Hon. Members, we do not seem to have the right numbers but, I can see quite a number of Members coming in. So, let us confirm the numbers and then we can start our business. We are short of 20 members and I can see about 15 of them have come in and so, let us wait a little and then start business. I am trying to see whether it is necessary to have a Quorum Bell but I do not think so because, from where I am seated, I am able to see quite a number of Members walking in. So, we will just proceed.

We now have the quorum. Is that the position? Can we confirm and see if it is there. The Serjeant-at-Arms can also confirm from other holding areas. By way of information, I think the holding areas go all the way and I am sure there are quite some numbers there. So, we can confirm quickly and start business. Okay, we have the numbers. Let us proceed.

Order Members! Order! Hon. Members, I can confirm that we have the required number and, therefore, I will put the Question.

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Hon. Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House to consider the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bill No.30 of 2021).

The Mover.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. I beg to move that the Committee doth report to the House its consideration of the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bill No.30 of 2021) and its approval thereof without amendments.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bill No. 30 of 2021) and approved the same without amendments.

Let us have the Mover to move the agreement with the Report.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Gladys Wanga to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. I thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Wanga.

I second.

Can we have the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Kanini Kega, to move Third Reading?

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bill No. 30 of 2021) be now read a Third Time. I request the Leader of the Majority Party to second.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to second and thank Hon. Members for having contributed and processed this County Allocation of Revenue Bill within a time that shows the counties that the National Assembly will not be an impediment to their receiving of the money. I second.

Put the Question.

Of course, I have confirmed that we have the requisite quorum. Therefore, I put the Question.

Hon. Members, we are now in the Committee of Supply. What is out of order before we start? The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Chairman, we do not have the Order Paper. It is not there in the machine and we do not have a hard copy.

That is a genuine concern. We are now doing Committee of Supply. In the meantime, we are supplying you with the specifics that you required. You will get them just in a minute. Actually, let us start with the Members who are close by here. Please, supply them before we go to the Committee of Supply. Hon. Members, I think we can start as you receive the Order Papers. We do not want to be waiting. I am sure some Members have already received them. You can start very quickly with Hon. (Dr.) Nyikal and the rest of the membership, of course. Make sure that you have them so that you follow and then move fast.

Hon. Members, allow us to consult a little on that particular amendment. Let us just confirm from the Mover.

Hon. Members, the amendment that we think you should be having is in the next one, Vote 1021. So, the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, are you satisfied?

Yes.

Did you have any amendment on Vote 1011?

No.

I believe you should be having in the next one.

On a point of order, Hon. Chairman.

What is it Hon. Iringo Kubai?

Hon. Deputy Chairman, I would humbly request that you take Hon. Nyikals’ request seriously because we are seated in this House but we are in the dark. We can see a lot of activity there because you have the papers, but we do not have any. We cannot be flower girls here. We need to have those papers too, so that we can see what is being done. I humbly request that we stop this business until we all get a copy of this document.

That is fair. The only issue is this: I do not want you to talk of a flower girl. At least, you should be talking of a flower boy. We cannot always be pushing the flowery stuff to the other gender. Now, Hon. Members, let us see by a hand signal because that is allowed in this august House, those who do not have a copy. I see there are about 15 Members who require these copies. You can be sure you will get one in a minute. We are actually going to make sure that everybody has. So, please, bear with us. For anybody who will be making a presentation here, make it clear so that Members can follow even as they wait for the papers. Hon. Nyikal, do you have yours. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

I have mine.

Yes. Hon. Iringo, I believe you do have yours. The rest of the membership will be having them in a minute. Let us proceed. There should be nothing flowery about this. We must do our business.

Let us get the Mover to move the amendment. I believe this is where we had that particular amendment.

As we had earlier said, budget-making is a negotiated process.

Kindly, we are looking at one programme on this specific one, which is the policing service.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move:

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of development estimates of Kshs1.689 trillion be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs1.6...

I wanted you to be very clear on that, Hon. Kega. I am not so sure whether it is one billion or one trillion. Let us be very sure of what we are doing.

My apologies, Hon. Chairman. I think the Nominee 001 is consulting very loudly. I want to take it once more.

Hon. Nominee 001, kindly keep your peace! No consultation that is going to disrupt the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Thank you so much, Hon. Chairman.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move:

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of development estimates of Kshs1.689 billion be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs1.649 billion.

We cannot have a point of order before he finishes. Let him finish first. It will be good when there is a free flow from the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. If there is anything that you want to raise, you can raise after he has finished. Otherwise, you create some difficulties. Proceed, Hon. Chair.

We need to give these copies to Members so that, at least, we can move together.

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Also, that the proposed allocation under the same programme in respect of gross total estimates of Kshs100, 591,945,708 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs100,551,945,708.

I thank you, Hon. Chairman.

Any Member who wants to speak to this one? There is Hon. Maanzo and Nominee 001 and then we put the Question.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman for that. First, I want to support that allocation. Even in NG-CDF, we do many police posts and stuff like that. So, I think it is in order.

Hon. Sankok, I can see you are seated when you should be progressing.

Hon. Chairman, I think we need to be very clear on the issue of trillion and billion because it has gone to the Hansard . What I heard from him was one billion, six hundred and something million shillings instead of one sixty something billion shillings.

Well, I think you are confusing the mathematics here. The Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee has been very clear. It is Kshs1,689,000,000 which has been amended to Kshs1,649,000,000, which is a reduction of Kshs40 million. So, I think you are clear now.

It is not the issue of a degree. It is the issue of understanding these figures.

Having done that, I am going to put the Question.

Just a minute, Hon. Members, let me confirm something here.

The Mover, can you please move your amendment.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. My apologies. We are dealing with trillions; that is the reason they had stuck in my mind. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of recurrent estimates of Kshs22,237,029,068 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Ksh22,737,029,068, and The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

that the proposed allocation under the programme in the respect of development estimates of Ksh3,455,537,400 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Ksh2,995,537,400. The same reason applies.

Just a minute, Hon. Members, it is very complicated this evening.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I beg to move that…

Hold on a little because those particular ones do not have an amendment, if I am not wrong. So, let us see how we can dispose of those ones first.

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In this particular one Hon. Kanini you are having an amendment. So, let us proceed to that one.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of recurrent estimates of Kshs1,651,515,594 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs33,215,594. This was an amount that was going to relief supplies. It has been established that those relief supplies are catered for elsewhere. Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of development estimates of Kshs705 million be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs105 million; THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of the gross total of Kshs2,356,515,994 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs138,215,594. The reason is what I had earlier said.

Hon. Nyikal, I do not know why your name is not here and yet, you keep on putting your card. I will give you an opportunity.

Hon. Chairman, we need clarification that this shift is just between the development and the recurrent expenditure. Can we get exactly where that shift is?

I do not think that is what the Chair has said. Maybe, we can have the Leader of the Minority Party, who is also a budget guru, to say something.

Actually, the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning had recommended that we have an allocation to help in providing relief food. The National Treasury later explained that the contingency funds cater for relief food. It would have been a double allocation. It is a removal altogether and a reversal of that amount. We are removing that amount from the Special Initiatives Programme and taking it back to the National Treasury where the money was removed from in the first place. There is already a provision for relief food funding.

Very good. I see no other interest and so, I will proceed to put the Question.

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Let us have the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee moving his amendment. By the way, Hon. Chairman, it is the Programme called Defence for Members to understand. That is what we are dealing with now. The other ones we have done do not have amendments and you have approved them. You have the microphone.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. For the record, it is Programme 0801000 called Defence. Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of recurrent expenditure or estimates of Kshs111,886,498,176 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs111,786,498,176; THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of the gross total of Kshs116,966,498,176 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs116,866,498,176. This is to take care of a reallocation of Kshs100 million that will go to the Lake Basin Development Authority.

Hon. Members, it was very clear. What is your point of order? Let me propose the Question first, Hon. Ichung’wah. Last year when you were doing it, that is how we were progressing. We finish first so that we do not create issues.

Before we allow debate, Hon. Ichung’wah, is yours a point of order or a contribution? I would give you an opportunity on either of the two.

It is a contribution.

Very good.

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You cannot have a mix of the two. Choose one.

Let me choose a point of order. I do not want to interrupt the Chair because I understand what he has to go through, especially this time being the Chair emeritus .

Hon. Chairman, it is only fair that he explains to us exactly what programme he is moving money from, which programme he is taking it to and the reason, when it comes to amendments.

I thought he did that.

Kikuyu, JP): He just said that the programme relates to the Lake Basin Development Authority.

He removed Kshs100 million from the Defence Programme and even mentioned that it will go to the Lake Basin Development Authority.

Kikuyu, JP): He did not say the name of the programme under the Lake Basin Development Authority, which he will take the money to. Hon. Chairman, I am aware because I went through the Schedule. You know I am good with these figures. There was a figure of about Kshs320 million which was supposed to be allocated to the Lake Basin Development Authority. Is it being added or reduced from the Schedule? That is the understanding that I want to get.

I will give an opportunity to a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to try and demystify it. However, remember that you have removed some money from the Defence Programme. There is another Vote which will absorb it. We need a clarification so that we do not have questions there. We will also save time. Can I give the opportunity to the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee?

The figure the emeritus Chair is referring to was not funded. We had to look for some funds. Unfortunately, we did not get Kshs320 million. I want to assure him that we will enhance that in the Supplementary Budget or the subsequent budget.

You have gone to a different direction. We were looking at Kshs100 million.

The two of you are consulting too much at the expense of the House. It needs to move with the two of you and others. Let us have the Leader of the Minority Party to clarify from a perspective of a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Chairman, Hon. Ichung’wah is right. He is aware of Kshs320 million that we were supposed to give to the Lake Basin Development Authority in the first Supplementary Budget when he was still the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. We agreed that we would do it in the main budget. Unfortunately, there was not enough funding. The Kshs100 million was sourced from the Defence Programme and it will be taken to the Lake Basin Development Authority. We hope that Kshs220 million will be allocated in the first Supplementary Budget. The Lake Basin Development Authority must be funded. I thought you would oppose it. If you did, I would have problems with you.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. Let us move forward. That is now concluded.

You have both clarified very well. The only thing is that I do not want you to anticipate any other funding in future. What we are aware of here is Kshs100 million.

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Hon. (Dr.) Nyikal, you do not have to put all your best because the money has been allocated to the Lake Basin Development Authority. Let us proceed.

Let me confirm if we have an amendment.

We ask the Mover to move the amendment in that specific programme.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs18,496,236,268, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs18,466,236,268; THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs4,648,436,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs4,608,436,000; THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Ksh23,144,672,268, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figureKshs23,074,672,268.

This is a reallocation that was done within the Vote. I thank you, Hon. Chairman. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

I see no specific interest in this one.

Hon. Ichung’wah, I was very quick to explain that we passed those ones because we do not have amendments on them. This specific one had an amendment and we have just passed it. It deals with the vocational and technical training. For the other one, you can deal with it at the voting stage.

Those particular ones do not have amendments.

This particular one has an amendment. Let us have the Chair moving the amendment.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates Kshs89,868,249,632, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs89,913,249,632; THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs4,525,600,000, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs4,315,600,000; and, THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total Kshs94,393,849,632 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs94,228,849,632. Hon. Chair, this is basically a question of rationalisation. Thank you.

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All the three programmes have amendments, Hon. Members. I am trying to see if when we propose the Question the Hon. Chairman can, step by step, move each of them then we can see if we can make progress.

Hon. Kanini Kega, you have several amendments. You can kick all of them. I believe we can move faster if we did that.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs16,736,153,177 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs16,871,153,177 THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs2,161,200,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs2,141,200,000 THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs18,897,353,177 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs19,012,353,177. Basically, this is a question of rationalization in respect of Programme 0501000 - Primary Education.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs8,080,400,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs8,830,400,000. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs74,469,844,764 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs75,219,844,764.

Again, this is a question of rationalization.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs622,097,804 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs4,602, 097,804. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs4,697,097,804 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs4,677,097,804.

This is also a question of rationalization.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman.

Just for clarity purposes, this one under Programme 0508000 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services, how much are you adding? What are you proposing to do because there are some figures here that we want to be very clear on?

Hon. Chairman, I also noticed that there is something that was missing. Let me move it once more.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs4,622,097,804 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs4,602,097,804. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs4,697,097,804 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs4,677,097,804. Thank you, Hon. Chairman, for the correction.

So, Hon. Members, I believe you have understood. In the three programmes, we are having amendments. There is one which we are not having any amendment on. In fact, under normal circumstances, I would be asking you, Hon. Kega, to be stating: “As it is on the Order Paper.” This is because Members have the Order Paper. However, it has helped us here to pinpoint something. What is it, Hon. Nyikal?

Hon. Chairman, the general statement of rationalisation is actually not adequate. We are talking of new figures like here we are reducing by Kshs20 million. So, it is better to say what is exactly happening. If you say rationalisation, we will go without knowing exactly what happened. So, instead of saying rationalisation, we would like to know exactly what is happening.

Yes, that is a concern which I can see the Chairperson is also consulting on. Is there any other issue as the Chairperson is consulting? Is there any other Member who wants to speak to this? Order, Hon. Members! Nobody should come between the Chair and the Member who is contributing.

Hon. Chairman, allow me to answer that one.

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Hon. Chairman, that difference of Kshs20 million was unfunded, and that is the reason we had to rationalise. Thank you.

Have you understood it, Hon. (Dr.) Nyikal?

Yes, Hon. Chairman.

Okay. Let me confirm what we need to do on this one. This is covering all the programmes that we have just amended.

VOTE 1068 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR POST TRAINING AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT THAT, a sum not exceeding Kshs268,000,000 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) during the year ending 30th June 2022, in respect of Vote 1068 (State Department for Post Training and Skills Development).

We do not have any amendment on this one.

I can see we have a retinue of amendments. I will request that the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee be given enough time to move the amendments without any interference at all. There are four amendments relating to the programmes. Chair, would you want to move them separately?

No, I would want to move all of them together.

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The Mover.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation in respect of development expenditure of Kshs34,794,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs34,494,000,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs34,794,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs34,494,000,000. This is basically a deduction of Kshs300 million that was going to rail transport. As I had earlier said, we are rationalising to remain within the fiscal framework and the BPS.

THAT, the proposed allocation in respect of development expenditure of Kshs23,314,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs23,214,000,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs23,314,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs23,214,000,000. It is the same reason of rationalisation.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of recurrent expenditure of Kshs43,135,652,127 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs49,135,652,127. THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of the Gross Total of Kshs56,660,179,127 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs62,660,179,127.

THAT, the proposed allocation to the Programme in respect of recurrent expenditure of Kshs7,737,065,408 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs6,737,065,408. THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of development estimates of Kshs30,664,603,886 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs30,824,603,886. THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshss38,401,669,294 be deleted and substituted thereof with Ksh37,561,669,294. I thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman.

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I see interest from Hon. Oduol Adhiambo.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. I would want to seek clarification with regard to Programme 0204000 - Marine Transport, which the Chair of BAC seeks to amend. My question is: When you look at this programme, you will see that if you go to Vote 1092 - State Department of Transport, we have the same programme code that talks about marine transport. So, I would like to get clarification as to why, first, we have this in the National Treasury and, secondly, why we do have the same programme appearing under the State Department of Transport. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman.

Hon. Martin Owino, you also want to add your voice to this?

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, on Programme 0717000 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services, the total gross adds up to Kshs6 billion. I am not opposing it, but this rationalisation, which is on and off, where are they getting this amount to add? Is it about robbing Paul to pay Peter?

Hon. Chair for the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, kindly, have the Floor.

Thank you Chair. With regard to the two issues raised by Hon. (Prof). Oduol and Hon. Martin Owino, the Marine Transport under the Treasury is mainly the ports and their services. The maritime remains in transport. It is essentially policy. There was an Executive order that created the Kenya Transport and Logistics Network. It brought the port, the rail and pipeline under ICDC. It brought all of them under the Treasury. That is the programme that is under the National Treasury that read essentially the port. On the other matter raised by Hon. Martin Owino, the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning had reallocated, inadvertently, Kshs6 billion from the National Treasury. It had taken away from various programmes because it was not clear at that point what exactly the money was funding. Later on, we came to learn that it was for police vehicles, contingency funds, the Equalization Fund, some salaries and so on. After discussion between the Committee in charge of planning and the BAC, we agreed to reinstate the money. Removing it will adversely affect the programmes that were affected by that move. So, it is not an addition. It is simply reinstating what we had removed.

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs2,355,781,110 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs1,804,061,110. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs45,331,543,216 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure-Kshs42,095,543,216. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs47,687,324,326 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs43,899,604,326.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs609,355,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure-Kshs209,355,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs1,926,975,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs1,526,975,000.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs184,954,648 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs171,954,648. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs157,758,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure-Kshs82,258,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under thein respect of Gross Total, Ksh342,712,648 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figures Kshs254,212,648.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs454,410,192 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs304,410,192; THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs454,410,192 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Ksh304,410,192. As I had said earlier, it is the question of rationalisation and also remaining within the fiscal framework.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman.

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I see interest from Hon. Nyaga Nkatha, Member for Tharaka.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, we are discussing very important business this evening, but looking in the House there is no quorum.

No! No!

Hon. Members, just hold your horses. I direct that the numbers be reckoned for my purpose. The Member having risen in her place is entirely within her rights. Hon. Members, I direct that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next 10 minutes.

Order, Hon. Members. I direct that the Quorum Bell stops ringing. Now we have the requisite numbers. We can proceed with business.

Hon. Members, on this one, we have one programme that has an amendment. So we will deal with the ones without amendments, then we shall deal with the one with amendment after.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chair, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of development expenditure of Kshs 827,500,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs 787,500,000. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs 10,493,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs 10,453,000,000. It is very easy, it is a figure of Kshs 40 million which was unfunded and since we said we have to remain within the fiscal framework, it had to be dropped.

Thank you Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman.

Hon. Nyikal.

Just a point of interest, could we have a little more details on what exactly was not funded with this Kshs 40 million.

Some funds for two Kenya Medical Training Centers (KMTCs). It is only Kshs 40 million. Do not worry.

Hon. Owino.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. Research and Development is very important for this country. What Kshs 40 million can do is enormous. May the Hon. Chair explain to us. If there is no proper explanation, let that money be taken back.

Hon. Chair, Departmental Committee on Health.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I just wanted to explain to the Members that this was some additional money that was done by the Budget and Appropriations Committee on two additional KMTCs. They were not part of our budget and so there was no funding. It has not interfered with our initial proposals. That was just additional. That is not the one for public participation. For the Members who are concerned, it is not part of what was proposed within the Committee. It was outside the Committee’s budget and since the National Treasury said they do not have more money to fund, that is why it was dropped.

There is an amendment to this one. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs135,975,687,987 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs136,120,207,987. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs193,145,606,354 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs193,290,126,354. This is basically an enhancement of the allocation for our road network to get some extra funding. I thank you.

This one has some amendments.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs2,299,185,273 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs1,880,225,273. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs83,600,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs 43,600,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs2,382,785,273 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs1,923,825,273.

This is basically on the account of unfunded expenditure that had been put in. So, it is an issue of rationalisation.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman.

0903000, 0904000 and 0905000 agreed to)

Hon. Gikaria, you have something to say? There is no amendment to the allocations.

Just a small clarity, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. We are reallocating money from transmission back to alternative energy. Does it require any pronouncement on the Floor of the House? The money is within the programme.

No, because in the Order Paper there is no indication of any movement. So, it goes as it is.

Okay.

Hon. Members, I think we have made some progress. Mover.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee of Supply do Report to the House its consideration of the Budget Estimates for Financial Year 2021/2022 in respect of Votes 1011, 1021, 1023, 1032, 1035, 1041, 1052, 1064, 1065, 1066, 1068, 1071, 1072, 1081, 1091, 1092, 1093, 1094, 1095, 1108, 1109, 1112, 1122, 1123, 1132, 1134 and 1152 and its approval thereof with amendments and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.

The Departmental Committee Chair having moved the Motion for reporting, Hon. Members, allow me to put the Question on the same.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2021/2022 in respect of Votes 1011, 1021,1023, 1032, 1035, 1041, 1052, 1064, 1065, 1066, 1068, 1071, 1072, 1081, 1091, 1092, 1093, 1094, 1095, 1108, 1109, 1112, 1122, 1123, 1132, 1134 and 1152 and approved the same with amendments and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mover. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Gladys Wanga to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of Supply on the Budget Estimates.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker.

I second.

Very well Hon. Wanga. Well done.

Put the Question!

Hon. Members, I want to thank you for the dedication you have shown this evening, and for the work you have done for this country. May God bless you all.

Hon. Members, the time being 9.30 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Thursday, 17th June 2021 at 2.30 p.m.

The House rose at 9.30 p.m.

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