Hon. Members, I wish to bring to your attention that I have received four letters, all dated 13th November, 2014 from the Minority Chief Whip conveying the decision of the CORD Coalition in the National Assembly to discharge the following four Members from Committees as follows:- 1. The Hon. Ken Obura Mirenga, MP, who has been discharged from the Departmental Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations, and the Departmental Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. 2. The Hon. Samuel Arama, MP, who has been discharged from the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee (CIOC) and the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) 3. The Hon. Dalmas Otieno, MP, who has been discharged from the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee (CIOC) and the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security; and, 4. The Hon. Zainab Kalekye Chizudga, MP, who has been discharged from the Departmental Committee on Environment and Natural Resources and the Committee on Delegated Legislation.
Hon. Members, Standing Order No.176, paragraphs (1) and (2), provides as follows:- “176(1) The parliamentary party that nominated a member to a select committee, may give notice in writing to the Speaker that the member is to be discharged from a select committee. (2) The discharge of a member shall take effect upon receipt by the Speaker of a notice under paragraph (1)”
Therefore, in accordance with the provisions of the said Standing Order, the four Members have, with effect from today, 19th November, 2014, ceased being Members of the respective committees, from which they have been discharged.
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the term of the Tenth Parliament. It was informed by practice obtaining in comparable jurisdictions such as the Commonwealth of Canada, German’s Bundestag, the National Assembly of the Republic of South Africa and the National Assembly of Ghana. This practice, which is sparingly invoked even in those democracies where political party allegiance is more advanced, is intended to assist parties to instil self control and whip their Members as opposed to punishing them. In those jurisdictions, the practice is applied only as the last option, so that it is not construed to be a means for chastising Members.
In this regard, I would expect parties to apply the provisions of Standing Order No.176 with utmost restraint.
Hon. Members, let me also bring to your attention the provisions of paragraph (3) of Standing Order No.173, which provides as follows:- “173(3) A vacancy occasioned by resignation or removal of a Member from a select committee shall be filled within fourteen days of the vacancy.”
It, therefore, means that the vacancies arising from the discharge of those four Members from the respective committees must be filled within the next 14 days from the date hereof.
Thank you, hon. Members.
On a point of order, hon. Speaker.
What is it?
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to bring to your attention the fact that I am one of the hon. Members who have been de-whipped by the ODM, and that I have not been told the reason for that action. I only heard it from the media. I want to protest that it is not right for the ODM to start de-whipping Members even when they have done nothing. It is high time you invoked Standing Order No. 173, which provides that every Member of this House is supposed to be in a certain Committee. I am being de- whipped simply because I said that I would be supporting the Government of the day – something which, I am sure, our party leaders are also doing. This is the saddest day for the ODM. I am not going to take it lying down. I would want the Minority Whip to tell me why I should be removed from the committees without being informed. A lot of things have been done for the people of Nakuru Town West Constituency, whom I represent here. I said that the President of this Republic is the President of everybody, and that we support him. That is what I am doing. He does not belong to Luos.
Hon. Speaker, this is my turn. When they discussed in Kisumu and decided to remove me from the committees, they must have known that I do not come from Nyanza, but from Nakuru Town West Constituency in Nakuru County.
On a point of order, hon. Speaker.
Let us hear him, first. He is also on a point of order. Hon. Arama, let me advise you that Standing Order No.173, which you referred to, merely says that vacancies be filled within 14 days. I am quite alive to the facts in previous Standing Orders; it was difficult for a party to take such a decision. The Chair was then enjoined to ensure that every Member of Parliament served in a committee. With the introduction of Standing Order No.176, that is no longer the case. My free The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
advice would be for you to lodge an appeal to the nominating party, so that it can re- consider its decision. What is your point of order, hon. Wandayi?
On a point of order, hon. Speaker, first of all, I must say that I sympathise with my good friend, hon. Arama, for losing his position in the two committees for reasons he knows best. Having said that, I only wanted to take great exception to his reference to a particular community with regard to the decision that has been taken by his sponsoring party. It is important for me to stress the point that political parties, as established under the Political Parties Act, have got mechanisms of resolving their internal disputes. It is important to note that for the Chief Whip of a coalition such as CORD to write to you, it must have been as result of conclusive deliberations within the party structure and systems. Therefore, my take is that, if you indulge me, perhaps, you could order hon. Arama to withdraw the remarks that he has just made in reference to a particular community. Thank you.
What remarks, specifically?
Hon. Speaker, hon. Arama has made a very adverse remark in so far as his removal from the committees is concerned. He has alluded to the fact that the ODM party is not for the Luo, and went ahead to suggest that he does not come from Nyanza. All those are unnecessary remarks because it is a fact that the ODM is the largest political party in this country, and is the most national party by outlook and in all other respects. Therefore, I plead with you to order him to withdraw the remark he has made with regard to the Luo community. Thank you.
It seems that all of you do not seem to understand your own Standing Orders. A Member is telling me to do one thing as another insists on a point of order. Which one shall I rule on? I am doing this deliberately as I look at my good friend, the hon. John Mbadi, who understands the Standing Orders. I thought I should make a decision on the matter raised by hon. Wandayi before I allow you. I also see that hon. Abdikadir has also put in an intervention request. Hon. Arama, you have been told to withdraw the remarks that the party does not belong to a particular community. Is that what you said?
Hon. Speaker, I did not say so but they are confirming that it belongs to Luos. What I said was that it is not a party for Nyanza.
Hon. Speaker, now that they are confirming that it is a Luo party, then we do not have any option. We can leave it to them, because that is what they want.
Hon. Arama, if you look at the old Constitution of this country, in Article 91, it gives the attributes that every qualifying political party must have certain attributes, among which is national character. If you go to the Political Parties Act, you will find the requirement that it must not have less than 24 branches nationally. So, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
surely, is what you have said fair, unless you would want to suggest that the 24 counties are of that community?
Hon. Speaker, I did not say that it belongs to the Luos as such. He is the one who has said so. What I said was that the decision to remove me from the committees was made in Nyanza, yet we all know that the ODM offices are in Nairobi. I have not been told by any organ of my party what I have done. That is why I said that I heard these matters discussed at funeral gatherings, where they were burying their kinsmen in Nyanza. That is why I am saying, that there is no way I could have known.
Hon. Arama, Standing Order No.176(1) merely says that the party nominating a Member to a Committee can notify the Speaker of its decision to discharge a Member from a committee. It does not say that the decision will have to have been taken in Nairobi or in a church or a mosque or at funeral. It does not matter where the decision was taken. All that the Speaker is supposed to do is to see that the decision is communicated by the appropriate officer of the party. In this case, I have confirmed that the letter that I have received was written by the Minority Whip, communicating the decision that his party had decided to discharge the four Members from the committees. I am not required to inquire as to where the decision to discharge you was arrived at. Even if it was arrived at in somebody’s bedroom, there is no requirement for me to establish such facts. It suffices that the letter is signed by hon. Mwadeghu – who is the Minority Whip. He has communicated the party’s decision. I am also communicating to the plenary that I have received a communication to that effect and alerting the House that, in terms of Standing Order No.176(2), the Members discharged have ceased to belong to those committees. The respective Chairs of those committees will know that even if they see those Members in their committees, they are no longer appearing as Members of the committees, but as Members of the National Assembly. Even as a Member of the National Assembly, you are entitled to attend a sitting of a committee of the House. Of course, there are accompanying benefits on being a Member. Hon. Arama, therefore, you should take my advice. Just go back to the appointing authority and put your case there, because I cannot help you. Hon. John Mbadi, do you want to enrich our discussion?
Hon. Speaker, you have rightly guided hon. Arama. I did not want to talk because I am mourning my mentor in politics, but I have been provoked into talking. First, in your Communication, you said that the person who wrote the letter is the Chief Whip of the Minority Party, hon. Mwadeghu. I do not know when he held a meeting in Kisumu, and with whom. That should, therefore, tell him that the decision to remove him from the committees is from the party. Secondly, if he was keen, he would have understood, from your Communication, that 50 per cent of the victims of ODM’s action are actually from the same area to which he thinks the party belongs. If the party belongs there, it means that it is punishing its own people and, therefore, there is no problem. Finally, I would have advised my friend, hon. Arama, informally that he should take care when dealing with the party. He should know that he came here on an ODM ticket. So long as he is on an ODM ticket, he should be careful. He has been very liberal with his speech. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Order! Order, hon. Members! Even if you do not agree with what hon. John Mbadi is saying, he has a right to say it. You can also say what your takes are.
Hon. Speaker, in this country, we are mistaking bad manners for democracy. The kind of democracy that we want to practise in Kenya is practised nowhere in the world. Even in the United States of America, you cannot have a Member of the Republic Party talking ill about that party every day, every hour and still want to enjoy the benefits of that party. Hon. Arama must understand that if he is tired of being in the ODM, the right thing to do is to cross over to the other side of the House. It is very simple; you just tell the Speaker: “I am tired of being in ODM”, and then you go back to the constituency and seek re-election. Let me confide in this House that he told me, yesterday, that he can still win. I wish him good luck.
If he can still win, let him resign, re-contest his seat in Nakuru on another party’s ticket, come back to the House and enjoy the benefits of that party. On an ODM ticket, we are overstretching the patience of parties too far. Even the Jubilee Coalition cannot allow something of that sort. In fact, the Jubilee Coalition is more dictatorial. The Leader of Majority Party has been threatening Members of the Jubilee Coalition every minute. They cannot even vote with their conscious. They have to be whipped to vote even when they do not want to vote but us, in the CORD Coalition, we are required to just keep quiet when our Members misbehave. We cannot take bad manners for democracy.
Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Hon. John Mbadi, I thought you rose to enrich the debate. You see, hon. John Mbadi, being an experienced Member and one whom I know alongside hon. Midiwo took an active part in the development of the Political Parties Act, more particularly being aware of the provisions of Section 14(5) of that Act, I thought you were going to advise the Member that the next thing that is likely to happen is considering whether sub-section (5) of Section 14 of the Political Parties Act has been breached by certain conduct. However, since that will be dealt with elsewhere, let us confine ourselves to the Standing Orders, especially Standing Order No.176. I have clearly indicated that what has happened is within our own Standing Orders. No rule has been breached.
Hon. Midiwo, do you want to expound further?
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I only want to speak to two issues. My first issue is sticking with the Standing Orders. In the last two days, we have been treated to some very shameful acts by Members of this House since we are on the subject of discipline, which borders on disrespect to the Chair.
Hon. Speaker, yesterday we had a Motion here about the unethical acts which are being done to our women and girls on the streets by hooligans. A few Members or a Member, openly defied the Speaker in a way that I thought was not decorous in this House. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Speaker, this morning there was a debate which was procedurally progressed by this House to the Third Reading. A Member, who happens to be the same Member as yesterday, acted in a way that showed that this House should not even have a Speaker or a Chair for that matter.
Hon. Speaker, since we are talking about issues of discipline, it is good that we, as a House, are informed of the rules. What you are being treated to is lack of understanding of the rules. If we are lawmakers we must live within rules. It is absurd that you can tell me to walk out - you have done that before - and I refuse to do so. Whether it was disrespecting the Chair because it was a woman on the Chair, I think it bordered on criminality. This is because if we disobey our laws, then whose laws do we want to protect or make?
Hon. Speaker, you must protect the seat of the Speaker the same way you are saying the Standing Orders are plain and straightforward. We may blame politics for it. This leads to my second point. When the ODM says it wants to sort out issues of discipline within it, it becomes a headline of a story. However, when the United Republican Party (URP) kicks out Members of the County Assembly (MCAs) in Nandi County, it is a small strip in the newspaper.
Hon. Speaker, how many opponents do we have? Is it the media plus Jubilee, or can our opponents be known to us today? I mean, let us sort out ourselves. You may not agree with the way we do it but you cannot use the Fourth Estate to your advantage only when it is convenient. Use it all the time, including when you steal or do all kind of things. Let the Fourth Estate talk, so that it is known you were stripped naked. There is no difference between the Arama case and the firing of the MCAs in Nandi County. If there was, I would be shocked. Senator Khalwale, who is one of your own, was kicked out for just airing a different opinion and none of you spoke here for him. Why is the shoe so tight when it is in our feet? It is because he is an independent figure.
Hon. Speaker, lastly let me take this opportunity to seriously send my condolences---
I am coming to that.
Okay. Thank you.
Hon. Members, I think you have ventilated enough on this and besides it, in my Communication I also indicated that following the discharge of those four Members from those committees, then vacancies arose, which will be filled within 14 days from today. I believe that there will be sufficient opportunity to ventilate.
However, let us not also assume the role of other institutions, because there are other institutions that have been created like the Political Parties Disputes Tribunal. A party is at liberty to punish its members under Section 14(5) if a member is found propagating the ideologies of another party and not the one on whose ticket they were elected. So, they can be disciplined, and that is in the Political Parties Act. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
That one does not come to me until the process is concluded. If a process is concluded then we will apply Article 103 here. If you look at your own Article 103 of the Constitution---
So, hon. Members, I know there maybe need for people to be taken through some of these processes but the assumption that is there always is that nobody finds their way here merely walking on their two feet. They must have been qualified under Section 22 of the Elections Act. So, they are literate people. The assumption is that you are only given the broad principles and you are left to read for yourselves and understand those others, especially matters to do with discipline or indiscipline.
I think the issue raised by hon. Midiwo is important because my attention has been drawn to that issue which he raised about the Member. However, also Members need to know that if a Member persists after being directed to withdraw from the Chamber and the services of the Serjeant-at-Arms are therefore called in, if you are merely touched by the Serjeant-at-Arms, our own rules - I would want you to look at Standing Order No.111 - are that then you will be withdrawn from the Chamber for the rest of the session. So, it does not have to be violent behaviour. If you are ordered to leave and you do not leave and the Serjeant-at-Arms helps you to withdraw, then Standing Order No.111 will come into play and you will be withdrawn from the Chamber for the rest of the session. Woe unto you if the session is just beginning.
So, I think it is fair that we keep reminding ourselves about some of these things and especially when you just read Standing Order Nos. 106 to 111 so that we are appraised of the requirements and the expected behavior, both in plenary and also in committees. That is not limited to just the plenary. It is also applicable in committees and while at it, it is fair to state all committees so that people do not start imagining that there are any exceptions. There are none.
I think hon. Members we can proceed.
On a point of order, hon. Speaker.
Hon. Chepkong’a, what is your point of order?
On a point of order, hon. Speaker. Of course, they know that I am not a Member of the sky team.
I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.83; on a more concrete way, we need your direction. Under Standing Order No.175, hon. Members of various select committees are approved by this House. Under Standing Order No.176, when a party decides to remove that hon. Member, it becomes automatic yet that hon. Member has been approved by this House. That is inconsistent because if we approve then we should also approve the removal.
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seeking your direction because of these very serious inconsistencies between the two Standing Orders, which might be resolved in favour of the liberty of the persons who have been wronged. It is very relevant, particularly as we are discussing the Persons Deprived of Liberty Bill. Hon. Members, especially hon. Obura, hon. Arama and hon. (Ms.) Chidzuga are persons who have been deprived of their liberties in a party.
In fact, since we are looking at this Bill, when it comes to the Committee Stage, we will be moving an amendment that people who have been deprived of liberty in their parties must also be protected. We also recognize the purported removal of hon. Anyango. As you know, he is a very senior man, he is also very elderly. The Constitution recognizes that an elderly person must be treated with courtesy.
Hon. Speaker, there was an attempt to link the mess that is on the other side of this House to Nandi County. What happened in Nandi County was purely reorganization amongst members. There was no removal of anybody. In fact, they are very happy in the various committees. There was no direction from the party. I speak as an official of that party. We are a very organized party and you know we love our people generally. We do not deprive people of their liberties, particularly in matters of politics and how they want to associate with other people. If you look at my good friend, Isaac Rutto, who is the Governor of Bomet, he was born in Ainabkoi. In fact, his last known address is P.O. Box 38 Kipkabus. We continue to protect his opposition to whatever we, as the URP, hold dear. We have even suggested to him that he can associate with CORD and we will not have any problem.
The only thing is that he has problems with his people and that has nothing to do with us. He needs to sort out his own people of Bomet, but we, as a party, are very disciplined. We believe in the rights of people. I am reminded of hon. A. Keter, who crossed to the other side but has since happily come to this other side.
We need your direction with regard to these conflicting laws, so that hon. Members can be protected. As you know, I was formerly in the ODM and hon. Midiwo knows that I was a very powerful member then. They may make an attempt to de-whip me when they know that I am not in their party. We need to reconcile these two provisions; we seek your direction.
You know even before you discussed it, I indicated that Standing Order No.176 was included after a lot of soul searching by the Tenth Parliament. It was not there previously and I can give you examples of previous attempts at discharging hon. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Members from committees. I can tell you without any fear of contradiction that at one time in the Eight Parliament, an attempt was made to discharge Dr. Ochuodho and the Speaker, hon. ole Kaparo, came to his assistance because at that time we did not have a provision like this one. But the advantage also you have about these Standing Orders, unlike those ones of the past, is that you can amend them even as you proceed. So, hon. Chepkong’a, I must administer what I have, what I was given by the Tenth Parliament. These Standing Orders were adopted on 13th January, 2013. We think there were good intentions in having these kinds of provisions. It is also provided that it is possible during the life of the same Parliament to amend the same Standing Orders, which never used to exist in the past.
Let me recognize hon. Aden, and then I will give a chance to hon. (Ms.) Kajuju.
On a point of order, hon. Speaker. I just wanted to ask whether hon. Chepkong’a is in order - he is a senior lawyer - to mislead this House that Standing Order No.176 is inappropriate when he knows that the very laws that empower this House to approve names empower political parties to instill discipline by using Standing Order No.176. I want to say that the ODM is the most democratic party that has shown that it can lead the way by implementing laws. Just follow the footsteps of the ODM. That is all I can advise.
Hon. Speaker, when I saw four hon. Members, including a senior hon. Member, hon. Anyango, and a junior hon. Member for Kisumu Town being de-whipped, I was very quiet because I was looking at history lane. I served under that party in the last Parliament. I suffered and I went home. So, I am only telling them that they are not the first ones; I remember that period, the Deputy President, Senator Keter, the famous Isaac Rutto, who now is in a very democratic party and I --- We said he can even become the running mate of the other coalition. We went through a more serious torture in the same party. So, history is repeating itself. I am sure the 40 million---
Tell hon. Ng’ongo to shut up and listen because I listened to him.
History is repeating itself. In 2010, I was sacked by one side of the mkate nusu
I became the Member for Dujis. At the time none other than my colleague, hon. Ng’ongo, was lucky enough and replaced somebody else. He replaced the late Ojode and joined the Government. I came to the same House and the party decided not to give me a slot in any of the committees. I went to the then Speaker and quoted Article 95 of the Constitution. This House, in its 18th month has amended the Standing Orders. The route which some of us will take is different because some of us in Jubilee have no intention of de-whipping anybody in future, even in the next Parliament. We will amend these Standing Orders. In the meantime, the House gives us powers to appoint ad hoc committees. Those committees will be chaired by brainy people like hon. Dalmas Otieno. If you allow me, hon. Ng’ongo, we will amend the Constitution. A Member of Parliament has three functions or mandates to perform for the people who elected him. He is supposed to represent people, oversee and legislate. The infrastructure is provided in the Standing Orders; he will perform those roles within the committees of Parliament infrastructure. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Because you decided to have a cup of tea with hon. (Ms.) Kajuju or hon. Duale, with the blessings of the Deputy President, there is height of intolerance. It is shameful that hon. Arama who represents the people of Nakuru West and hon. Dalmas Otieno--- He says that if God wishes, and if he will be there, he will present himself as a candidate. Hon. Speaker, the great man, Member of Parliament for the only “city”, hon. Ken Obura, says that there is a demarcation between politics and development. Hon. Ken Obura did not say anything else. He said “When it is development, I will work with anybody; even if that person is called Governor Kidero; when that person---”
Relax hon. Ng’ongo; that is another sign of intolerance! You cannot even sit on your chair!
Hon. Speaker, if you look at hon. (Ms.) Chidzuga, a lady I have a lot of respect for, who is a grassroots leader, just because she aired her views, she has to suffer. The country of 40 million Kenyans will agree with what our good friend, hon. Alfred Keter did in front of our President and Deputy President in a rally in Eldoret. You have seen our good friend, my former colleague, Isaac Rutto. You must learn from Jubilee. Do not go back to history. Hon. Jakoyo Midiwo, a man who talks about discipline in the House--- If you walk the history lane, you will see the common denominators of indiscipline in the House; they come from both sides of the coalition. There is indiscipline in Kasarani, at funerals, in Okoa Magerer ----
Hon. Speaker, hon. Arama, hon. Dalmas Otieno and hon. Ken Obura are very decent and innocent people. The Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) should use its energy and resources to fight the men in black and not hon. Ken Obura and hon. Dalmas Otieno. Let the truth be told. I am a serious former member of ODM, but I am sure people who are watching what is happening in ODM will vindicate William Ruto, Aden Duale and a very decent man called hon. Kiptanui, who cannot even kill a fly. He suffered because he was a friend of William Ruto. I also suffered. Hon. Speaker, hon. Musalia Mudavadi literally took off because he said that he was to be a candidate.
My parting shot; I want to say that, you can chase away hon. Arama, hon. Dalmas Otieno and hon. Ken Obura, but a day will come when hon. Kalonzo Musyoka, Senator Wetangula, hon. Abdikadir, my neighbour, and hon. Mwadeghu, who is writing the letters, will be chased away.
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Order, hon. Members! Hon. (Ms.) Kajuju, is it an issue on the Standing Orders?
Yes, hon. Speaker.
Please, address me on the Standing Orders.
Thank you hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to speak because I am feeling very sad. When I look at my good friend, hon. (Ms.) Chidzuga, a lady like me, having to suffer for no fault of her own, I feel pained. Hon. Speaker, we cannot put the Standing Orders before the Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the Land. Article 47 of the Constitution says that if any institution - God is an institution in this case - has to take any action in as far as that action is administrative, the person who is taking the action that will prejudice the rights of another person must give written reasons for that action. That is a quote from the Constitution. I am holding it and I can read it, if anyone challenges me. The way hon. Arama and hon. (Ms.) Chidzuga have spoken--- They have not told us that ODM, as a party, complied with Article 47 when they decided to de-whip them.
Hon. Speaker, the law demands that if any action has to be taken, any person has a right to be given an opportunity to be heard. The principles of natural justice are very clear. We cannot fight on the ground to get votes, come to this House, start law-making process and then we are threatened that we do not have self control. How can a party purport to instill self control in its hon. Members, just because they associate with other people? Hon. Speaker, I have travelled to Homa Bay and Migori for development reasons. I have not been de-whipped by my party. On the invitation of hon. (Ms.) Gladys Wanga Nyasuna, hon. (Ms.) Dennitah Ghati and even hon. (Ms.) Chidzuga; we went to Virugani to open a water tank project with the Deputy President. Why was I not de-whipped? Is it history that you want to make? Hon. Speaker, hon. Midiwo is the Chairman of hon. Members Welfare Committee. We intend to bring a report to this House to take care of the welfare of hon. Members. Is this what he is going to tell us? It is painful. Finally, hon. Dalmas Otieno was appointed by His Excellency the President to be a special envoy to Sudan. As the Chair of Regional Integration, hon. Dalmas Otieno, a total man, is bringing peace and integration, to deepen and widen the integration process. I request my Leader of Majority Party, the Chair of the select committee to appoint hon. Dalmas Otieno into my committee. As a mother, I am willing to have him on board, so that he can lead us in the integration process. I rest my case, hon. Speaker.
Hon. Nyenze, this was merely procedural. There is something more solemn that I wanted us to communicate. Hon. Members, please, I have already given you direction. I can only administer what I have. I can only administer the Standing Orders that I have. You are at liberty to amend them as you wish, of course, bearing in mind that any amendment must be approved by this same House. That is what The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
I find a bit progressive about these Standing Orders; where you think they do not suit you, you can amend them. You can make proposals for amendment. But let us not use kneejerk reactions to try and encourage abrogation of the rules which you have given to yourselves. Those are the rules and we must follow them. There is nothing we can do. Can we go to the next Order?
Hon. Speaker, I rise to offer my heartfelt sympathies on my behalf, on behalf of my family, the people of Garissa and the Jubilee Coalition in and outside the House to the family of Senator Otieno Kajwang,’ Senator for Homa Bay, during this difficult time.
I was deeply saddened to learn of the death of Senator Kajwang’. I want to say here that last night, after we left the House Business Committee, I went to the Lounge on my way to see some of my colleagues in the Bar and I found hon. Otieno Kajwang’ and hon. Elmi. I joined them and sat with them for more than 40 minutes. He was a very jovial and candid friend of mine. I have been a very good friend of the late Otieno Kajwang’ since 2006 before I joined Parliament. I had the opportunity to be his guest of honour in a school in Lambwe Valley in 2006. The first time I entered Continental House as a citizen was around 15th July, 2006, when I was going to the office of the late Otieno Kajwang’. The late Otieno Kajwang’ was a man of humour. In Islam, we say it is Allah who gives life and He is the one who caused death and to Him, all shall return. Death is very harsh. It is a very fearful reality faced by everyone who lives. No one has the power to avoid it, nor does anyone have the ability to prevent it. It is something which happens every moment and it is encountered by both the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the strong and the weak. They are all the same. There is no plan or means of escaping death. There is no way of preventing it, or delaying. Those of us who served with him in the last Parliament will remember Senator Otieno Kajwang’ for his eloquent contribution. He was a very simple man. He was a man who could do anything on a rally platform with his famous Mapambano song . It was only Senator Kajwang’ who had the test and means to turn a dull crowd into ecstasy. The likes of Senators Otieno Kajwang’, James Orengo, Bonny Khalwale, Moses Wetangula, Kiraitu Murungi, Mutahi Kagwe are the leaders that we have missed in this House. If today they were in this House, maybe the 11th Parliament of the National Assembly could have been a different place. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
I shared the last moments of Senator Otieno’s life last night with hon. Elmi. This morning at 6 a.m. when I was watching news, I could not believe it. I called hon. Elmi and hon. David Were because I had left them there as I rushed to a talk show on a television station. I asked hon. Elmi: “What happened?” “What time did you leave the precincts of Parliament?” They told me they left barely 15 minutes after I had left. That was a decision of the Almighty God that I might be one of the very few who spent the last moments with the Homa Bay Senator, the late Otieno Kajwang’. I wish his family comfort. I wish to say that the Committee of Parliament, in which I am a Member, will go out of its way to stand with the family and the people of Homa Bay.
I wish his father, who on learning about the death of his son I am told has been hospitalised, a very quick recovery. May Senator Kajwang’s soul rest in peace. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me this chance to send my condolence to the family of hon. Senator Kajwang’. On behalf of the people of Kitui West, we send our heartfelt condolences to the family of Senator Gerald Otieno Kajwang’, the people of Mbita, Homa Bay, Nyanza, the Orange Democratic Movement Party, the Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (CORD) and Kenyans at large. Kenya has lost an illustrious son, lawyer, legislator, good orator, joyful and hardworking Kenyan. Senator Kajwang’ had very few enemies, if at all he had, because he had a sense of humour and he took time to stop and greet everybody. There was always a smile on his face. We have lost a great son of this country. Senator Kajwang’ was a staunch Christian with a gift of singing. He belonged to the Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) church. I learn that in his early years, he was a member of the SDA choir. That is why he was very talented in his popular “ Bado Mapambano” song that he always sang in every political party . Hon. Senator Kajwang’ was an icon, an honest person and, as the other speakers have said before and in your tribute, he was a very active debater even in the Senate. So, we have lost a very important person. As we continue to mourn Senator Kajwang’, I urge this House, although the Committee will sit and plan those things, to pay a visit to his home in Runda to console his wife and children. We have to support that family throughout this very trying time because Senator Kajwang’ was a very good person to each one of us. I am sure many of you know the part that hon. Senator Kajwang’ played in the making of the Constitution of Kenya 2010. He was a very key figure. He contributed a lot and charted a very good course. Today we are enjoying the fruits of his labour. He had a law degree from Makerere University. He served as a Cabinet Minister besides so many other roles. Through his interaction with Members of the National Assembly and the Senate, he was loved by most of us because of his sense of humour, kindness and concern. Whenever you met him, he would ask you: “How are you getting on?” He would want to know. He was a humble and a down-to-earth leader.
Hon. Speaker, hon. Senator Kajwang’ has left a wife, children and parents. We are sorry that his father has been hospitalised after learning of the loss of his son. It is high time we prayed and stood with that family during this time of grief. It is also good that we tone down our politics to give respect to hon. Senator Kajwang’. This is not the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
time to throw mud or try to criticise each other. Let us tone down our politics for this week to honour this brilliant Kenyan who has contributed so much to so many things including our Constitution.
Senator Kajwang’ was a bridge builder. He made sure that, though he belonged to the Opposition, he never antagonised members of the Jubilee Coalition. He only talked sense. He talked on issues and was never personal. He never hurt anybody across the political divide.
Lastly, the people of Mbita where Senator Kajwang’ was born, grew up and was elected for the first time, have lost a very illustrious, hardworking and brilliant son. We all feel it. Let us support that family during this time through prayers. We will also pass a form around. Let us make contributions towards his burial expenses so that we give him a good send-off when that time comes. With those few remarks, hon. Speaker, I want to say pole and may God rest his soul in eternal peace. Thank you.
Hon. Members, contributions will be for a maximum of three minutes so that we can have many hon. Members condoling with the deceased’s family.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I would like to join my colleagues in sending my condolences to the family and friends of Senator Otieno Kajwang’. I spent two terms with hon. Kajwang.’ As my colleagues have said, he was a very humorous man. More importantly, when you are a humorous person, people do not relate that with efficiency. I just want to highlight that when Senator Otieno Kajwang’ was the Minister for Immigration and Registration of Persons, you would bring a Question; if you got dissatisfied with his answer, he would follow the matter to the end. In fact, he emulated some of the very good Ministers who would make sure that if something was raised in the House, they went to the end of the issue. As we eulogise him and remember the fun-making man that he was, we also need to remember that he was also an efficient man and he contributed a lot to legislation. As hon. Nyenze has told the House in his honour, we should tone down politics. I would like to urge the CORD Coalition to, in his honour, withdraw the letter of de-whipping of hon. Members, so that we can have some calm this week. Just bring it back after we have buried him. Thank you.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for this chance, so that I can also add my voice to eulogizing, with my colleagues, the loss of Senator Otieno Kajwang’. On behalf of the people of Tongaren Constituency, Bungoma County at large and myself, I wish to pass my heartfelt condolences to the family of the late Senator. As has been said, he was a humorous man. Through that humour, you could see a lot of reason in the sense that he tried to make things easier for people to understand. If many of us could copy that, perhaps we would not inject so much negative passion in our politics. Senator Kajwang’ could actually tell you that you were wrong without necessarily raising very negative passions in you. If many of us were to copy what Senator Kajwang’ did, perhaps our politics would be much cleaner. Senator Kajwang’ was also a very principled person, and gave total loyalty to his party, his party’s ideals and party’s leadership. Indeed, Senator Kajwang’, in my view, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
was what I would call “ODM damu”. He believed in the ideals of his party and lived the ideals of his party. In the process, many might have misunderstood him. Every time we met, the only thing he asked me was: “My SG, how are you?” He was that jovial and had that way of fraternizing even with junior hon. Members in the House as in the last Parliament. When we came to the last Parliament, I think he was doing his third term and being a Minister, he would still have time with those of us, who were Backbenchers at that time. Hon. Speaker, I do not want to use many words, but to say that his death has been very shocking; it makes us realise that on this earth, we are only but temporary passengers. Thank you.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also wish to pass my heartfelt condolences to the family of Senator Otieno Kajwang’. Senator Kajwang’ is one of the people I respect so much because after my law school, he was one of my pupilage masters and taught me how to handle cases in court. I appeared with him at the time of the 1992 petitions after the first multiparty elections. He was a very jovial person. He was the one who believed that when you were a junior lawyer accompanying a senior lawyer, and you went for tea, it was the senior lawyer who paid for the tea. I learnt that from him. Senator Kajwang’ was a resident in my constituency and, on behalf of the people of Westlands, my family and myself, I wish to send my heartfelt condolences to the people of Mbita, the CORD Coalition, the ODM fraternity and also to hon. Members of this august House, because we have lost a dear friend, a good leader, a person who believed in the ideals of his party and respected the rules of the party; ODM. Senator Otieno Kajwang’ was a very jovial and humorous person. Wherever he was in political rallies, he would raise the mood even when people were not feeling that jovial. He would sing his Mapambano song . Senator Kajwang’s death is a big loss to us as a country, as a party and the people of Mbita have lost their leader and a great son of this nation. May his soul rest in eternal peace. Thank you.
Asante sana, Mhe. Spika. Nami pia nataka kutoa risala zangu za rambirambi kwa jamii ya Senator Otieno Kajwang’, seneta wa Homa Bay, kwa jamii yake pamoja na watu wote wa Homa Bay na Wakenya kwa ujumla. Risala zangu za rambirambi si zangu tu bali ni za eneo Bunge la Taveta na watu wake, ambao pia wanamfahamu Senator Otieno Kajwang’. Alipokuwa Waziri wa maswala ya uamiaji, alikuja mpaka kwetu Taveta mara kadhaa ili kutuwezesha kuwa na ofisi iliyofaa pale mpakani. Senator Kajwang’ alikuwa ni mtu wa kupenda utani. Ijapokuwa alikuwa anapenda utani, alikuwa ni mtu aliyechukulia kazi yake kwa bidii sana. Hivyo basi, nataka kuunga mkono wenzangu kwamba Mwenyezi Mungu amweke pahali pema peponi, na pale alipoenda afahamu kuwa ametuacha bado na mapambano ya kimaisha. Yeye ameenda mbele ya haki na ametutangulia ili kututengenezea njia.
Ninashukuru sana, Mhe. Spika. Hata mimi nachukua fursa hii kupeana rambirambi zangu kwa familia, jamaa na marafiki wa Senator Kajwang’. Kwa kweli, tumempoteza mtu shupavu, mtu mkakamavu, mtu ambaye alikuwa hana woga wowote; alizungumza kile ambacho alijua ni cha haki. Kwa kweli tumempoteza mtu aliyekuwa anapendwa na watu wengi. Nakumbuka hata katika mikutano yetu ya CORD The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
akiwa amefika ulipata kwamba kila mtu alimshangilia na huo mkutano hungeisha kabla hajapewa nafasi ya kuzumgumza maanake wananchi wangelazimisha aongee. Katika wimbo wake wa “bado mapambano”, lazima kuna kitu ambacho alikuwa anahisi kwamba hatujafikia. Kama ni kuhusu ukombozi, alimaanisha hatukuwa tumeupata. Kwa hivyo, wimbo huo, ametuachia sisi ambao ni wachanga kisiasa tuweze kujua kwamba hatujafika na bado tung’ang’ane ili Kenya iweze kuwa mahali pazuri. Kwa hivyo, tunaiombea jamii yake. Tunawaweka katika maombi kwa sababu huu ni wakati mgumu sana na bila nguvu za Mwenyezi Mungu, hawataweza. Sisi sote tuweze kusimama na wao kwa maombi. Ninaamini ya kwamba Mungu ataisimamisha familia yake.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to also send a message of condolence on behalf of the people of Bomet Central and on my own behalf for the sad demise of the late for Homa Bay. I have known the through politics for quite sometime. He was a man whom I really admired in the world of politics. We received the sad news of his death this morning. To the people of Homa Bay and his family, we send a message of condolences. We know they are grieving. We are together with the family. We wish them God’s blessing as they undergo the pain of losing the. We have all lost, as a country, a great man who was articulate and contributed greatly, as has been mentioned earlier, in the constitutional making. It is a great loss to this country. With those few remarks, thank you.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me the opportunity to pass my condolences to the family of the late Gerald Otieno Kajwang’, the for Homa Bay County. I also pass my heartfelt condolences to my brother, hon. T. J. Kajwang’, a learned friend like Otieno Kajwang’, who sits in the panel of Chairs. Since the late Tom Mboya died in 1969, we have never lost, as the people of Homa Bay County, a person so huge in leadership abilities. The people of Homa Bay are mourning. By coincidence, I wanted to tell the nation that both of them came from the great Mbita Constituency now being led by my niece, hon. Milie Odhiambo. Otieno Kajwang’ was a great believer in the rule of law and democracy, especially multi-party democracy. The people of this country will remember that he was expelled from university for leading a riot of students when members of the then Opposition party were barred from contesting elections. He was also a believer in multi-party democracy and discipline within parties. That put him at loggerheads with people many times. The remarkable feature of Otieno was that he never disagreed with you with teeth grinning. In fact, he was always humorous even when he told you that, as a party, they were going to deal with you. It is the humor we will need to search for. It is because of his belief in human rights, democracy and good governance that he joined those who fought for the new constitutional order. Indeed, when the people of Kenya were celebrating that with the advent of the new constitutional system we were home and dry, he never hesitated to remind us, as a people, that a mere constitutional document was not enough. He would, therefore, foment his signature song badomapambano to say that there was still much more to be done in terms of actualizing the ideals that we have in the constitutional document. He believed in a leadership based The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
service. For those who know Mbita Constituency and Homa Bay County, you will find many development initiatives named after Gerald Otieno Kajwang’ and coming after him. I know our party leader has lost a great confidant. As I end, I want to request the CORD Coalition that by the death of Gerald Otieno Kajwang’, knowing the role he played in our Coalition, we need to rearmour ourselves. Let us find those things which unite us more than those things which really divide us. Let us forge together in honour of Otieno Kajwang’ knowing truly and really badomapambano . Let us in all sense remember that you do things for a country. I am happy that the entire Parliament from the Opposition to the ruling party, the membership are saying that Otieno Kajwang’, even when he disagreed with you, was a good man. He was exuberant, jovial and happy. As the Member for Homa Bay Town Constituency, which is the gateway to the county, I welcome you all, on behalf of the people of Homa Bay County, to join us in sending off this great leader that we will surely miss. May God bless you. God rest his soul in eternal peace.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to pass my condolences for and on behalf of my people of Chuka/Igambangombe Constituency. I would like to pass my most sincere condolences to the family, the people of Homa Bay and Mbita. I would also like to convey my condolences to hon. T. J. Kajwang’, who is our colleague in the House. My first assignment out of this country when I came to Parliament was to Korea to represent the Energy Committee where we were supposed to visit nuclear power stations and assess nuclear energy as it was meant to be implemented by the Government of Kenya. That Committee joined with the Senate Committee where Otieno Kajwang’ was a Member. The Leader of the delegation was hon. Gideon Moi, the for Baringo County. Kajwang’ did not have political boundaries. When it came to his style of operation, he was so outgoing that he did not care which political divide one came from. I remember when we were very skeptical about visiting the nuclear plants, he joked about death in a way that made all of us feel a bit comfortable to actually visit those nuclear plants. We have not, in many years, as a Government, seen a politician who brings people together like Otieno Kajwang’. He would stimulate his crowd to actually dance. I would equate him to the President of South Africa, the dancing President, hon. Zuma, who dances his way to the hearts of the people of South Africa. When I and other Members had not come to this House, we remember Kajwang’ for being very passionate in his appeals on the Floor of this House. I remember him for his great expression that there is no passionomete r to measure passion in people who display passion in carrying out their duties. This is the kind of leadership and representation we are mourning today, as having lost one great leader of Homa Bay County.
With those few remarks, I would like to say that, as a nation, we have lost a great leader.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. From the outset, I would like to say that I have lost a great friend. I met Otieno Kajwang’ in October 1978 when he contested the position of Secretary-General of SONU in the University of Nairobi. I contested the vice- presidency of SONU and both of us were elected. A year later, in March 1980, he was expelled from the University of Nairobi alongside Mukhisa Kituyi and he went to The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Makerere. A year after that, I was expelled from the University of Nairobi and I went to the University on Dar-es- Saalam.
I want to say that Otieno Kajwang’ was a great democrat who will be missed across the aisle and was a person who did what he believed in. It is really strange that last night I was with him. We even shared a table for a long time; up to 8.30 p.m. at the Parliament Lounge. I want to say pole sana to the people of Mbita, hon. T. J. Kajwang’ and to the family. I would also like to say that as we mourn Kajwang’, let us do some soul searching. As Members of Parliament and of this House, how much can we accept to be ruthless with one another? I doubt if Kajwang’ would have accepted what has happened today. I hope and pray, like another member said, that for the sake of Kajwang’, let us suspend some of these things we are doing which injure one another. This is because today it will be me, tomorrow it will be you and the day after it could be the originator. I am saying this because we have gone on a road that nobody has tried before and one thing that I respected Kajwang’ for was that he could not condemn you unheard. Kajwang’ was a democrat. I remember one time when we were confronted by the police when we were at Uhuru Park. It took very few of us to be able to confront the police after they had killed seven young people in cold blood on Saba Saba day in 1997. So, all I say is that we need to be bold and allow dialogue in our Republic and more specifically in this House because if we do not do that, we will be a bad example to the Republic of Kenya and to the citizens of this country. With those few remarks, I say pole sana to the people of Mbita and pole sana to hon. Kajwang’s family. Thank you.
Hon. (Ms.) Kajuju, you have the Floor.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity, on my own behalf and on behalf of the great people of Meru County, to pass my condolences to the family of Gerald Otieno Kajwang’. In my visits to Homa Bay County, which I have done twice; each time I interacted with hon. Kajwang’, he would speak to me about politics and guide me as a brother. I speak about hon. Kajwang’ not just as a legislator but also as a senior learned colleague, who was my senior in the profession. He was a good lawyer when he served the great people that he served in disputes. Hon. Speaker, hon. T. J. Kajwang’ is a brother to the deceased. Not only is hon. T.J. Kajwang’ a learned friend and a friend of mine, but he is a classmate whom I was in school with since 1989. I spoke to hon. Kajwang’ today and I share the pain he felt for the loss of a brother whom he has told us severally that he was his political mentor and his mentor in the profession of law. So, I want to tell hon. T.J. Kajwang’ today that we share in his pain. We are there to walk with you as sisters and brothers and whatever support you require from us, we shall be there to give it. However, even as Gerald Otieno Kajwang’ has left us, let us also look at what he has done; the loyalty he had for his party and the way he felt Kenya should be governed. Let us remember him for the good things he did because he did good for Kenya. We shall The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
always remember him and shall be there to offer whatever little we can, to make the lives of those he has left behind better. May his soul rest in eternal peace! Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to condole my great friend. I am trying to look for what to say within the three minutes. Let me start by saying that this is probably the second greatest Suba to lose his life after the death of Tom Joseph Mboya in 1969. I know many Subas who have died, but the truth is that this is the second greatest Suba, after Tom Joseph Mboya. I knew Otieno Kajwang’ in 1992 when I was at the University of Nairobi. I remember we travelled with Kajwang’ in his car to Mbita to conduct nominations for FORD Kenya in October 1992. When we arrived, the crowd demanded that he should be the candidate. He was in a jeans trouser and people said, “You are the young man, we want you. We do not want these elderly people”. Otieno Kajwang’ turned it down and conducted the nomination where the late Omolo Pere, became the MP for Mbita Constituency, as it was known then. That time Mbita included my constituency. Fast forward, I remember again in 1996 when we started working very closely with Otieno Kajwang’. The day before the National Development Party (NDP) was formed, on the eve of 1997, we were with Otieno Kajwang’ together with a group of university students. Otieno Kajwang’ asked us what we needed to do given that there were controversies around the leadership of FORD Kenya. We advised him that Raila should form another party because already the government of the day had infiltrated FORD Kenya party. Otieno Kajwang’ laughed and said that was his idea and the following day we would see a serious announcement. That is what we saw. Hon. Speaker, unknown to this House, if it were not for Senator Otieno Kajwang’, probably I would not be in this House. Why am I saying so? After I had won my nomination, because I was not very well known in the party hierarchy, I was actually almost denied the nomination paper. Even after I had been given the nomination certificate, someone else was again given the same certificate. It was the intervention of the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’ that made me succeed to be a Member of Parliament. Hon. Speaker, I can see my time is up, but allow me to say one thing before I sit down. Before Senator Otieno Kajwang’ became a, I went to his office thrice and he was very reluctant; insisting the he has to run--- Just one minute, hon. Speaker.
You have one minute, hon. Ng’ongo.
I want to conclude by saying that I actually called Senator Otieno Kajwang’ my project for Senate. He used to tell people that he was my project. As I wind up, I want to mention that all the Members of Parliament from Homa Bay County in the 10th Parliament did not support Senator Otieno Kajwang’ for Senate. I supported him and I do not regret it. Why? Because he was someone who was passionate, principled and someone you would leave here today and find him. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Hon. Katoo, you have the Floor.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also want to take this opportunity, on my own behalf and on behalf of the people of Kajiado South, to send my condolences The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
and sympathies to the family, friends and the people of Homa Bay for the very sudden demise of our brother, Senator Otieno Kajwang’. I have known the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’ since 2003, when I joined this House. That was his second term and we served in the last Cabinet. We were the last political ministers to be appointed to the Cabinet. I can say that he was a very humble, honest and democratic leader. As many have said, he was fearless and he did not really shy away from saying the truth or from speaking his mind. It has been said that the contributions that the late made in this House, Senate and even outside this House, were very lively. Whenever the late rose to speak, he was a crowd puller. He would make the whole crowd very lively. Hon. Speaker, I want to end by saying that the late died while serving this nation. If you followed the contribution the late was giving yesterday in the Senate, just three hours before he met his death, he was contributing on the issue of security in this country. The proposal the late gave on the amendment of the National Police Service Bill in terms of ensuring that there is enhanced security and protection for Kenyans and their property, you can say he died serving this country. Therefore, I want to join my colleagues in sending my condolences and sympathies to his friends, the people of Homa Bay and Kenyans at large. To the family, we share the pain, we share the grief and we are mourning together. I was saying earlier that Senator Otieno Kajwang’ belonged more to this House than the Senate because he has served in this House for uninterrupted 15 years. It is not really an easy task to get three terms uninterrupted and therefore we owe, as a House, a lot of honour to the people of Mbita as the constituency then and--- Hon. Speaker: Your time is up.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity. On my own behalf, my family, the people of Mbita that I serve and on behalf of Homa Bay County where I also serve as the Chair of the Parliamentarians, I take this opportunity to offer my condolences to the family, relatives and friends of Senator Otieno Kajwang’. I was shocked to learn about his demise today at 1.00 a.m. when we rushed to hospital and confirmed our worst fears. I knew Senator Kajwang’ under different categories. First, Senator Kajwang’ and I share a common great grandmother from Koloo Kanyala in Rusinga Island. It is therefore a shock for us at a family level. He was a very close relative and a friend to our family. I also knew Senator Kajwang’ as a very astute lawyer: Just at the beginning of my career when I served as a State Counsel, I had the privilege of serving with him in the Electoral Petition Court where he distinguished himself not only as an astute lawyer but also as a very fearless Opposition lawyer at a time when people feared to speak. During the 1997 Elections when it was perceived that Senator Kajwang’ was facing a political challenge, I was invited by my brother, Dan Harrison who is a very good friend of Senator Otieno Kajwang’ to come and assist hon. Senator Kajwang’ with his campaign. I was not a politician; I was reluctant but that was my debut into politics where I served as the chairperson of his campaign in 1997 and when he successfully retained his seat. Thereafter, I was the coordinator of a presidential Western Kenya campaign team where I, together with him, hon. Oburu and several other Members of Parliament campaigned for our party in the Rift valley, Nyanza and Western Kenya. I was thereafter nominated and we served with him in this House. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
I last saw him in Oyugis where he did what he was excellent at: Serving the party with a lot of humour and with a lot of joy. I, therefore, want to say it is unfortunate, it is shocking and may the Lord place his soul in eternal peace. I also take this opportunity to wish the father a quick recovery. May God bless us; may God bless the people of Mbita.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also wish to join my voice with those of my colleagues in eulogising Senator Otieno Kajwang’. I know Senator Kajwang’ as an astute lawyer and a member of the Law Society of Kenya (LSK). I have known him since my days in practice; actually since my days in high school. I read a lot about him during my time at the university. I was very impressed by him during the second liberation. He is one of the people who fought for the second liberation. He is a good politician and it is not easy really to lose a politician like the . I therefore wish to pass my sincere condolences; those of my family; those of the people of Ol Jorok and by extension the people of the county of Nyandarua. We are celebrating the life of the late but we need to remind ourselves that even as we celebrate, we need to know what we shall be remembered for. The death of our friend automatically reminds us of our own demise. So we must dance when we can, like Senator Kajwang’ did. We must do what we must do. We must be astute. We must take with fervor what we are doing in politics and we must also learn from him. I wish to say that in the legal profession we have lost a very senior advocate. He was humorous as we should be and he was not divisive. So, let us learn from him; let us not be divisive; let us be one even in his demise. I wish finally to give my most sincere condolences to my learned friend and brother, hon. T.J Kajwang’.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Let me also add my voice and heart to sending my condolences to the family of the late, my friend Senator Otieno Kajwang’. It has been said here that the father of Senator Kajwang’ also got a shock and got a heart attack on receipt of the news of his demise. I spoke to people who are at his bedside in Kisumu and they said he is well and recovering: That is by way of information that he is doing well. On Friday, Senator Kajwang’ was involved in a road accident; a serious one. His car, the vehicle he was travelling in to Homa Bay County, a place called Oyugis, rolled a couple of times. Fortunately he had his seat belt on. His bodyguard broke an arm and the driver was seriously injured. So, it was death that was coming. In fact, when Senator Kajwang’ addressed the ODM meeting in a place called Sikri, he even quoted a Bible verse but said he believed that the power of the Lord had saved him from death. That was last Friday and this is a very grim reminder. Only yesterday was one year anniversary of my late friend George Thuo, who was with us here. I find it very difficult that Senator Kajwang’ just like George Thuo was with me like on a Thursday before he died on a Sunday. Yesterday as I was whipping hon. Members to come to the House Business Committee (House Business Committee), I met Kajwang’ walking into the Lounge. It is sad because at exactly midnight at around 12.08 a.m. I got a phone call from hon. Junet Mohamed that hon. Kajwang’ had died.
Hon. Midiwo can get an extra one minute.
It is okay. I just wanted to remind this House that we do not know what will happen tomorrow and that God gives life and takes it. I wish to say that we The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
want the family to stay and be protected by the power of the Lord during these trying times. Hon. Speaker, I have only one last thing: As you have said in your Communication, hon. Kajwang’ was a good person to have on one’s side politically. I remember when the former Prime Minister said “ Kibaki Tosha ”, I saw the true element of hon. Kajwang’ in that campaign. In fact, when we campaigned all over Nyanza, hon. Kajwang’ convinced the Luos who nobody knew could vote for Kibaki. He put so much humour in it. I think that humour belongs to hon. Kajwang’ only. We shall miss that kind of humour for a very long time. Hon. Speaker, may the Lord rest his soul in eternal peace. I thank you.
Hon. Moroto. I know you do not have your card.
Thank you very much, hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Kapenguria and the entire Pokot people, I want to stand with the people of Mbita and Homa Bay County as a whole. Hon. Speaker, you remember what hon. Kajwang’ did two or three days ago when the people of Tiaty were being harassed up and down by the law enforcers who were sent there to go and follow those who killed the young men who were in uniform. However, instead of going for those people, these armed forces went to the markets and destroyed properties and razed the economy of the people of Tiaty to ashes. That is when other people here were celebrating but it is the likes of hon. Kajwang’ alone who stood up and requested for the immediate withdrawal of the armed forces from there. Hon. Speaker, God heard his voice and prayers and things are now moving well there especially after the intervention of His Excellency the President and other leaders in this country. Hon. Speaker, I have known the late hon. Kajwang’ when he was a Member of Parliament. I came and met him here and we worked with him very well. He came to West Pokot and it is just recently when I learnt that he comes from a minority ethnic group. That is why today the minority communities in Kenya have lost a great man. We need to pray more so that we can get others who can stand on their feet and support these people. This is because nobody cares about the kind of oppression we are getting as a group, especially we the people of the North Rift. If we can get some leaders like hon. Kajwang’, I know we will move further. He was representing people in courts even without asking for money, especially when he knew that they had nothing. He sacrificed and stood for those people unlike other lawyers who are always after something small. Hon. Speaker, I also want to say that as the people of this nation, we know that our friend is gone and there is no way we can return him. Let us articulate issues that are affecting Kenyans. Now, there is a lot of drought all over and people are dying of hunger. You have seen what is happening in Turkana, especially in Kakuma where refugees come and rule and bring their problems into our side here. Nobody is speaking including those who rule this Republic and leaders from the North Eastern area of Kenya. Hon. Speaker, this is when we now need some people to come up and champion the rights of Kenyans as a whole without any segregation. I join the family and stand with them. May God place his soul in eternal peace. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Hon. Abdikadir Omar.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I wish to join my colleagues in sending my condolences. On behalf of the people Balambala Constituency and to the family of the late hon. Otieno Kajwang’, I want to say that indeed Kenya has lost a very able leader. He was a staunch believer in a good future for this country. Hon. Speaker, I have had the honour of serving with hon. Kajwang’ at least in the last two years where we were working very closely with him on the issues and matters concerning our coalition. We spent many days and nights out there as we were going about strategising for the future of our coalition. I can tell you that I got to know a man who wishes this country well. When I asked him when he will stop singing his “ Mapambano ” he said that he will stop singing “ Mapambano ” the day he believes that Kenya will have achieved full democracy and true implementation of good governance. He was not a person who would easily be pulled away by either ethnic or political affiliations. He meant well for all of us and the generations of Kenyans to come. I must say that it is a very sad day. I want to condole the people of Mbita and Homa Bay County very much. Indeed, they have lost a leader whom we agree that he was probably only comparable to the likes of Tom Mboya, as my good friend, hon. John Mbadi, has said. I want to say that those of us who have had an opportunity to work closely with him and the many Kenyans he has worked for, we sincerely wish to thank him very much. On behalf of the people of northern Kenya, I want to say that in his time as a Minister for Immigration, he was the first Minister who abolished the very unfortunate discrimination against Somali Kenyans in terms of getting their national identity cards and passports. We acknowledge and appreciate it and we sincerely thank him for that work. On this very sad day, we stand to console with the family and friends and particularly hon. T. J. Kajwang’, our colleague who has lost his very able brother. With those few remarks, hon. Speaker, I sincerely console the family of the late hon. Otieno Kajwang’.
Hon. Yusuf Chanzu.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for the opportunity to also send my condolences to the family of the late hon. Gerald Otieno Kajwang’ and the people of Mbita Constituency whom he represented in Parliament from 1997 to 2013 and Homa Bay County where he has been serving as . Hon. Speaker, I knew hon. Kajwang’ between 1997 and 1998 when we were elected to this House. The first time I met him I found him to be a very friendly gentleman. In fact, I had a relative who had a case in court and he volunteered to go and help. It was somebody who had died and there was a problem of getting the body removed so that it could be buried. All this time, I have found hon. Kajwang’ to be very friendly, courageous and a humorous person, the way my colleagues have said. I think it became much clearer when we got to this time of the second liberation when there was a clear division involving the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) Party and the Party of National Unity (PNU). During the famous merger around 2001, because of that good relationship at Kasarani, I was asked to propose Kajwang’ as the legal secretary for the merger. He came out very brave and very courageous. He was a very brilliant leader who knew what to do The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
at what time. He was endowed with good communication skills. He was able to fit in every group that he associated with. When he became the Minister for Immigration and Registration of Persons, there was nothing that he did that was in abuse of the Ministry. Some people did a lot of funny things, but for the time he was there, it was very peaceful. When you met him, you would not know that he was a Cabinet Minister. I want to say pole to our colleague, hon. Kajwang’, who is also a very pleasant person.
Hon. Mike Onyura.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me this chance to talk on behalf of the people of Butula. I wish to pass our condolences to the people of Homa Bay County, Kajwang’s family and all Kenyans. As a country, we have lost a very good person, likeable and a patriot. Looking through his life history, he was doing all these things because he loved this country. Right from the time of his student politics through to the days of multi-party campaign; the second liberation and even when he served as a Minister, everything he did was because he loved this country and wanted the best for it. He was a brilliant politician, very simple and easy to get along with, with a high sense of humor. He was a very good public speaker, organizer and mobiliser. We all know that whenever the Mapambano song was sung or heard of, people automatically associated it with him. The whole country associated this song with him. They liked it and liked him for that. I remember one time when he came to attend a funeral in Busia, after he had made his comments, as he was turning to go and sit, the mourners reminded him that he had forgotten to sing Mapambano . In his usual humorous way, he turned back to the microphone and just sang the first three words. Though it was a funeral, everybody laughed and clapped. He was the kind of person that was likeable in that manner. So, I say pole to the family, all Kenyans and the people of Homa Bay on behalf of the people of Butula Constituency.
Hon. Opiyo Wandayi.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also want to join my colleagues in condoling with the family and friends of my good friend, Kajwang’. I came to know him about 22 years ago to be exact, in 1992 when I was a student at the University of Nairobi. He was such a nice person that he was able to mingle even with his juniors with a lot of ease. I later worked with him in FORD(K) when I was a student at the university. Indeed, at one point when I was the Secretary General of the Students and Youth Congress of FORD(K), he was my mentor. Many at times, we would walk to his law firm offices at the National Housing Corporation House on Aga Khan Walk. He was a great mentor to many university students. He was known to be extremely principled. If he believed in a course, he truly believed in it. I remember when we decamped from FORD(K) to the NDP, he was at the forefront in early 1996. Later, he contested and won with a lot of ease his Mbita seat in 1997 on an NDP ticket. He retained his seat for three terms in a row. That is a testimony to the fact that he was a true man of the people. I happen to have met him briefly yesterday, a few hours before he died, at the Members Lounge. He was in his true element, jovial as ever. I can only take this opportunity to wish his family well and pray to God to give them all the strength that they need at this very trying moment. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. ole Ntutu.
Asante sana, Bw. Spika kwa nafasi hii. Najiunga na wenzangu kutuma rambirambi kwa familia ya ndugu yetu Kajwang’. Kwa niaba ya watu wa eneo Bunge la Narok na Kaunti ya Narok, tunasema poleni sana kwa kumpoteza ndugu yetu Kajwang’. Mimi nilimjua Kajwang’ tulipokuwa tukitengeneza Katiba ya Kenya. Alikuwa anazungumzia sana kuhusu sheria. Wengine wetu ambao wakati huo tulikuwa bado tunafanya kazi katika Serikali, alikuwa anataka tupate Katiba ambayo itawasaidia Wakenya kwa siku zijazo. Nilipokuwa nikifanya kazi Malindi alipokuwa Waziri wa Uhamiaji alikuja Malindi akitaka kujua ni nini kilichokuwa kikiendelea huko. Alipoingia mkutanoni, alituuliza ni kwa nini tulikuwa tumekunja nyuso zetu kama watu ambao walikuwa wamekasirika. Kabla ya kucheka, yeye alianza kucheka. Alitufurahisha kwa sababu aliwapenda watu ambao walikuwa wakifanya kazi kwa Serikali. Aliipenda kazi yake na alikuwa anaifahamu vyema. Sisi ambao tumejiunga naye katika Bunge hili, tunamjua kama mtu ambaye akizungumza katika baraza lolote la kisiasa, aliwafurahisha watu. Kwa hayo machache, namwomba Mwenyezi Mungu amuweke marehemu pahali pema peponi.
Eng. Nicholas Gumbo.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me the opportunity to join my colleagues in expressing my condolences to our departed colleague. On my own behalf and that of the people of Rarieda and my own family, I wish to extend my heartfelt condolences to the family of our brother, the late Gerald Otieno Kajwang’. I am among the last people who shared a platform with him on Friday when we had our discussion as ODM in Homa Bay. He was ebullient as usual and in very high spirits. A lot has been said about him. I do not want to repeat what my colleagues have said except to say that in the death of Kajwang’, the people of Kenya, the CORD fraternity, ODM, Homa Bay County and Mbita have lost a true maverick. I want to correct what was said by my good friend, hon. Mbadi. Kajwang’ actually came from Rarieda Constituency. So, he is not a Suba. Having said that, we all have a lot to learn from him. In most of his political pronouncements, he quoted extensively from the Bible. What I learnt from him is that he lived by the Bible verse which says that you either blow hot or cold, but never lukewarm. That is what we, as politicians, stand to learn from this maverick true son of Kenya, true defender of justice and democracy and a real ODM steward. In the death of Kajwang’, we, as the CORD fraternity, have lost a soldier you can depend on. I was with him on Friday, it is so sad because it feels we went to battle together, but unfortunately, my brother got felled by the weighing side. May the Almighty God rest his soul in eternal peace.
Hon. Kisoi, the Floor is yours.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to condole the family of the late Otieno Kajwang’. His demise is really a big shock, not only to the people of Mbita and Homa Bay County but to Kenya at large. The late Otieno Kajwang’, is one of politicians who aspired many of us to be in politics because of his humour and courage. He was so passionate with whatever he used The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
to do. What is laudable about him is that, he inspired our colleague, hon. Tom J. Kajwang’, whom in a special way, I want to send condolences from the people of Mbooni Constituency and Makueni County at large through him. I want to tell him that we will support him. The late Otieno Kajwang’ is one person who will not go away from the face of this nation, for having fought for democratic space in this country. He is also seriously known for fighting for good governance in this country. He is an icon in the political field and he still had a promising political career. On behalf of the people of Mbooni Constituency and my family, I want to tell the family to feel condoled, we will pray for you, we will support you and for the soul of the departed, may he rest in peace. Thank you.
Hon. Anyango, the Floor is yours.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to convey my condolences and those of my family to the family, friends, relatives and colleagues of hon., Otieno Kajwang’. I want to say that my family was very close to the late Kajwang’. We got a telephone call at 1.43 a.m. yesterday. I had a serious situation in my house. My wife cried uncontrollably for over 30 minutes recounting her sympathies with Mrs. Kajwang’ and reciting how helpful, supportive, effective, trustworthy and committed the late Otieno Kajwang’ has always been. We were together in the same cabinet with hon. the late Otieno Kajwang’. He is one person who knows when a good idea should yield a better idea, the way hon. late Kijana Wamalwa used to say it. All this period, over two decades, I have had the chance to be on the same side with the late Otieno Kajwang’ and also on the opposite sides. When you are on the same side, he is a good partner to be with, but when he is on the opposite side he is a terrible and formidable opponent to work with. It is a big loss to the ODM leadership in our greater South Nyanza. We used to have this pride with him that, what is good for Suba people should also be good for Kuria people, and what is good for the people in Kasipul-Kabondo Constituency should be good for people of Rongo Constituency. Many a times he respected me in a unique way. Given the age, experience and at least the ability to analyze issues, he was capable of absorbing all these and was helpful in so many ways whenever I was attacked. Therefore, privately he would tell you the truth but in the open he would bring the drama, to achieve any other specific purposes. I convey my condolences to this great man, who knew when to joke and when to be serious. May the Lord rest his soul in eternal peace. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Hon. Shidiye, the Floor is yours.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. From the outset, I take this opportunity on behalf of myself, my family and the people of Lagdera Constituency to console, sympathize and empathize with the family. Indeed, it is a sad day for this country, having lost the late Otieno Kajwang’. He was a lawyer, singer, dancer, poet, actor, writer, debater, story teller and above all he was a sage for the people. We have lost a great man who really could have been a replacement to hon. Raila Odinga. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
The late Otieno Kajwang’ and I had known each other for a long time. I learnt him better when I lost my elections. I had an opportunity of going to his office when he was the Minister for Immigration and Registration of persons and I saw him carry out a lot of reforms in that department. For a long time, the Department of Immigration had been the most corrupt institution, but he brought a lot of changes which brought good things to the people of my constituency. They were able to get identity cards and passports easily. People became happy. He was the most open person I have ever seen in my life as a politician. He was an extraordinary man. He had worn elections four consecutive times. He was a thinker and a man of the people. When you look at his career and his behavior, you will never think that he was a Cabinet Secretary or a Member of Parliament at one time. He was so ordinary. He could melt into the people and stay with them. Money was not an issue to the late Otieno Kajwang’; when he had it, he would give you. When he did not have, he would ask it from you. He was generous. I am really saddened by this. I learnt about his death last night at 2.00 a.m. Incidentally, I woke up and went to the washroom. When I came back, I asked myself what time it could be, I put my phone on and the first message I got was that of the death of Otieno Kajwang’. It is a sad day for this country and particularly the people of Mbita and Homa Bay constituencies. I pray for his family. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu, the Floor is yours.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to add my voice. On behalf of the people of Kibwezi East, I send condolences to the family, relatives, friends and the citizens of Kenya, following the death of the late Otieno Kajwang’. He was a distinguished parliamentarian who grasped the rules of the House and coupled with his humorous debating skills, served his people well. He was an accomplished lawyer and not just a law maker. I want to pass our support to one of us. I serve in the Speaker’s Panel together with our loved brother, hon. T. J. Kajwang’. I want to tell him that this House is there to support him now until the end. Hon. Speaker, yesterday at 6.45 p.m. before I joined Members of the House Business Committee (HBC) I had the opportunity to shake the hand of Kajwang’ and little did I know that today we will be speaking differently of him. This has taught me and, of course, others that at any time and any place, we can be no more. Kenyans will miss him because of his jokes. He is remembered because of his Mapambano song which he sung with humour. All Kenyans; young and old will remember Kajwang’ for the
song. I wish I could sing; “ Bado mapambano mapambano. ” I do not know if it is allowed in the House. Hon Speaker, we pray that the Lord grants Kajwang’ perfect peace. Thank you.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Kibra Constituency, I take this opportunity to express our heartfelt condolences to the family of the late Kajwang’, especially to his brother hon. T.J Kajwang’, who is the Member of Parliament of Ruaraka Constituency in Nairobi. We pray that God will grant that family the love and understanding to stay united in this trying time and give them the strength The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
and his power to protect them and the light to guide them as they figure out the meaning of it all. It is a great loss for this country and I want to just say that there are a lot of great things in how Kajwang’ carried himself over a long career in politics that many of us who were new and young in politics can learn. I pray for his soul to rest in eternal peace. Thank you.
Member for Jomvu.
Asante sana Mheshimiwa Spika. Mimi naungana na viongozi wenzangu siku hii ya leo kwa niaba yangu mwenyewe na familia yangu na kwa niaba ya wananchi wangu wote wa eneo Bunge la Jomvu kutoa rambirambi kwa kifo cha Mheshimiwa Otieno Kajwang’. Leo ni siku ya huzuni sana katika nchi yetu ya Kenya. Nikisema hivyo nachukua yale ambaye niko nayo mimi mwenyewe binafsi juu ya Mheshimiwa Otieno Kajwang’. Miaka mitatu iliyopita nilikuwa kinara wa chama cha ODM katika eneo Bunge la Changamwe. Wakati huo tulifanya kazi pamoja tukishirikiana sote pamoja, na vile vile katika uchaguzi uliopita hivi punde. Yale ambayo yaliweza kutokea kwangu mimi mwenyewe binafsi, katika watu ambao waliniita na kuniambia “pambana, endelea mbele na usife moyo,” mmoja ni Mheshimiwa Otieno Kajwang’. Leo ninasema kuwa hii ni funzo kubwa katika ulimwengu kwa ajili jana mwenzetu kiongozi alikuwa mzima na leo hii tunazungumza akiwa yuko mahali pengine. Kwa hivyo, mimi mwenyewe binafsi na familia yangu na eneo Bunge langu la Jomvu nasema kuwa tunaomboleza pamoja na watu wote na familia zao ili Mungu aweze kumweka mahali pema peponi. Shukrani sana na Mwenyezi Mungu amweke mahali pema.
Member for Emurua Dikirr
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also wish to voice my heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of the late. A great philosopher once said: “Immortality lies not in the things that you leave behind but in the hearts of the people you touched.” I think we all remember the late Kajwang’, especially on how he touched our lives. We do not know how much he has done or what he did in his constituency. We do not know much about his family. Even some of us do not even care to know even about his academic background. However, the way he touched us, the way he motivated us and dealt with life is what has left us wondering how such a person, young as he was can be nipped. I also came to know hon. Otieno Kajwang’ in rallies when I was once a serious contester in the former powerful party of ODM, when I used to be a very serious member. He used to teach me on how to sometimes turn the crowd which could have been hostile into a lively crowd. He was just everything. I wish also to say that hon. Otieno Kajwang’ made serious contributions to this House in legislations, oversight and also representation. When hon. Otieno Kajwang’ was the Minister for Immigration and Registration of Persons, that Ministry was riddled with a lot of corruption, with ghosts of the past. Although hon. Otieno Kajwang’ did not clean that particular Ministry, I think he made serious changes. He was a member of ODM and I must confess that he was the face of humanity in ODM. The ODM we know now is also riddled with problems and chaos and I think it was only hon. Otieno Kajwang’ who could give life and breath to that party. We will really miss him for the many things he did. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Members, it was the desire of the leadership that we go up to 5.00 pm which is the time now. However, I still have 33 more requests. If we could limit the time we take further in giving our messages of condolences, I am inclined to extend because not many of you know that the late Otieno Kajwang’ and I share along history from our days as students in the University of Nairobi (UoN) and as leaders in the University Students Movement. For that reason, I am inclined to extend time in his honour also. However, try to be brief so that we can have as many of you express your condolences. The hon. (Prof.) Nyikal.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me the opportunity to condole with the family of the late hon. Gerald Otieno Kajwang’. The people of Mbita, Homa Bay and Kenya at large are sad. I first met Kajwang’ when his first child was born and I was the pediatrician; I immediately recognised him as a unique person. Not long after that, he was our guide.
He was our guide during the clamour for registration of the University Academic Staff Union (UASU). Gibson Kamau Kuria and hon. Kajwang’ gave us the strength and guidance in the mind frame that the judicial system in Kenya was at the time. Eventually, UASU was registered. I think all university lecturers and the students of the university feel the importance of UASU. That was the work of hon. Otieno Kajwang’. He has made massive contribution in the politics of this country, both in Government and in Opposition; both in Parliament and outside. His legendary humour symbolised in the song Mapambano and perhaps internalised in the same was often used to mobilise crowds, to engage crowds and to focus and re-focus crowds in a manner that I have never seen before, and I do not think we will see again. He often did so in an entertaining manner that always belied the seriousness of the situation. He was a self-made man. We shall miss him greatly. Mau God rest his soul in eternal peace!
Yes, hon. Keynan.
Hon. Speaker, I also stand to join my colleagues on my own behalf, on behalf of my family and the people of Wajir in sending my condolences to the people of Homa Bay County, Mbita Constituency and the family of the late hon. Otieno Kajwang’. I was first elected in 1997 and the first person I shared my payslip with in the first week of February, 1998 was the late Gerald Otieno Kajwang’. The reason was that we were very young then and I wanted to share with the Members that our payslips read a gross salary of Ksh.56,000. Maybe, it is something for us to reflect on. I have known the late hon. Kajwang’ as a firm, consistent, predictable and humorous person. In every aspect, he was hilarious in whatever he did. Today we are here as a House and family, mourning one of our colleagues. There are three things that we must learn: tolerance in our public discourse, perseverance in our political engagement and humility in our day-to-day activities. I want all of us to remember that we are here as members of the same family because fate has brought us here together. So, in whatever we do, we should remember not to push our colleague too far because we are members of the same family. Hon. Speaker, the Quran says that every soul shall taste death. As a Muslim, I believe that predestination is one of the six articles of faith. Therefore, every soul shall The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
taste death one day. Sometimes we disagree. That is why, we, Muslims, do not call death “untimely” because we know that the giver of the gift of life shall withdraw it at any time. I want to request you, as the Chair of the Parliamentary Honours Committee - I know that between now and 12th December, you are likely to sit on behalf of our colleagues to recommend the honouring of the late Gerald Otieno Kajwang’ posthumously. As an institution, we also acknowledge the contributions of the late hon. Kajwang’ not only to this Parliament but also to previous Parliaments.
Hon. Members, I have just extended the time. Please, can you stick to the point? Yes, hon. Agostino Neto.
Hon. Speaker, first, I would like to thank you for being magnanimous and extending the time for this particular condolences period. On my own behalf, on behalf of the people of Ndhiwa and on behalf of the Parliamentary Human Rights Association that I convene, I wish to pass condolences to the family, friends, the Senate and entire country for the loss of Otieno Kajwang’. My last moment with hon. Kajwang’ was at 8.30 p.m. last evening at the Members Lounge, where we chatted. I had a long conversation with him, as my, in the Members Lounge. When I was called at 1.00 a.m. to be informed of his death, it explained to me how elusive this thing called “life” is all about, because we had just had very interesting moments together for such a long time. Hon. Speaker, since 1.00 am, we have been with his family at the Mater Hospital. I joined the family for the whole morning up to about 8.00 a.m., when the body was transferred to the Lee Funeral Home. The sort of eulogy that mourners went to pour on the late hon. Kajwang’ at the Mater Hospital shows that he was a man of exemplary character. It was emotional, moving and the longest couple of hours I have ever spent in any particular morning. It is a great man that we lost. My first meeting with hon. Kajwang’ was in 1992 when Ndhiwa was having a by- election. He was at that point campaigning for the FORD Kenya candidate. The then Member for Parliament had defected to KANU. It is the boldness of character and the sort of questions that they were asking that made politics then look very appetising. Hon. Orengo and he ended up in prison for a couple of days, having talked very badly about the Moi regime. That made our politics look very attractive. That is how some of us ended up in those particular regimes. Hon. Speaker, I would like to speak very much but because time is running out, I would just like to say that hon. Kajwang’ achieved several great things, which makes it possible for some of us who will live long after him to appreciate that it is possible to achieve so much. The only thing that follows mourners in a particular funeral is the character of a man. I hope that the character of hon. Kajwang’; loyalty and bravery, will follow us in a couple of days. Like all those gone before, hon. Kajwang’ now belongs to the ages and may he rest in peace!
Yes, hon. Iringo.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to add my voice to this important Motion. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
On my own behalf and my family, and on behalf of the residents of Igembe Central, let me take this opportunity to pass my condolences to the people of Homa Bay and the family of hon. Otieno Kajwang’ for this great loss, which is also a great loss to our nation. Hon. Kajwang’ is a household name in Kenya especially because of his humour. Many people know him because of his Mapambano slogan, which even young people who did not know him used to enjoy whenever he was on stage. He was a crowd mover to the extent that even if the crowd was demoralised or dampened, he would rise to the occasion and wake them up. We were at the Bomas of Kenya when I first met him, planning an ODM rally. Everybody was asleep by around 2.00 a.m. but when he started singing, everybody stood up and started dancing. I found him a great crowd mover. It is sad that he passed on. It is unfortunate that we cannot do anything about it. We all know how we come to this world but only God knows how we leave it. Our legacies and the good things that we have been doing are what we leave behind. Let the good deeds of hon. Kajwang’ remain with us, so that we can emulate them. On the same token, I would like to call for tolerance amongst the membership of our party; ODM, especially amongst those who managed to become Members of Parliament even in areas where the party is totally unknown. The leadership of the party should know that their actions might be destroying the party, and not building it.
Thank you, hon. Speaker and may the soul of Otieno Kajwang’ rest in peace.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for this chance. I knew the late Otieno Kajwang’ as a friend and a schoolmate. Therefore, on behalf of the people of Trans Nzoia, the people of Kwanza Constituency, whom I represent and the FORD(K) Party, which is affiliated to the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) in Kwanza and Trans Nzoia branches, I want to take this opportunity to thank the people for having given Kajwang’ time to be exposed to people. He, as several people have said, was somebody who was known to everybody. Those who missed his lively rallies actually missed a lot. I was with him in one of the rallies in Bungoma when we were campaigning during the by-election of Senator Wetangula. He made the crowd create a stampede. After four days, Senator Wetangula garnered quite a number of votes because of what he did to encourage the people. He was a good politician. He was a brilliant singer with his flying whisk, which was his trademark. I want to take this opportunity to send my condolences to his family, the people of Mbita and Homa Bay at large. The Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (CORD) has lost somebody who unified us. Anytime we had problems, he was the guy who would come to help us. We hope to find somebody else who will be able to help the party. Above all, we will miss Senator Kajwang’.
Asante sana, Bw. Spika kwa nafasi hii. Kwa niaba yangu na wakaazi wa Eneo Bunge la Rabai, nasema pole. Natoa risala za rambirambi kwa familia ya Senator Kajwang’, hasa nikimtambua ndugu yangu, mhe. T.J. Kajwang’, akiwa ameachiwa hatamu za familia hii. Nasema pole kwa wakaazi wote wa Kaunti ya Homa Bay kwa kumpoteza kiongozi wao ambaye walimuenzi mpaka wakampa kura zote. Nataka kuwaambia kwamba kifo cha Senator Otieno Kajwang’ hakiombolezwi na familia na watu wa Kaunti ya Homa Bay peke yao. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Alikuwa kiongozi wa Kenya nzima. Kila mmoja alimtambua, hasa wakati wa Katiba. Kwa hivyo, msiba huu unaombolezwa Kenya nzima. Nataka wajisikie kwamba wako na wenzi wao wakati huu mgumu. Basi kwa hayo machache, letu ni kumwombea mwenzetu aliyeenda kwamba Mwenyezi Mungu aiweke roho yake mahali pema peponi na aweze kuifariji familia na wale wote wa karibu walioachwa.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Today is a very sad day, indeed. On behalf of the people of Uriri and the people of Migori County, I would like to extend our heartfelt condolences to the family of the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’. We were saddened by the news of the passing on of the late Otieno Kajwang’ which we received at around 2 a.m. last night. My deepest sympathies go to my friend hon. T.J. Kajwang’, who is a colleague in Parliament, the family of the late Otieno Kajwang’ and the people of Homa Bay County in general. May God give the family comfort and peace during this trying moment. We have lost an accomplished politician. He had very unique soft skills. He was able to build teams very easily. He was able to pull crowds. He was an articulate leader. A man with skills to mobilize even people you may think cannot be easily mobilized. We were with him on Friday at a meeting in Sikri in Oyugis, which was anticipated to be stormy. Through his skills, he moderated the crowds and we talked and reached a compromise. We have lost a great leader. He was a pillar in CORD as a Coalition. His loss will leave a gap that may not be easy to fill. He was a staunch supporter of ODM Party and the ODM leader, the Right Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga. Indeed, we have lost a great Kenyan and we pray that God rests his soul in eternal peace.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Samburu, my family and myself, I would like to join my colleagues, people of the greater Suba community and Homa Bay County in consoling the family of this great man of Kenya. Senator Kajwang’ was no ordinary man. He was a great man, a patriot and full of love for his country. He was equally loved by Kenyans. We have sometimes mistaken his song of Mapambano to be political or partisan, but I have always believed that
is what Kenyans believed at the time of Independence; that we still have a struggle for illiteracy, disease and hunger. The parting shot for this great man is that our country still requires mapambano of disease, hunger and illiteracy. That is what we should take from Senator Kajwang’. May his soul rest in peace.
Thank you very much, hon. Speaker. I want to take this opportunity on my own behalf and the people of Muhoroni Constituency, whose interests I represent in this House, to condole the family, friends, legal and political fraternity around the late Gerald Otieno Kajwang’. I will talk very briefly about Kajwang’ in a few dimensions. First, I will talk about Kajwang’ the lawyer. I knew him as a lawyer. I approached him for legal redress around 1992 when I had some problems and he really helped me. He did not think so much about money. He knew what kind of problem I was going through and he went out of his way to assist. Then I knew Kajwang’ the politician. I am in agreement with a lot of praises The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
that Members have showered on him. I once was told by somebody I respect much that in life, never judge and say, so and so is a good person until he has come by a position of advantage and some wealth. If a man comes by fortune, a glamorous position or he is the Speaker of the National Assembly and he is your friend and he remains level-headed and perceives you the same way he used to perceive you before he reached that status, then you could say that he is a good person. That was the late Gerald Otieno Kajwang’. When he got the good news that he had been appointed a Cabinet Minister, he asked his wife for a dance. He did not tell us whether they put music on a record player or they tuned the radio on, but that was jubilation. That was short-lived. Even after that, the Otieno Kajwang’ we are mourning today remained a highly sagacious person. He was very down to earth. He remained true to his friends. If you went to Kenyatta Market you found him eating nyama choma with the very old friends he used to have before he became a Cabinet Minister. He came to upcountry for harambees and was a very simple person, simply dressed and remained true to himself. This is what we want people to know. He was a firm Christian. When I got this news in the morning, I got a reaction from my constituents. They told me that mapambano is gone. They said that they remember him in Muhoroni. When he was the Minister for Immigration and Registration of Persons, he took his predecessor there and tried to campaign for him. Because the predecessor’s time was up, the people shouted at him and Kajwang’ went round the corner and said that he was an offspring of ODM and he had found him in ODM. He changed the mood of the people.
I want to take this opportunity, finally, to offer my condolences - very unreserved - to the family of the late Senator Kajwang’, his friends, his colleagues in Parliament and to say to those colleagues of mine in Parliament that when Senator Kajwang’ was in NDP---
Your time is up!
Thank you, hon. Speaker. Indeed, the sting of death and its finality is something that I can see we are all struggling to come up with words to define. I want to definitely, on behalf of the National Alliance (TNA), on behalf of myself and my family to pass my condolences to the family and friends of Senator Otieno Kajwang’; a man I did not know for too long directly, but at least for the past two years I have come to know. Senator Kajwang was a Member of my Joint Committee on National Cohesion and Equal Opportunity. His contribution is something that we will always remember in the Committee. Senator Kajwang’ is a man who embodied political maturity. Despite coming from different political sides, he was a person who would always find time to talk. He realized that believing in different political convictions does not mean enmity. I regard him as a man who was my friend. We would discuss weighty national issues despite what would be seen in the rallies. He is a man I respect and I urge my colleagues to always remember that as much as we are in different political sides, it does not necessarily mean we are enemies. I, therefore, condole the constituents and members of the public from Homa Bay County. They have, indeed, lost a visionary and strong politician. I especially would like to condole with the CORD fraternity because you have lost a strong warrior. You have lost a strong leader and a strategist. Even for us, we had our eyes on him a lot if we wanted to know the mood. Finally as I finish, I would like to urge hon. Members that The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
sometimes we behave as if we will live forever when we decide to get into political fights and focus on things which are not of a significant or eternal value. I would like to urge hon. Members that even as we serve Kenyans, let us always remember what is important. Let us remember our families, let us remember that when we die, Parliament will go on and leadership will go on. So, let us put our country first in all we do and legislate for posterity. May his soul rest in peace.
Thank you hon. Speaker Sir. I also want to join my colleagues in passing my sincere condolences to the people and the family of hon. Otieno Kajwang’. I want to say I knew hon. Otieno Kajwang’ when I was a youth in the LDP Party and he used to call me Nyamombasa . Hon. Otieno Kajwang’ was a remarkable person who spoke clearly and stood firmly with two principles; the principle of democracy and the rule of law. He fought so many battles, be it arguments, conflicts and even division. He never shied away from any kind of fight. The ODM members and the CORD fraternity; we have been left poorer because of the departure of this remarkable pillar and patriotic Kenyan. But, we still take courage especially when we remember when he used to sing the “ Mapambano” song and the slogan “ aluta continua,” that the struggle will still continue. As Winston Churchill puts it, there are some politicians who will make weather, and indeed hon. Otieno Kajwang made the weather in the political arena. He made history. I want to say, sometimes there are things which happen and they happen with a purpose. I also join hon. Sakaja and say that irrespective of being in different political parties and coalitions, we need to be brothers and sisters. I am happy today to see that everybody is passing sincere condolences to the bereaved family of hon. Kajwang’ and even the people of Homa Bay County. They say that there is an hour and a day whereby everybody is going to depart from this world and yesterday was the day and the hour for hon. Otieno Kajwang’. I want to say Mheshimiwa, you made history and a lot of reforms especially in the reform agenda of this country; from the struggle for multiparty politics to the struggle for having a new constitution which has been driven by the people of Kenya. We really thank you so much for this and that is why as Christians we say in God we came and in God we are going to go back. The Muslims say, “ Inna lillahi wa innailaihi rajiun”. May his soul rest in eternal peace. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Thank you hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to join my colleagues in mourning our departed brother and friend, Senator Otieno Kajwang. Indeed, we received this news with a lot of shock last night, and on behalf of myself and the people of Funyula and Busia County, I want to extend my condolences to his family and of course his brother who is one of our colleagues, hon. T. J Kajwang’. I have known hon. Otieno Kajwang’ for a very long time, both before I joined politics as a student and even when I joined politics. Hon. Otieno Kajwang’ was one of the few Members of Parliament who came out to campaign for me in my constituency when I was facing a lot of trouble, when my rights were being trampled. Hon. Otieno Kajwang’ stood by me at that hour of need trying to say that every Kenyan has a right. I kept on reminding hon. Otieno Kajwang’ as he sang that song of Mapambano that sometimes we can be very proud of what we have achieved and it takes a very long time to achieve The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
something positive and good for the country. It is also very easy for us to reverse those gains if we are not vigilant. That is why hon. Otieno Kajwang’ always liked this song. Some people thought hon. Otieno Kajwang’ was just singing this song for the sake of singing, but it is a song that really inspired him to say that the struggle still continues. It is our duty to make Kenya a better society than we found it.
I think hon. Otieno Kajwang’, in the days that God has given us to be with him, he has strived to make this society better than he found it. I also want to end by saying that hon. Otieno Kajwang’ was a very supportive Member of ODM, not just for the sake of supporting, but he believed that political parties are crucial in nurturing democracy in this country. We must have discipline in political parties for this country to be able to move forward. Because the time is short, I just want to quote the words of Shakespeare, “Death a necessary end will come when it will come”. It has come for hon. Kajwang’ and may his soul rest in eternal peace.
Hon. Members, I want to plead with you, I truly appreciate that every one of us would want to say something about our late friend. It is just not possible because we must come to an end. Hon. Maj-Gen. Nkaissery, you have two minutes.
Thank you very much, hon. Speaker. I also stand to pass my condolences to the family of the late hon. Kajwang’ on behalf of myself, my family and people of Kajiado Central. I know death has robbed this country of a great son. I would like to wish his family to have courage and believe in God, and at the same time ask God to rest the soul of hon. Kajwang’ in eternal peace. Thank you, hon. Speaker. I want to donate my last minute to Mheshimiwa.
Thank you hon. Speaker, I just want to stand here to say a very big pole on behalf of my family and the people of Kilome Constituency. Hon. Kajwang’ was a very kind man and he spoke what he believed in. He was a very happy man who would smile all the time. I know we are going to miss him, the Mapambano song and other things that he did for the CORD coalition. We also extend our pole to our colleague, hon. T. J. Kajwang’ who lost his brother and we ask God to rest his soul in eternal life. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
One minute, hon. Onyango Osele from Homa Bay County. Those of you who do not have cards can use the Dispatch Box.
Thank you very much, hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I happen to have shared the last moments with Senator Kajwang’ on Friday in Oyugis. Though the moments were a bit tensed, I remember him telling me lastly: “Osele you are brave. Gini gore to dhi.” It was a moment that reminded me that Senator Kajwang’ is somebody who would not hide his feelings from anybody. He would tell you when he is starting war and when he is bringing peace after reconciliation. I remember his words during the constitutional referendum when he said: “If you think devolution is expensive, then try dictatorship”. We will really miss him as Homa Bay County. We pray for his family and the county as a whole. Rest in peace, Senator Gerald Otieno Kajwang’. He campaigned for me and I endorsed him for the ODM chairmanship of Homa Bay County. May his soul rest in peace. Thank you, hon. Speaker. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Anami, you have one minute.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I speak on behalf of Shinyalu people, my own behalf and on behalf of Senator Kajwang’s family in Shinyalu. Hon. Senator Kajwang’ is our brother-in-law and he has never hesitated to associate himself with Shinyalu. As we speak, there is mourning in Shinyalu for this man of humour, a mentor and a people’s representative. May his soul rest in eternal peace.
Hon. Jared Opiyo, one minute only.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity on behalf of my family and the great people of Awendo to send my condolences to the family of the late Senator Kajwang’, the people of Homa Bay County and all Kenyans. Senator Kajwang’ was a great man and a man of humour who loved politics for what it is. He did not hold any grudge against anybody. You would differ in opinion but you would still remain friends. May the Almighty God rest his soul in eternal peace.
Hon. Rachel Ameso, one minute.
Asante sana, Bw. Spika. Kwa niaba yangu binafsi na jamii yangu na watu wote wa Kakamega tungependa kutuma rambirambi zetu kwa jamaa ya Senator Kajwang’ ambaye ametuwacha. Ni jambo la kuhuzunisha sana. Tumempoteza mwanasiasa aliyekuwa shujaa katika nchi hii yetu ya Kenya. Nilimfanyia kazi wakati nilikuwa chuoni akiwa National Housing Corporation (NHC). Kwa hivyo, ni pengo kubwa ambalo tumepata na itakuwa ngumu sana sisi kama Wakenya kulijaza. Katika hali ya kuomboleza, tunasema poleni sana watu wa Homa Bay. Mungu awabariki wakati huu mnapoomboleza. Asante sana, Bw. Spika.
Hon. Ndungu Gethenji.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me the chance to eulogise our late colleague. On behalf of the people of Tetu and myself, I wish to extend my sincere condolences to the family of the late Senator. I urge all our colleagues in this House and in the country to take the passing of our late colleague as a symbol for all of us to come together and not just eulogise one another in good and favourable terms when we are gone. Let us use this opportunity to pull the nation together so that we can all work for the good of the people of Kenya and this great Republic. My sincere condolences and may the Lord rest his soul in peace.
Is hon. Mohamed Diriye here?
He is not there; so it is just a card.
Asante sana, Mhe. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii ili kwa niaba ya jamii yangu na watu wa Saboti, niweze kutuma risala za rambirambi kwa familia ya hayati Senator Kajwang’. Mimi binafsi niliwahi kufanya kazi kwa karibu sana na marehemu na tulishirikiana kwa uzuri sana. Asante sana.
Asante sana, Mhe. Spika, kwa kunipatia nafasi nami pia kwa niaba yangu,chama changu, watu wa Kitutu Chache North na watu wa Kisii County The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
nitume rambirambi zetu kwa jamaa na marafiki wa hayati Senator Kajwang’. Hayati Senator Kajwang’ alikuwa rafiki wangu wa dhati. Kitu kimoja ambacho kilikuwa kinatushikanisha sisi wawili ni kwamba miaka kumi hapo mbeleni nilikuwa nimefukuzwa Chuo Kikuu cha Nairobi (UON) nikipigania maendeleo ya wanafunzi. Naye miaka kumi baadaye alifukuzwa viyo hivyo. Kwa hivyo, tulikuwa na shida moja. Kitu cha pili, alikuwa shujaa wa Kenya kwa kutatua matatizo ya Kenya akiimba “W akenya msilale, lale, lale; Wakenya msilale laleee ”. Hon. Speaker: Your time is up!
Hon. Njagagua, you will have one minute. I said one minute, hon. Members.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me this chance to send my condolences to the family of the late Senator Kajwang’. I got to know the Senator early in 1993 when I was doing my internship. He was kind to junior lawyers. He held our brief and I also got to know him later in life when I was a politician. We have lost an astute politician, a good lawyer and a great man. My heartfelt condolences to the family.
Nashukuru, Mhe. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii kutoa rambirambi zangu. Kwa niaba ya watu wa Kisauni nasema pole ndugu, jamaa na familia ya Senator Kajwang’. Vilevile, nitachukua fursa hii kusema pole kwa familia nne zilizouawa juzi katika eneo Bunge la Kisauni kupitia mikono ya majambazi. Tunawaombea roho zao zilale mahali pema peponi.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I also want to join my colleagues in condoling with the family of Senator Kajwang’. He is a man I met in 2007 when I joined this Parliament. He was always a good man who would tell me that what we say in this House should not be taken out of this House. So, I will always remember him. On behalf of myself and the people of Subukia Constituency, may his soul rest in peace.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. On behalf of myself, Karachuonyo people and the people of Homa Bay, I would like to give my condolences to the family of Senator Kajwang’ and the people of Mbita. I was Senator Kajwang’s secretary of ODM when he was the Chairman of Homa Bay County. We have lost a great leader and a great politician. Without Senator Kajwang’ in the politics of this country, we will be lost. I would also like to give my condolences to the leadership of CORD wherever they are. We will miss Senator Kajwang’ immensely. Thank you.
Hon. Grace Kiptui.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for this opportunity. I would also want to join my colleagues in passing a message of condolence to the family, friends and the people of Homa Bay and Kenya. I do this on behalf of my family, myself and the people Baringo County, whose interest I represent in this House. I came to know the late Senator Kajwang’ in the late 1980s and early 1990s as we practised together as lawyers in the High Court of Kenya. Even then, you could see that he was a person of the people. Whenever we went to court and we wanted to hold our brief, he was always ready and willing and would always crack jokes.
One minute, hon. Dorcas Kedogo.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Vihiga County, I send my condolence to the family of this great man, Senator Kajwang’ and the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
people of Homa Bay. I knew Kajwang’ because he used to move crowds. He used to make so many jokes in rallies that people are going to miss. When we went to different functions, as he stood to speak, people used to clap and were very happy. We are going to miss him dearly.
Hon. (Eng.) Kiragu. Members, take one minute. There is no extra time for stories.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity to send my condolences to the family of Senator Kajwang’, the people of Homa Bay and Mbita and particularly to our friend, hon. T. J. Kajwang’. I want to remember him from the words he used yesterday when he visited Kiambu County. He said that he had visited Kikuyu to sort out a small problem and that small problem is over. For us, the people of Limuru and Kiambu County, we will miss him and may his soul rest in peace.
Hon. (Eng.) Shadrack Manga.
Thank you very much, hon. Speaker. Today in Kenya, we have lost a leader. On behalf of my family and the people I represent in Kuria East, we want to send condolences to the relatives and friends of our dear Senator. May the Lord rest his soul in eternal peace.
Hon. Robert Mbui.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On my behalf, my family and on behalf of my constituents of Kathiani Constituency and Machakos County, I want to pass my condolences to the family, friends, neighbours and the people of Homa Bay for losing their Senator; the great Senator hon. Otieno Kajwang’. The one thing we have learnt or we can learn from him is that, despite the turbulent times he had in politics, he maintained his sense of humour. I have learnt that politics is not a matter of life and death. Let us take that with us. May God rest his soul in eternal peace.
Hon. Joseph Kiuna.
Hon. Julius Ndegwa.
Asante sana, Mhe. Spika. Mimi mwenyewe na familia yangu na wananchi wa Lamu Magharibi, ambao ninawaakilisha, tunatoa risala za rambirambi kwa marehemu Seneta Kajwang’. Mungu amuweke mahali pema peponi. Pia ni vizuri tulichukue jambo hili na tujue kwamba mla nawe hafi nawe ila mzaliwa nawe, kama vile Seneta Otieno Kajwang’ amekaa na ndugu yake Raila Odinga mpaka kifo chake kilipofika. Asante sana Mhe. Spika.
Hon. Mary Wambui.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On behalf of my family and the people of Othaya, I condole with the family of Senator Otieno Kajwang’. All of us will leave this world one day. We need to live in harmony, to love each other and to know that we were all created by God. Senator Otieno Kajwang’ went to his Creator. The family of Senator Otieno Kajwang’ feels very disappointed but we are telling them to be firm and trust in God because he will not leave them. We know that God is going to help them and the Homa Bay people. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Thank you very much.
Hon. Kitungi, you have one minute.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On behalf of Mwingi West Constituency, my family and myself, I send my condolences to the family of the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’ and the people of Homa Bay as a whole. For the short time I have interacted with the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’, I learnt that he was a very jolly man. He is a man who could change a moody crowd to a smiling crowd. May God rest his soul in eternal peace.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On behalf of the larger Embakasi North, East, West, Central and South, I would like to condole the family of the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’. I have associated with him since the days of the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP). He was the mover and the shaker every time he was on the podium. Yesterday night we were at the hospital. I also thank Senator Murkomen and the Leader of Majority Party for being in solidarity at the hospital up to 2.00 a.m. This is what we as Members of Parliament should do. I really appreciate and on behalf of my family and myself, rest in peace comrade. God bless him.
Hon. Ndiege, it is your turn.
Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity to say sorry to the people of Homa Bay and on behalf of the people of Suna West and myself, I send condolences to the family of the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’. Thank you so much hon. Speaker.
Hon. ole Sakuda, you have the chance.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Kajiado West Constituency and myself, I send condolences to the family of my friend and colleague, Senator Otieno Kajwang’ and the people of Homa Bay County. I remember him very well as a good friend. When I first got into politics in 2007, people used to mistake me for him. Having been in the same political party at that time, he mentored and showed me some ways. May his soul rest in peace.
Hon. Ms. Ng'ang'a, A.W, it is your turn.
Thank you very much, hon. Speaker. On behalf of Thika Town Constituency, my family and myself, I take this opportunity to pass my sincere condolences to the family of the late Senator Otieno Kajwang’ and the people of Homa Bay County. Senator Otieno Kajwang’ made politics very interesting. When he was in the Opposition, we were all eager to know what he wanted to say every time he stood up because he was very interesting. He either started with a sense of humour or with a song. He made sure that the crowd was moved by whatever he was saying. He was a good politician. He made politics very interesting, not a matter of life and death. Thank you very much, hon. Speaker.
Hon. Kombe, it is your turn now.
Asante sana, Mhe. Spika. Nataka kujiunga na wenzangu kutuma risala za rambirambi kwa jamii na marafiki wa marehemu Seneta Otieno Kajwang’. Niligadhabishwa na kifo chake punde tu nilipofungua runinga asubuhi na kupata The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
matangazo hayo. Alikuwa mcheshi, mpenda watu, mtu wa watu, na hakika wengi watamkosa. Wafuasi wa ODM katika eneo bunge langu watamkosa marehemu Mhe. Seneta Otieno Kajwang’. Naomba Mwenyezi Mungu akalijalie kaburi lake kuwa bustani katika mabustani, Amina.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. On my own behalf and on behalf of the people of Nyaribari Chache, Kisii County and the Kisii who are neighbours of Senator Kajwang’, we share the pain that Kenyans are going through. Senator Kajwang’ was one great man with a great sense of humour. He loved people and he was a great Seventh Day Adventist (SDA). It is important to appreciate that Senator Kajwang’ was a great Christian and he used to be a choir director in the SDA before he joined politics. Even in politics, he kept on singing. We will miss him so dearly. May God rest his soul in eternal peace and give the family the comfort that human beings cannot give.
Nashukuru, Mhe. Spika kwa fursa hii. Ningependa kuchukua fursa hii kwa niaba yangu binafsi na niaba ya watu wa Marsabit na watu wa Mashariki ya juu ya Kenya kwa jumla kutuma rambirambi zangu za kirasmi kwa familia, marafiki na watu wa Homa Bay kwa kumpoteza mpendwa wao Senator Kajwang’. Pia ningependa kuambia Waheshimiwa wenzangu wote kwamba maisha sio ya milele. Kwa hivyo tuwafanyie kazi watu waliotuchagua. Tuwawakilishe vizuri katika hili Bunge. Naomba Mwenyezi Mungu ailaze roho yake mahala pema peponi.
Thank you, hon. Speaker. I want to pass my condolences to the family of Senator Kajwang’ on my behalf and on behalf of the people of Kiambaa, especially the people who reside in Kiambaa from Mbita. I would like to say that leaders die but their deeds and their ideas are left with us who are living. Hon. Speaker: We will finally have hon. Mbugua.
Thank you, hon. Speaker, for giving me this chance to give my condolences. Many things have been spoken about the late Senator Kajwang’. We have heard many good things that he has done. I would like to say that we, as leaders, should leave a legacy as he has done himself. It is good to do good because it is good to do good. I am repeating that: It is good to do good because it is good to do good. We, as leaders, should learn how to do good. We should learn how to do good activities as he has done. I am just trying to think about what his wife is going through but because it---
Your time is up! Next Order, Leader of Majority Party.
Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, November 19th 2014:- The Report of the Auditor General on the Financial Statements of the Kenya Medical Training College (KMTC) for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the certificate of the Auditor General therein. The Report of the Auditor General on the Financial Statements of the National AIDS Control Council (NACC) for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the certificate of the Auditor General therein. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
The Report of the Auditor General on the Financial Statements of the Energy Regulatory Commission (ERC) for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the certificate of the Auditor General therein. The Report of the Auditor General on the Financial Statements of the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the certificate of the Auditor General therein. The Report of the Auditor General on the Financial Statements of the National Council for Population Development (NCPD) for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the certificate of the Auditor General therein. The Annual Financial Report of the Capital Markets Authority (CMA) for the year ended 30th June, 2013 and the certificate of the Auditor General therein. Thank you, hon. Speaker.
Hon. Johana Ngeno, the Member of Emurua Dikirr has a balance of four minutes.
Hon. Speaker, I am still grateful for the opportunity to deal with the balance of time I had when I was discussing the Bill. Hon. Speaker, the last time I discussed this Bill I really dwelt on areas where we need to relook at those people who are deprived of their liberties. These are people who are either arrested or those people who might have been charged in a court of law and thrown into jail.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, like I said, these people have every right like any other Kenyan until they finish their sentences. Therefore, I will want to say that I support the clauses especially the one that deals with the health of persons who have been denied their liberties. I said and I want to repeat that the health of prisoners and the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
people who have been arrested has been very fundamental because most of the prisons have not been looking at that issue comprehensively. Whenever somebody is arrested or charged with any crime and put in jail, the Government or the institutions holding such persons should ensure that the health of that person is known. This is so that we know what that person could be suffering from and the kind of treatment that person will have while serving. Even those who are in police custody should have their health known before being arraigned in court so that those who could have been molested or beaten like the ones we have been seeing can have their health known before they are hurled into jails. Hon. Temporary Deputy S peaker, I will also want to speak on the issue of congestion. This Bill talks about ensuring that there is enough space in places of custody like those of detention or prisons. Developed democracies usually have very good places where these prisoners spend time. There is bedding and enough space. I believe we should also copy that so that we can have our prisons safe and good for those people who have been arrested. Hon. Temporary Deputy S peaker, I wish to end by saying that we need to modernise our prisons. Although we think those who have been arrested, detained or put into cells will always remain criminals, it is good to note that these people can change. They have an opportunity to change or reform. We want those people who are finishing their sentences or those who are acquitted to completely reform so that they can fit in the society when they come back. With those few remarks, I support.
(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): You support. Hon. Katoo ole Metito, Member for Kajiado South.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me the opportunity to support this Bill. This Bill has two aspects. First, it is going to be one of the very radical Bills in reforming the correctional institutions, namely, prisons. Secondly, it is going to be one of the most expensive Bills to implement. This Bill is meant to operationalise Article 29(f) of the Constitution that provides that people have a right not to be treated or punished in a cruel, inhuman or degrading manner. If you look at Article 51(1), it talks of the rights of persons held in custody, detained or in prison. Those are the two Articles of the Constitution that this Bill seeks to operationalise. It is very expensive to do so. Both of them touch on human rights. Therefore, they require a lot to be done in order to bring reforms in these correctional areas. Clause 15 of the Bill talks about clothing, a very important thing. This Bill talks of clothing, food, shelter, medical, education, leisure and health mostly to the people who are deprived of liberty in terms of being detained, imprisoned or punished. To provide clothing, food, shelter, medical, education, leisure and health to the detained are good reforms, but it is going to be very expensive. If you look at Clauses 3 and 4, they talk of maintenance of a register. If you are taken to a police cell, there is what is called an Occurrence Book (OB). In most cases, the detained persons are not given the chance to look at it. This Bill, if enacted into law, is going to be a departure from the past. Clause 4(e) talks of humanitarian assistance to migrant, refugees, asylum seekers, stateless and undocumented persons. It is going to be a very important Bill in terms of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
reforms. Clause 7(1)(g) up to Clause 8 talk of the right to communicate with their families or other person of one’s choice using phones in cells. This is currently not allowed. Therefore, you are allowed to communicate to whoever you want and the right to communicate with your advocate privately. Clause 8 provides for the right to communicate whether by telephone or other means to any person. Those are very good reforms, but these are rights to persons who have been detained in most cases for some wrong doing. We need to look into it. Maybe the relevant Departmental Committee will bring some amendments. Clause 9 is very important. Those held in custody shall have a right to inspect the receipt book and verify the accuracy of the record. At times, what you are charged of is not what is written in the receipt book. It is good that you now have a right to check and verify the accuracy of the records in the receipt book. Clause 9(4) provides that if any of the personal property to which this section relates is not restored when the accused person has been released and the verdict of not guilty has been entered or the issue has been settled out of the court, a record of the reason for its retention shall be entered in the receipt book. At times, the properties that the detained persons leave in the cell or in custody are not given back to them on release. When this Bill becomes law, all those things need to be done. Clause 12 is the most expensive part of it. Clause 12 says that you are not supposed to be confined in crowded conditions. We all know that our prisons are full to capacity. This will overstretch resources of the State. Therefore, it calls for the national Government to have prisons in all constituencies. This is the only way to avoid having crowded conditions in correctional centres. This issue of accommodation has been talked about; for example, separation of men from women, female from male, mothers with infants, intersex persons, older people, refugees and those who are detained because of civil matters from those with criminal issues. This, therefore, calls for prisons reforms. It calls for enlargement of our correctional institutions. As it is now, it will not be possible to implement this Bill with the current capacity in our cells. We have children, pregnant and lactating women being given special conditions in terms of health. It is a nice idea but very expensive. Maintaining Hygiene, meeting people’s religious needs and provision of sanitary materials in these places will be very expensive. This is a Bill that will go a long way in reforming our prisons. Clause 19 says that a person deprived of liberty shall be entitled to access to educational opportunities, reading materials that are beneficial to rehabilitation or personal development and have reasonable access to news from the media. This one needs to be fine-tuned. If we talk of access to materials that are beneficial to their rehabilitation, some may get access to materials that will harden them, for example, radicalization materials. Therefore, it is good to sieve materials that can be accessed, for example, news from the media. When it comes to Third Reading of the Committee of the whole House, I expect the Committee on Implementation to come up with possible amendments, especially on the kind of materials to be accessed. Clause 13 of this Bill talks about medical facilities. This is where you have to give these people medical facilities, special food and put them under hygienic conditions. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
In this case, prisoners may choose prisons. For example, instead of going to Lodwar, they may prefer to be in a prison in Nairobi, on medical grounds. I conclude by saying that I support this Bill. It is in the right direction in terms of reforming our correctional institutions. As it has been noted by the Mover of the Bill, at the end of it, the enactment of this Bill shall cause additional expenditure of public funds provided through the annual estimates. It is expensive, but we have no option because it is required in the Constitution.
(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Your time is over but very well spent. Hon. Member for Kwanza; by 6.20 p.m. we will be calling upon the Mover to reply. We had two sittings
Hon Temporary Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this Motion. First of all, I have learnt the fact that sometimes when somebody is arrested and taken to custody, he is literally confined until such a time that he falls sick. That is when the authority starts looking for his next of kin. I think this Bill has come at the right time. We have had cases where, as I mentioned earlier on, somebody is arrested, taken to prison or remanded and he cannot access some important facilities. I know of cases where the police, for example, deny children their rights. Last week, there was a case of a 12 year old child who was arrested for having trespassed on ADC farm in Kitale. The minor was confined in police custody until the parents had to come to me. I had to use my authority to be able to access the police station and I ordered that the child be released because the offence was petty. Due to corruption, the police even asked for money for keeping somebody in custody or to allow you access the person that has been confined. The time has come when somebody who has been arrested or is in the custody for whatever crime he has committed, to be given an opportunity to be able to communicate to his people. Secondly, as somebody has mentioned, some of these people are actually sick. I know of somebody who was arrested and taken to the cells. He was never taken to court for almost three weeks until again I intervened to have this person accessed. When I asked what the problem was, I realised that the charges preferred against this person were different from his offence. He had taken somebody’s daughter. He is a boy of about 24 years old. He was in agreement with this girl and the parents realised that he was the wrong person to marry their daughter. The parents of the girl went to the police. The boy was arrested and put behind bars for three weeks. It was never known where he was until again the parents complained to me as a Member of Parliament. Therefore, it is important that we get these things right so that we can streamline the operations of these institutions. Irrespective of the charges, we expect that there will be some rehabilitation programmes in prison, so that criminals can go back to the society as reformed persons. There are cases where people are imprisoned for periods ranging between four months and one year and when they go back to society, they turn out to be worse than they were before the imprisonment. If somebody is imprisoned for five or six years, we expect somebody to change such a person, but what happens? He gets out of prison worse than he was before serving the jail term. Therefore, we should be able to have programmes of rehabilitation. It is somebody’s right to be rehabilitated.
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whether you are a criminal or a drunkard; you are thrown into a very crowded place. By the time you leave prison, you will have contracted some diseases that you did not have. We are talking of giving prisoners some liberty to say where they want to be confined. Of course, some people would rather go to prison than live out there because life out there is so bad that if you give them a chance, they would go to prison. Some of the youths said that they would rather stay in prison than come out and suffer the way others are suffering.
Therefore, time has come for us to be able to streamline the operations of our institutions so that they can become rehabilitation centres. With those remarks, I beg to support Motion.
(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Hon. Members, we have less than five minutes before we give the Floor to the Mover to reply. So, I will give it to the Member for Kathiani for three minutes.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to make my contribution. I support this Bill. Chapter Four of the Constitution of Kenya, 2010 – the Bill of Rights – is very explicit about the rights of people of all walks of life. This Bill is basically meant to legislate and actualize that chapter. I believe that our Constitution is similar to the one of the Unites States of America (USA) but the circumstances under which people are arrested and locked up in this country leaves a lot to be desired. In the USA, suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty but in this country, suspects are considered guilty until proven innocent. Enforcement of the law is meant to confirm that.
Recently, I had the misfortune of having illicit brew sold in my constituency, which claimed the lives of four people. The person who was involved in the sale of the alcohol, who was an innocent business person, was arrested and thrown into a facility with very deplorable conditions. Therefore, this Bill is timely. The only thing we must be careful about is its implementation. I have looked at some of the clauses. First and foremost, anybody found guilty of treating people who have been deprived of their liberties in an inhuman manner, is liable to a maximum fine of Kshs200, 000 or imprisonment for two years. That might be very little. It is important that we enhance the penalty and jail term.
On the issue of facilitation, which the Majority Whip mentioned, there are certain things that require a lot of financial support. For example, on the right to reasonable accommodation, which has been stated, looking at categories into which we are splitting the inmates---
(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Your time is up, Member for Kathiani. Hon. Members, it is now time for the Mover to reply.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Standing Orders do not provide me with a position to donate. You cannot donate the position of moving or replying. I want to respect the Standing Orders. I want to thank all the Members who have contributed immensely to this Bill in the last two sittings of the House. It is a very important constitutional Bill which has a deadline. It is one of the Bills that this House extended time to nine months. This is the object and the spirit of the National Assembly The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
in making sure that they do their legislative duty without fear or favour. Today, we are finishing the Second Reading of the three constitutional Bills that we gave an extension. In summary, the principal object of this Bill was to give effect to Article 29(f) and Article 51 of the Constitution, more so the Chapter on the Bill of Rights by providing the rights of persons deprived of liberty. Persons deprived of liberty in our country since Independence have suffered. That is why the new Constitution gave powers under these two Articles 29(f) and 51 for Parliament in its wisdom to legislate a constitutional Bill to create a framework that for generations to come and for posterity, these persons deprived of their liberty must be protected under a certain framework of legislation. In a nutshell, this Bill talks about the constitutional and fundamental rights that must be given to persons deprived of their liberty, humane and dignified treatment. Despite being either in prisons or in police stations that will not make them forsake their human and dignified life. So, they must be given humane and dignified treatment. Very fundamental in this Bill is the keeping of records or receipt book for all arrested persons. This will help even in our rural areas where in the chief’s camp the Administration Police can arrest people and keep them with no records or Occurrence Book. This Bill, when it comes into effect, will create that. It talks about how people should be searched. People will agree with me that when a police officer searches a female, it contravenes the cultural, religious and gender rights. This Bill is very clear.
Clause 10 deals with restrictions on body search. It prohibits unreasonable body search. It even requires a body search to be conducted by people of the same sex. It talks about what type of accommodation should be given to a person deprived of his liberty; that you do not mix children with adult inmates. You do not also mix women with men as persons deprived of their liberty. You do not mix mothers with children who have been arrested with other inmates. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, they must also be given decent bedding. When we say decent bedding, of course, it is not the kind of bed I use in my house. It says decent, within that decent life in prison but you do not tell somebody to sleep on the floor. He will contract pneumonia and the next morning you will hear so and so has died in the cell. It says decent accommodation and decent clothing. This Bill is setting the kind of clothing that the Kenya Prison can give to a person depending on different locations. In a very cold environment, there must be decent clothing for a prisoner. If it is in a hot area like where I come from, there must be specific clothing. He should be given decent basic health care. If he falls sick, he should be taken to a dispensary or a health center. He should be allowed to exercise his freedom of worship if he is a Christian or a Muslim. He must be given time to air his opinion or his belief.
Part IV of the Bill talks about the process of lodging a complaint. If in your honest opinion as a person deprived of your liberty, if you do not get this within the confines of this law, then there is a fall back. Who do you complain to? Finally, the Cabinet Secretary in charge, under Clause 32, is expected to make regulations. So, the story does not end here. After Parliament enacts this into law and it is assented to by the President, the Cabinet Secretary in charge of this sector must bring a set of regulations. In my opinion, this Bill does not concern counties. So, I do not anticipate this Bill to go to--- It is in the power of the Speaker but unless an amendment is introduced at the Third Reading that would change the structure of the Bill and make it The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
applicable to the counties, for now this Bill does not concern counties within the confines of the Constitution.
I want to thank my colleagues. The contributions that were made in the three days were immense and as we go to the Third Reading, or the Committee of the Whole House, amendments will be proposed to polish this Bill. I want to make it very clear that persons deprived of their liberty will not be treated to that life which is beyond that. I am sure there are certain basic parameters that this Bill talks about, that people who are deprived of their liberties, when they come out of prison must be people who can contribute to the welfare of the community. You do not deny somebody his liberty. You want him to live life. Nelson Mandela lived almost all his life in an apartheid prison where he was denied these various liberties which he was entitled to. But at least he came out in one piece and became the first democratically elected president of South Africa. With those many remarks, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to reply.
(Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Thank you. Well spoken. Hon. Members, I may not put the Question because of obvious reasons but I order that the Question be put in the next sitting.
Hon. Members, the time being 6.30 p.m. this House stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday 20th November, 2014 at 2.30 p.m.
The House rose at 6.30 p.m.
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