(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Members, we are short on quorum. I can see a number of Members walking in. Either way, I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for 10 minutes.
Order, Hon. Members! We are now good to go. We can start calling out the business.
Order, Members. Business has started. Kindly, let us consult in low tones. Hon. Wanga, what is out of order?
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I wanted to seek your guidance as to whether the Hon. Member for Tiaty is properly dressed to be in the Chamber. He is wearing a big kabuti. Could we be guided as to whether the Member is properly dressed?
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Member for Tiaty, I cannot see your chest. Do you have a tie on? I think he is properly dressed.
He actually looks very stylish for the manner and where he comes from. Let us go on.
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I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House: Hotuba ya Mhe. Samia Suluhu Hassan, Rais wa Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania, alipohutubia Kikao cha Pamoja cha Bunge na Jamhuri ya Kenya, Nairobi, tarehe 5/5/2021. The Reports of the Auditor General and Financial Statements in respect of the following institutions for the Financial Year ended 30th June 2020 and the certificates therein: (a) Commission on Revenue Allocation. (b) Tanathi Water Works Development Agency. (c) Outstanding obligations guaranteed by the Government of Kenya. (d) The Rural Enterprise Fund. (e) The Kenya Institute of Supplies Management. (f) The State Department for Housing and Urban Development. (g) The Contingencies Fund. (h) The State Department for Cooperatives. (i) The Land Settlement Fund. (j) The State Department for Immigration and Citizen Services.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Next Order.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): The Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.
I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 120, this House resolves to reduce the publication period of the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.18 of 2021) from 14 days to 6 days. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, given the anticipated recess that the House will be proceeding on this Thursday according to our House Calendar, if this Bill waits for the 14 days publication period, we will not be able to carry out the necessary public participation in good time. This is because the Bill must be concluded by 30th June so that the taxes collected from 1st July are in accordance to the Finance Bill. This is just to enable us to have adequate time to carry out public participation so as to incorporate the views of Kenyans and deal with the Bill as quickly as possible. I beg to move and request the Leader of the Majority Party to second.
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Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I agree with Chair of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning that we have these changes in the Calendar. It is a money Bill that does not have a lot of issues. If we do the First Reading, we can have the Bill debated in the Committee and public participation during this recess period. I second the Procedural Motion and ask Members to support to unlock the necessary steps and have this Bill discussed alongside Budget Estimates so that we are able to see the supply and the demand sides concurrently.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Order!
Put the Question!
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Should I proceed to put the Question?
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Next Order!
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): The Chairperson, Select Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, please allow me to speak without a mask because of my glasses.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): I understand that because of vaporization you will not be able to see. The Members around you should ensure that they have their masks on.
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Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Select Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library on the Formulation of Parliamentary Broadcasting Channels, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, December 03, 2020. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Select Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library is established pursuant to the National Assembly Standing Order No. 212D and is mandated to, inter alia, “advise the House on matters related to broadcasting of the Houseproceedings”. Since 2008, the Parliamentary Broadcasting Unit has played a critical function of disseminating information on the role of Parliament in legislation, oversight and representation. Through a contractual agreement with the Kenya Broadcasting Corporation (KBC), Parliament has enabled the public to receive real time debates in the plenary House proceedings of the two Houses of Parliament. However, due to Kenya Broadcasting Corporation (KBC) limited scope of coverage and broadcast time, it has been noted that Parliament needs to explore the idea of establishing its own broadcasting channel to air plenary and Committee proceedings in both Houses, among other productions.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, in 2019, two delegations from the Committee visited Parliaments of Zambia and Korea to benchmark on the operations of parliamentary broadcasting and the reports of the visits have since been tabled in the House.
Hon. Speaker, on Thursday 13th August 2020, following a written request by the Chairperson of the Committee to the Speaker of the National Assembly, the Clerk of the National Assembly appointed a working committee whose membership was drawn from the National Assembly secretariat and Kenya Broadcasting Corporation to work on the formulation of Parliament Signet Channels.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Terms of Reference (ToRs) of the working committee included, among others to: (i) Design a model television channel to include coverage of plenary Sittings, committee meetings, county assemblies and general content generation. (ii) Draft a seven-day programming schedule to ensure that there is adequate content to sustain the channels 24/7. Draft an overview of the type of content to be aired in the National Assembly Signet TV Channel. (iii)Draw personnel, production and technical budget of the implementation of the TV channels. (iv) Give clear guidelines on advertisements, programme sponsorship, and finally produce a comprehensive report with timelines on the process and requirements in the implementation of the TV channels for consideration and approval by the Commission.
Hon. Speaker, the working committee task force handed in their findings to the Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library during a retreat held in Machakos County from 13th to 17th September, 2020. During the same retreat, the Communications Authority of Kenya and the Chief Executive Officer of Constituency Development Fund board gave their The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Kizito, I did not want to interrupt you. At one point you went into public rally mode and referred to Members as ladies and gentlemen.
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Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, being an educationist, I am used to that. A lot of the time I refer to people as ladies and gentlemen. Nevertheless, you are Hon. Members. Above all, you are also ladies and gentlemen. I beg to move and ask Hon. Jerusha to second. Thank you.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Jerusha.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to second the Report on the formulation of PBU. The work that we do as parliamentarians needs to be known out there. Of course we have the Bunge Signet and Senate Signet which give information to our people on what we do in this honourable House, but the time we are allocated by KBC is so limited that our people are not able to follow all that we do, specifically what we do in Committees. Most of the work that we do is at the Committee level. That is where we interrogate in details all the issues that we deal with. But the Committee level proceedings are never covered. When we are in this House, it may not be possible for everyone to contribute and be covered so that the voters out there can see or understand our contributions. That is why we urge this House to support this report so that Parliament can have its own channel, which will enable it to cover all the proceedings that take place here. What is also good here is that if we get the Bunge channel, it will cover the Senate and the National Assembly. It will also cover what the county assemblies do. This is going to enable the general public to understand exactly what Members of Parliament do. The two hours in a week by KBC are not enough. We want to urge Members to support this report so that we are free to tell our story. When people look at what we tell them, they will be able to make their own informed judgement on us based on what we do. Since the inception of Parliament, there are many materials in the archives which need to be broadcasted. It is hard for them to be broadcasted because of the little time we are given by the Signets we have contracted. If we have our own Signet, we will be able to broadcast these stories to be known very well to our people. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I second this report and urge the House to support it so that we can have our own channel. Thank you, Miss Speaker.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Members, I think it would suffice to just say Madam Speaker.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Let us have Hon. Nyasuna.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this report by the Committee. I want to thank the Chair, Hon. Kizito; the Vice-Chair, Hon. Jerusha; and members of this Committee. The matter they have brought is long overdue. One of the most misunderstood institutions is Parliament. The public feels we are overpaid and underworking. This is because the work that each Member does and the work that we do collectively do not get to be seen by the public. What the public sees is what the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): The Leader of the Majority Party. And Hon. Members package your thoughts into five minutes.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Let me begin by commending the Committee for the detailed report they have presented and for the work they put in. This report basically puts into focus the details of what we need to do, where we are and where we have come from. I believe nothing can stand in the way of an idea whose time has come, somebody said this and I agree with it. If Members may recall for those of us who have been around for a while, you may remember the days of Voice of Kenya (VOK) before it became Kenya Broadcasting Corporation (KBC). After news there used to be some caption, ‘ Leo katika Bunge’ and we would listen to hear who said what in a very abridge version. Obviously, there were political interferences and if you were not aligned you would never be covered.
We have come along way, fast forward to the time we joined. We did not have live coverage and we depended on televisions to pick and show what they wanted. I believe when Hon. Marende was the Speaker, he started some initiative with some funding from the State The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Nyenze Edith.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Let me support the Motion on the Formulation of Parliamentary Broadcasting Channels. These channels will cover the proceedings of the House and Committees. In Parliament we are very many and most times Members contribute in Committee meetings. These channels will help members of the public know what parliamentarians are doing.
You will also note that many schools visit Parliament to learn and apply in their education the proceedings of Parliament. But not many schools are privileged to visit this House. So having channels where proceedings will be covered will be very beneficial to our students because they will learn what we do in Parliament and apply it. What is covered in the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Sankok.
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to also inject my voice on this very important Motion. I congratulate the Committee led by Hon. Kizito for such a very important and timely Motion. This House is a political gathering in accordance with Article 1 of our Constitution where we exercise sovereignty of our people who delegated it to us as the light of this country. It is a light of this country. According to the Bible in the book of Mathew 5:15 or Luke 11:33...
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Sankok, you said the House is a political gathering. That is according to whose gospel? What interpretation were you making?
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I was saying that we exercise the sovereignty of the people in this House which they delegate to us in Article 1 of the Constitution.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): That is true, but certainly not a political gathering.
Actually, we are supposed to be speaking to them directly so that they know that their authority and sovereignty that they delegated to us is not going in vain. I said according to Mathew 5:15...
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): You are so good in meandering and painting a black wall white, but at least we need to agree that this is not a political gathering.
Okay, I have agreed. I am well guided. According to Mathew 5:15 and Luke 11:33, you cannot light a light and put it under the table. You light a light and put it somewhere that all people will see. The light of this country is actually within this House of Parliament because this is where laws are made. This is where The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Osotsi.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to also support this very important Motion. This is very noble idea of parliamentary broadcast project. I have read through that big Report and I can tell you that there is a huge business case for this project because this particular project will go a long way in strengthening the functions of Parliament. As you are aware, Members of Parliament have three critical functions, that is, legislation, oversight and representation. A lot of our work, that is 80 per cent of the functions of a Member of Parliament, is undertaken in the committees. Probably, we only do 20 per cent here in the plenary. That is where we have been misunderstood because we are only judged by what we do here on the Floor and even when Hon. 001 talks about
, Mzalendo does not go into what we do in the committees. They only come and watch the live coverage of this plenary and then they are able to judge people by their contributions even when they say nothing on this Floor. However, I think with this live broadcast we are going to communicate well with the people we represent and we will be understood better. Most importantly, even attendance of parliamentary sessions like committees will improve because no Member of Parliament will want to be absent in a parliamentary committee that is being broadcast live. So, that again will improve on the challenges we face within committees of punctuality, quorum, attendance and all those things. I have some wealth of experience in this area and you will allow me to just pick a few things which are captured in the Report. I also think that the Report tried to capture all the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Osotsi, you have one minute.
Maybe you can add me one more. The issue of technology has also been captured, especially integration with ICT, which will be very clear. No media station will survive without integrating with ICT. Then there is the advertisement and sponsorship plan. Most importantly is the business case where in short term they intend to run with KBC and then in the long term there will be a special purpose vehicle. However, even as we engage KBC, we must be alive to the challenges that KBC is facing.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Kiarie.
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I am really honoured to be contributing to this very important debate. I would like to first say a big thank you to this Committee for preparing such an amazing and timely Report. What is being proposed here is indeed long overdue. This is what we should have done as far back as the 9th Parliament. It is said that if you do not tell your story someone else will tell your story and the way they will tell your story might not be to your liking. It is the people of Ghana who tell us that until the lion tells his side of the story, the story about the hunting will always glorify the hunter. This explains why this institution has become the punching bag of this Republic; we are not telling our story as it is. Our story is being told by other people out there. It is said that he who controls the media controls the mind. The people who are broadcasting the story of Parliament out there are actually controlling the psyche and the thinking of the population. We all agree that in Parliament we do a lot of work behind the scenes. The unglamorous and unreported work is actually the heavy lifting. When we go back to look at the television in the evening, we see three minutes of a plenary engagement between the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of Minority Party. That is all the reporting that we will see that day from Bunge . What is being proposed here is fundamental? I am glad that the chairman talked about the formulation of parliamentary broadcasting channels. In these channels what we are getting into is the business of content creation. We shall be broadcasting ourselves to the world in the way we would like to be seen. The tenets of communication are such that you need to have a message, a channel and an audience. The message is there, we are churning out content after content in this House through our parliamentary debates, in committees and even in the field. The audience is The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Well said. Let us have hon. Masara Francis.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Report. Firstly, I want to congratulate the Committee for doing a good job. Establishing of Bunge channel is long overdue. In our Constitution, the right to access information is fundamental. Therefore, we cannot allow other people to be reporting on our behalf. If we allow this channel to be established, I am sure we are going to lower the cost of public participation through Parliament because those who elected and nominated the 290 elected MPs, the 47 elected women representatives and the nominated Members of Parliament, are always expecting return for their investment. The return on their investment is showing them what we are doing in Parliament. Some reports have been given out here. A Member of Parliament may have spoken several times in Parliament, but when it is reported, they say that the Member spoke only twice through their lifetime in Parliament. With such a reporting, most Members are losing their seats because the electorates will say they are not able to speak and articulate issues affecting their constituencies.
Another reason I am supporting this Report is because information is power. However, accurate information is more powerful. Majority of the people are viewing this House as the enemy of the people, yet we are all elected. When you get reported by other media houses, you will realise that they are talking as if we are not doing any work. I belong to Public Accounts Committee. In this Committee, we usually sacrifice our time and holidays to sit in the committee so that we can table a report in this House. The other reason why I am supporting this report for establishment of Bunge channel is, 290 constituencies are being given money for development and county women representative are given money for affirmative action. If we do not get a channel where we can give feedback to the people on the usage of these monies, we are doing disservice to the public. If this channel is established, we will create time for each and every constituency so that they can display and show the public what they have done with their money. If this channel is established, I am sure even the level of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Member for Ndaragwa, Hon. Jeremiah Kioni.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me an opportunity to support this Report on Departmental Committee on Broadcasting and Library, for the work they have done. As we do this, we should agree that the Committee and the Government should not abandon the KBC. We have abandoned KBC, we are underfunding it and that is costing us a lot. As we speak, the employees of KBC are out there without a pay. I think it is important even as we seek to move to other areas, we ensure that we do not abandon KBC because their staff will suffer. We must make sure that the station functions and helps the country to move forward. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, even as we dabate today, it is important we remember that we are here in the night and Kenyans are watching movies from Nigeria now through the private stations. Nobody knows that we are seated here working for them. So, even as you are lamenting, they are still not with you, they are doing other things. Look at this Report. It was done by the Public Accounts Committee. How many Kenyans know that Parliament produces these kinds of reports? How many institutions in this country produce these kinds of reports within the time that, say, PAC produces its reports? Like others have said, if we do not tell our story, others will tell it in the way they have done it over the years. This is yet another Report done by the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee (JLAC) within a very short while and we dealt with it but nobody will get to know these things unless we get this done. We have again done ourselves in. After we debate here and pass this Motion, like we did the Bill on Public Fundraising Appeals a little earlier, we then subject ourselves to the Senate. The Senate may not have the urgency that we have here. So, good things could easily be lost within the one year that is lost here. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, another thing that we need is to challenge the courts for having misled the institutions that we must subject our work to one another while the Constitution is very clear as to what needed to go to the other side. We commend the Royal Media Services, Kenya Television Network (KTN) and the others, but they are in the profit- making business; they are not here to help us grow ourselves. They are not here for anything else. So, they will only cover us if we make an interesting and a populist statement; that is what will find its way into the media because they are looking for money and they want more viewers. They are not interested in what comes after that and they do it the way they want. If we allow this to continue, we can only blame ourselves. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): What is TNA Government, Hon. Kioni?
Well, I hope we have been together here, unless there are Members who may have come...
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): I thought we only have one Government: the Jubilee Government.
Yes, we do but it is the question of having been there and being students of history. I know memory cannot be failing you so quickly. We had the TNA Government a short while ago, but now we have Jubilee Government.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): You are suffering from political hangover.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Constitution says that KBC is supposed to balance time among political parties. We have completely abandoned that aspect of the Constitution and we have run to the private media. They have been very useful to their programmes and to their objective which is to make profit, but not what we should be doing as Members of this House. I thank the Committee for what they have done and ask that we make sure that even as we subject this Report to the Senate, it does not die during this remaining one year. It would be very unfortunate for us if this is not picked by us before the end of this term. I thank you.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Member for Funyula, Hon. (Dr.) Wilberforce Oundo.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity. I stand here to support the Report by the Broadcasting and Library Committee of the National Assembly concerning establishing a dedicated channel or channels to disemminate activities and information concerning the National Assembly and the other House, the Senate. As we always say, what people do not know has not happened, what people have not heard has not been said. Parliament, ordinarily, looking at the pecking order in the Constitution of Kenya, is an exalted House. What it does, any activities it undertakes, it needs to go out there to the people. I can surely say, and very many of my colleagues will agree with me, a number of Kenyans do not know the job description of a Member of Parliament. A number of Kenyans do not know what a Member of Parliament does. Many Kenyans only know a Member of Parliament with regard to the distribution of the NG - CDF and undertaking NG - CDF projects. Many Kenyans only appreciate the work of a Member of Parliament when they get involved in social activities and community projects. Yet, looking at the Constitution, the National Assembly legislates on behalf of the people of Kenya. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the National Assembly protects the interests of the people of Kenya. Where does those activities take place? They takes place in Parliament, in the Chambers, in the committees and other related activities. That particular aspect is never taken outside there. What we normaly see is those many of us who I want to call mavericks, who stand The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I support this Report. This Report is very important to this House. Many people do not understand what we do just as my colleagues have said. If you look at what we are doing at our constituencies, when those young guys post what Members of Parliament are doing, people really appreciate what we are doing. It seems that so many Kenyans do not understand the work of a Member of Parliament. That is why we are suffering. It is because they lack information and yet information is power. The nation will come to appreciate what we do as Members of Parliament. If you look at those channels which usually broadcast what we say and do, sometimes they do not show everything we do. We need a channel which will give Kenyans the right information. Everybody has a right to get that information. We engage in a lot of activities but nobody gets to know that. It is very important for this Report to be implemented because people will understand what we usually do. The activities that we engage in are not viewed by the electorate. As the Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library Committee, we benchmarked in very many areas. I was in the delegation which visited Zambia. In Zambia, there is a direct link from Parliament to the constituencies. In Kenya, we are only in the House and the view the public gets The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Let us have the Member for Kanduyi, Hon. Wamunyinyi.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for the opportunity to speak on this Report on the Formulation of Parliamentary Broadcasting Channels, tabled by Hon. Kizito, the distinguished Member for Shinyalu and Chair of the Committee. From the outset, the Committee has done a good job and deserves to be commended. I also served on the Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library Committee between 1997 and 2002, when the idea of a live broadcast was mooted. We had the popular “ Leo Katika Bunge” Programme which came after the news, every time we had a session of Parliament. It was a very popular programme. We needed to do more because back then, it was only KBC reporting “ LeoKatika Bunge” . We came up with the idea of having a live broadcast. That is where the current live broadcast came from. We have seen KBC doing a good job but the hours are limited. There are only six hours for each House for the entire week. Not much of the business that we transact here is broadcast. Furthermore, reports of committees or the business of the committees of the House are not broadcast. Most Members who do not get time to speak on the Floor speak during committees because the numbers in the House make it very difficult for all Members to speak. When different committees are sitting and are broadcast, even Members who do not speak in the House are very active in committees. It will give a chance for the public and constituents to understand that their representatives are doing their work towards implementation of the mandate given to them to oversee. Oversight is mostly done at committees where witnesses are summoned, appear before committees, are questioned by Members and respond to issues. That is where accountability takes place. The proposed formulation of the parliamentary broadcasting channel will allow for more time and coverage. Members will be seen throughout the session of business of the House. If we had our own channel, it would currently be broadcasting the business of the House up to this moment. Today, we only had one hour or two of broadcast time before they moved to the Senate. It is very difficult for Members, even if there is a live broadcast of Parliament. As someone said, people only see Hon. Kimunya, the Leader of the Majority Party and Hon. Mbadi, the Leader of the Minority Party. Whenever there are issues, they are given priority. There is nothing wrong with that because that is the tradition. That happens everywhere. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Let us have Hon. Nanok.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for the opportunity to add my voice to this debate. From the outset, I rise to support this Report. I thank my colleagues who have spoken before me and have already lent their support to the Report. That speaks to the agreement and factuality of the Report that the Committee has tabled before the House today. I happen to be a Member of the Committee. From the outset, I remember our stories in 2013 in the 11th Parliament when the public were made to believe that we were not MPs but “M- Pigs”. That word has remained in the public domain. We have been called liars, thieves and all manner of words describing a Member of Parliament. That is the reason why Parliament needs to catch with both hands this opportunity to tell their story on their own. These channels will give us that opportunity. I do not understand the parameters used in the ranking of Members of Parliament that we keep on seeing in the Press.
Article 94 of the Constitution is very clear about the roles, functions or responsibilities of Members of Parliament. They are just three: oversight, legislation and representing the people of our constituencies. There is no function called giving funds to all Harambees that you are invited to in your constituency or in other places, or attending all the funerals. The public has been made to believe that these are the functions of the Members of Parliament. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I believe that these Parliamentary Broadcasting channels will give us the opportunity to say our story the way we understand it.
These broadcasting channels will be our medium of educating the public on public policies. Public participation will be enhanced because these channels will be dedicated 24 hours, seven days a week. They will say the story of what happens in Parliament. I led the delegation that went to visit the Parliament of South Korea on broadcasting issues. What we saw there in Parliament is special. The Parliament of South Korea sits in the Chamber once a week. It broadcasts committee sittings four days of the week. All the committees of South Korea Parliament are broadcast live. That was a very educative and informative engagement with that Parliament. Our substantive Speaker states here that Parliament in the Chamber is Parliament in exhibition. However, Parliament in committees is Parliament at work.
I believe that these broadcasting channels will accord us the opportunity to become the Parliament at work because that is where most of the work is undertaken. If these channels will be there, they will give us the opportunity to be known that we are a working chamber or arm of Government like the other two.
With those remarks, I support the Motion.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Wanyonyi Kevin. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to take this opportunity to thank the Chairman, Hon. Kizito, because this Committee has been there. I want to thank him for coming up with the Motion on Formulation of Parliamentary Broadcasting Channels. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, you are part of us. People misunderstand the work of Parliament and the Members of Parliament.
First of all, the public misunderstands the work of the National Government- Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF). I am sorry because the Chairman of the NG-CDF has left. They think that work is for people to put money in their pockets.
Secondly, I can see that this House is not even full. If we had these broadcasting channels, I am sure that this House would be full. Every Member would try to do his or her best. This would solve the problem of lack of quorum which leads to ringing the bell and wasting time for our debates. Members would be enthusiastic to come to this House, debate and make the best presentation for our country.
Thirdly, as somebody said, the objective of this particular Motion is long overdue. Somebody showed us some documents here. People do not even know what we do here. The media broadcasts bad things only. For example, we had a serious issue this afternoon on a Member who said that Members of Parliament were bribed, so that they can vote for the Constitution of Kenya (Amendment) Bill 2020. That is what will hit the headline tomorrow. If we had our broadcasting channel, I am sure that we would do a better thing than what we will see tomorrow.
My other point has been talked about by three Members of Parliament. When I was in school, I used to listen to the programme “ Leo Katika Bunge ”. I waited keenly to see who said what like the late Hon. Martin Shikuku and Hon. Cherono. These are people who talked very well. Everybody was interested to listen to what they said. The formulation of Parliamentary Broadcasting Channels is long overdue. Chairman, go ahead and give us the bill of quantities for whatever things you require and we will pass them, so that we can move forward. People need to understand the work of Members of Parliament. As you mentioned, the Members of the County Assemblies (MCA) will be covered in this Motion. Therefore, this programme is very good. I expect people not to vote for Members of Parliament because they attended funerals and gave out money for Harambee . That is what exactly happens out there. People say that they do not see a certain Member of Parliament because there was a funeral somewhere and he was not there and yet he was supposed to be here.
Somebody called me this morning and told me that they had a funeral. He also asked me where I was. He does not know that this is the time that I am supposed to be here. They do not even know when we are supposed to be here. With these Parliamentary Broadcasting Channels, we will inform the public on some of these issues. The Chairman said that we only have one person from Kenya Broadcasting Corporation. This will also offer employment to our youths. Because of the presentations, most of our youths will be trained and then take part. Ten or 20 youths will be employed from this particular broadcast. On behalf of my people in Kwanza Constituency and Trans Nzoia County, I want to take this opportunity to say that this is the best legislation that we have ever come up with. Heko to Hon. Kizito who did very well to come up with this idea.
I support the Motion.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Member for Garissa County, Hon. Anab Gure.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me this golden opportunity to contribute to this important Motion. It intends to make the parliamentary proceedings open or transparent to all Kenyans who elected us. This is good for our democracy.
When Parliament establishes its television and radio stations, the citizens will have a platform where they will share their concerns effectively with Parliament. Lastly, establishing independent television and radio stations will ensure that Parliament reaches directly to the citizens without information being twisted by other media stations.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I support the Motion.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Let us have the Member for Kilifi South, Hon. Kiti Chonga.
Asante, Mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda. Nataka nigeuze lugha kidogo, kwa sababu watu wamesikiza kimombo cha kutosha. Sijasahau vile Rais wa Tanzania, Mama Suluhu Hassan, alipotembea hapa….
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Tafadhali rudisha barakoa mahali panapostahili.
Asante, Mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda. Rais wa Tanzania alituchekesha na utamu wa Kiswahili chake.
Kwanza, nataka kumpongeza Mwenyekiti wa Kamati hii, Mhe. Kizito, kwa kazi safi ambayo ameifanya. Mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda, mimi pia ni mmoja wa wanakamati ya Utangazaji na Shughuli za Bunge na Maktba. Lakini kabla hata nichangie chochote, kuna jambo ambalo limekuwa likinivunja moyo sana. Sasa ni mwaka wa nne tangu niwe katika Kamati hii. Cha kushangaza ni kwamba Kamati hii ambayo kwa sasa imeleta Hoja hii, ambayo inapongezwa na kila Mbunge, ni Kamati ambayo imechukuliwa kama Kamati hafifu ambayo wanaoadhibiwa na wale ambao wanaonekana kwamba hawafai kuwa katika Kamati kubwa kubwa huletwa upande huu. Hata tunapozungumza saa hii, ni juzi tu ambapo Wenyekiti wa Kamati kadhaa, kwa sababu ya malumbano waliokuwa nayo ndani ya vyama vyao, walitolewa kule na kutupwa huku. Walikuja na ule msimamo wakifiria kuwa hii ni Kamati ambayo haina mwelekeo. Lakini tazama ile kazi ambayo Mhe. Kizito na Wabunge wake wameifanya.
Kusema kweli kabisa, sisi sote tunafahamu kuwa Bunge ndio mahali ambapo sheria na mwelekeo wa tasasi za Serikali zote hutoka. Iwe ni mahakama au hospitali, kila kitu lazima kiweze kutungwa kama sheria kupitia Bunge hili. La kushangaza ni kwamba katika yote yanayoshughulikiwa katika Bunge hili hakuna lolote ambalo mwananchi analifahamu. Ninapongeza Hoja hii na hatua iliyochukuliwa. Kwanza kabisa, linalonitia moyo ni mbali na kuwa kazi na jitihada za Wabunge kwenye Kamati na kwenye Bunge, pia mwananchi wa kawaida ataweza kuelewa ni kitu kipi kinaendelea Bungeni. Mbali na michango yetu, mwananchi ataweza kufahamu mambo ambayo yanaendelea Bungeni pia.
Pili, Wabunge wengi wamesema hapa kuwa angalau, kazi za Wabunge zitakuwa zinaonekana. Lakini, mbali na hilo, pia hii itapatia mwanachi nafasi ya kuchagua kati ya stesheni zinazotangaza jumbe, ni stesheni ipi angetaka kufuatiliza ili kuelewa yanayojiri na The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Member for Gatanga.
Thank you very much.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. (Ms.) Sahal, what is out of order?
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I rise on Standing Order No. 95; can you call the Mover to reply? Thank you.
Let me just finish.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Actually, I had already given the Member for Gatanga the opportunity. So, let him finish then I will put the Motion to a vote.
Thank you. I have been here for a long time; it is also good to allow us to contribute.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Members, that is a proper Motion moved by Hon. (Ms.) Sahal but since I had already called the Member for Gatanga to make his contribution, after his contribution, we will put it to a vote.
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. From the outset, I want to thank the Committee for doing a great job. It is high time we established our own television and radio station, so that we can broadcast the right information. Currently, unless it is negative news, it is really hard to get covered. One of the challenges we have with the media currently is that sometimes journalists are paid on what they submit to those media stations. And unless you get to the headline, the way to get to the headline is to submit negative news; it is very difficult. That is why I want to support the Chairman and his Committee. It is high time we established our own television and radio station. It is not expensive. Hon. Wanyonyi has said that we need to get the Bill. However, it is quite cheap to establish a radio or television station currently with the digital technology. I also want to encourage Members, even at the constituency level, it is important and you can establish your own community radio station and a television station so that you can also broadcast whatever you want. In Gatanga, we are known for music and we are already applying for a licence. In Central Province, we want to establish our own television and radio station where we will be able to broadcast whatever content we have to our people. This will be a great way of supporting our youth. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Order Members. Hon. Sahal has moved a Motion for the Mover to be called upon to reply and the decision is upon you Members. So, I am going to put the Question.
(Shinyalu, ODM) Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to reply.
First of all, I thank the entire leadership of the National Assembly – the Hon. Speaker and the Office of the Clerk – and my Committee Members who have worked tirelessly with the secretariat. I have senior and ranking Members in the Committee, and they have been very cooperative. We have worked very well.
With those few remarks, I beg to reply.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Members, for obvious reason, we will move the putting of the Question when the Motion will be in the Order Paper next time.
Let us move to the next Order.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, allow me to remove the mask for me to talk properly because of my glasses.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): That is okay.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, the House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Examination of the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the National Government for the Financial Year 2017/2018 (Volumes I and II), laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 23rd March 2021. As I do so, I want to ….
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Wandayi, I am sorry for interrupting you. You have 60 minutes but we only have eight minutes before we adjourn. So, be guided.
Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I draw the attention of Members to the provisions of the Constitution upon which the work of the PAC is hinged. Article 203(3) of the Constitution is clear that the equitable share of the revenue raised nationally and allocated to the national Government and county governments is to be calculated on the basis of the most recent audited accounts of revenue received as approved by the National Assembly. I need to emphasise this because, as we know, this is a Report concerning Financial Year 2017/2018 and we are in Financial Year 2020/2021. One may want to ask why we are dealing with Financial Year 2017/2018 in Financial Year 2020/2021. This is, indeed, the last audited Report that was received by Parliament. As a matter of fact, the PAC of the National Assembly in the 12th Parliament has been able, through diligence, to clear the backlog that it inherited upon assumption of office way back in December 2017. What I mean, therefore, is that we have been able to be up-to-date with the Auditor-General in so far as examining the Audit Reports is concerned. The Public Accounts Committee has embarked on examining the Report of the Financial Year 2018/2019 which is now the latest report which has landed here. In fact, we have not even received the reconciliation books for all the Ministries, State Agencies and Departments. So, we are emphasizing that we are doing a good job as a Committee, and this is because of the commitment of the membership of that Committee. We have a wonderful Committee comprising of very dedicated Members. Some are serving their third terms like Hon. (Dr.) Eseli Simiyu and Hon. Aden Duale. Others are serving their second terms like Hon. Justus Kizito. Others are serving their first terms like Hon. (Dr.) Oundo and Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara, but they are very committed as well. It is a Committee comprising of very eminent Members of Parliament who are extremely committed. Therefore, we owe it to those members that this Committee has been able to achieve what it has achieved to date in terms of clearing all the backlog and coming up to date with the Auditor-General’s Office. My presentation will be broken down into subsections, and I will be dealing with the matter of glaring irregularities and blatant illegalities that have been apparent and are manifest in the procurement process within the public sector such as Ministries, State Departments, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Wandayi, wind up.
Yes, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. Therefore, I will seek to highlight all these issues when, God willing, we resume next time. Thank you very much for now. I hope I will get more time to conclude.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): You surely will. Hon. Wandayi, you have a balance of 52 minutes.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): You have just had a tip of the iceberg of your time. Debate on this Motion by Hon. Wandayi will continue when it will be next slotted in the Order Paper. He has a balance of 52 minutes.
(Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya): Hon. Members, the time being 9.01 p.m. this House stands adjourned until Thursday, 13th May 2021 at 10.00 a.m.
The House rose at 9.01 p.m.