We may commence.

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House: Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its Consideration of the President’s Reservations to the Finance Bill, 2018. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House: Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Supplementary Appropriations Bill, 2018.

Next Order.

Chairman of the Departmental Committee of Finance and Planning. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice that this House considers the Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of the President’s reservations on the Finance Bill, 2018. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Sorry, Hon. Limo. The Memorandum does not require a notice. It is just put on the Order Paper after the Report has been tabled. So, that particular aspect is expunged from the record. Chair, Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2018/2019, laid on the Table of the House today, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution and Standing Order 243, approves the changes to the Votes/Programmes contained in the Schedule to the Report. Thank you.

Very well. Let us move to the next Order.

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There is an intervention by Hon. Wamalwa. What is your intervention?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to seek your guidance pertaining to today’s Order Paper, particularly Order Nos. 10 and 11. Order No. 10 is consideration of the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee (BAC) and Order No. 11 is consideration of the President’s reservations. I need your direction because after reading the President’s recommendations to the House, Order No.10 is supposed to come as a subsequent of Order No. 11. If at all the President’s reservations are going to be rejected by this House, then there will be no point of getting to Order No. 10. So, I humbly request we consider the President’s reservations first. If this House, in its own wisdom decides to reject them with two-thirds, then we do not have to waste time going to Order No. 10 which talks about Supplementary Estimates. Thank you.

Unfortunately, notwithstanding the foot-thumping, that is not the way it is going to be. The order of business is as indicated. There is a possibility that you may not reach Order No. 11 during the morning sitting. It is good to also hear what it is the BAC has done by way of supply. If you are dealing with supply, there is a requirement of the Public Finance Management Act that you must join them. So, the order of business will remain like that. It is not possible for us to now interchange. Let us just go to the Procedural Motion. Of course, the foot- thumping may be an indication that Members are not quite clear with the procedures. Learning procedural matters is work in progress. Proceed Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 97(4), this House orders that each speech in a debate on the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on Supplementary Estimates contemplated under Standing Order 243 be limited as follows— (i) General Supply Debate: A maximum of two hours and fifteen minutes, with not more than 15 minutes for the Mover in moving and 10 minutes in replying; a maximum of 10 minutes for each of the chairpersons of the relevant committees and a maximum of five minutes for any other Member speaking, except the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party who shall be limited to a maximum of 10 The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

minutes each; and that priority in speaking be accorded to the Leader of the Majority Party, the Leader of the Minority Party and the respective chairpersons of the relevant committees, in that Order; and (ii) Committee of Supply: A maximum of one hour for the consideration of the proposed allocations to the respective Votes/Programmes in the order specified in the Schedule submitted by the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Speaker, as Members are aware, on Tuesday afternoon, I laid the Supplementary Budget Estimates and thereafter the Budget and Appropriations Committee (BAC) embarked on considering the estimates. It is for this reason that I wish to move this Procedural Motion pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 97 relating to limitation of debate read together with Standing Oder 236 all through to 239 relating to the Committee of Supply and procedure therein.

The objective of this Motion and the rationale is to allow Members time to consider in general debate the Supplementary Estimates and proposed deductions in the approved estimate for the Financial Year 2018/ 2019. This is the first Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2018/2019.

This general debate will provide the Committee of the whole House where each particular vote proposed for reduction will then be considered and approved. Hence this Motion will give each Member an opportunity and also the chairpersons of various committees under whose votes and programmes fall to give their views to the House and be recorded on HANSARD. That is the gist of the matter. Today we have a long day and that is why we must have these timelines in order to complete.

Without anticipating debate we will have another Motion in the afternoon that will compel the House to sit until all items on the Order Paper are complete. With those many remarks I urge the Hon. Leader of the Minority Party who is consulting with Hon. T.J… Earlier on, I was telling Hon. T.J that history is repeating itself and so, he should be careful. I ask Hon. Mbadi to support. I am sure that Hon. T.J will be part of those that will support.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, this is a Procedural Motion and in supporting, may I say that first, we are aware that these are Special Sittings which were gazetted for Tuesday Afternoon Sitting and today’s Morning and Afternoon Sittings. After that we do not have any other sitting very soon. So, we have to conclude business for which the Special Sittings were convened - the Supplementary Budget Estimates and Consideration of the President’s Memorandum on the Finance Bill. Therefore, even as we are going to open up debate on the Supplementary Budget Estimates on the proposed reductions which will be moved by the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, it is important that we limit debate so that as many Members as possible express themselves in this Motion. When we get to the Committee of the whole House to consider vote by vote or to the Committee of Supply, it will take a shorter time to conclude and that will be one hour as we have proposed and then we embark on the other The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Motion. This is a very important day, by the end of today we will have charted the destiny of this country in a positive or negative way.

With those many remarks, I second the Motion. Thank you.

Order Members!

That shall be the order. Hon. Members, I wish to appreciate the fact that reports by both committees have just been tabled in the House. It is only fair that all the Members have an opportunity of getting copies of those reports and be in position to contribute from a position of information and knowledge. Therefore, for the convenience of the House, I will suspend this Sitting for a maximum of 30 minutes so that each Member gets an opportunity of getting a copy of the two reports to farmiliarise oneself with. When we resume, debate will be informed by the contents of those two reports, but more particularly the Supplementary Budget Estimates, which is the business scheduled to be dealt with this morning.

Therefore, Hon. Members, the time being 9:59 a.m. this Sitting stands suspended for a maximum of 30 minutes. The bell will ring for five minutes at 10:25 a.m. and the Sitting will resume at 10:30 a.m.

The House was suspended at 10.00 a.m.

Order Members! At the request of some of you, we extended the period of the short break by 15 minutes. I would like to draw your attention to the circulation of a Special Sitting Supplementary Order Paper. That extension has necessitated another Procedural Motion as Order No.9 because of the time that we had to take, which was necessitated by the fact that the secretariat had to make as many copies of the reports as possible for Members. Let us move to that Order.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.30(3)(a), this House resolves to extend the sitting time of the House this morning until 1.30 p.m. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

This is after consulting with our technical team. For us to finish Order No.10, which will take two hours and Order No.11, which will take one hour, those two items will take us close to 1.30 p.m. The House will rise at 1.30 p.m. so that we accommodate an extra 30 minutes to deal with Order Nos. 10 and 11. Based on the Procedural Motions that the House passed in the morning, the timelines will take us to 1.30 p.m. That is why we have Order No.9. Because I do not want to use or eat into that time, I beg to move and ask the Leader of the Minority Party to second.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to second.

Put the Question!

Hon. Speaker, let me begin by pointing out that the Report did not have a Schedule but it is being circulated. Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion:

THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Supplementary Estimates for the 2018/2019 Financial Year, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 20th September 2018, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution and Standing Order No.243, approves: (i) a reduction of the total recurrent expenditure for the 2018/2019 Financial Year by Kshs9,063,228,418 in respect of the Votes as contained in the attached Schedule; (ii) a reduction of the total capital expenditure for the 2018/2019 Financial Year by Kshs28,540,434,000 in respect of the Votes as contained in the attached Schedule; (iii)an overall reduction in the total budget for the Financial Year 2018/2019 by Kshs37,603,662,418 in respect of the votes as contained in the Schedule; (iv) an increase of Kshs1.5 billion to the Judiciary budget; and (v) that the attached Schedule forms the basis of the enactment of the Supplementary Appropriation Act, 2018/2019.

Hon. Speaker, as I have mentioned the Serjeant-at-Arms will circulate the Schedule. It is being photocopied. I wish to point out a few items on the Report. It is important for the House to appreciate why it was necessary to have a Supplementary Budget in the second month of the financial year. It is good to let Members know that when we passed the Appropriations Bill in June this year, there were arrangements and agreements with our development partners. You know what happened in the recent past. We had committed to them. It is good to appreciate that this country is yet to get a balanced Budget, in terms of being able to finance all our expenditures with our taxes.

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imposing higher taxes on our people. We will need, in one way or the other, to finance our Budget by getting support from our development partners and through domestic borrowing. Our fiscal deficit as at the time we passed the Appropriations Bill was projected at 5.7 per cent. Because of the additional expenditure that was accommodated during the appropriations, we burst that fiscal deficit way above 6 per cent. The consequence of that is that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) stood down the standby credit to this country. However, the Government is still in negotiations with IMF. It is good to mention these things. This standby credit is not there but we are okay because of our foreign exchange reserves which are backed mostly by Diaspora remittances. Therefore, it is important for the Government to continue engaging the IMF and other developed partners, to ensure that this standby facility is there, in case of any eventualities. As we were told, it is like an insurance policy that the country takes. Therefore, it is important for us to balance our expenditure and revenues.

This Supplementary Budget has basically been occasioned by changes that are in the Finance Bill. There is a reduction in our projected revenues for this financial year. Therefore, we have considered all the proposals that were brought by the National Treasury. We had four meetings yesterday, including a meeting with the Judicial Service Commission (JSC), Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) and the National Treasury. We had very lengthy negotiations up to late in the wee hours of the night to strike a balance between our revenues and expenditure and ensure that in the spirit of give and take, we reduce our expenditure in a manner that will ensure that we not only balance our Budget but we also achieve the 5.7 per cent fiscal deficit. This will guarantee us an opportunity to continue engaging our development partners to access the standby credit.

Kenyans are concerned with the huge debt that is there. It is good to note that the Eurobond that we took in 2014 matures in April or June next year. The syndicated loan will also mature at the same time. Our current Budget for this financial year has a financing gap of Kshs562billion which will be financed both by domestic and foreign borrowing. For us to access foreign borrowing and investors to have confidence in this economy, we, as a country, must show that we have the fiscal discipline that we committed to them. Therefore, it is imperative that we strive in that spirit of give and take to cut back on some of the expenditures that may be important but not urgent. There is no expenditure that we have cut back that we are saying that it is important. It may not be urgent. There were various proposals. Some of them affect our constituents like the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) which the National Treasury had proposed to cut by Kshs6billion. In the same spirit of give and take, we engaged the National Treasury. We have only reduced our NG-CDF by Ksh2.4billion from Kshs35.7billion to 33.3billion. If you calculate, it ensures that each and every constituency in this country will get at least a minimum of Kshs110million. We are not saying that this is the end of business in terms of appropriating money because we have an opportunity. If we remain with the fiscal discipline that we are committed to, we will have an opportunity to allow our economy to thrive again, generate more revenues and allow private businesses to thrive. Hopefully by the time we come from the long recess after December, if our revenue will have improved, we will have a second Supplementary Budget which will offer…

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which is being made but I will look with disfavour any Member who openly assumes or transforms this place into a public baraza . So, be warned that Standing Order No. 107 is likely to kick in, in the course of today.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I was pointing out that we are all aware of what we are doing because we are the ones who passed these laws, especially the NG-CDF which is a function of the national Government share of revenue. If our revenue rises, automatically NG-CDF grows with its growth. We have ensured that the projected national Government share of revenue is Kshs1.3trillion, 2.5 per cent of that is what we have taken in accordance with the statutes and the law that created NG-CDF to ensure that we are in line with the law. There is nothing less than what is stipulated in the law.

The other fund that was reduced was the National Government Affirmative Action Fund which had a proposal to be reduced by Kshs2billion to Kshs600million. We have added back that by a further figure of Ksh1.5billion to Kshs2.1billion. In line with what the President said in the Memorandum to support the fight against corruption and ensure that we have a free and independent Judiciary, we have added some money to the Judiciary. We appreciate that we cannot have an independent Judiciary without financial autonomy. We have added back to our Judiciary Kshs1.5billion to ensure the completion of courts and enough court space to prosecute the corruption cases that are ongoing and other cases that have been lying in our courts without being finalised.

On the PSC, there was a proposal to reduce the parliamentary budget, especially on recurrent expenditure, by Ksh5billion which would have translated to a reduction of up to 40 per cent on various expenditure items. We have rationalised this together with all other departments in Government.

I wish to thank the National Super Alliance (NASA) Coalition, especially the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) who called for real austerity measures. The Leader of the Majority Party is a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, and we ensured that we have real austerity measures cutting across all Government departments, be it Parliament, the Judiciary or the Executive. We have rationalised this to ensure that our cuts average about 15 to 20 per cent on recurrent expenditure items. It is important to mention that some of the things that relate to Members of Parliament that we passed in April have not been touched because they are personal emoluments. They are things to do with house allowances and Members’ compensation for mileage. We have ensured that they are not touched because they touch on personal emoluments. These are salaries and wages of Kenyans. Members of Parliament are Kenyans also. Therefore, those issues will not be touched.

Hon. Speaker, the items we have touched are those of… The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Order, Members. If you do not want to listen, I want to hear.

(Kikuyu, JP)

They are granted.

(Kikuyu, JP)

Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me from the outset to appreciate the manner in which the Budget and Appropriations Committee has executed its mandate in processing the Supplementary Estimates No.1 for the Financial Year 2018/2019 in line with Article 223 of the Constitution and Section 44 of the Public Finance Management Act, 2012 and Standing Order No.243.

This is the first Supplementary Estimates that come before the House for the Financial Year 2018/2019. This is a very unique Supplementary Budget as it is being considered barely three months into the financial year. It is in the best interest of the country so as to achieve our development agenda and the Big Four Agenda.

In June this year, this House approved a total expenditure of Kshs2.53 trillion that resulted in a fiscal deficit that was to be financed through both domestic and foreign borrowing. On 2nd August this year, this House approved the Finance Bill, 2018, with various measures which could affect…

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Hon. Speaker, my deputy is totally out of order. He is speaking on phone when his leader and the House are listening. He has complied. Because of age, he is consulting elders on the position he is going to take.

In August, the House approved the Finance Bill, 2018 with various measures which could affect the estimated revenue collection. The Constitution provides that the National Treasury should seek approval of expenditure from Parliament within two months after withdrawal of money from the Consolidated Fund, primarily for the purpose of the Supplementary Appropriation. However, the amount spent should not be more than 10 per cent of the total sum appropriated by Parliament unless under special circumstance when Parliament has approved a higher percentage. Indeed, the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee will agree with me that these Supplementary Estimates are seeking to change approximately 1.5 per cent of the approved budget that went through this House.

So, what is in the Supplementary Estimates? For the Financial Year 2018/2019 Budget, the deficit is Kshs55.10 billion. The amount we are going to reduce is Kshs11.72 billion for the recurrent expenditure. That is why the bulk of the Parliamentary Service Commission… I want us to engage each other this morning and afternoon from a point of facts and figures. I am a Member of Parliament and the National Government Constituencies Development Fund is key to me. Mileage and house allowance are key to me. Those items have not been touched and anyone with contrary view, let him provide that evidence. The Parliament Budget Office in collaboration with our Budget and Appropriations Committee sat until 2.00 a.m. last night. Recurrent means domestic travel like going to Mombasa, a bit of foreign travel and, of course, the element of the tendering process in order to complete this building.

Let us be very honest, we are in this House and I am sure by January or February next year, the Minister will bring Supplementary Estimates again and we have the powers, based on the revenue that will be projected, to say: “Mr. Minister, now that revenue has gone up, the law says 2.5 per cent of that revenue must be allocated for the NG-CDF.” As leaders, we must show goodwill. Parliament cannot be part and parcel of the country moving forward if Kenyans will be willing to pay part of the 16 per cent and the Government will have a reduction. Parliament, in our own way, must also show goodwill because we are part and parcel of the leadership.

For the affirmative action of our serious women leaders, the only thing they have lost is Kshs300 million that we included in the last Budget when we found extra money. I am the one who moved that amendment. They are going to get an amount like that of the last financial year. For the Kshs300 million, if revenue increases, we are here and we will increase it. There are people who are peddling lies. The media was saying that the amount has been reduced by Kshs2 billion. If the National Treasury had reduced the amount by Kshs2 billion, it would have been like doing away with the Fund. I would like to tell Mr. Rotich not to go that route. The NG-CDF was Kshs6 billion and we have reduced it. They had removed Kshs2 billion from the National The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Government Affirmative Fund for women. I thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee for returning Kshs2.1 billion for our sisters who represent the counties. It is in law that the House has an obligation to balance the Budget.

Hon. Speaker, it is in the Public Finance Management Act, Section 55(4), that this House has an obligation to balance the budget. We cannot allow the President to sign the Appropriations Bill 2018/2019 or the Finance Bill, if the budget is not balancing. He will be committing an illegality. That is why the President returned the Finance Bill. All of us represent the people out there. I ask our leaders that when we represent the people, let us lead them. Let us not lead the people from the middle when you are inside the crowd. You need to be ahead of the people. From my experience as a Member of Parliament, today, they might ask you to do something, but two months down the line, they will ask you where the road, electricity and the NG-CDF are. We should not give Panadol for something that can be cured by Amoxil. Let us not give short-term treatment. Let us treat what we are facing as a country. Let us look at the debt level. The Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning and the Budget and Appropriations Committee will agree with me. Finally, as I support, there are people who are blaming the handshake. The cardinal item in the handshake was that as political leaders, we agree on the interest of the country. So, when Hon. Raila, Hon. Kalonzo and Hon. Mudavadi speak, we listen. Hon. Mudavadi was the first person to support the 8 per cent. So, if you are a Member of the Amani National Congress (ANC), unless you do not have hierarchy…

No! No!

All of us know what our people are getting. As a House, we have agreed that, please, for our national interest, not only now but in the future, if there will be insecurity in Turkana, let us all come together and solve national issues and move together.

I beg to second.

Leader of the Minority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I want to remind my colleagues that we have been attacked left, right and centre by political analysts and economic experts that we do not engage our minds seriously on budgetary issues. I would request that we take advantage of this time to debate this Supplementary Budget soberly so that we can take responsibility after passing Supplementary Budget Estimates. Having said that, I stand here to support the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Supplementary Budget Estimates I of 2018/2019. I want to start with admission that we need to recognise that as a country, we are facing tough financial economic times. We have reached a point where we have to think of how to maintain our financial integrity. If we are projecting to collect Kshs1.9 trillion, and that is just a projection, it may be realised or not, experience has proved that previously, we have never realised the projected revenue. Therefore, chances are that we may not collect Kshs1.9 trillion. But assuming we do, the debt repayment alone will consume about Kshs870 billion. I know there will be amortisation of external debts and domestic debt rollover, but still in balancing terms, you can safely say that, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

as a country, we are going to repay debts at Kshs870 billion. Salaries are estimated in this country to consume about Kshs650 billion. If you add that to the debt repayment, you are already hitting close to Kshs1.5 trillion. If you transfer Kshs314 billion to our 47 counties, then in essence, you are spending above Kshs1.8 trillion on debt repayment, paying salaries and transfers to the counties. If the project was Kshs1.9 trillion, simple arithmetic would put it that we have less than Kshs100 million to spend on other development matters. If you then transfer the NG-CDF at the rate of about Kshs35 billion, then you would see that we are already consuming the entire ordinary revenue that we collect as a country. That, therefore, means that we have no money for development. The National Treasury is admitting late in the day that we have some obligations with other development partners. We have obligation even by people who loaned us money through Eurobonds and syndicated loans. These obligations would put at risk our financial integrity. If it does that then, two things are likely to happen. One, you may lose out in getting any money from the development partners or get any loan out there. Two, even if you were to get it, you can get it at a high cost hence putting pressure on us again. If you are running a company with such predicaments, you would have the options of either injecting more capital to it to help you to move or you sell it altogether. I do not know how many of us are ready to sell Kenya and realise proceeds and we divide probably the dividends and look for somewhere else to live. It, therefore, means that we must cut on our budget. We must cut the cloth to fit our sizes, hence the need to take some austerity measures. As a party, we pronounced ourselves that we are going to ask the country to take real austerity measures. Let me mention some of the deductions. One, there are proposed amendments by the Committee to what the National Treasury had recommended. It is not that we have not touched the NG-CDF. We are putting the NG-CDF to the statutory provision of 2.5 per cent of the Kshs1.33 trillion, which brings it to Kshs33.3 billion. On the Affirmative Action Fund for the Woman Representatives, this was a disaster. I do not know where the National Treasury got the idea of doing away with that Fund altogether. The provision in the last financial year was Kshs2 billion. We raised the Fund to Kshs2.3 billion in this financial year. We are now putting it at Kshs2.1 billion. My calculation is that it has been reduced by Kshs200 billion. This means that we have raised what was provided for in the last financial year by Kshs100 million. On the parliamentary budget, this needs to be clear because I know it is likely to be picked. The National Treasury wanted to reduce the parliamentary budget by close to 40 per cent for reasons we do not know. Therefore, like all Government departments except the Judiciary, we have reduced operations and maintenance by 16 per cent. We were very careful with Parliament. Just like the Executive is not touching emoluments, because you cannot touch salaries, we are also saying that Parliament should not touch emoluments. That is what we have done. There is nothing that we have done which is different from what is done for the Executive. I do not think there is anything to be ashamed of here. What we have done is just to rationalise, cut across the board operations and maintenance for both the Executive and the Legislature, but on personal emoluments, cushion it for all the departments. Hon. Speaker, if you allow me one minute, I will say two things. One, we have also reduced Kshs600 million from the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology on infrastructure because this money is not being distributed fairly. But we have left it at Kshs1.5 billion to think about it in future. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Finally, I want to talk about roads. Remember we decided to put direct budgetary allocation of Kshs8.7 billion, but there is the usual road maintenance levy. The information that is there is that roads maintenance levy is going to move upwards to Kshs11 billion which, if you calculate, will translate to about Kshs35 million per constituency. Therefore, because of the times we are in, we decided to leave that direct allocation to the roads sector. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I support the Supplementary Appropriations Bill.

Who is rising on point of order? Hon. Vincent Kemose, what is your point of order?

Hon. Speaker, thank you for this opportunity.

Is that a point of order?

Yes, I am rising on a point of order from the Report of the Committee’s recommendations where they have spoken about the schedules in parts (i), (ii) and (v). I am, therefore, begging you to direct that we be given those schedules, so that we can look at them and be informed before we proceed with further debate.

Are you not looking at the particular Order Paper that is attaching the…

Serjeant-at-Arms, please, supply all the Members with Order Papers. I know they were being printed. Remember I explained that we even extended the time by an extra 10 minutes to allow the secretariat to print as many copies of the Order Paper as possible. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security.

(Kiambaa, JP)

Member for Mwingi Central.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to contribute on the Motion on the Appropriations Bill.

This is not Appropriations Bill, it is Supplementary Estimates.

My constituents of Mwingi Central Constituency sent me to come and say that they do not want an increment on their living standards. Increasing taxation on petroleum products… The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Relevance. This is Supplementary Estimates. Hon. Members, that is why I told you to listen to the Motion as it was being moved and seconded, so that you know what you are talking about.

I stand guided, Hon. Speaker. The NG-CDF touches the common mwananchi. Therefore, I do not support the reduction on the NG- CDF. I do not support the reduction of the Affirmative Action Fund. I do not also support the reduction of the Parliamentary budget because that is where I belong. We would rather reduce spending on Government departments and not Parliament. We have seen a lot of mismanagement of Government resources. For example, in the last formation of the Government, there was creation of the position of Chief Administrative Secretary (CAS), which increased spending in the Government. We also saw recently the President announcing that the police will be given new uniforms. We have not seen that reduction. Instead of giving the police new uniforms, they should stay with their old ones so that we can put that money in the development budget. Hon. Speaker, I rise to oppose the recommendations by the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Members, every Member is at liberty to express themselves. So, according to the Member for Mwingi Central, he would rather the police patrol nude. It does not matter whether the uniforms are new or old. Even new ones get worn out, but the Member is within his right.

On a point of order.

What is this point of order? Hon. Lomenen, what is your point of order?

Hon. Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity. I want you to guide us. The Members who have signed this Report are 13. They do not meet the threshold. They are not even 50 per cent.

So, even before we debate this Report, is it properly before the House? Guide us on that, because I am seeing only 13 signatures here.

Hon. Ichung’wah.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. It is good to appreciate that Hon. Lomenen is a second-term Member. I am sure he knows that the quorum of the Budget and Appropriations Committee (BAC) is nine members.

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Order Members. Just look at your Standing Orders so that even as you shout “no” or “yes”, the people you represent can see that you shout “no” when there is something. Or you just shout “no” because it is fashionable to do so? The Chair is explaining.

Hon. Speaker, secondly, it is important to appreciate that the Members of the BAC dedicated a lot of their time yesterday and we truly appreciate that. We finished writing this Report some minutes to midnight last night. We had not had dinner and, therefore, a few of our colleagues had stepped out before signing it for adoption. However, the same Members of the Committee are in the House. If there is any one of them or, indeed, any Member of this House who has an opinion other than what is in the Report, he is at liberty to say so. If there is any Member of the Committee who would not have agreed with the contents of the Report, he or she is also at liberty to file a dissenting report. Therefore, I beg to advise Hon. Lomenen accordingly.

Hon. Members, this is serious business. It is about financial estimates. I really plead with those of you who have not familiarised yourselves with the Standing Orders, even in your second term, to read Standing Order 199(2). For the information of the Member for Turkana South, I have the list of the Members of the Committee present at their meeting yesterday.

Forget. Hon. Lomenen, any further altercation on this matter, you will go out.

No.

Hon. Members, listen. I will read this for you.

No.

Hon. Members, this is the National Assembly. These are the clear provisions of Standing Order 199(2). This is certainly not a county assembly. Standing Order 199(2) reads: “The report of a select committee, having been adopted by a majority of the members, shall be signed by the chairperson on behalf of the committee.” I have the list of all the Members of the Committee. Do not expect me to begin doing secretarial work from the Chair. If you do not want to debate this Motion for some reason, please, raise substantive issues; not a matter as simple as this one. The Report is properly before the House.

Put the Question.

Hon. Kimunya.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support the Report of the Committee and congratulate them for working overtime to get this matter sorted out within the limited time that they had. Because I do not have much time, I just want to lay down some basic principles that can help Members to appreciate where we are. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

The first thing is that a budget is only a projection. Until you get the money, it is purely paper. What we had was an overly exaggerated budget that could not match the revenues that were required to finance it. Having realised that, the natural thing is that you then have to go back and work on your expenditure because that is what you have control over. We actually do not have control over revenues; anything could happen. The fundamentals could change; the environment could change and the global economies could change. Hence, if we are not conservative on our revenues and continue thinking that we can project to spend a lot, we will end up putting ourselves in debt. So, the first thing we need to appreciate is that whatever projections have been given to us could change even next month or the month after that if more revenues are realised, because there will be more money available to finance extra expenditure. If revenue is not realised, expenditures could also be rationalised further down. We must accept such eventualities. There is talk that perhaps we are conserving what is dear to us, but I want to look at it from a different angle. Indeed, the NG-CDF has been maintained. The law requires that NG- CDF is, at least, 2.5 per cent. So, there is nothing about Parliament conserving money for itself. That is what the law says. It is a minimum of 2.5 per cent. The law also says that you cannot deduct people’s salaries once you have already committed. They are contractual obligations that have to be met. So, again, we are not doing anything here because of our salaries or any other salaries. It is the legal commitment that has been entered into. The other item that I wanted to mention is that even as you think of putting speed governors on vehicles to cut down on speed, you cannot include it on ambulances because at times they will need to exceed the speed limit to do the work they are designed for.

So, the austerity measures cannot be put in a way that impedes even the work of this Parliament. I am happy that even the Judiciary has been given more money so that the institutions can complement one another. So, I urge this House that what we basically have before us is a schedule of our best projections at this moment. Those things could change and if it changes for the better, the money will increase and the NG-CDF will be enhanced and more money will go to schools and it is this same Committee that we have given this responsibility.

If on the other hand we stick to what we already have and we tell the people that we are budgeting on Kshs117 million per constituency, revenue is not realised and you have given contracts to people to do schools, you will end up with no Exchequer releases and pending bills will be accumulating. So, I would rather be very conservative in terms of where we start our planning and should the money increase, obviously, we will come back here and ask for more. I do not want to go through that, but I hope we do not spend much time on this one so that we can dig deeper in terms of the financing of this because the two are inter-twined. If we do not end up with more finances, we will have to come back here and rationalise further.

Hon. Speaker, with those words, I beg to support and urge the rest of the Members to support the Committee. Let us pass this Report and move to the next step in the Committee of Supply. I support.

Member for Emuhaya. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Speaker, from the outset, I oppose these amendments. We should see exactly where we are beginning from to come to the amendments that are before the House. The amendments before the House are because we are looking for funds from the budget to take care of certain pilferages that have been occurring within the Government.

Therefore, there are many other areas which should have been touched. When I was going through this particular document, I did not see a heavy hand being put on the National Youth Service (NYS) which has been known to wrongly spend our money. Instead, I saw the budget for education infrastructure being affected and the only simple reason is that that money is not being given out in an equitable way. That is something that can be dealt with within the management. Therefore, it would be unreasonable to hit the budgets that affect Kenyans. When it comes to education, Kenyans solely depend on the Government and the NG-CDF for building infrastructure in schools. So, when you attack it, it means that you are not within the listening of Kenyans.

Hon. Speaker, I saw the budget of the TSC being affected. This country is lacking in so far as teachers’ employment is concerned. So, why would we go a step further to hit on areas that are required?

I feel that the proposals before us are not good for Kenyans and moving forward, I would like to tell the House that I am not happy when the leadership within the House directs the Motion on budget allocations and proposals to mean that if the House and the Members’ interests have been taken care of, then we can leave the rest of Kenyans to suffer with taxes. That impression was very wrong. It will look like immediately we got what we thought was correct in terms of the NG-CDF and other emoluments, we left the ordinary Kenyan to suffer. So, without much ado, I ask that moving forward… I can also see the mood in the House is set to make a determination on this issue. So, the Members can move forward and look at the second Motion on the President’s Memorandum.

Therefore, I beg to oppose in totality these proposals.

Let us have the Chair, Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Hon. Members, let us debate the Motion before us.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support this Motion and thank the Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee for doing the Report within a short time. We were able to table the Report today for us to deal with this very important issue.

Hon. Speaker, there are a lot of loud consultations.

Hon. Members, I can hardly hear what the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs is saying. I know it is important to consult, but, please, just lower the decibels. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, I support this Motion and refer Members to the increment of Kshs1.5 billion to the Judiciary. Our Constitution requires that we have a High Court in every county. We have over 72 law courts across the country in various levels of development. In Kabarnet Town in my county, I have a High Court which is already built, but with a complete record of 40 per cent. We have many other courts in our country where we need funding to complete. Access to justice by the Kenyan people is critical. As we deal with the economy and the Big Four Agenda, access to justice is an enabling item and we can never develop as a country if the citizens and businessmen are unable to access justice to resolve disputes in business.

So, allocating Kshs1.5 billion to the Judiciary to complete the construction of courts is a move in the right direction. This money is a donor funding from the World Bank and we want to encourage the Judiciary… We have had sessions with the Judiciary, the Chief Justice and the Registrar of the High Court and we have agreed with them that within the next few months, they should conclude the construction of these courts so that we can move to other counties where we do not have high courts.

I also note from the Report that we have a sector which has taken away some substantial amount of money from the Office of the Attorney General, Registrar of Political Parties (RPP), the Witness Protection Agency (WPA), the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHRC) and the Commission on Administrative Justice. My plea is that in our next Supplementary Budget Estimates, these are critical agencies which are also important in ensuring that Kenyans access justice. As we move to the next Supplementary Estimates Budget, funding should be given to those institutions because they are very important. I would like to call upon my colleagues that as they go to their constituencies, let them visit the courts which are being constructed because they are going to help their constituents. I conclude by saying that the Supplementary Budget is in response to our challenges as a country. This does not necessarily mean that what has been reduced cannot be availed in our future budgets as we proceed. I call upon my colleagues to pass this Motion on this Supplementary Budget so that we can move forward as a country and ensure that our people access justice in our respective counties and constituencies. Hon. Speaker, I thank you.

Next is nominated Member, Hon. Osotsi.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for this opportunity to contribute to this Motion. I start by commending the Budget and Appropriations Committee for the good work they have done within the shortest time possible. However, I think they would have done better because looking at the figures and comparing with their past reports, there are some Votes which I think the Budget and Appropriations Committee would have looked at and, probably, harmonised the budget to reduce the budget gap. I want to give an example of the State Department for Vocational and Technical Training, which is Vote No.1064. The details around Technical and Vocational Education and Training (TVET) are not very clear in the estimates because in the initial estimate, the figure that was given was Kshs2.3 billion, but in the estimate, we are talking about Kshs7.4 billion. This is a huge variation which they would have looked at to consider saving more money there. I have also noticed that there is a reduction on the budget for Information, Communication and The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Technology (ICT) of about Kshs5.9 billion. I am concerned because we cannot talk about the Big Four Agenda without ICT as a driver. We cannot talk about innovation in this country if we are reducing the budget of ICT. I think this budget was meant for the Konza City, which those of us who are in the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation were very glad that now the Government had taken a positive step to ensure that this country innovates. However, that has further been reduced and that will mean that we will not take the Konza City Project. I am also looking at Vote No.1081 under the programme on Health Policy Standards and Regulation. This has been allocated over Kshs11 billion, but if you look at the last financial year, it had Kshs1.7 billion. We need to be very clear on what constitutes health policy standards and regulation. In the next budget cycle, the budget estimates must give us finer details so that we can interrogate further. Giving huge figures to Votes which are not very clear and not itemised is very confusing and it is actually retarding the performance of Parliament in terms of offering budget oversight. I am also concerned about Vote No.1185 specifically on the programme on the National Social Safety Net. Whereas I agree that this programme is important because it helps our elders and other disadvantaged groups, there has been a huge increase from last year. Last year, the figure was Kshs5.8 billion, but now we are asking for more than that. We need a clear explanation about this considering that when we go to the villages, elders tell us that they do not get this money or it comes late. Some of those Votes can be used to fill the budget gap. There is also Vote No.1023 on the State Department for Correctional Services, which is to do with prisons.

Next is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education, Research and Technology.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support this Motion. I thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee. First of all, the Committee rationalised the budget and make sure that most non-essentials especially in the Government like tea and entertainment allowances were reduced. I want to look at Vote 1064. It is indicated that there was a reduction of Kshs1.3 billion especially on the recruitment of teachers or trainers. I want to say that the Government did well especially in building technical training institutes and it has gone ahead to recruit over 2,000 teachers for technical training institutes. I will only urge the Budget and Appropriations Committee in the second Supplementary Budget to reinstate this amount so that enough teachers will be recruited in technical training institutes. On the laptops programme, I want to note that this is one of the pet projects of the Jubilee Government and it has been implemented very well for the last two to three years. I know there is a reduction of almost Kshs5 billion, but this reduction also needs to be reinstated in the second Supplementary Budget so that it succeeds very well. I note that the money allocated to infrastructure for schools last year was Kshs1.5 billion. This year it is Kshs1.6 billion. This means they have an additional amount of almost Kshs100 billion. This will go a long way in ensuring that the 100 per cent transition in schools in attained. In fact, the building and construction of schools across the country has been going on very well. The budget of Kshs2.1 billion that had been indicated earlier on had actually served well. On the TSC, I think there is a very small reduction of Kshs67 million which is on rationalisation. I support the Motion. Thank you. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Member for Suna East.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I stand to support this Motion on the Supplementary Estimates. I want to bring to the attention of Members where we are coming from as a Parliament before the new Constitution came into place. We are coming traditionally as a Parliament which had no role completely in budget- making and where they were allowed only to change 1 per cent of the total estimates. Hon. Kimunya is here to testify that he used to come to the House and read the budget estimates. It used to be a big day for him with some flowers on his coat. After that, Parliament just discussed the budget and every minister appeared here to seek his Vote and it ended there.

Currently, through the new Constitution, we have been given an opportunity to discuss and if possible, change, amend and do anything that we need to do for the benefit of the country. That goes with responsibility. You must be sure of how you want to execute that responsibility for the good of the country. It is very clear that austerity measures are needed at this point in time in our country. We have said that as a party, House and leaders. Secondly, I congratulate the Budget and Appropriations Committee for the good work they have done within the short time period they were given to look into the Supplementary Estimates. Yesterday when I was alone, I was thinking aloud on how this Committee will attend to this matter with the short period of time they had which was hours and not even a whole day. They have come out as brave men and women. I congratulate the NASA Coalition Members who are in that Committee. They have done a good job. They have come up with a Supplementary Budget that can resonate well with the House. Look at the issue of the NG-CDF. That is a very important matter to the Members of Parliament. There was a reduction of Kshs6 billion from that Fund. In their own wisdom, they neither increased nor decreased the allocation, but adhered to the statutory requirement of the law that the NG-CDF must be 2.5 per cent of the revenue. That came to Kshs33 billion. They just applied the law as required. The other issue is about the County Woman Representative’s Fund. About Kshs2 billion was removed. The Budget and Appropriations Committee, through the Chairman, Hon. Ichung’wah, in their own wisdom, brought back that Fund to take care of the affirmative action programmes that are in place in this country. I beseech Members to support this Supplementary Budget whichever side of the House you belong to. There was no other way the Committee could have done justice to the Supplementary Budget. The Kshs1.5 billion has been allocated to the Judiciary. The other day, the Chief Justice was complaining in a Press conference that he has no money to fund courts and new buildings have stalled. Under the Supplementary Estimates, there is Kshs1.5 billion for the Judiciary. There is more money allocated to the Director of Public Prosecutions, so that corruption can be fought and more money goes back to the Exchequer. As a Member of this House, I plead with the Members to pass this Motion and in the afternoon, we pass the Appropriations Bill so that we are seen to be people who take care of the interests of both the people of the Republic and the Government or the Executive on whose behalf we have been given the responsibility to legislate. It is very popular to say “No”. We have been in the “No camp” for many years. Some of us went to jail for saying “No”. You cannot close your eyes to reality.

Let us have Hon. Shollei. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Speaker, thank you for the opportunity. I rise to support this Motion by the Budget and Appropriations Committee. I would like to commend the Committee for the good work it has done. The Budget had been passed by this very House with a deficit. Therefore, the Supplementary Budget that has been presented before this House is not austerity measures, but rationalisation of our budget to speak together with the revenue that this country has. If this country does not plug its deficit, then we will have problems with our development partners such as the IMF. Remember, we have a fiscal deficit agreement with them and, therefore, if there is a deficit, we shall lose the support of donor funding. This is because any unfinanced items will cause public debt to rise. If public debt rises, the shilling shall fall and all of us in this country shall be in trouble. For that reason, I wish to support. I heard from Hon. Mbadi and the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee that there had been an attempt by the National Treasury to do away with the National Government Affirmative Action Fund. I want to tell Henry Rotich - in no uncertain terms - not to dare touch the National Government Affirmative Action Fund. If you do, you will be sending a message that this country or Government does not care for people living with disabilities, orphans and the vulnerable women and youth in our society. I also want to tell Henry Rotich in no uncertain terms to remember that women are 52 per cent of this country. We pay taxes and vote. Anyone who wants to have a political future in this country should remember that women are getting empowered. We shall mobilise ourselves and tell them that they do not need our 52 per cent vote if you want supporters with such meagre resources. Remember that the NG-CDF has not been reduced. In fact, it has been increased. At Kshs101 billion, it was at the required 2.5 per cent. It has been increased to Kshs110 billion. I do not begrudge our Members. You can have the NG-CDF because what you do is important. Please, do not touch the National Government Affirmative Action Fund. I ask all the women to support me to ensure that Henry Rotich does not attempt to ever do that again. It is unacceptable. He has no right to do that. All of us are also members of this country. With that, I support the Motion.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for this opportunity. Today, I stand here as a proud Member of the Opposition of this country in the National Assembly. I speak with a heavy heart, but a very clear conscience. The citizens of this country have spoken. They have been speaking for the last two to three weeks. Their position is very clear. We are between a rock and a hard place. How did we get there? This House passed an Appropriations Bill in which, we spent money. Later on, when the Finance Bill came to this House, we made very deliberate attempts to protect the Kenyan citizens and came up with a Finance Bill that did not give enough money on the appropriations that we had already passed in the House. Today, we have an opportunity to correct this situation. My proposal is that Kenya has an extremely ambitious budget. This budget is big because there are issues to do with debt repayments and duplication of roles. We all know that the National Assembly and the Senate do almost the same jobs. The Senate and the county assemblies do the same job. The DPP, the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) and the Ethics and Anti- Corruption Commission (EACC) kind of duplicate each other. It is important to look at some of those issues with a view of ensuring that we provide direction to the country. The Government has a lot of wastage in terms of trips and huge convoys of the leadership. Recently, the President talked about provision of extra police uniforms. All of us are The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

aware also about the corruption that goes on in our ministries, the NYS and the Ministry of Health. We need to figure out solutions. First and foremost, I support the reduction of the Budget. I wish that the Budget and Appropriations Committee had reduced the Budget to a level where we do not require to further tax Kenyans so that we can meet that Budget. Even as I support this Motion, I wish it was more than what we are reducing. I wish we further reduced it so that we do not seem like we want to save money for Parliament or the NYS. That is what many Members have said. I wish the Budget was reduced across the board so that in the afternoon, we do not discuss issues of increasing taxation on our people. I wish there was time for us to propose amendments and discuss them. We are between a rock and hard place. As a Member of the Opposition, I oppose this particular Report.

Member for Kiharu.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, for giving me this chance to contribute. As a new Member of Parliament, I feel very misrepresented by the utterances that were made by the Leader of the Majority Party. As we debate this matter, we are just rotating around very minute issues as far as percentage is concerned. The Leader of the Majority Party talked about the Parliamentary Service Commission budget, mileage and house allowances. I never vied to be the Member for Kiharu to come here so that I get mileage allowance, emoluments and exceeded allowances.

We have to stop misleading Kenyans by just rotating and parading this matter like it is about Members of Parliament. The issue before us is about Kenyans; it is not us. The issues we should be discussing are not about NG-CDF because as far as Kenyans are concerned, it is attached to us. The real issues are about roads, the Rural Electrification Authority (REA) and the Last Mile Connectivity Programme. I request my colleagues not to send the wrong signal out there. The issue is not about us because all those issues cumulatively are less than 5 per cent of the issues before us today.

As an economist, I have gone through what the Committee brought here today. I know that so many Kenyans are watching. The noes and ayes in this session are not about the 16 per cent VAT. Whether we say “no” or “yes”, it is not about the popular matter that Kenyans are waiting for out there. It is a matter of re-arranging Government money from one department to another. On that rearrangement, it is very good that you tell Kenyans that we are not increasing NG-CDF but reducing it from where we wanted it to be. However, it is good that we communicate very clearly that we had heavy rains in this country and all our roads, especially the feeder roads, were destroyed. If we support this Report, it is about a matter of postponing constructing those roads. As an economist, I support this Report but it can be different in the afternoon.

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I suppose the Member is at liberty to use the language he feels comfortable with. Member for Kilifi North.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. At the outset, I want to say that I oppose this Report. I consider the cuts and estimates that the Chairman has talked about of 16 per cent very superfluous. If you reduce the Government’s Recurrent Expenditure by 16 per cent but you continue to hold the items that spend that percentage, then you are still burdening the Government.

If you look at economics, it is very clear that if you have a building that costs you a certain amount of money to put up, you also need a consequential 25 per cent to run it. We have very many cars that guzzle a lot of petrol in this country, which are owned by the Government. We still have a lot of facilities in the Government. When the President was the Minister of the National Treasury, he once said that we dispose of Government assets to save money first and also embrace some austerity measures. The austerity measures that are being talked about here are just about cutting costs but not saving costs within what we already have. I believe very strongly that we should go ahead to look at these areas instead of having Cabinet Secretaries who are lazy. Every time the President asks for anything, they either cut the Budget or increase taxes. That is the only way this Government is run. I believe very strongly that we can look at offloading some of the assets that the Government has to ensure that we have more money to construct roads, hire teachers and do other things for this country.

There is a financing gap. It is being seen that if we cut Parliament’s budget, then we can take care of Kenyans. That is the wrong message being sent out. We are saying that there are better austerity measures that the Budget and Appropriations Committee can take to ensure that we have enough money. What we have is a very easy thing. They spent the night and cut budgets of various Government Ministries and departments, the NG-CDF and Parliament. The economists in this country can save this country from the huge Government that we have. It is one of the biggest in Africa. It has so many things that are put together. Before the current Government, we did not have Chief Administrative Secretaries (CASs). Every CAS comes in with a budget of over Kshs5million a month. If you multiply that by the number of ministries that we have, we have an increase in expenditure in this country. That is the first thing an economist can say. He can tell the President to cut this first, so that we can save money for the country.

There are certain things that you can cut which affect Kenyans. For example, TVET. The Government has a deliberate programme to empower Kenyans but you are saying that you want to cut the TVET budget today. Areas like where I come from, we do not have enough teachers and you are saying that we reduce the budget for employing teachers. What is the vision of the economy of this country? What is the vision of this Government in terms of public service and the economic and fiscal responsibilities that it has?

Hon. Speaker, I oppose this Report.

Hon. Sankok, what is your point of order?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.95. Reading the mood of the House, we are repeating the same things. I beg to move that you put the Question.

You remember that you passed a Motion earlier on to the effect that on general debate of supply, you will have two hours and 15 minutes. You must remember that. That is why every Member was given five minutes. That is why I told you that sometimes it is The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

not good to interrupt Members. If a Member has only five minutes and then you interrupt him, he loses his thought process. You destabilise him. He becomes like those areas in North and South Carolina, where there was Hurricane Florence. We do not want Members to be hit by something like that and the typhoons in China. Member for Garsen.

Asante sana, Mhe. Spika, kwa kunipatia hii fursa. Nawakilisha watu wa Garsen. Kwa maoni yao, kitu cha kwanza, kule Garsen kuna shida ya stima. Naona bajeti ya stima imeondolewa yote. Kitu kingine ni mambo ya Equalisation Fund, ambayo iko katika Katiba ya Kenya. Inafaidi watu wa sehemu kame. Inaoneka ni kama imeondolewa. Kama watu wa sehemu kame, tunafaidika kutokana na Equalisation Fund pamoja na stima na Hazina ya Kitaifa ya Maendeleo ya Maeneo Bunge (NG-CDF). Ukienda shule katika maeneo wakilishi Bunge yote Kenya, NG-CDF ndio inajenga shule na kambi za machifu na vituo vya polisi. Hiyo yote imeondolewa. Imepunguzwa, kumaanisha pesa zimeondolewa.

Mhe. Spika, pia mawaziri wako na magari ya msafara. Sijui wamechaguliwa na nani ama wako na maadui wa aina gani ndio inawalazimu kutembea na magari kwa msafara.

Kwa hivyo, napinga Bajeti hii vile imewasilishwa kwa ajili tunataka stima na Equalisation Fund kwa sehemu zetu kame.

Ahsante sana, Mhe. Spika.

Chair of the Departmental Committee on Lands, Hon. Nyamai.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I would like to start by saying that I support this Report by the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Last evening, I had the opportunity to go to Boma Hotel after visiting Ijara Constituency. Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee were very busy. In fact, nobody spoke to me because they were focusing on the figures to make sure that they only touched on areas that were not very sensitive.

Having figures on a piece of paper which cannot be funded is a shame. So for that reason, I would like to congratulate the Committee for focusing on areas that touch on various departments. They did not focus on one department. They also touched the House where I belong.

I would like to focus on the Big Four Agenda and I would like to give my constituency as a reference in Kitui County, which is a beneficiary of projects that have never been done since Independence. Kitui-Kibwezi Road is funded to a tune of Kshs18 billion by the Chinese. It is 146 kilometres long. I do not know what we can tell the people of Kitui County, Makueni County and all counties that are along that road if it is stopped because the country is not able to pay its debts.

The money we are talking about here and the deductions that we are doing for matters which are not luxurious are not as important as the projects that are being implemented. That is a matter that needs to be considered and we need to give as much support as we can to this Committee which touched on areas that are not extremely sensitive.

It is true that money for roads has been reduced, but it is also important for Hon. Members to notice that a lot of money has been devolved to counties or to governors so that they The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

can deal with the roads. For that reason, as I support this Report, it is now the responsibility of our governors to know that they need to deal with matters roads.

There are matters to do with projects that are ongoing in our constituencies at the moment. These are the Technical Training Institutes (TTIs) that we are constructing, the Kenya Medical Training Colleges we are building, the major roads and the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR). They have put our country in a very good trajectory as far as development is concerned.

The Big Four Agenda focus on universal health coverage, manufacturing, housing and food security, which are extremely important for this country. A country that is not healthy cannot implement other projects that are important for it.

Our country is also moving up. We are now being compared to other Sub-Saharan countries which are developed like South Africa. That is where we are today. It is also important that when we are comparing our level of development, we compare ourselves with countries like South Africa and Nigeria because that is the level where we are today.

The NG-CDF is not a project of Members of Parliament. It is a Fund for wananchi. It is a Fund that provides bursaries to poor children to make them get somewhere. It is a Fund which has developed our schools. I am in charge of 260 primary schools. I believe that Kitui South is the only constituency with 260 primary schools and 60 secondary schools. I thank the Committee for making sure that the budgets for NG-CDF and National Government Affirmative Fund (NGAF) are increased. I thank it for making NGAF afloat because this is a Fund for women Members of Parliament to fund social matters which NG-CDF does not cover.

With those remarks, I thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity and without shame or fear of contradiction, I support this Report.

Member for Homa Bay Town.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. There is a good reason why the people of Kenya under the new Constitution vested the power to budget in Parliament. When the Supplementary Estimates were tabled, my idea was that we had been thrown into something we needed to have because this is one function, as Parliament, we have taken very lightly in the past.

I will start by regretting that the Budget and Appropriations Committee has failed to do a good job with the opportunity that we have been given. We are still splashing too much money only to be wasted by Government. I would have expected that the entire money we give annually to the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology for school infrastructure goes to NG-CDF. I do not support NG-CDF because we are involved. We are not there. I do not care whether NG- CDF is zero or 10, but I care that this is the only Fund through which the classrooms which never existed in the country have been constructed. There are, of course, other funds. I do not care whether I travel as a Member of Parliament or not, but we needed some measures.

We waste a lot of money under irrigation programmes in the country like the Galana Kulalu with returns we cannot account for. Construction of dams in this country are billed at over Kshs38 billion. That is too much money. The amount of money we waste under the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

presidency on renovation of State houses and State lodges across the country is a lot. This is a calling for us as Members of Parliament to take such chances more seriously in future. We are being served with quinine to cure malaria. I ask Members to look at these estimates in terms of the reinstatement of the Kshs1.5 billion of the Judiciary budget. Hon. Members, in the past, we saw the Chief Justice crying that development budget for the Judiciary had been reduced to zero. I confirm to Members that the development budget and the court developments…

Hon. Speaker, Hon. Wanga is too loud in her consultations. I am being disrupted by her. The courts that are being built across the country were not being established by the Judiciary. They were, in fact, the initiative of this Parliament through the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. The truth is that even as we speak, the matter which was before a court in Homa Bay concerning the unfortunate murder of Sharon Otieno has had to be moved to Nairobi because we have no court where the accused and the Judiciary can be secure as they do their things. It is proposed that the Judiciary is to be added money. I know my position in the afternoon will not change but I request Members that for the sake of the development budget of the Judiciary, we support this particular one and move forward. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Vice Chair of Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. Mishra.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I support the smart and hard work of the Committee. We, parliamentarians, should be careful next time. We have to stop corruption. The people who have taken our money should give it back to the Government. Secondly, we should spend our money in a smart way. We should be wise when signing loan agreements. We know that some members of the international community are giving us loans easily. We have to be very careful with the terms and conditions. Otherwise, we will be in trouble in future. In this loan crisis, why not revisit the terms and conditions of the loans to extend the repayment period? The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Having said that, health is paramount. As one of the Big Four Agenda items of our President’s legacy, we would have been happy if we had not reduced the health budget. However, when we have another supplementary budget for health, we need to allocate it more resources. With those remarks, I support the Motion.

Hon. Members, remember that you are the ones who voted to have this Motion for two hours and fifteen minutes. So, when the time comes, you will go to the next stage – Committee of Supply – which, again, is further debate. Those of you who may know how this operates, it is still an opportunity to debate, but in a much more focused manner looking at the proposals with regard to various departments or programmes.

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

There is no problem with a Member rising on a point of order.

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Otiende Amollo, what is your point of order?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise under Standing Order 227 and indeed in line with your direction. Under Standing Order 207(6), all chairpersons of committees are invited to the meetings of Budget and Appropriations Committee. The minutes we have show that most of them did appear. When the limited time of two hours is taken by most of the chairmen, does that not rob us of our opportunity to contribute on this matter? I urge that the chairpersons be taken to have contributed during the meeting of the Committee so that the remaining time can be spent by the rest of the Members.

Thank you.

Hon. Otiende Amollo, obviously, you looked extremely agitated. It is okay for you to feel so agitated because you are not a chair of any of the committees, but your point is well taken. Indeed, that is why majority of those who have contributed are not chairs of the committees.

No!

Hon. Members, it is also good to know what I am saying. I said “majority” but the point raised by Hon. Otiende Amollo is valid. It should not be taken as indicting chairpersons who have contributed. Hon. Members, you had said two hours fifteen minutes.

No!

You cannot say “no”. You still do not want to go by what you passed?

Hon. Chris Wamalwa, similarly, the point being raised by Hon. Otiende Amollo, the way you sit in a row there, when all of you have an opportunity to speak, the other Members behind you feel like they do not belong here. Hon. Wamalwa, when you see me pick a Member behind you, please feel that they also have capacity to interrogate the Motion. They are your Members and they belong validly and legitimately to the House. It is not that if you do not speak, this The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

House will come down crumbling. No! You should have faith in your colleagues who are also contributing. In any event, we are still proceeding with the business. This is the problem when so many of you come to consult. Sometimes, I do not even know who spoke last. I think the person who spoke last was from this side. There is also the question of a few corners of the country. Member for Bomachoge, you could speak for a few minutes before the time ends.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am worried because most of the time…

Do not get worried. Contribute! Go straight to the Motion. Your time is running!

Hon. Speaker, I stand to oppose this Motion. I do not want to take more time. It is very unfair. I acknowledge the Budget and Appropriations Committee. It is doing some good work but my worry is that it is reducing most critical areas affecting our Kenyans. At the moment, Kenyans are crying because of heavy taxation. We are discussing a very important Bill in the afternoon about zero taxation. Everybody here is “zero”. If you reduce emergency intervention of roads by Kshs8.7 billion… Remember, a country without a road network is not a developing country. If we reduce the budgetary allocations of the NG-CDF and that of affirmative action fund for women and electricity, will we be a country? With those remarks, I oppose this amendment in the strongest voice possible.

Member for Tharaka, you have less than three minutes.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support the Motion and request that we adopt the Report. First and foremost, my observation is that this Supplementary Budget is really a reflection of the austerity measures that we do have to undertake, so as to comply with the major budget that we have before us. We have cuts proposed across sections. We have had to deal with reductions of the allocations we had made in respect of the Budget. While we say we can live with this, we have to look at what is ahead of us. We have to tighten our belts because it is proposed that we will be taxed more. However, my own reflection on this is that we should ensure that citizens are not taxed more than they are being taxed today. We have to try and live with what we have always had and what we have in our purses. Also, we must emphasise that, as a country, we have to fight corruption which is endemic in this country. Citizens are taxed and the money falls into the hands of corrupt individuals, who actually misappropriate money meant for development. We have to avoid and run away from wastage of our funds and ensure that whatever funds we have, are spent for the benefit of everyone. While I do support the Report, it is very important to note that, as a country, we are against higher taxations. We also have to fight corruption and ensure that our funds are used properly so that Kenyans can benefit. We are going to the constituencies where we would want to see development. The constituents are waiting for us and are crying that they do not want to experience any more taxation. However, because we have to go by the austerity measures, I support this Motion and urge that we move on to look at the Supplementary Appropriations Bill. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

I support.

Hon. Olago Aluoch.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The tenet of modern democracy is that there should be no taxation without representation. That is why we have brought them to this House. I looked at the Report that we are debating and I have listened very carefully to those who are supporting and those who are opposing. What comes to my mind is this: For the last seven days or so, the media has been reporting on these deliberations in a way that is slanted against this House; not knowing the fact that this House is the one that can save the country. I want to say that the Committee under my good friend Hon. Ichung’wah has looked at the Report that has put us under fire. The spotlight is on this House arising from what came from the National Treasury. I wonder because if it was not for this Committee and we left this in the hands of the Cabinet Secretary Rotich and his mandarins at the Treasury, where would this country be? I have looked at what is in this Report and I have seen the difficulty this has got to undergo. We have got to toe the thin line between analysing what we are able to raise and what we are able to spend. I have looked and listened very carefully to the Chairman of Justice and Legal Affairs Committee, Hon. Cheptumo, talking about the difficulties in the Judiciary. I have listened to Hon. Kaluma and having analysed all this, I want to say that we have to take this pill that is bitter. I wish to support this Report, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Members, in terms of the resolution passed by this House, it is now time for the Mover to reply, and I accordingly call upon him to do so.

Just to alert you Hon. Members, even after this, we are still proceeding with the supply. Those Members who have not spoken, you still have a chance to express yourself one way or the other, with regard to the Supply, department by department. You have not completely lost out. Do not be gloomy.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to thank the many Members that have contributed, both those who have supported this Motion and those who have raised their concerns. I particularly note the concerns raised by Hon. Milemba Omboko and Hon. Osotsi especially on the TVETs. It is; indeed, true that we reduced the budget that was allocated to TVETs by Kshs1billion and that is money that was allocated for hiring of teachers for TVETs. In terms of rationalising this budget, we had to look at how many of our technical training institutes are completed, equipped and ready to admit students and how many teachers they need. We left a budget of Kshs1billion and took away Kshs1billion so that we do not hire teachers who have nowhere to be placed. As we roll out the budget and more TTIs are completed, we will reinstate this amount and hire more teachers in this sector.

On the question that Hon. Osotsi raised on increased allocation to the health department, you know that the health sector is one of our pillars in the Big Four Agenda and that is why there is an increased allocation in health care up to a tune of about Kshs11 billion. Again, as Hon. Osotsi said, Konza City is one of the areas that we reduced their budget by Kshs400 million. That amount was for development towards the completion of Konza City. As I said, these are monies that, should revenues increase, we are bound to return. It is important to mention to Members that this is just but the first supplementary budget. We can do as many supplementary budgets as we want in the course of a financial year. However, it was imperative because of the shortfall in revenue to have a supplementary budget that will cut part of our budget expenditure and it is only reflective of the shortfall in revenues because of the issues that we will be addressing this afternoon on VAT Bill. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

It is also important to mention that whatever decisions the House makes in the afternoon, should we not be able to raise even the 8 per cent VAT on the Finance Bill, we will be forced to do further budget cuts. That is why it is very important that we understand that. I urge Members to support this Motion for us to appropriate this money in a way that our Budget is balanced, and show the world that we are a country that has a good fiscal discipline.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to reply.

Hon. Members, once again, because of the resolution of the House in the morning, we will proceed to the next Order. I will call upon the clerk call out the next Order.

(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Order Members. We are now in the Committee of Supply for the Supplementary Estimates for the year ending 30th June 2019. Hon. Lessonet, are you standing in for Hon. Ichung’wah?

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1011: THE PRESIDENCY THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1011 (The Presidency) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 323,000,976 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

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VOTE 1021: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR INTERIOR THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1021 (State Department for Interior) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 376,922,019 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1023: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR CORRECTIONAL SERVICES THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1023 (State Department for Correctional Services) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 255,312,396 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1024: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR IMMIGRATION & CITIZEN SERVICES THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1024 (State Department for Immigration & Citizen Services) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 91,689,182 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1032: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR DEVOLUTION THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1032 (State Department for Devolution) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 2,568,506,285 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1035: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF ASAL THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1035 (State Department for Development of ASAL) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 47,421,981 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

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VOTE 1041: MINISTRY OF DEFENCE THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1041 (Ministry of Defence) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 42,980,205 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1052: MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1052 (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 179,548,051 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1064: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR VOCATIONAL & TECHNICAL TRAINING THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1064 (State Department for Vocational & Technical Training) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 1,328,458,809 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1066: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR EARLY LEARNING & BASIC EDUCATION THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1066 (State Department for Early Learning & Basic Education) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 1,087,319,184 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Mover. Hon. Lessonet, are you standing in for Hon. Ichung’wah?

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1067: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR RESEARCH & UNIVERSITY EDUCATION THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1067 (State Department for Research & University Education) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 1,070,042,919 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

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THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1071 (The National Treasury) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 6,574,719,788 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1072: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR PLANNING THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1072 (State Department for Planning) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 286,361,855 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1081: MINISTRY OF HEALTH THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1081 (Ministry of Health) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 22,043,602 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1091: STATE DEPARTMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1091 (State Department of Infrastructure) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 8,733,976,483 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1092: STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1092 (State Department of Transport) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 26,753,152 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1093: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR MARITIME AFFAIRS THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1093 (State Department for Maritime Affairs) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 18,082,641 in respect of the expenditure The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1096: STATE DEPARTMENT FOR HOUSING, URBAN DEVELOPMENT & PUBLIC WORKS

THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1093 (State Department for Housing, Urban Development & Public Works) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 79,959,293 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1107: MINISTRY OF WATER SERVICES & SANITATION THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1107 (Ministry of Water Services & Sanitation) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 73,763,466 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1108: MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT & FORESTRY THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1108 (Ministry of Environment & Forestry) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 135,752,442 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1112: MINISTRY OF LANDS & PHYSICAL PLANNING THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1112 (Ministry of Lands & Physical Planning) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 18,288,329 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 1162 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR LIVESTOCK The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1162 (State Department for Livestock) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs27,759,716 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move: VOTE 1192 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR MINING

THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1192 (State Department for Mining) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs85,791,717 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent &Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move: VOTE 1211 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND YOUTH

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THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 1211 (State Department for Public Service & Youth) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs122,300,931 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

VOTE 2081 - SALARIES & REMUNERATION COMMISSION

THAT, the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 in respect of Vote 2081 (Salaries & Remuneration Commission) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs. 14,273,363 in respect of the expenditure (Recurrent & Development) towards the services for the year ending 30th June, 2019 for the specified Programmes.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Order Members! I now call upon the Mover to move reporting.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee of Supply do report to the House its consideration of the Supplementary Estimates for the 2018/2019 Financial Year and its approval thereof with amendments.

Chairperson.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2018/2019 and approved the same with amendments. Pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution of Kenya and Standing Order Nos. 240(a) and 243, it has approved that the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June 2019 be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs37,603,662,418, in respect of the recurrent and development expenditure for votes as approved in the Schedule.

Mover.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee of Supply in its consideration of the Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2018/2019. Pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution of Kenya and Standing Order Nos. 240(a) and 243, it has approved that the supply granted for the services for the year ending 30th June 2019 be reduced by a sum not exceeding Kshs37,603,662,418, in respect of the recurrent and development expenditure for votes as The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

approved in the Schedule. I also request Hon. Moses Lessonet who is my able Vice Chair to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of Supply.

Hon. Lessonet.

I thank you, Hon. Speaker. I second.

Put the Question.

Hon. Members, it seems that it is the desire of the House that I put the Question.

Order Members. Hon. Members, at this rate, it looks like the more we get experienced, the more we forget. I hope we do not forget our rules. The Member for Mavoko wants to whisper something, when I am on my feet.

The net effect of what you have done gives room for Supplementary Appropriations Bill to be prepared and be ready to be tabled before the House this afternoon at 2.30 p.m. to avoid a situation whereby Members may want to rise claiming to be technicians. This being Supplementary Estimates Bill, it is permitted to go to all the stages without leave of the House. So, I do not want any Member to rise in his place claiming that there is no leave. That is granted automatically. You did that by passing the Standing Orders. Therefore, there will be no need. We will just deal with the Supplementary Appropriation Bill when it is brought before the House. This paves way for its publication. There will be no time for prepublication, scrutiny or consulting villagers and such like stuff. So, please, nobody should come to address me on the issue. Deal with it now. I would want that as soon as it is published. I know there are many technicians in that area who can start looking at it with a toothcomb now.

We had passed a Motion that we would sit up to 1.30 p.m. subject to completing the business which the House has just concluded.

Hon. Members, there being no other business, the House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30 p.m.

The House rose at 1.17 p.m.

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