. I hope that we shall get a Member of Parliament who will fit in the same shoes that hon. Nyumu has left.
Let me give this chance to the Chair of the Committee on Education, Research and Technology to which the late hon. Nyumu belonged.
Hon. Speaker, as the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education, Research and Technology, first and foremost, I want to give my condolences and the condolences of the people of Muranga County. I would like to inform this House that the day before hon. Nyumu passed on; he participated from 9.00 a.m. to 3.00 p.m. in a Committee meeting. He was the person who said the prayers that day. Hon. Nyumu was one committed Member of the Departmental Committee on Education, Research and Technology. It is such a great loss to the country and to the people of Gatundu South. I would like to tell the Budget and Appropriations Committee that one of the things that hon. Nyumu was fighting for was to make sure that the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the Government and teachers was implemented. So, as we look at the Budget, we are hoping that that part of the CBA that The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity. I also join my colleagues to condole with the family of the late Member for Gatundu South and wish to state that death comes with such finality and that all human beings are mortal. One day, it will happen to us and, therefore, it is good to be ready when it happens. I also want to take this opportunity to give condolences on behalf of the people of Makueni who I represent and wish the people of Gatundu South together with the family of our departed colleague the best in future and the coming elections. Thank you.
Hon. Speaker, thank you for giving me this chance to condole and also mourn my good friend, my departed hero, hon. Jose, the MP for Gatundu South. I think I am one of the last Members of Parliament to see the late hon. Jose alive because I am the one who walked him to his vehicle on Tuesday before he passed on. In fact, there is a document I wanted him to sign and he told me that he wanted to sleep over it and we meet the following day so that he could sign it. It is a great loss to the people of Gatundu South. It is a great loss to the people of Kiambu and this National Assembly. Maybe unknown to many hon. Members is that hon. Nyumu was a very kind and philanthropic person. He actually gave out one of his palatial houses in Runda to be used as a rehabilitation center. In fact, when we went for the burial, you could see his footprints everywhere. We could see whatever he has done in that short time. We interacted with him, not just as a colleague here in Parliament but as a friend. I know for sure that hon. Nyumu was your good friend. I remember interacting with him when he brought up the issue of the Muthanga Farm which he passionately pushed. I believe that since I am also in the Departmental Committee on Lands we will finish what he started. I also know that the people of Kieni are mourning at the same time because the in-laws come from Kieni. At this juncture, I want to wish the family of hon. Nyumu all the best. We know for sure that God is with them. With those few remarks, I wish to say that may his soul rest in eternal peace.
Thank you hon. Speaker for giving me this chance. Colleagues, friends of our late hon. Joseph Ngugi, let us just accept that death is a cruel thing but must come. I just want to take this opportunity on behalf of my own family and people of Kwanza and Trans-Nzoia County to send my condolences to my brother, the late hon. Joseph Ngugi. Just as we were closing, in the rest room here, I joked with him. When I heard the news, I could not believe he is the same man I talked to last. The family and the people of Gatundu South, my condolences and please take heart and hope to get another Joseph Ngugi to come and represent the great people of Gatundu South. Thank you.
Ahsante sana, Mhe. Spika. Hata nami nataka kuungana na wenzangu kwa niaba yangu mwenyewe na watu wa eneo bunge la Kipipiri kupeana rambirambi zangu kwa familia, ndugu na jamaa wote ambao wametoka Gatundu Kusini The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Very well. Next Order. Hon. Members, you know with 30 requests and we only had 30 minutes, you should appreciate. Let us just be satisfied with what has happened. Next Order!
Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House today, Wednesday 4th June, 2014:- The Public Investments Committee Special Report on the Procurement of the Tender for the Proposed Kenya Bureau of Standards Coast Regional Offices and Laboratories in Mombasa.
I want to encourage all committees to lead by example. I am sure I am not saying anything that you do not know. I want to encourage all committees and committee chairs to also be regularly seen on the Floor laying Papers and reports of what you have been doing including those that have had occasion to visit other parts of the world. Tell us what you learnt that is of value to this Parliament. If you also saw wild animals and anything or any attraction that would add value to the work of Parliament, also do a report.
Please, we know when you travel out there, you are not travelling there in vain. You are doing so on behalf of and for the benefit of the institution of Parliament. I just want other committees to emulate what the Chair of Public Investments Committee has been doing for the last one year and a few months. Leader of Majority Party, have the Floor.
Hon. Speaker, I want to thank you for that guidance. I served in the last Parliament; I was in Energy Committee with my good friend, hon. Gumbo. Every time we went for a trip paid for by Parliament, we had a deadline of two weeks within which to table a report. I want to say that since the beginning of the Eleventh Parliament, I have not seen any report tabled by Members who have benefited from these trips. So, that challenge is to the chairs and Members. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House today, Wednesday 4th June, 2014:- The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Members, even those walking out, you are encouraged to read these Reports. They are not just tabled, they are for every Member. Let us not assume that they are meant only for committees. Every Member is entitled to have a copy and read it so that when debate on those reports begins on the Floor of the House, every Member is able to contribute from position of knowledge and information. The Chairperson of Budget and Appropriations Committee, proceed.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House today, Wednesday 4th June, 2014. The Budget and Appropriations Committee Report on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for Financial Year 2014/2015. Combined Reports of Public Budget Hearings for the Estimates of Expenditure and Revenue held in eight centers on 20th May, 2014 and in Nairobi on 22nd May, 2014. A compendium of the Departmental Committee Reports on the Scrutiny of 2014/2015 Budget Estimates.
Very well. Hon. Njagagua, you have a point of order?
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Indeed, it is not a point of order but an intervention. I have seen this afternoon and on many other days Papers being laid on the Table of the House. You have directed that it is prudent for Members to acquaint themselves with the contents of those Papers. At times, we go to Room Eight and find that all the Papers are over because they have been taken. Could you order that they be sent to us by soft copy via e-mail or they be posted on the website so that we can acquaint ourselves with the contents thereof? It is a kind request. In fact, the Leader of Majority Party is saying that Ipads are on the way.
Well, I am informed from the Clerk’s Department that most of the Reports tabled here are on the Parliamentary website and therefore can be accessed. I believe everybody here knows how to visit, you do not have to walk on your two feet.
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Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, this House adopts the Public Investments Committee Special Report on the Procurement of the Tender for the Proposed Kenya Bureau of Standards Coast Regional Offices and Laboratories in Mombasa. Hon. Speaker, before we adjourned there was a small procedural mistake which was made – I do not blame anybody. I want to give notice of Motions of some of the reports that we tabled. We realized that instead of deferring--- I do not want to blame the Leader of Majority Party because we were in a haste of doing so many things. I realized that those Motions were withdrawn inadvertently. Allow me, once again, to give notice of the same Motions. Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notices of the following Motions:- ADOPTION OF PIC SPECIAL REPORT ON TASSIA II PROJECT THAT, this House adopts the Public Investments Committee Special Report on the Procurement and Financing of the National Social Security Fund Tassia II Infrastructure Development Project. ADOPTION OF PIC SPECIAL REPORT ON STANDARD GAUGE RAILWAY THAT, this House adopts the Public Investments Committee Special Report on the Procurement and Financing of the Construction of the Standard Gauge Railway from Mombasa to Nairobi. ADOPTION OF PIC SPECIAL REPORT ON RESTRUCTURING OF KPRL THAT, this House adopts the Public Investments Committee Special Report on the Restructuring of the Kenya Petroleum Refinery Limited. ADOPTION OF PIC SPECIAL REPORT ON RESTRUCTURING OF TELKOM KENYA The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, this House adopts the Budget and Appropriations Committee Report on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Financial Year 2014/2015 laid on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, 4th June, 2014. Hon. Speaker, I have no doubt that now that this Report is the property of his honourable House, the House Business Committee (HBC) will give this matter all the necessary attention so that we can prosecute the matters at hand as contained in this Report because the budgetary clock is running. I am informed by the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury informally that it will be around 12th June, 2014. I would like to beg hon. Speaker, with your kind permission, that when you sit in the Chair you give consideration to this Report so that we can begin to address the issues basically of the budget of the Republic of Kenya as soon as possible.
For the avoidance of any doubt, this Report has been prioritized by the HBC and debate on it will commence tomorrow 5th June, 2014 and if you do not conclude it, we will proceed on with it on Tuesday, next week. I, therefore, urge every Member who cares, to get a copy of the Report and prepare yourselves for debate starting tomorrow 5th June, 2014. COMPENSATION FOR KENYANS TORTURED DURING STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- Aware that in 2013 the British Government agreed to pay Kenyans who were abused, tortured, maimed and detained by the British colonial forces during the Mau Mau uprising from 1952 and onwards compensation of Kshs2.5 billion as an out-of-court settlement; further aware that the compensation was only paid to a section of few MauMau victims from Kiambu and Nyeri counties leaving out victims from Meru, Kirinyaga, North Rift, Western Province and Nyanza Province--- The fact is that leaders from these two counties initiated a court process claim for compensation to the victims who were eventually compensated. Noting that the struggle for Independence in this county involved various communities in this country and individuals who all fought during MauMau --- Everybody was involved, both individuals---
Are you giving a notice of Motion? What you are saying now is not in that Motion. Remember, I always go through all the Motions and so I know. You have gone beyond what you are supposed to do.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Everybody was involved including individuals like followers of Dini ya
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Hon. Members, I did indicate that those of you who may be standing can resume their seats or freeze or whichever you find convenient. I have this communication to make in relation to premature disclosure or publication of committee’s evidence proceedings for draft Report. PREMATURE DISCLOSURE OF COMMITTEE’S EVIDENCE On Wednesday, April, 23rd 2014, the Leader of Majority Party rose on a point of order to challenge the admissibility of the Report of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) on the hire of an aircraft for the Deputy President for a tour of four African nations in May, 2013. The challenge was premised on the premature disclosure and publication by the Nation Media Group and the Standard Media Group of the evidence and findings of the Committee prior to the tabling of the Report. The Leader of Majority Party claimed that the Report of the Committee was published by one of the dailies on its headlines for two consecutive days, and particularly on the second day, with factually the entire Report and Committee’s recommendations carried almost word for word. He sought to know a number of issues, including the date when the Committee adopted the Report and if it was adopted before the House went on the April short recess, why the report was not tabled then, and whether the Report was tabled within the first 14 days after its adoption in compliance with paragraph (6) of Standing Order No. 199. He also sought to know whether the Members of the Committee or its secretariat could have occasioned the premature disclosure. He similarly wanted to know if the Report tabled by the Chairperson of PAC is the same Report whose contents and findings the newspapers carried, and if so, what that Act portends to the integrity of Parliament. Reacting to the matter, the Chairperson of PAC, hon. Ababu Namwamba, denied the allegations and affirmed that the Report he had just tabled was becoming public for the first time. He assured the House that PAC did exercise due diligence and was confident of the integrity and sanctity of the Report he had just tabled. Hon. Members, from the outset, unauthorized disclosure of Committee evidence, documents, proceedings or Reports is not a new thing. Invariably, the motivation to disclose information ranges from carrying favour with a journalist to advancing party political advantage. Again, not all disclosures will necessarily interfere with the work of a Committee and such would not necessarily be considered to constitute contempt. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
On a point of order, hon. Speaker.
Hon. John Mbadi, I hope you will keep within your Standing Orders.
Yes. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
I hope you keep within your Standing Orders. A ruling of the Speaker can never be the subject of a point of order.
I can never challenge the ruling of the Speaker.
I am sure you are quite alive to the Standing Orders, hon. Mbadi. Proceed.
Hon. Speaker, actually I appreciate your ruling and I want to raise two issues maybe for the Speaker’s consideration. The first one is with regard to the title of that Report. It is a shock to me that the Report which came to the House was titled “The Hustler’s Jet Inquiry”. The Committee, I remember very well and members of that Committee will bear me witness, said that we do not want that terminology to appear in the Report. I just want to say that if that Report carries such a heading, then the Clerk of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Very well. Of course, with regard to the first matter that you have raised, I have looked at the Report. It has the title “The Hustler’s Jet Inquiry” and I have ruled on that. So, no further comments on that. With regard to our relationship with the media, there is a Parliamentary Media Reporters Group which is housed here within Parliament. So, I think your proposal would be for us to have further and perhaps better engagement for them to understand some of the rules that they may not understand in their own practices, which is also being undertaken by the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) through a committee chaired by hon. Gladys Wanga who may not be listening but she is the one.
Who is this Member? I will tell you hon. Member to just stand where you are standing. Again, it is important just like those who go to churches on Sundays and other days and to mosques on Fridays and other days to be constantly reminded of the faith. For us here in the House, we need to constantly remind ourselves about the Standing Orders, that if you stand between the Speaker and the Member that is either addressing the Speaker or the Speaker is addressing you, you are actually impeding communication. Now, from where you stood I was not actually too sure that hon. John Mbadi could hear what I was saying. So, that is just to remind you. So, hon. John Mbadi, I was explaining that that issue of media and communication is being addressed by the PSC and we have set up a new committee chaired by Commissioner Gladys Wanga, who at the time I was reporting to you was not with us but at least she got shocked when she heard me mention her name. The mention was in good light that she is the one chairing that committee in the PSC dealing with communication and other outreach work. So, your proposals will very soon be taken on board. Next Order.
Please hon. Members, we may not allow you to read the entire narrative. Just go to the gist of the matter. Hon. Mwangangi. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order No.44(2)(c), I hereby request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment and Natural Resources concerning the degrading state of the Ngong and Nairobi rivers. These rivers are polluted with garbage, industrial liquid toxic waste, agrochemicals and petrochemicals among others. This situation has occasioned the spread of water borne diseases, lose of sustainable livelihoods, reduced availability and access to safe portable water which affects the livelihoods of Kenyans and further affects the sustainable use of the environment. Hon. Speaker, the Chairperson should inquire into and report on the plans in place to avert this risk posed to the people within the rivers’ reach and the environment. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Chairperson, the hon. Amina Abdalla or the Deputy, hon. Alice Nganga.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. The Chairperson stepped outside but she gave me permission to respond. We will deliver the response in three weeks’ time because right now we are dealing with the Mining Bill and the Water Bill. So, in three weeks’ time the Member can get his response.
It is okay, hon. Speaker. Thank you.
Very well. The second one is from hon. Omondi Anyanga. Omondi Anyanga reported that his card is “misbehaving” today.
Hon. Speaker, it is now on. I can proceed.
You know sometimes hon. Members want to go to the Dispatch Box thinking that it is prestigious. GOVERNMENT PROGRAMME ON ESTABLISHMENT OF IRRIGATION PROJECTS
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order No.44(2)(c), I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Cooperatives regarding the Government programme on establishment of irrigation projects of arable land for food production in this country. Hon. Speaker, the Chairperson should inquire into and report on:- (i) the status of irrigation projects in every district stating the scope of work done so far and how much was allocated for these projects; and (ii) state the details of the contractor to undertake the projects and the companies sub-contracted and give a list of the company’s directors and their professional qualifications.
Hon. Nooru, the Chairperson.
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Thank you, hon. Speaker. I think I am in agreement because he has confirmed to this House that he is going to bring a detailed report. Thank you.
Next, hon. Omondi.
Hon. Speaker, the closure of Mwer Administration Police Camp in Alego Usonga Constituency was a very hot matter and as such, as I was drafting the statement request, I engaged the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security, hon. Abongotum, who took it upon himself to call Mr. Arachi, the Deputy Inspector-General of Administration Police (AP). He also took it upon himself to call the Siaya County AP Commandant and this matter has since been resolved. The APs have gone back to the Camp and there is no problem now, as far as their removal is concerned. Thank you.
Therefore, are you withdrawing your request?
Yes. I am withdrawing my request because the APs have since moved back to the Camp after the intervention of the Chairman of Administration and National Security Committee. SUSPENSION OF MR. MOHAMMED GARISSO KOMORAH BY KAA
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order 44(2)(c), I wish to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport, Public Works and Housing concerning the suspension of employees by the Kenya Airports Authority (KAA), without following due process. I am particularly concerned with the suspension of Mr. Mohammed Garisso Komorah on 29th June, 2006. Hon. Speaker, in the statement the Chairperson should inquire into and report on whether the suspension by the Kenya Airports Authority was within the labour laws and the collective bargaining agreement. He should state how long the suspension stands. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Is that okay, hon. Sane?
It is okay, hon. Speaker. Thank you.
Very well. Hon. Ken Okoth, hon. Member for Kibra. The hon. Member is absent, statement request is dropped.
The Member for Samburu West, hon. Lati Lelelit.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. My request for statement is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Order, hon. Members! Hon. Jimmy Angwenyi, you are an old Member, allow hon. Lati Lelelit to be heard.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. My request for a statement is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security. KILLING OF UNIVERSITY STUDENTS LEADER IN MARALAL TOWN On 31st October, 2013, a very unfortunate incident happened in Maralal Town. University students were demonstrating peacefully in response to cattle that had been stolen from Marti. The cattle were being transported with full authorization of the OCS, Marti. On that same day, a student leader, Thompson Lekishorimongi, whom I proudly referred to as “Tomkish” was killed by the OCS, Maralal. I would like the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security to help us get into the root cause of this very important question. He should state the following:- (i) why there was no occurrence book filled in Maralal, after Tomkish was killed; (ii) why the OCS, Marti, who was involved in cattle rustling has not been arrested; (iii) whether there are any plans by the Government of Kenya to compensate the family of Thompson Lekishorimongi; and (iv) more importantly, I would like to ask the Committee to help us by getting into Maralal to investigate this matter. Thank you.
This is to hon. Asman Abongotum Kamama.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. First, I want to thank hon. Washington Omondi for the compliments he gave to this Committee. Hon. Speaker, this matter is extremely grave because it involves students who were demonstrating and one of their leaders was killed. Therefore, we will fast-track this matter and give a response in ten days. I also want to report to the House that this matter is also being handled by the Independent Policing Oversight Authority (IPOA) which is investigating it and we will get their report. We are willing as a Committee to visit Maralal and establish the true facts of this incident. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I did not hear whether he said it will take him two weeks or one week. I did not hear the timeline.
I said ten days.
Ten days is perfect. Thank you, Chairman.
Very well. The hon. Member for Wajir County, hon. Fatuma Ibrahim Ali. Is she here in the Chamber?
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Who was on the Floor? Hon. Nyamweya, you have a balance of five minutes. Do you intend to proceed?
Hon. Speaker, thank you for giving me a chance to contribute to this Bill. From the outset I said that I am opposing this Bill because we need guidance, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Speaker, I am really disturbed because this request for statement was signed by the Speaker of the National Assembly---
You are out of order again. We are in debate. Hon. (Dr.) Pukose!
Thank you hon. Speaker for allowing me to contribute to this Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill, 2014. Some of the amendments here are good. My problem is in terms of lumping them together. If they had been separated, then we will be able to look at them and say: “This is good.” When you look at how the Bills have been lumped, I oppose it. That is because for one, when we look at the Criminal Procedure Code where, currently, we have big challenges in terms of arresting criminals who are terrorists, they are taken to jail and the next day, they have been given bond and The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Order, hon. (Dr) Pukose! The current Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill proposes to amend the following laws:- The Land Adjudication Act Chapter 284. The Urban Areas and Cities Act No. 13 of 2011. The Transition to Devolved Government Act No. 1 of 2012. The County Government Act No.17 of 2012. The Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Authority Act No.13 of 2013. The Crops Act, No.15 of 2013. The Kenya Agricultural and Livestock Research Act of 2013 No. 17. I suspect that the Penal Code or the Criminal Procedure Code which you are referring to now deals with issues relating to bail and it could be in a different Bill and not this one.
I think it might have been mixed up from the Office of the Clerk. What I have here, which is a voluminous one, has several of them.
It is not that one. When I saw the size of the one you are holding, I got a bit curious.
It is quite big! Then I think I am out of order.
Yes. Hon. Members even as hon. (Dr.) Pukose resumes his seat because he was looking at the wrong Bill, the number of laws being proposed to be amended, as you can tell, are very few. Most of you are saying the same things. Indeed, in the interest of time and to allow the House to transact other businesses, if we can minimize repetition so that we live within the provisions of Standing Order No.106 on being repetitive, tediously so, either repeating yourself or what others have said, it will be good. Even as I give you a chance to contribute, bear that in mind. That is because the issues we are raising now are the same that were said yesterday. Those who contributed yesterday said the same things. You can say other things in other businesses pending before the House. Hon. Gichigi is not there?
He is not there.
Hon. (Ms.) Nyokabi Kanyua. Or you place your cards and---
Thank you hon. Speaker, my apologies for the one minute delay. I want to support this Bill and I want to support the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill and to really support that a couple of laws are amended in this fashion every once a year. I support this law, especially the one dealing with urban cities, and the change of criteria to really cover more municipalities and urban cities in terms of the criteria that was passed by the law. I think that it is important that the criterion is The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Katoo ole Metito, the Majority Whip.
I stand to support this Miscellaneous Amendment Bill. As my colleague hon. (Dr.) Pukose was saying, the meaning of the “miscellaneous amendment Bill” is an amalgamation of several statutes that are amended through one piece of legislation. It cannot be brought in separate pieces. Like on this one, there are seven statutes or Acts of Parliament that are being amended and these amendments are not major amendments as opposed to what the Member for Bomachoge has said. It is not a major amendment that requires going through committees or the respective Ministries. Let me just talk about three proposed amendments. One is on land. The amendments are not major. Actually, they are just meant to align with the current realities, especially with the current Constitution. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Members, we want to do business before the House. We have actually discussed this Bill. There is no sentence that I hear which is not a repetition of something that somebody has said. If you were not in the Chamber yesterday, you should have read the HANSARD. That is because you will find yourselves repeating what Members have already said. Let us have people who are giving new perspectives only. The hon. Member for Maragua, do you think yours is a new perspective?
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I will be very brief.
I will be really looking at repetition because it is in the Standing Orders.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, it is better for us to pass those amendments. Some of the things which are happening in our county assemblies are being tied by this National Assembly. In my county, we have not even changed the land control boards that were there before because we have not changed some of the laws. Therefore, we should pass those amendments. However, I still have a problem with the export of macadamia and bixa. When we give a window to the Cabinet Secretary to issue permits, we are creating room for nepotism and corruption. Why should we not come up with a law which will allow all the people to import those crops? This is a problem that we have even today. We have not been able to export our coffee and tea to many countries outside just because we have been confined to a few countries. We should come up with a law which will allow us to export more. This should be a very good law. It will help us to create jobs for our youth, so that they can avoid alcoholism. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
With a lot of respect, that particular issue has been covered very well by a speaker who spoke before you.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I have deliberated enough.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, most of the issues that I wanted to canvass have been canvassed; except to say that noting the mischief that sometimes goes on with the miscellaneous (amendments) bills, those of us who come from areas whose economy is predicated mainly on fishing, maybe, as we move forward, time has come when we must prepare comprehensive Acts to regulate fishing especially now that we are going into aqua-culture. I do not wish to say more than that; except to say that this is something that we are working on and going forward, we want to look at how we can empower the fisher folk so that fishing can become a major contributor to the economy which it ought to have been for the past 50 years. With those remarks, I support.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Quickly, I want to talk about three things and I want to believe that they have not been spoken about before. First, we should understand that urban areas are miniature governments under county governments and they are supposed to have their own little governments. They are supposed to have their own funding and administrative arrangements. Considering the numbers that are proposed here, I have a problem with this given the fact that, there are some validation reports that had been done before, particularly by the former Ministry of Local Government. I remember when hon. Musalia Mudavadi was the Minister for Local Government, a very serious audit was done and many local authorities were found to be un-viable. When the 175 local authorities were validated, it was found that less than 70 were really viable. So, when we reduce the population that is required of an urban area, we are going to get back to the same problem or even much deeper problem than we had because we are likely to create more urban areas than the 175 local authorities that we had. This is a big problem in the Bill and it needs to be looked into in a very serious manner. The other thing is the whole issue of timing. As and when should we be talking about an urban or a municipality coming in. This is a big problem that we are experiencing now. There are areas which are qualified to be urban areas or municipalities but, for many of them, the governors have not upgraded them. This is something that needs to be considered very seriously. The other thing that I want to quickly get into is the whole issue of the Transitional Authority in terms of transfer of functions. There is a problem when you look at this in relation to what is being discussed at the moment about the county commissioners. The legislation is proposing that, at a certain moment, when a county does not have a legislation related to a function that has been transferred to it, then a national legislation needs to be put in place. The problem with this is that, when a The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
With a lot of respect, the AFFA issue also has been well articulated by the Member for Mbita. About three Members have raised that issue.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I can shelve that. But I want to conclude by saying that, in as much as we are saying that some of those things are really miscellaneous, like it has been said before, the amendments here will affect largely the county governments. I want to bring out the whole issue of the relationship between the number of wards and the number of county executive members. The Constitution mentions this very clearly that there is a relationship between the number of wards and the number of county executive members. When we reduce the number of wards to a maximum of 15, then that negates the whole thing that we set in the Constitution. The Constitution says that there is a ratio of almost one to three, such that when we talk about one county executive officer, it is almost equated to three wards. So, if we do that, then it means that a portion of this proposed legislation is going to contradict the Constitution in a substantive way.
On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Will I be in order to request you to ask the Mover to reply? What is being said is more or less a repetition.
Well, hon. Members, this is your Bill. You have the authority to decide how you want to build it. Mine, perhaps, is just to put it before you.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. In reply---
For the HANSARD, will you say that you have the authority of the Leader of the Majority Party to reply?
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. On behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party, I beg to reply. I want to thank all the Members who have contributed, particularly the last contributor, the Member for Bondo, who gave very insightful comments. To allay his fears, the Constitution says that the county executive committee should not exceed a third of the county assembly members. So, if you have a 30-member county assembly, then you should have an executive committee of not more than ten Members. If you have a county assembly of 60 members, then you should have an executive committee of not more than 20 members. The reason why this amendment is coming on the wards is because if the IEBC had set the wards to be about five in a constituency and you have a county with only two constituencies, then they will have ten county assembly members. The current Act provides for a minimum of 15. That is why the anomaly is being corrected to have the minimum as ten. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
All right. Thank you. I can see the Member for Suba is really agitated. I am sure she must have had so much to say about the Bill. But you will have something to say on a more stimulating subject like the
business which is there. So, Members let us go to the next Order.
On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.
The Chairperson on the Select Committee on Khat/Miraa.
On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.
I hear you but I choose to be quiet.
There is no quorum, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.
Order. You are not on the microphone. Order, Member for Suba. Until you have the microphone and until you are on the seat of the Speaker, you have no authority to control the House from where you sit. Next Order.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion:- THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Select Committee on investigation into matters relating to production and trading on Khat(Miraa), laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, December 5th, 2013. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, upon a Motion moved by the Chairperson of this Committee, our Select Committee was graciously formed by this honourable House. The membership of the Committee is indicated in the Report. It was a 29 member Committee. Before I proceed, let me acknowledge, on behalf of the Committee, the gratitude and the invaluable support that was accorded to the Committee by the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) and the office of the Clerk of the National Assembly towards ensuring that the Committee’s mandate was achieved. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, further, I wish to assure hon. Members that the observations and findings herein were unanimous and agreed upon by all the members of the Committee. Let me also thank the Committee members for their undivided loyalty to the Committee and the time that they spent in the course of ensuring that the Committee’s report was prepared and presented to this House on time. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
You are contributing. You are not responding as the Leader of the Majority Party. You are seconding as the Member for Garissa Town.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Mover is the producer and the Seconder is the consumer.
I do not consume miraa, per se. But in my contribution, I will use the word “ khat ”. Khat initially is a Somali word for miraa and you will see the history between the Merus and the Somalis. Historically, our bond for many years is this plant called miraa . Unfortunately, I am not seeing the consumers here. I can see three or four consumers that I can speak on their behalf because I am a proxy. I am tied between a rock and a hard place. Why do I say so? In my own constituency, the biggest support that I get is from the clergy. They abhor and advocate for the banning of miraa. But I have another serious section of my constituency that is composed of professionals, young men and women who trade in this business. Also, because I represent the biggest coalition in this The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. A.B. Duale, stay away from such---
I am trying to build my case because she is---
I hope we leave those things we say in the rallies, funerals and weddings. I also did that last week.
Yes, I am only speaking because miraa is so dear to hon. Kajuju and all of us. It is the same way sugar issues are very dear to hon. Ottichilo and hon. (Eng.) Gumbo. The camel is so dear to me and the community that rears it. If you see me defending the Somali community and you have issues with it, then you will have many days to have issues with me because, first and foremost, I will defend the Constitution, the Kenyan people and the community that gave me the votes. That is why you see the 11th Parliament is today discussing miraa . That is because it is in danger as an economic activity and as a crop. That is why you will see hon. Kubai seriously listening to me and I want to urge my colleagues: We will stand with the sugar-cane farmers, fishermen, camel keepers and pastoralists. Let us stand with hon. Kajuju and the Members of Parliament from the Meru community on the issue of
It must be a cash crop enacted in law. I beg to second. ( Applause )
Thank you, hon. Members. ( Question proposed ) Member for Rarieda, are you on a point of order?
On a point of order, hon. Speaker. I will be rising to second this Motion at a later date, being a beneficiary of this important crop. I rise on Standing Order No.97 to request that debate on this Motion be limited to 45 minutes with five minutes for each Member speaking. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Alright then. Do I have somebody seconding that? Who seconds it Member for Rarieda? All right. Member for Kitui Central, go ahead.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the proposal to have this Motion discussed for 45 minutes and Members contributions are reduced to five minutes. That is basically because we had discussed this issue of miraa in our earlier discussions. We debated seriously on this issue and the recommendations appear to me to be straightforward and quite good for this country. I second and support the proposal.
Okay, Member for Rarieda, because you own that Motion, have a look at Standing Orders No.97 (3). I know you have approached the Speaker and we have discussed, but I am looking at Standing Orders No.97 (3). How does it sit with your Motion? I am giving you time to look at page 56 of your Standing Orders. Alright, Member for Rarieda, have you looked at it? Speak to the microphone.
Yes, I have looked at it, but I was relying more on Standing Orders No.97 (1).
Is it your case that the Motion has been proposed, seconded but has not been debated? Do I hear you on the HANSARD to be contributing in terms of Standing Orders No.97 (3)? In what terms?
The Motion has been moved and seconded and hence the substance of my moving under Standing Orders No.97 (1).
Thank you, All right. Well, Members, this is again your Motion. The Speaker does nothing more than to put it to you to make a decision on it. It has been moved by the Member for Rarieda that this debate be limited to a period of 45 minutes and five minutes for each Member speaking. ( Question put and agreed to ) Hon. Members, I assume that the requests I have are all on this issue, but probably, you may have pressed your button earlier. Could you refresh it so that you allow other Members who may want to speak on this issue? Thank you. I can see some of you are releasing. This being the way forward, I can see the Member for Kitui Central. I recognize you because you are the Leader of the Minority Party.
Then, the Leader of the Minority Party, you may want to go ahead and sort it with the Secretariat because those instruments are stating you are the Member for Kitui Central. Next time go and sort it out. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
I will sort it out. Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I just want to take my usual fifteen minutes because the other Members will take five minutes each as we have agreed with hon. (Eng.) Gumbo. I just want to congratulate and thank hon. Kajuju and her Committee for the good work they have. They were committed to all the TOR’s that they were given. They have done a good job. There are two very important points I want to make on khat . The Select Committee did a good job and I want to quote what the World Health Organization (WHO) said. This is because it is the highest body in the whole world and its Committee of Experts gave recommendations and said--- The WHO experts Committee Report on drug dependence and its recommendation said”. This is what the WHO committee of experts said. “The Committee reviewed the data on khat and determined that the potential for abuse and dependence is low. The level of abuse and the threat to public health is not significant enough to warrant international control of khat .” Therefore, the Committee did not recommend rescheduling of khat as a bad substance. The body that has the highest authority and the researchers never considered
or miraa as a threat. There have been many reports from scientists, about the negative effects of
and this one concerning the health of human beings. They said that khat/miraa contains amfevitamins, noradrenalin which is chemical compounds also found in illegal drugs like cocaine. They also went ahead to say that the excessive consumption of
leads to cardio-vascular, gastro-intestinal and psychiatrist effects. Lastly, they said the negative social effects of khat are related to child labour, which has been exposed by the Committee, exposure to drug abuse, indiscipline in schools and poor academic performance. Let us face the facts. Khat is of immense economic importance to this country and, more so, the Merus, Embus and those who live in Central Province. Khat has employed numerous Kenyans in various capacities. If you go to my constituency, you will see vibandas and small kiosks that belong to people who make money through selling Khat . From the data we have, we know that between 2009 and 2011 the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics reported that miraa exports---
You have one more minute.
No! I have 15 minutes.
No! We have reduced the time. We have reduced your time to---
I am the Leader of the Minority Party or so they say. Hon. Kajuju---
You would rather address the Chair.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I have 15 minutes and all the Members have agreed. I can only reduce it to ten minutes.
Unfortunately, you have only one minute to go. Please, do not use it arguing. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, between 2009 and 2011, it is shown that miraa exports and domestic consumption was worth Kshs6.64 billion and Kshs8.27 billion, respectively. The contribution to the national economy is immense. When the UK and Netherlands banned khat, the lady who banned it, the right honorable Teresa May, Secretary, did it against the recommendation of the committee. Hon. Van Verse, a Member of Parliament in UK, noted that the ban on miraa will result in strained relations between Kenya and the UK. The Select Committee there recommended that miraa should not be banned in the UK, but Teresa May went ahead and banned it.
That is all the time we have for you this afternoon. Member for Igembe North. Remember you have five minutes only.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this Report. It is important to note that as, I stand here, I represent the largest number of miraa growers in this Republic. In my constituency, majority of the people depend on miraa. I am also a
grower and consumer. Those who have other ideas about miraa should know that all that is myth. If somebody else wants to try it, they can do it. So, all you know about
is myth; it is not the truth. I am also glad that I participated in this Committee. The problems facing the miraa farmers and growers have also been contributed by the Government of Kenya. This is because to a large extent---
Sorry, hon. Member. Did I hear you say that because of that, you can stand--- What did you say?
I said that I am happy that I participated in the Committee’s deliberations and from the Report, it is very clear that the Government of Kenya has never contributed anything in support of the miraa sub-sector, in order to understand the crop and even have a structured way of engagement. We met different departments, Ministries, and even research institutions of the Government. They are very few. To a large extent, that is how we have lost as a country. I can tell you for sure we have lost germ-plasm. In fact, I am afraid that even though miraa is condemned in this manner, somebody can still go and get the substance in miraa . That is because miraa has very many useful properties. Somebody could easily carry out research on miraa and patent the useful properties in miraa and take it away from us. So, we need to move fast. The people I represent – and that is why I cannot compromise on this matter - depend on miraa . Condemning miraa means condemning the people and their way of life. In my community, where miraa is predominant, miraa plays a very important role in most of the cultural activities. This Report presents findings and recommendations. The Government, therefore, needs to take a proactive role in terms of reaching out to other countries, especially those in the European Union (EU), who have come up with legislation against miraa . As you have heard, the Reports by those countries, especially the UK and Netherlands--- I was in the team that went to Netherlands. They do not have any scientific basis or anything serious that proves that miraa is a bad substance. It is because there has not been a proper case and that is why we appeal to the Government of Kenya to consider the miraa issue just like it considers the matter of insecurity in the country. If miraa is banned in parts of Nyambene, I assure you that insecurity will The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
You have less than 30 seconds to go.
Let the Government of Kenya take responsibility. Let the Government of Kenya defend our people. Let it do so in the same way it is doing with regard to tourism, insecurity and so on. The ban on miraa is a matter of security in Nyambene and Meru, where it is largely grown.
Member for Igembe Central, I am told that you neighbour to each other. So, we will take you in that order.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity to support this Motion on miraa . When I speak here, I do so with authority, having been brought up in a miraa growing zone. My constituency, Igembe Central, is one of the main producers of this product. We are debating issues affecting a crop which we strongly support. If anything is done that prevents the people of Nyambene or Meru from selling that crop, then we will be condemning the Amerus who have been living on it for centuries. The Meru community has known miraa for ages. Initially, it was used as a cultural crop. Even today, it is still used for engagements and it has now become an economic crop being sold across the world. If miraa is banned, the mainstay of our people will be affected. That is why I support this Report by the Committee to which I was a member. Miraa needs to be regulated like any other food that people consume when socializing, for example, beer. We have not had cases of miraa having adverse effects like those of alcoholic drinks. Therefore, I strongly believe and agree with our Report that, if miraa is regulated like beer and other stimulants which are consumed, the people of Meru will reap benefits from their crop. They will move in tandem with the current world. Therefore, I strongly support that miraa should be put in the Crops Act, so that the Government can support it. Lately, there has been a unilateral war by Members of Parliament. We have been fighting the war in the United Kingdom, which has gone ahead to ban the crop. We understand that by 24th June, 2014, we will not be talking any miraa there. This will affect the economic livelihood of our people. I do not know where we are going to take the youth who are selling miraa . We are going to condemn some of them to be idlers. Others will lose their jobs and there will be insecurity. We shall get thieves and others will even join the Al-Shabaab . The Government should wake up and help us in fighting for miraa . I do not want to go the distance that we have been told by the western world, when they said that choices have consequences. I am afraid they want to use miraa as one of the consequences. This is now condemning our country and we should rise up to the occasion. The Government should support us. The biggest challenge now is that if the UK bans miraa, it will also be banned in other places. The United Nations wants to put it The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
The Member for Makadara, five minutes.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion. First and foremost, I want to thank the Members who supported me when my name was floated, and it was unanimously agreed. First, I do not chew miraa and when I joined this Committee, I wanted to know what miraa is. I was very negative from the outset until we were indulged further and I learnt what was involved in miraa . The Committee made site visits to Meru and Embu. I wish to inform the Members of this House that some of the issues that we may take for granted, in some areas, they are matters of life and death. When we went to Meru, there was a big multitude of people and no political party has ever managed to get such huge numbers of people. When we interacted with them, most of them feared that miraa could be banned and yet, they have loans in banks. They wondered what would befall them. They also felt that they have been neglected because the Government has invested in a lot of research in other scheduled crops, but not in miraa . I wish to appeal to hon. Members to support miraa to be included in the scheduled crops, so that the Government may have the lee way of allocating research funds and also supporting farmers. We asked Ministries like Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries, Foreign Affairs, Commerce, Tourism and East African Region and Health to tell us what miraa is. The Chairperson was a bit diplomatic in her deliberations. But it is a pity that the reports that all those Ministries brought to the Committee were downloaded from the internet. So, basically, it means that we have no information regarding miraa in Kenya. It is really serious. This is part of the predicament why miraa was being banned. When we went to the Netherlands and we were discussing with officials from there, they said that even the Kenyan Government does not know what miraa is. They were very diplomatic and told us that when miraa was banned in the Netherlands, they had given the Kenyan Government some ultimatum, through the rules of engagement and diplomatic protocols, to give a proposal on what miraa is. They said that miraa is not chewed by their people, but they were a bit concerned. There was supposed to be a follow up on that report by the Ambassador, but she never bothered. Up to date, she has not even bothered. There was also a preliminary leeway and they are opening their doors in the next two years because they need to see the engagement of the Government to give them a proper write up indicating what miraa is. We engaged them and told them that miraa is a social crop here in Kenya. Communities, especially the Mbeere and the Merus, give
as tithes in churches. So, this is not a drug. We also gave them a lot of history and The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. In as much as I am sympathetic to the cries of the growers of miraa, especially in Embu and Meru regions, I rise to oppose. I want to confess that I have been a regular and loyal consumer of miraa for the last 19 years, until last weekend after reading this Report. I want to confirm to the House that there is nothing good in miraa except for those who trade in it and exploit the consumers. From the Floor of this House, having read this wonderful Report that only goes short of banning miraa, I want to reach out to the people of Wajir County, especially the youth who have been rendered delinquents. I take this opportunity to withdraw from the consumption of miraa and quit the habit, so that I can be an example. Before going into the impacts of miraa, I want to point out that the Report indicates that the Committee Members unanimously approved this Report. That is not true. Nine members of the Committee Members did not append their signatures to this Report. Another observation that I have made after going through this Report is that only three to four consumers were contacted. Majority of the people who have been interviewed are the traders and the growers of miraa. So, there is that outright bias on the outcome of this ad hoc Committee’s findings. The Report is very explicit. I like it in so many ways. In as much as the research on miraa is not conclusive, it has indicated that
contains two harmful substances, which are very potent, namely, c athine and c athinone. One thing that most Members of Parliament may not appreciate is that there are some chemicals that are very potent. Actually, it goes ahead to indicate that it is less potent than cocaine. That is to say that it is a harmful drug. It is something that can even be compared to cocaine, but the difference is the biomagnifications and bioaccumulation effects of long term use. It is such that it will be lethal overtime. So, in as much as every consequent use of miraa will, at least, accumulate those toxic and lethal substances, is sufficient to say that miraa is not a good thing and it is a drug. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, it is clear. Just before Independence and after Independence, our laws have been clear. They have banned miraa based on its negative effects. Miraa is not a cash crop neither is it a food crop. It is legal only in miraa producing countries. That is to tell you that it is not something acceptable globally. Except for Somalia, the rest of the miraa producing countries are the ones who trade on it. Those are Yemen, Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti. It is only Somalia that does not produce it. But it is in the league of the miraa business by being wholesome consumers. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the socio-economic and health impact of miraa cannot be exhausted here. The effects are grave. I just want to tell you one thing. The long term use of miraa can even reduce a professor in mathematics innumerate. That is the extent of its implications. It affects the nervous system. It is clear in this Report. The Report has, in all aspects, indicated that it is not a good thing. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.
No. Let this Member be heard in spite of the caustic comments that he may have in opposing the Bill.
Thank you for your protection, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I may happen to be the only consumer in the House. I have been a long term consumer. So, I seek your further protection. Truly speaking, miraa is carcinogenic.
Thank you very much. All right. Member for Seme, are you on a point of order?
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me an opportunity to deliberate on this. Let me start by congratulating the Chair and the team.
No. You are on a point of order.
Yes, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I am rising under Standing Order No.54 which regards making amendments to a Report.
I see! Do you have an amendment?
Yes, I have an amendment. But I would like to probably give a background to it.
No. Can you speak straight to your amendment first? Can you propose your amendment?
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I wish to propose an amendment to the Report on the recommendations which are in Chapter 4, specifically Recommendation No.8 which reads:- “The Government should commission an inter-ministerial and multi-stakeholder taskforce to address the legal barriers regarding the classification of khat derivatives as psychotropic substances.” Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I wish to amend this by deletion of the words “barrier” and “surrounding” and replacing that after the word “legal” with “and scientific basis for”. It will, therefore, read as follows:- “That the Government should commission an inter-ministerial and multi-stakeholder taskforce to address the legal and scientific basis for classification of
derivatives as psychotropic substances.” Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I now can prosecute it.
No. You can explain that amendment in one minute.
One minute will be too short.
No. Just that amendment! You will have time, of course, to debate the Motion.
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No. Now, you just want to inform and persuade Members why you think that, that recommendation should be amended. So, take about a minute or so.
I will take a minute. All the recommendations that have been given in the Report are sound, but they need to have a basis. The most important is scientific and legal basis. We cannot convince anybody in the world on what we need to do and the rationale for it unless we have a scientific and a legal basis for it. Therefore, this amendment is asking that, that be the basis upon which all other recommendations can be executed.
Do you have someone to second that amendment?
Yes. I have hon. Ottichilo.
Member for Emuhaya.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I want to second because science is very important and it is on science that we can make real very serious rational decisions. I beg to second.
Thank you very much. Members, under Standing Order No.54, I am now obligated to propose the amendment.
Should I put the Question? Member for Igembe North, do you have a problem with this?
No, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I agree with the amendment. It is important to come up with a scientific basis because what we gathered during our Committee meetings with various groups is that there is more myth surrounding miraa than reality. So, a scientific basis will assist.
All right. May I know if the Chair has been consulted on this and if so, does she concur?
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. The honourable Member has consulted me and I understand the amendment to mean that we are opening up the basis upon which research is going to be conducted in as far as miraa is concerned. As we said, there are no legal provisions which govern this industry, neither do we have any scientific research. So, I concur that the amendment can proceed. Thank you.
All right. Now, we want to debate the Motion as amended. Member for Seme, now that you are on your feet, I will give you five minutes to canvass your argument.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker and thank you for guiding the amendment process. I must congratulate the Chair and the Committee for The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Just a minute. Member for Marakwet East, are you on a point of order?
All right. Okay. Then hold it there.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, so, if you notice, a lot of information about miraa has not been confirmed. There seems to be doubts, both locally and internationally, that the work that has been done is not conclusive, and you can see that in the Report. If you look at the summary of findings, you find that in Summary No.2, there has not been scientific proof that khat/miraa is a drug. If you again look at Summary No.8, it says that khat has medicinal value. In scientific terms, that cannot be so. Once something has a scientific value, then in a way it is a drug. So, again, that just indicates that the work that is available is really not conclusive and, therefore, people are making decisions both here and internationally without adequate information. Further on, hon. Members will appreciate that all the recommendations are extremely good, and will be useful for stakeholders in the miraa sector. This is because anything that has medicinal value must have side effects. It is, therefore, a drug. Therefore, it is not that you cannot use it but there must be ways in which you can use it. Therefore, the recommendations take care of that aspect. I can tell this House that if you take enough water, you can actually have water intoxication and die. Therefore, once we know that it has some medicinal value, we have to go on those scientific bases. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I support the Report because the recommendations contained therein are good. The eighth recommendation – which has been amended – should be the basis for all other recommendations. The Government should actually put more money in the research on miraa . If we do not do that, some people will do so and discover some very important components and start selling them back to us, just like it happened to our pyrethrum, when they discovered pyrethrin. Pyrethrum just lost its market because they discovered an active ingredient and came up with synthetic pyrethrin. They can do the same and find the active ingredients in miraa and just start marketing it. Nobody will ever buy miraa again. We could have done this earlier, gotten the synthetic material, owned it and have rights on it. With those remarks, I beg to support.
Yes, Member for Nairobi County!
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Report. I would like to start by congratulating hon. (Ms.) Kajuju for the good work that she has done. The work that she has done has not been easy. It has been fraught with misunderstandings. People did not understand what the Select Committee was meant to achieve. What it was meant to achieve is what the hon. Member who has spoken before me has clearly articulated. The beginning of the whole agenda was whether or not miraa is a drug, and whether or not the people of Meru would suffer in the event that miraa is banned in the countries that have been importing the commodity. Unfortunately, that has The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Member for Marakwet East, you were on my list but you disappeared. You only have one minute, unfortunately. You will recall that the House had already resolved time for this Motion. So, unfortunately, you only have one minute.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Report. I want to congratulate my friend, hon. Kajuju for the good work that she has done. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Select Committee was formed on the basis of the Motion that was brought by hon. Kajuju. The basis was whether miraa is a drug. Looking at the recommendations of the Committee, it is clear that they went out of their mandate and found out that the miraa business is not conducted in a structured way, among other issues. In its Report, the Committee is not specific. The Committee was established on the basis of a Motion that we passed in this House – a Motion which came to this House as a result of some negative publication by the National Campaign Against Drug Abuse (NACADA), indicating that miraa was a drug. Therefore, we expected the Committee to tell us, from the research that they conducted, whether miraa is a drug or not. The Report does not contain anything like that. The mandate of the---
Hon. Members, unfortunately, we had allocated time for this Motion. The House had resolved. So, none of us has the authority to extend the time. Therefore, I hereby call upon the Mover to reply. Mover, again, note that we have reduced the time. So, note that the clock is ticking. You have five minutes.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, let me express my utmost gratitude to the membership of this House for the support that we have received on this Motion. We have seen persons who have consumed this produce for 19 years and yet, they are alive and in Parliament representing their people. So, when you talk about side effects, we cannot claim that there are any side effects affecting our people. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Thank you for the passion with which you have prosecuted your Motion. You may now resume your seat. I order that the question on this Motion appears in the next Order Paper.
Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON STATUS OF SAN MARCO SPACE APPLICATION CENTRE
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Allow me just two minutes to give a genesis of this report so that we can find the way forward. This report was prepared during the 10th Parliament. I am the one who raised the issue. And this ---
Well, we will give you enough time. You know you have all the time with you. But right now, just move the Motion before you then give the foundation of your report later. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
When I laid it again on the Table, the Speaker directed---
Well, you have to move the Motion so that it is before the House. Until you move it, whatever you are discussing is not in the Assembly. But when you move it, then now it is a Motion before the House. Please move it in conventional terms. I speak to you that way because you are a second time Member of Parliament. I know you know where we are going.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I beg to move:- THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Joint Committee on Energy, Communication and Information and Education, Research and Technology on the Status of the San Marco Space Application Center in Malindi, laid on the Table of the House on March 12, 2014.
Thank you so much. Now you have the opportunity on the Floor of the House to expand and persuade us and prosecute your Motion.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I re-tabled this Report because it was prepared in the Tenth Parliament. During the Tenth Parliament I raised the issue regarding this San Marco Space Application Centre. During that period, it was agreed that a joint committee be formed; a committee of energy, communication, information, education, research and technology to investigate the issues I had raised regarding this centre. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am happy to report that the Chairman of that Committee, who is none other than Eng. Rege, is here with us. Therefore, when I re-tabled this Report, the Speaker directed that when it comes to moving and giving details, we should allow the then Chairman of that Committee to do extensive work and get the details of moving the Report because he was the Chairman by then. Therefore, I am requesting, if you allow, the then substantive Chairman to give details about this report.
Well, thank you very much. I take it that you want it seconded, and you have nominated the hon. Member of Parliament for Karachuonyo to second the Motion.
Thank you very much. Hon. Member for Karachuonyo you can now second the Motion.
Hon. (Eng.) Rege, you know, therefore, that you have 30 minutes. The Mover had 60 minutes but you have 30 minutes as the Seconder.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I would like to second this Motion. It is my honour and pleasure to present to this House the Report that we investigated and concluded. On 18th April, 2012 on a Wednesday, hon. (Dr.) Otichillo asked an Ordinary Question to the Minister of State for Defence in the House, concerning the status of the San Marco Space Application Center in Malindi. In particular, hon. (Dr.) Otichillo wanted the Minister to explain:- (i) Under what conditions the Kenya Government entered into an agreement with the Government of Italy to establish the San Marco Space Application Center based in Malindi in 1964 and provide--- The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.
Even before hon. (Ms.) Shebesh rises, hon. (Eng) Rege, you are a seasoned member of the House and so, you can tell where that hon. Member is coming from. Please, do things which will make her be at peace.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I know hon. (Ms.) Shebesh wants to find out why I am reading. This Report was done in 2010 and it is very comprehensive. If I have to produce to this House the details, the data, frequencies and amount of money involved, there is no way I can do a good job unless you allow me to give the details.
You are allowed; you have all the time to do it except hon. (Ms.) Shebesh will be very harsh with you if you read the Report. She would rather you spoke from a point of knowledge and only refer to your papers to inform yourself.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I do not know why my colleague and friend is harsh on me. Nonetheless, I will provide the details as I know it and I will occasionally refer to the document. The Speaker at that time decided that the Joint Committee; that is the Committee on Energy and Communications and the one on Education. Science and Technology convene meetings to investigate this issue. At that time, we agreed to sit and those are the Members of the Committee. I have 30 minutes. Is that not so?
Which is ticking!
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the following were the hon. Members of the Committee:- Hon. David Koech, MP Hon. (Eng.) James Rege, MP Hon. Maina Kamau, MP
Hon. (Eng.) Rege, is this Report in possession of hon. Members?
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we have summarized it in details.
Can hon. Members access this report?
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we have given the summary.
Yes, the summary version. Do hon. Members have access to it?
Yes, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.
Let Members understand what this Motion is all about and some of the salient issues. I understand that veterans in the same community like the Member for Rarieda are itching to expand the information, but until you second it, very little can be done.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I would like to say that the Member for Rarieda is trying to cut me short because he wants to move his debate today. San Marco Space Center in Malindi was started in 1964. I am very glad to stand in front The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
You have some five minutes. Let me interact with you. What are the recommendations of the Report? I allow you to refresh your memory from the papers that you have.
I have the recommendations of the Report but if I have thirty minutes---
No! This is for the Speaker’s interest. Can you let me know the recommendations the Report is making? Do you have the Report with you?
Yes, hon. Speaker.
Yes! Please, just look at it. It is within my discretion to engage with you. So, just look at the recommendations and---
The recommendations of the Report are to have the Kenyan Government and Italian Government signs an agreement to continue monitoring those satellite launches. The Kenya Government to gain financial revenues that is coming from the launches and also to use that satellite space center for research for this country, instead of giving it to the Ministry of Defence as it was signed before. We recommend that, that station is assigned to the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology. Those are some of the conclusions that we made during that time.
Do you have another recommendation in the Report?
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I have other recommendations. They do not want me to read.
You have an opportunity to refresh your mind. It is within the Standing Orders to look at your reference papers to refresh yourselves and tell this House exactly where we are coming from. It is perfectly within your right to do so.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, do you want me to conclude and give recommendations now? I have everything in my head. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Well, proceed then.
I have been in this field for over 30 years, that is, satellite communications. The San Marco Station that is based in Malindi is a unique one. It could be used for many projects in this country. I have mentioned some of them. The future of nations in this world has got nothing to do with kinetic or sniper kind of attacks in resolving problems. The future is in digital, that is, the cyber war. If we use that satellite space centre, we could reap lots of information, data and use it as we wish. That satellite space centre could be used for monitoring or supplementing what we already have; the under-sea cable which docks in Mombasa. You have noticed that the problem we had with the under-sea cable in Asia---
Order, Member for Karachuonyo! Resume your seat. I want to thank you so much for the passion with which you have prosecuted this Motion. You have a balance of 17 minutes when this Motion comes up for hearing again. I order that this Motion appears on the Order Paper of tomorrow, Thursday, 5th June, 2014.
Hon. Members, it is now time to interrupt the business of the House. The House stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 5th June, 2014, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 6.30 p.m. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.