Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:- The Leadership and Integrity Regulations, 2014, pursuant to Section 54 of the Leadership and Integrity Act, 2012. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the National Cohesion and Integration Commission for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the Certificate of the Auditor-General therein. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the Kenya Broadcasting Corporation for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the Certificate of the Auditor-General therein. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the Lake Victoria North Water Service Board for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the Certificate of the Auditor-General therein. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of Karatina University for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the Certificate of the Auditor-General therein. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the Mount Elgon Lodge Limited for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the Certificate of the Auditor-General therein. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the Farmers Party for the year ended 30th June, 2012 and the Certificate of the Auditor-General therein. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the Party of Hope for the year ended 30th June, 2010 and the Certificate of the Auditor-General therein. Thank you, hon. Speaker.

Hon. Members, for those of you who may not be familiar with the number of political parties in the country, you need to visit the Office of the Registrar of Political Parties and know that the spiritual leader of the Party of Hope is one Paul Saul Pattni. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Members, even that aspect, with regard to the Paper that is going to be laid by hon. T.J. Kajwang’, there will be some adjustment to accommodate the same because it is a very important Paper relating to the operations of this House.

Hon. Members, today is a day for receiving responses to three Statement requests. We shall start with Statement No.108 of 2014, requested by the Member for Mandera South, the hon. M.A. Huka. The response is by hon. Asman Kamama, the Chair of the Committee on Administration and National Security; or his able tall Vice-Chairman, who is making his way into the Chamber – the hon. Lentoimaga. Leader of the Majority Party, could you give an indication as to where the Chair of the Administration and National Security could be, or his able Chair?

Hon. Speaker, there is a very hot matter on Safaricom Limited and the CCTV issue. They were dealing with the Cabinet Secretary but now that the Vice-Chair is in the House, he can respond to issues concerning his Committee. Hon. Lentoimaga is here.

I did not hear!

You will tell the Speaker that you did not here; not me.

Hon. Speaker, I apologise for coming late. We had a Committee meeting with the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and Coordination of National Government. So, I did not hear the question.

No! No! This time is for responses. There is a written response.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I have one response here.

Is it in relation to the request by hon. Huka?

No, hon. Speaker. It is in relation to a request by hon. Bernard Kitungi. That is the one I have. The rest are being held by the Chairman. Can I proceed with this one?

I have a copy of that response. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Speaker, can I borrow yours? Since we must proceed, you can lend me your copy.

Hon. Lentoimaga, read out the one you have with regard to the request by hon. Bernard Kitungi.

Hon. Speaker, the hon. Member has just approached me. He is requesting to withdraw this one. He has just been here.

Hon. Bernard Kitungi, can you make your position known?

Hon. Speaker, after getting the response for my Statement request, I found that it was a very sensitive matter affecting my constituency and decided to make some more consultations. That is why I have decided to have it suspended for a while.

What did you say? Did you say that you want to consult further?

Hon. Speaker, I want to consult my constituents.

Very well. That is okay. Many of the Members who may be complaining are not even aware of what the request was. The request relates to poor facilities and living conditions of officers based at Migwani Police Station. It may well be that this response satisfies the hon. Member. Since none of you represents Migwani Police Station, you may raise other issues that may be extraneous to Migwani Police Station.

But we are Members of the National Assembly!

You may be Members of the National Assembly but not all of you represent Migwani Police Station. The hon. Member is at liberty to withdraw his request. He can withdraw his request. It is in written form. He has been given permission to do so. I want somebody to correct the number of the requests on the Order Paper. Obviously, there is something wrong. The first request by hon. Huka is listed as No.108 of 2014 and the third one by hon. Christopher Nakuleu is also shown as request No.108 of 2014. One of them is not correct. Hon. Kamama is now in the Chamber. Could you respond to the first request?

Hon. Members, you are unlikely add value to what hon. Kamama is going to say, until you give him a chance to say what he has to say. Proceed, hon. Kamama. ESTABLISHMENT OF BIRTHS AND DEATHS REGISTRATION CENTRES

Hon. Speaker, on 19th February, 2014, the Member of Parliament for Mandera South Constituency, hon. M.A. Huka, requested for a Statement regarding the opening of births and deaths registration office at Mandera Central District. The hon. Member is concerned that lack of officers for registration of births and deaths in the sub-county has hampered service delivery in the area thus inconveniencing members of the public. The hon. Member sought to be informed on the following:- The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Yes, hon. Huka! The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Speaker, I am surprised by the kind of response that has presented to the Chair by the Cabinet Secretary. What came out clearly from this response is the old type of rhetoric of saying that the Government will provide services when funds become available. The only commitment made towards the end of the response is that the services sought will be availed when the issue of personnel is conclusively addressed. However, there is no element of time-frame. Secondly, it is not true that Mandera Central is new. The district is over seven years old. Thirdly, the fact that services are not being provided in other sub-counties is not an answer to my question. I did not ask how many counties are not being given the same services. I asked specifically about Mandera Central. Therefore, the fact that other areas are not being given the services is not a sufficient answer to my question. Hon. Speaker, it is surprising to observe that the Government has not provided enough services to its citizens. 107 out of 289 sub-counties, according to this response, is less than a half of the number of civil registries in the sub-counties. Is this, therefore, an indication that the Government is not doing its work of registering its citizens?

Hon. Aburi, you are casually strolling around and not even allowing the rest of the Members to hear what hon. Huka is saying. You are not being fair to him.

My apology, hon. Speaker!

Very well!

Thank you hon. Speaker for assisting me so that I can be heard loud and clear. Mandera Town, where services are said to be offered, is 230 kilometers away from Mandera Central District Headquarters, which is in Elwak Town. For somebody to go for 230 kilometers to seek for Government services and for a Cabinet Secretary to say that they are not able to provide those services, is actually admitting failure by the Government. I wish the Chair would have invited me during their sitting so that we can take the Cabinet Secretary to task. Admitting that they are not able to do that and that the offices in the country are only 107 out of 209, and that they are under-staffed, is actually an indication that services are poor even in the areas that they are providing them. I wish to respond in relation to the kind of generalization that is given in the sense that, under what is referred to as the fallacy of generalization---

Hon. Huka, among some of our rules is that, a question shall not be an excuse for debate. Now, you have spoken over and over and debated as well. You have said how many kilometers Mandera Town is from the sub-county. I do not even know whether hon. Abongotum, in responding to you, will also engage in another lengthy debate. You should be seeking interventions. You started off very well; you have gone into a discourse that surely--- Unless you wanted to be heard by your people. Of course this is exhibition hour, but there must be a limit to how much you must exhibit, because your colleagues also need to exhibit too.

Thank you hon. Speaker, I stand guided but the clarification I want to come to now is: There is no timeframe of when it will be done. We would like the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Abongotum, are you in a position to say when it will be done in hon. Huka’s constituency, particularly?

Hon. Speaker, the Statement requested by the hon. Member is valid, I have worked in North Eastern and I know the distances are quite scaring. On the issue of time-frame, I want to confirm to the hon. Member that as a Committee, we requested for funds from the Budget and Appropriations Committee. The Director of Civil Registration requested for funds so that they can actually post officers to those other places. I have not confirmed from the Director of Budget whether they have been given money from the Committee on Budget and Appropriations. If money is allocated to this Department, I want to assure the hon. Member that we will advice the Cabinet Secretary concerned to fast-track so that the people of that constituency can be accorded the services. On the other sub-counties, I think this is a nationwide problem and we will try as a Committee to ensure that we push the Cabinet Secretary so that officers can be posted to all sub-counties in this country. I thank you, hon. Speaker.

Hon Huka.

Thank you hon. Speaker. I would like to make a comment in Kiswahili to put it in perspective. What he has said, simply put in Kiswahili is: “Kufa kwa wengi ni harusi.” It means that since we are all into it; let me wait together with others.

There are a lot of consultations. Hon. Shill, you wanted to seek a clarification on this.

Hon. Speaker, really, it is not that hon. Huka wanted to be seen. There are a lot of frustrations. The other day, we said we must look for a mechanism where the Cabinet Secretary directly engages with us. Is it really in order for the Chairman of the Committee to always come with scanty information? Mandera is at the border and you cannot see the difference between Bulahawa and Mandera which is in Somalia and Kenya, respectively. They have become one town. At night, it is being controlled by AlShabaab and during daytime, it is being controlled by the Kenyan Government. Therefore, there are a lot of frustrations. Many questions on security are being asked and the Chair always comes without verifying some of those things properly.

Let me say that, obviously, what hon. Abongotum has is signed by the Cabinet Secretary in the Ministry of Interior and Coordination of National Government. It is not of his own making. We can ask him this or that. It is perfectly in order for him to bring his Statement, because you sought for it. He was not to travel to those towns where you are talking of Al Shabaab and other places. He presented it to the Cabinet Secretary. What he is reading is what has come. This is just to show the futility of this system. If you castigate the Chairman, what was he expected to do? Was he expected to carry the Cabinet Secretary on his back knowing that the Cabinet Secretary is a stranger here? We will not allow him to even carry him on his back to come and respond appropriately. I think it is Parliament which needs to address this issue. We are trying frog a dead horse. Hon. Serem, you appear to--- The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Yes, I am slightly agitated hon. Speaker. Hon. Shill has made a very serious allegation, that our country is being controlled by Al Shabaab. Can he prove the same? That is very serious.

We are going to get into salient issues. Let me get hon. Eseli to raise his point of order.

Listening to the Chairman of the Committee in charge of Security, I was rather disturbed as to whether he interviewed the Cabinet Secretary or if the Cabinet Secretary has come to the realization that registration of persons is a very serious security matter. When we go ahead to hear that this problem is happening throughout the country and yet, the country right now is facing a serious problem of insecurity and terrorism, it is surprising that the Cabinet Secretary would come before hon. Abongotum’s Committee and still talk about waiting for funds. I think in a situation like that, we are not taking our responsibilities seriously. I would have expected the Chair to put the Cabinet Secretary to task because this is where security starts. This is the beginning of security measures. If the Cabinet Secretary could not put the actual weight on the matter, then it is not good to tell us that we are waiting to see whether in the budget, it will be allocated or not. I would request that the Committee revisits the matter with the Cabinet Secretary, to ensure that he is actually aware that this exercise of registration of persons is where security starts.

I would agree with you hon. Eseli, but given his response that there are only 107 sub-counties that have been addressed out of 289 and given the significance of civil registration, the Committee on Administration and National Security should revisit the issue with the Cabinet Secretary responsibly so that we address the issue wholistically, not just with regard to Mandera County or Mandera South Constituency, but wholistically, dealing with the entire country and seeking measures on how you are going address the problem in the other areas where it is not happening. Hon. Abongotum.

Hon. Speaker, I agree with you entirely. We will revisit this matter. Actually, we will even write a letter to the Cabinet Secretary (CS) to post officers to 182 sub-counties. I know they will talk about funds, but we will do our best to ensure that this is done. We will have chiefs and assistant chiefs in all places, be it in the ASAL areas or Suguta Valley. There will also be registration officers together with clerks in the dispensaries. They can do this. They can supplement. We will, however, take your instructions and revisit this matter so that the civil registration officers are posted to 182 sub-counties.

Very well. So, the matter is accordingly referred back to the Committee and as many Members as possible should appear before it. Hon. Kamama, notify Members when it is that you are inviting the CS so that they can come and canvass the matter there. There is a Statement that was sought by the Member for Turkana North, hon. Christopher Nakuleu. Hon. Kamama, once again, it is you.

Hon. Speaker, it will be handled by able Deputy Chairperson, hon. Lentoimaga. ATTACK OF HERDSMEN IN KIBISH The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. On 12th March, 2014 the Member of Parliament for Turkana North, hon. Nakuleu Christopher requested for a Statement regarding constant and systematic attacks of Turkana herdsmen residing in Nadapal and Akarash locations of Kibish District. The hon. Member informed the House that in the recent past, Kenya has been losing ten people in a month on average as a result of external aggression by South Sudan nationals.

Hon. Speaker, there are loud consultations coming from my left side. The consultations are so loud to the extent that--- Hon. Sakaja!

The land currently occupied by the Turkana Community may be taken over by the neighbouring nationals. The Member of Parliament particularly sought to be informed on the following:-

Hon. Speaker, I wish to thank the Deputy Chairperson for his response. There are a number of issues which I would wish he clarifies because I feel they are not well addressed. First, Naurikitoe is not in Kibish District; it is in Turkana North District. I limited my question to Nadapal and Karachi specifically in Kibish District. Where the CS lifted Naurikitoe shows that he is not in touch with what happened. It also indicates that the answer he is giving is not correct. The area he is referring to as Naurikitoe is in another district. Therefore, that invalidates the whole Statement. Hon. Speaker, with your intervention, I would with that the CS, through the Chairperson, addresses the question as asked and not framing his own question.

Hon. Members, you cannot crackle like that! You are in the National Assembly Chamber. It is not fair, however, much you may have been tickled.

Thank you, hon. Speaker for that intervention. In his response, the Deputy Chairperson has gone ahead to say that the Government is not intending to foot the medical bills and burial costs for the people who lost their lives. According to me, that statement is in extremely bad faith since this Government has been footing bills for people, for example, bomb blasts victims, illicit brew drinkers and even those who have died in accidents. Those people are also Kenyans and security is a fundamental right of every Kenyan that the Government should guarantee. The Government position about footing the bills must be reconsidered since the Government cannot operate in selective amnesia to treat some Kenyans as lesser Kenyans and others as more Kenyans. If you are to apply a principle or a law, it must crosscut and bring every Kenyan on board.

What is your clarification?

The clarification is: Why is the Government saying that it is not able to foot the bills?

The hon. Lentoimaga is not the Government. He is a Member of Parliament like yourself! You see he has just read something from---

Hon. Speaker, I wish that you get me right.

You cannot speak forever. You are asking him to explain why the Government cannot foot the bill?

It is in the Statement, which I know originated from the Cabinet Secretary (CS). But he has brought it to the Floor of this House.

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Yes! And, therefore, if they have to ask the Government, I have to ask through him.

Hon. Lentoimaga wants to respond as to why that cannot be done.

So, hon. Speaker. The other issue which could be the last---

Hon. Lentoimaga, respond.

Hon. Speaker, I think my colleague has a valid point because, having worked in his area, I know that the Turkana community is perpetually attacked by foreigners, especially the Toposas that he was talking about. In my view, this Statement about medicals bills, maybe, should be referred back again to the CS. That is because this is an external aggression against our people and it has been continuous as far back as 1991. So, maybe, the hon. Member may again revisit the issue through the Committee. We should ask the CS to come back and make more clarifications. On the issue concerning Nangurekitoe area, I think that question should also be revisited. If they answered wrongly, the answer is wrong. We should go back to the question and they should answer according to how they were asked. Thank you.

Let me know guide you now as the Chair. If you receive a response from a CS - and it appears that hon. Lentoimaga is agreeing with hon. Nakuleu that, the response is inadequate or insufficient or incorrect - then all you needed to do is just call the hon. Nakuleu, tell him: “Look at this. We do not believe it ourselves. Can we postpone the making of the response to another date until we have summoned the CS before our Committee, for you to come and prosecute the matter there?” Of what use is the Chair of the Committee to come and read a Statement that he believes is not even correct. Hon. Lentoimaga even says he has worked in Turkana County. As he was reading the Statement, he knew it was not correct. It is not fair. Hon. Lentoimaga, you should have just told hon. Nakuleu: We have received inadequate information from the CS and you actually do not believe in it yourself. If the hon. Nakuleu confirms that he also does not believe in anything that is said there, then you agree with him as the Member seeking the request, so that the people on whose behalf he is speaking for know that, indeed, he is pursuing the matter to some logical conclusion. Instead of engaging in further altercation here, I will direct that hon. Lentoimaga revisits this matter and summon the CS. Let the hon. Nakuleu be summoned to appear alongside the CS. And because I know the Committees are quite large, I have encouraged Committees from time to time to split themselves into sub-committees. It may make the work a lot easier because you have a lot of requests. I sympathize with the amount of workload by way of requests for Statements that are placed on your Committees. I am not surprised that you do not have time to deal with other very pressing matters which you deal with them till late in the night from time to time. The best you can do is to summon the CS, invite the hon. Members that have sought Statements so that the response you get will, at least, satisfy them to some reasonable extent. So, revisit the matter, invite both the CS and hon. Nakuleu. Is that okay, hon. Nakuleu? I do appreciate that people make interventions here, but not until we hear from hon. Nakuleu.

Hon. Speaker, I will go by your advice.

What is the point of order from the hon. Raphael Letimalo? The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Speaker, I do understand that the Statement has been differed to enable the questioner, the CS and the Committee to prosecute it further. My concern is that, from the Statement read by the Chair, it is established that those raids are carried out by Toposas of South Sudan. I was just wondering why we should ask the Government to put up security camps and yet, those raids are carried out by external forces. What is the Government doing to minimize those kinds of attacks? I do not think it is actually sufficient just to put up security camps. Is the Government making any effort either by organizing joint security meetings, so that security personnel from both sides will be able to prevail upon their people to stop those kinds of atrocities?

Well, hon. Letimalo. I appreciate that you have undergone some very traumatizing experiences recently of gang attacks. You began by saying that the matter has been referred back to the Committee to call the CS. You went on to ask what the Government is doing. I can tell you from where I sit without fear of contradiction that, I cannot respond to that because I do not hold brief for the Government. The matter has already been referred back to the Committee. The question you have asked will only get a response from the Government and, since I do not see it there, it is unlikely that the question will get any response. What you have said is a matter that needs to be considered when the Committee is listening to the CS. There was a point of order from hon. Simba Arati.

Hon. Speaker. I do not know whether hon. Letimalo can get a satisfactory answer from the Vice-Chair, who happens to border him in terms of constituencies.

Are you still on this point? That matter is over now. It has been referred back to the Committee.

That is why I stood on a point of order

If it is about that, the matter has been put to rest, please. There is nothing. Who wants to know about who borders who in the constituency? But the matter has already been referred back to the Committee. If you like, you can also go and participate. Hon. Abass.

On a point of order, hon. Speaker. I rise regarding a Statement I requested on Tuesday afternoon, which you directed and the Leader of the Majority Party did undertake that the answer would be here on Thursday, concerning the arrest and disappearance of Abdifatar Odow Aden by the Kenya Police. This is a serious issue. The family and all of us are worried and because of that, I thought the answer would be here this afternoon.

The Leader of the Majority Party.

Yes, hon. Speaker, you gave that direction and the matter is very serious. But I have consulted with the security apparatus, the Cabinet Secretary (CS) and Inspector-General (I-G) and today, they were very busy with a Parliamentary Committee. With your indulgence, I want to bring that answer on Tuesday, the first thing once we resume, so that they tell the country the whereabouts of a Kenyan who disappeared two weeks ago.

Tuesday?

Fair enough, hon. Speaker.

Next! Hon. Chepkong’a. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

On a point of order, hon. Speaker. I rise to move a Procedural Motion pursuant to Standing Orders No.234(1), in which I am seeking the indulgence of the House for the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs to be given additional 30 days to investigate the matter of the removal of the Chairperson and Members of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC). The reasons why we are seeking for additional time are two-fold. First, this is a matter that is exercising the minds of Kenyans and we need to deliberate it in a very exhaustive manner. Secondly, in the interest of natural justice of giving hearing to all the parties, we have drawn our timetable today as a Committee and it takes us through to July. So, we are requesting for the 30 days to enable us exhaust all the issues that need to be looked into by the Committee. We intend to invite members of IEBC and the Petitioner. We have also advertised in the media, inviting memoranda from members of the public who wish to participate in this process, which will conclude next week on Friday, 13th June, 2014. If you look at the time within which we are supposed to conclude this matter, that is 14 days as communicated in your communiqué, it is not feasible and cannot be done within that period. Otherwise, we will end up producing a very shoddy report and we know this House is very concerned about what needs to be done in a very exhaustive manner. I see when I turn my eyes towards the other side, hon. Mbadi nodding in approval that indeed this--- By mentioning him, that does not require a point of order. I am on a point of order, hon. Speaker. We are seeking the indulgence of this House. It was unanimously agreed in the Committee that we seek this period to conclude this matter. I would like to ask hon. Waiganjo to second.

Hon. Chepkong’a, could you indicate also, the additional 30 days, are they from the date when the Petition was read out, which is on 3rd June, 2014, is it from today or are the additional 30 days are over and above the 14 days given? You need to clarify that.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. What we are seeking as a Committee is additional 30 days in addition to the 14 days which we had already been given. That gives us about 44 days. This is a matter of national importance. When we discussed in the Committee, some members felt that we should do public hearings, possibly by clustering the counties, so that we can hear what the people are saying. It cannot be localized in Nairobi and we say that we have done public hearing to the satisfaction of Kenyans. So, we are saying it is important that we hear all Kenyans and what they have to say, so that we can include it in our report and have a conclusive report that is satisfactory to everybody. Again, as I said, this is a matter that has been discussed in many forums and it needs to be brought to some fore-closure, one way or the other. We are not pre-judging the outcome of this particular investigation. We are saying we should be given adequate time and as it is known, this Committee is seized with very many Bills. We have the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Waiganjo.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. I know Members of this House know that the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee is their agent and that the issue of IEBC, as the able Chairman has said, is one of national importance. It is actually one of the issues that our friends in CORD have indicated they wish to indulge in some dialogue. IEBC is a constitutional Commission and we really need to get the public views on its disbandment or otherwise. So, it is true that the Committee has deliberated on this issue and has found that we do not have sufficient time to go through all what is required and, particularly, the Petition and other public hearing fora. So, we urge the membership of this House to allow this Procedural Motion, so that the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee will bring to this House a report that will stand the scrutiny of time and one that will be acceptable across the divide. We want to do a good job, be above board, honest and forthright. With those few remarks, I second. Thank you, hon. Speaker.

Hon. Members, who are stirring around in the Chamber, including those who may be very thirsty. ( Laughter ) ( Question put and agreed to ) The Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs has an additional 30 days over and above the 14 days allocated to them and, indeed, as the Chairman has ably stated, strive to get as many Kenyans as possible to give their views. It is not possible to hear every Kenyan, of course, but to get a sufficiently representative sample to justify public participation. Hon. Duale, the Leader of the Majority Party. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING 10TH JUNE, 2014

Thank you, hon. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order No.44(2) (a), on behalf of the House Business Committee (HBC), I rise to give the following Statement regarding the business appearing before the House the week beginning Tuesday 10th, June 2014. Hon. Speaker, as usual, the HBC met on Tuesday this week at the rise of the House to give priority of business. The HBC has, therefore, lined up heavy and crucial business. Having resumed from a month’s recess, Members are now re-energised and ready for the business at hand. The House resumed debate on the Victim Protection Bill, 2013 and the Second Reading for the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill, Bill No.2 of 2013, the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

I think it is important that all those concerned appreciate that the National Assembly has all along been ready and willing to consider those Bills that have got constitutional timelines, but it has taken this long, including but not limited to, the Bill proposed by the hon. Millie Odhiambo who appears to have shifted base. The hon. T.J. Kajwang’.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House:- Report of the Procedure and House Rules Committee on review of Standing Order No.44 (Statements) and Actualisation of Provisions of Article 153, Constitution of Kenya.

Proceed.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order No.262, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, this House adopts the Report on the Procedure and House Rules Committee on review of Standing Order No.44 (Statements) and Actualization of provisions of Article 153 of the Constitution of Kenya.

Very well. Hon. Members, I think it is important that we seize copies of that Report so that when debate on it commences, the whole House is in tandem with regard to the proposals contained therein. Hon. Gumbo, the floor is yours.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. I want to thank the Leader of the Majority Party for the Statement and the business coming before the House next week. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

I am not seeing hon. Gumbo because hon. Keynan is standing on my way.

A number of us observed that the welfare of Members should be a concern to us both when we are alive and when we are gone. I am saying this because there are quite a number of our former colleagues in this House who are going through a lot of difficulties and whose cases have been brought to this House. It appears that the action necessary by this House is taking a bit long. I have in mind the plight of hon. Otieno Mak’Onyango, the former MP for Alego-Usonga. If I am not wrong, his case is before this House. This gentleman is suffering bitterly. He was given a court award and the matter is before the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Actually, at the moment, as we speak, he is ailing and living in a construction site. Hon. Speaker, I would like to request, through you, and the Leader of the Majority Party that, if there is a way this House can help former Members of this House – a hon. Member who can hardly get a meal a day, to get one, it will be very good. It is really a very sorry state. I request, through you, if this House can help this hon. Members who served this country in that capacity. If we do that, I think this House will be demonstrating that we care about our colleagues, both when they are alive and when they have left us. I beg your indulgence.

Well, that is an important matter hon. Eng. Gumbo. But I think a better forum is that we need a Speaker’s Kamukunji so that we can look into other matters as well as address that matter and other issues of that nature. That is well spoken.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. It is not just hon. Mak’ Onyango alone. The other day, I meet the hon. Kalulu, who was also an hon. Member of this House. I think this House must address itself to the plight of former hon. Members of this House. It looks bad when people who have served this country in the distinguished capacity to go through that kind of suffering and this House appears helpless to save them.

Hon. Members, with some of the matters – if you start going that route, you may not know at which level some of the matters are being considered. I have seen now you are going to veer off. That is why I think a Kamukunji is a better place for that issue because some of the matters you are raising are already before the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC). Some of them are actually being addressed by the Court of Appeal. Therefore, it is important that a Kamukunji is held. We should be able to address them without the constraints of rules and procedures of the House. Hon. Members, there is no Motion before the House. The House cannot just allow you to say this and that, when one hon. Member wants to say this, the next thing we are going to be told is that there is something happening in a place called Lamu Lamweti. It is only hon. John Serut who would know where that place is. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Order hon. Members! Leader of Minority and hon. Kisoi Munyao, you should be freezing and not shaking hands! Hon. Munyao, if you are seen doing what you are doing, you may forfeit your right to sit in this House for the rest of the day. But for now, remain frozen.

Hon. Members, the House had concluded the debate on this Bill. What remained is just to put and question, which I am going to do now.

Hon. Members, I will put the Question.

Hon. Ngong’o, you are out of order! I am putting the Question!

Is hon. Ngong’o standing up to call for a Division? Next Order! ADOPTION OF REPORT ON ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE

Hon. Speaker, I thank you. I beg to move:- THAT, this House adopts the Budget and Appropriations Committee’s Report on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Financial Year 2015, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 4th June, 2014. Over the last three years and since the promulgation of the Constitution---

May I understand so that the HANSARD record is correct, that you are moving this Motion, but in an amended form.

There will be an amendment eventually; a small one.

But once you have spoken and you are the Chair of the Committee, I thought you needed to move it with your proposed amendments so that even hon. Members contributing can contribute on the basis of the Motion as amended by yourself.

Hon. Speaker, I was going to include the amendment in the body of my speech.

But you see the Motion; if you look at Standing Order No.48, it ought to be included. That was the understanding.

Hon. Speaker, I am happy to move the amendment now and I beg to do so. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

There is a point of order raised by hon. Shill

Hon. Speaker, I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.235 Section 6, which reads:- The House shall, on a Motion, that “this House adopts the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on a the Budget Estimates for the National Government, the Judiciary and Parliament tabled in the House on….” Consider the Report and adopt it with or without amendments. We the Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations are at pains. We deliberated this morning---

Hon. Shill, I will advise that you wait for the Mover to move and he be seconded. Once the question has been proposed is when you can raise the point you want to raise. I can assure you, I do not need to look at the---, I thought you were putting something strange. This one I do not even need to check anywhere. I can assure you I will address you from where I sit. Hon. Musyimi, proceed.

I thank you hon. Speaker. In line with the principle of public participation, as I said, my Committee engaged the citizens with regard to priorities and the programmes of this Government. We have acceded to the discourse and so, to ensure that the demands made for transparency, accountability, responsibilities and effectiveness are entrenched within the budget-making process and outcomes, it is our expectation that all the stakeholders will adhere to those principals and secure the hope of our people and the vision of our development agenda. We particularly call upon our county governments to consider the proposals here in and customize the recommendations made for the betterment of our society and the development of our nation. We are today considering this Budget which has moved from Ksh1.769 trillion to Ksh1.780 trillion if my amendment is adopted, and that is based on the scrutiny and the review of the requirements of the various ministries, while taking into account the needs of the public and critical issues. The Budget and Appropriations Committee expects that the differences between what we anticipated in terms of revenue collection and the budget itself, and what we can collect from outside via loans and grants, will be financed by cost saving, increased efficiency of collection of resources and administrative measures. Hon. Speaker, my Committee, therefore, requests this House to resolve as follows:- That this House adopts this Report. That the proposed amendment to the proposed 2014/2015 Budget as contained in this Report be adopted and that Schedule I and Schedule II attached to this Report becomes the basis for the appropriations for 2014/2015 Budget. Hon. Speaker, with much appreciation, I beg to move and request my distinguished Vice-Chairperson, hon. Mary Emase, to second the Motion. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. First and foremost, I want to appreciate the Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee under the leadership of hon. Mutava Musyimi for their dedication and commitment. We had to sacrifice all other responsibilities and work tirelessly to ensure that we conclude the budget process within the timelines. I also want to commend all other Departmental Committees for the good work they did. In particular, I want to single out the Departmental Committee on Finance and Planning which was able to generate a total of Kshs5.71billion which was later reallocated within the sectors to more needy departments like tourism, CDF and other areas. In reallocating the resources as earlier alluded to by the Chairperson, we were guided by the needs of Kenyans and the commitment of this nation towards achieving Vision 2030; aligning our goals to the Constitution and also conforming to the Jubilee Manifesto. I would like to comment on several sectors as far as the reallocations are concerned. I would like to start with the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology. Hon. Members from where we sit, you will agree with me that the education sector is very critical as far as the development of this nation is concerned. We all understand the deplorable condition of infrastructure in most of our primary and secondary schools. It is in that respect that the Budget and Appropriations Committee recommended the enhancement of the CDF. Most of the enhancements are going to improve the infrastructure in schools. You will recall that in the Budget Policy Statement (BPS), this House resolved that the figure for CDF would be enhanced to Kshs35 billion. However, in the Estimates that we received, this figure had been reduced to Kshs27 billion. Hon. Members, I would urge all of you to support the position that this Committee has renegotiated with National Treasury because we managed to enhance the figure for CDF to Kshs33 billion. There is also an additional Kshs243 million which had been allocated earlier to the Department of Education for purposes of improving infrastructure, which we felt it is better included in the CDF allocation because when you look at the kind of development that the CDF has done, you will agree with me that they are tangible. The development range from educational to health in terms of clinics and dispensaries. The security roads that have been constructed and the provision of water is a confirmation that CDF has done a lot as far as development is concerned. Hon. Members, when you look at the budget for the Ministry of Health, there is a recommendation that has been made by the Senate, and that is contrary to the Resolution of this House with regard to the recommendation by the Budget and Appropriations Committee on a conditional allocation to the tune of Kshs3.74 billion that was ring-fenced and meant to go towards improving Level 5 hospitals. You will realize that now we have a stalemate. They are recommending that the national Government should set aside additional resources from the Kshs799.65 billion which is the national share of the budget towards improvement of the Level 5 hospitals. Our position as the Budget and Appropriations Committee is that those resources must come from the county allocation because that was our recommendation. We are over-stretched and we may not be able to get those resources from the national Government allocation. On the issue of security, this House resolved to give the security sector a total of Kshs15.44 billion. We, again, noticed several deviations from the Budget Policy The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also want to take this opportunity to congratulate the Committee of which I am also a member for working very hard. I remember we were told that the Speaker allowed us to have five sittings to produce this The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. I want to join my colleagues in congratulating the Budget and Appropriations Committee for the great work that they have done on this Budget. I would also like to congratulate our Budget Office. The Executive keeps telling us that they have moved to a programme-based Budget and yet we see a lot of signs of incremental budgeting and it is only our Budget Office that has been very keen at pointing out this. We noted that in cases where new programmes have been introduced, the Treasury had problems jumping from probably Kshs10 million to Kshs100 billion in one line and we are able to deal with that. I think some of the hangovers of incremental budgeting need to be addressed. Hon. Speaker, I am very pleased with the fact that whereas in the last Budget we were still grappling with transition, in this Budget we have actually been able to put the Executive on check and they were able to make very good recommendations that are answering issues that affect Kenyans. Hon. Speaker, as the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Environment and Natural Resources I am under immense pressure to declare poaching a national disaster but being a person from that area of conservation, I know that declaring poaching a national disaster would not translate into reduction in poaching much as I really feel for the fact that we are really loosing much of our national heritage. It is with that in mind that our Committee reduced the budget for non-essential development activities and gave funding for recruitment of rangers so that we deal with this matter where it matters most. We were able to raise Kshs500 million in terms of reduction and I am very happy that the Budget and Appropriations Committee added for us Kshs250 million for purposes of recruiting 500 rangers. The poaching problem is a security problem similar to the issue of terrorism and we would only be able to fight it by giving it funding, which is why I am extremely happy that the Budget and Appropriations Committee has declined the proposal from the Departmental Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations to reduce funding to the National Intelligence Service (NIS).

Hon. Speaker, I want to raise an issue that is really one that we need to deal with because the Executive seems to get excited about new projects and does not give attention to existing projects. I want to tell the Executive that the more they neglect old projects the more we worry about premeditated corruption in their offices. So, hon. Speaker, I want us to urge the Executive and give them a final warning that they are themselves the authors of a circular that states that pending bills should be the first charge before new projects. We will not in future tolerate new projects if they have not paid for their pending bills. I want to urge the Departmental Committee on Finance, Planning and Trade to investigate the Pending Bills Committee. It is important that when The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me this chance. I want to join my colleagues to congratulate hon. (Rev.) (Dr.) Musyimi; the President who was shy of accepting the throne. This Committee has done a good job considering that it is a Committee of 50 plus hon. Members. They visited nine counties; including Kitui County, my county, when they were constrained with time and so forth. They came up with this very balanced budget. I want to commend them because they did a diligent job. However, I noticed a small error in Minute 122, 2014, which quoted Kshs826 billion as the reduction in the Judiciary Budget. I think the Committee meant Kshs826 million, not billion. Such small errors can lead to the media misreporting and this should be avoided in future. Let me thank the Parliamentary Budget Office under Madam Phyllis Makau. She did a good job supporting this Committee within a short time. A total budget of Kshs1.769 trillion has been increased by this Committee to Kshs1.779 trillion. This is a very ambitious budget and I support this Bill. Hon. Speaker, let me also thank the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) and the Chief Registrar of Judiciary for submitting their estimates in the agreed form as per the requirements of Articles 127 (5) and 173 (3) respectively, of the Constitution. I hope that when the budget of the PSC is approved, we will have an improvement. If you look at the place where we used to have pigeon holes, we want that to be re-introduced because most of our correspondences are spread all over and it is very difficult to get to hon. Members. I hope Members of the PSC are listening and they should improve on that. Hon. Speaker, on the recruitment of 588 additional staff by Parliament, it has had a positive impact and we are seeing this in the Budget. We hope the operations of this House will improve so that we give good service to hon. Members. We look forward to the second phase of recruitment by the PSC and hope that will lead to enhancement of capacity for Parliamentary Service Commission. I expect the Centre for Parliamentary Studies and Training (CPST) to improve its absorptions capacity and begin offering training based on the six core thematic areas. Hon. Speaker, I also want to say that two months ago we buried an old Member of this House, a former Member of Parliament. He died while very poor. He led a very good life but died very poor. I hope that in the next Budget, the Budget and Appropriations Committee considers allocation for gratuity and retirement benefits for both former and current Members of Parliament because we have seen a lot of poverty when one leaves service from this House. Hon. Speaker, I also want to say that I would like to note that in future Treasury should work more closely with the Budget and Appropriations Committee so that the Budget Policy Statement is in harmony with whatever this Committee does. This is because there before we have seen under the new Constitution, Treasury trying to impose their will on the National Assembly. But the National Assembly is the one that has a major role in Budget making process. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Speaker, I rise to support the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. I want to thank the Chair and the membership of that Committee for the serious engagement we had to ensure that all the Estimates are looked into; to ensure that no wastages are budgeted for. Therefore, I want to thank the Chair and his team where I am also a Member. This is the second Budget of this Session. I will say that this is the Budget that should bring the real changes that Kenyans have been expecting. This country is facing many serious problems and the surest way of addressing those many challenges is through the Budget process. This is a very serious document. I want to urge our colleagues, those who are saying that they need money to dialogue; I think the Members of this House who go out there to demand for national dialogue are being told that you have failed in the House. That is exactly what you are being told out there. So, I want to encourage my good friend that that is an indictment on his side that they are failing in the House and that is why debate needs to go outside Parliament. Therefore, you are here in the House; what you need to say, say it here. If it is about money, let us discus it here in the House where the relevant institution is. We cannot go outside there to waste money and say that we want to discuss. Do it here in the House and the Senate. Those are the relevant bodies. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Speaker. I want to thank you for giving me a chance to contribute to this subject, which is quite dear to my heart. I want to support the adoption of this Report. I want to start by thanking Kenyans for giving this country the Constitution 2010. In this Constitution, this House has been given a huge responsibility in terms of the Budget making process. This is a serious departure from what used to happen in the past. When I look at this Budget of Kshs1.78 trillion, it has quite some positive aspects, which if we do not mention, it will be unfair to the process. Looking at the Budget and the process, we all as Kenyans appreciate the opportunity to have public participation in the Budget-making process. For some of us who interacted with Kenyans in the rural setting, Kenyans appreciated very much the fact that Parliament had gone out there to interact with them in terms of the Budget-making process. That is something worth mentioning and it is positive. The other thing, which is also positive, is the analyzing of this Budget in terms of what is called targeting the Budget. Some good work has been done in terms of trying to target the Budget. More so, in the 2014/2015 Financial Year, we have projected a GDP growth rate of 6.1 per cent. If we have to achieve that growth rate, it is important that money is targeted to the right sectors. If you look at this Budget, a lot of resources have been targeted to the infrastructure, agriculture, energy, education and water. These are sectors which will grow our economy and at the same time generate employment for our young people. The other area which is also important is the social safety net fund. This Budget has enhanced the allocation to this fund, which is targeted for the elderly in this country, the disadvantaged and children from poor backgrounds. This Budget, in terms of targeting, some good work has been done. The other area of interest is the area of loans. We have said in this House in the past that whatever loans that we get from our friends from outside this country should be used well. If you look at this year’s Budget, you realize that all the money that we are getting from our development partners is going to be used for the productive sector. This means that these funds will help this country to grow, unlike the situation where these loans are used to fund the Recurrent Expenditure. That is also a very positive aspect of this Budget. For the first time, the Parliamentary Service Commission has been allocated almost all the amount that they requested for. As a Commission, and the Speaker you have the honour to Chair that Commission, we should take care of the development and recurrent needs of this House. Having said that, there are also areas in which we can improve as a country. I just want to spend a few minutes on this because it is important. The Budget is not clear on the targets and outputs that should be achieved at the end of the day. That is the whole essence of programme-based budgeting. It is for the country to say that this year we are targeting to do 100 kilometres of tarmac roads, grade 1,000 kilometres or do 100 boreholes. That is the whole purpose of programme-based budgeting. If that is not done The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Yes, hon. Pukose!

Thank you, hon. Speaker, for allowing me to contribute to this very important Motion. First and foremost, I would like to thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee, led by their able Chairman, hon. Mutava Musyimi, for a job well-done. In the last financial year, they scored poorly because of the circumstances under which they worked. This time round, their marks have improved. I can score them at 55 per cent.

Hon. Speaker, I would like the Members of the Committee to appreciate the fact that a surgeon will never score anyone more than 60 per cent. The best that one can get is 55 per cent. Going forward, there are suggestions that the Committee has given, amongst which is how to improve on what has happened in the current Budget. That gives room for improvement. Once we have room for improvement, we will be able to move further. Our biggest challenge in terms of Budget preparation is that our law demands that it has to be the estimates of the appropriations that were last approved by Parliament, which are supposed to have been presented by the Public Accounts Committee. The last one was presented in the Financial Year 2009/2010. This means that we are not able to budget in time. So, this is the challenge, especially to our Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and his team, who are supposed to work very hard and make current Budgets and sit within time. If we are going to prepare our Budget Estimates based on the 2009/2010 appropriations, then it is a big challenge. All said and done, we are talking of 1,200 vehicles being leased in the country. We are talking of improving the security of this country. In my own constituency, which has an Officer Commanding Police Division (OCPD) and two Officers Commanding Stations (OCSs), there is only one motor vehicle. In the circumstances, I do not feel that my constituency is secure enough. I do not know where the 1,200 motor vehicles that we are talking about are. Today morning, a boda boda motor cycle rider was knocked down by a matatu . The only vehicle available at the police station was talking prisoners to Kitale. This makes it very difficult. I got touched and wondered why such a thing does not happen in other constituencies. It means that other constituencies are more equal than others. Some constituencies are able to get enough vehicles while others are not. This goes to the Inspector-General of Police. He should ensure that Endebess Constituency gets enough vehicles, so that police officers in the constituency, with a fully-fledged police station and several police posts, do not rely on just one vehicle. Hon. Speaker, in our Committee, one of the key areas where we propose to make budgetary allocation is that of research. I want to thank the Committee because they allowed us to provide Kshs95 million to Kenya Medical Research Institute (KEMRI) for research on miraa . As we are aware, miraa is one of the key cash crops within this country with very little research having been done on it. I hope that with KEMRI having been allocated Kshs95 million, they will be able to do much. We have also allocated them The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu)

Thank you very much, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. From the outset, I wish to thank the Chairman and the Committee on Budget and Appropriations. I also want to thank them for having done bottom-up budgeting where they have been able to involve the population. The first item which I want to pick out instantly is the Constituencies Development Fund. I want to share with the Chairman that this is the only money that leaves the National Treasury and leaves trail of how it has been used. It is also the single national resource that our people have been able to see and feel. I, therefore, think that the increase in the allocation of CDF from what it was in 2013/2014 Financial Year, to what has been projected in 2014/2015 Financial Year is very welcome. I think our people are going to benefit from that. This Budget is anchored on pillars. I just want to pick up two pillars. The first one is food security. One of the major problems in Kenya today, and it has been found to be prevalent in 14 counties, is food insecurity or hunger. If the population does not get enough food, then I think it reduces the factor of production. The second one is entrenching devolution. I think this is an area that calls for a wider national debate. Devolution must bring services closer to our people. If it does not bring that, then we may say that devolution is just empty talk. The allocation is trying to show us that we must walk devolution. The question that I keep on asking myself is, if I am able to feel the Kshs100 million or Kshs70 million that goes into my constituency, what about Kshs567 billion that goes into counties? Why is that money not being felt? Whereas we have given money to the Ministry of Devolution and National Planning, resources must be directed, focused and there must be oversight to ensure that resources are used properly. The other area is health. I think in health, we are seeing debate where services have been devolved to the counties, but still some of it is held at the national level. For many of the rural constituencies, the problem we are seeing at the moment is lack of capacity at that level but also lack of infrastructure to go with the devolved service. Therefore, whereas there is allocation of resources, these resources must support the people within those constituencies and counties. Many of the former district hospitals or provincial hospitals are today considered as Level 4, Level 5 or even Level 3. But that must go along with resources. A patient in Marsabit cannot be referred to Meru, whereas the hospital in Marsabit is a Level 4 hospital but it lacks the basic infrastructure to be able to meet the needs of the people. A good example is blood transfusion. When a Level 3 or Level 4 hospital lacks the basic thing like blood transfusion then it means that the hospital cannot save lives. I also think within this Budget, the allocation to National Land Commission and other national institutions is important. What we must guard against is duplicity of functions. The other area is water. I want to tell the Chairman that I come from a water scarce area, which is Marsabit. Among the five dams which were planned and programmed under former President Mwai Kibaki was Badasa Dam. This dam has already consumed about Kshs3 billion and it is not complete. Unfortunately, I notice that in this Budget, Badasa Dam has not been factored but still my people are crying for water. The other area is orphans and vulnerable children. I am happy the Budget and Appropriations Committee allocated additional Kshs120million. This is good and is The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Let me start from the outset by supporting the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. I really appreciate the expanded powers of the House in terms of looking at matters of budget in our country. The Committee has indeed used these powers very well to look at areas that the Executive might have left out and to confirm some of the programmes that the Executive have. I really congratulate the Committee for the long hours they took to come up with this Report and the amount of consultations that have gone into this process. Allow me also to congratulate the Committee and ask that we keep improving the process of budgeting in our country. If you look at the Report that we have availed today--- This is a conversation that the Committee has had and I think it needs action. We must have in our process of budgeting an end of the financial year review. Our work is not just to sit here every year to give funds to different Ministries without ever checking what is going on with the funds. In the Committee, it has been proposed that as early as November/December of every financial year there is a mid-year review of the budget even before we proceed to the next financial year. This is something that needs to be in-built in the process at the time the Public Finance Management Regulations and Rules are going to be looked into. Even the Act should be amended to provide for an end of year financial review where we look at the programmes and what they have delivered. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I also hope that as we go along we will improve the statistics. We are in a country where nobody can tell you the number of pupils and teachers we have. When we do the Free Primary Education and the Free Secondary Education, the data that we have continued to use is sometimes very old and inaccurate. We continue to fund many programmes in a country where we have almost 50 per cent of citizens living below the poverty line. The idea behind programme-based Budgeting is that people’s lives should incrementally be changed by the programmes that the Government is getting into. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Very well, hon. Millie Odhiambo, Member for Mbita.

Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I want to thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee, led by hon. Mutava Musyimi for the good work that they have done. I also wish to take this opportunity on behalf of the people of Mbita Constituency in a very special way to thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee for coming to Mbita. I was asked by Mbita people to thank the committee in a very special way. I am very happy with this new Constitution that we came up with and I have heard Members saying that The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Your time is over. Very well done, hon. Millie Odhiambo. Hon. Member for Kipipiri. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I also wish to echo the remarks of the previous speakers that the Budget and Appropriations Committee this time round has done a good job. I wish to explain to the Member who had indicated that last year we performed dismally that we really had no time to look into this. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I will indeed be requesting that we think about how we can change the timeframe for various structures in this process of the budgeting especially when it comes to the public hearings. I think it is important that we begin a bit early and comments and requests of the public be forwarded to the various Ministries to input before they prepare the Budget. This is so that we do not incorporate the public hearings at the tail end of the process but at the beginning of the process. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am happy that this Budget has taken care of key areas in terms of funding like security, as others have indicated. It is very important that this time round we take care of our security. Education has been taken care as well. I know that we have not provided sufficient funding to education but within the constraints of the money that was available I think a good job has been done and probably as we move on to the next financial year, we are going to add even more funds. The youth have also been taken care of especially through the National Youth Service (NYS) and we are hoping that the Ministry that has been given serious funding through NYS is going to benefit our youth and we are going to see serious changes in terms of employment of the youth. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, indeed, the Budget and Appropriations Committee adopted a proposal by the Departmental Committee on Labour and Social Welfare that an employment promotion centre be established. This is so that we can place them in employment not only within the country but also outside the country. I am also happy that the water issues are being addressed. The social safety nets have seen very dramatic increments. In the course of this year, only about 59,000 elderly people are benefitting from the cash transfers. This is going to be raised to Kshs210,000 in the next financial year from June and I believe our wazees are going to be helped by that. Having said that, there are some areas, in my opinion, that did not receive sufficient funding like agriculture which is the backbone of this country. I think we need to relook at this issue. I know that we have devolved most of these sectors but I have not seen that, especially where I come from in Kipipiri anything really significant coming from the county government. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, another area that needs to be looked into is the productivity process. We have not taken care of the office that is supposed to create the process of measuring the productivity levels of various workers in this country, both in the private and public sector. I know that we have serious challenges in this country. Looking at the Budget, the Government is hoping to raise about Kshs1 trillion from revenue collection by the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) and other areas. We have a Budget of over Kshs1.7 trillion. We are hoping to raise Kshs1 trillion. To be honest and even after listening to our parliamentary Budget Office, we are not likely to reach that Kshs1 trillion, which means that we are likely to have about a Kshs800 billion gap. That is between what we are The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Yes, hon. Washington Midiwo.

Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Are you in love with my name, “Washington”?

On a point of order, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. It is unfair---

I rise to support this Budget proposal and urge the hon. Member who is saying that it is very unfair to chill and wait for his turn. He may get a chance after the dialogue, but right now I am the one. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, let me first of all thank the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and his team for a job well done. It is tedious and usually when we go for recess people say that hon. Members of Parliament are doing nothing. I want to re-assure Kenyans that under the new order the Budgeting process falls squarely in the ambit of the National Assembly. Therefore, we have been working and we must pat ourselves on the back. Having said that, there are issues that we want to plead with the Executive to help us reorganize - security issues, now that Parliament is allocating colossal sums of money. It may not be enough but the Executive must agree to take politics away from the security arms of our Government. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I happen to sit in the Departmental Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations. I have seen the tussle between the Ministry of Defence and the Department of National Intelligence Service (NIS) and I do not think it is healthy. We want our security forces to work together because we have security challenges. Because of insecurity, we are going to lose so much revenue. It is not known up to date how many hotels have closed down in the Coast because of insecurity. We must take the issue of security seriously. This House has a duty to take the issue of insecurity seriously. I want to thank the Committee for saying that we need money for intelligence. We want to plead with NIS to do its work so that we are not surprised by petty criminals. If you give the NIS Kshs17 billion, we need not see some useless persons hauling a hand grenade at a matatu carrying Kenyans. They must do their job and they must stop using this money politically. We want the money to do the work that this House intends it to do. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we want security forces to stop lamenting about lack of money. I want to thank the Committee for giving colossal amount of money to Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) because they are working for us in Somalia. When you sit in committees, complaints about money not being enough is a normal song. We need money to build our roads, construct hospitals and do many other things. The Executive must do something about corruption. The President must lead this country to eradicate rampant runaway corruption. I want to say that I would not want to go the hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona’s way of wanting to legalize corruption. Corruption is a cancer and the Government must do something about it. The President must lead from the front. We cannot wake up one day and pay a street man or boy Kshs1.4 billion in the name of paying a shadow deal like Anglo-Leasing. We shall not accept that! That is our money; Kenyan people’s money! We cannot accept that kind of thing. The Treasury Secretary must take responsibility for what he has done. I have said The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I want to join my colleagues in thanking the Budget and Appropriations Committee for the wonderful job they have done in this Budget. I am a Member of the Committee and we have done the best that we can. I must thank our Chairman for working extremely hard to make sure that we table this Report on time. When you look at this Budget, our Recurrent Expenditure is Kshs654.1 billion and the Development Expenditure is Kshs476.4 billion. This is worrying and I would wish that our colleagues would engage us in dialogue on this part because this is where we have a problem. We are using so much money to pay salaries to The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Thank you, Members. I must appreciate the sober contribution to the Budget and Appropriations Committee Report on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2014/2015 Financial Year. We will continue in the next sitting.