Hon. Members, we still do not have quorum. I direct that the bell be rung.

We now have the requisite quorum. We can commence business.

So, we will do the first segment. The first Question will be by the Member for Homa Bay Town, Hon. Peter Kaluma, who has requested that the Question be asked on his behalf by Hon. Oku Kaunya, the Member for Teso North.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No. 42A(5), I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education Question No.162/2021 on behalf of the Member for Homa Bay Town, Hon. Peter Kaluma. (i) Could the Cabinet Secretary explain when the Technical and Vocational Training Institute in Homa Bay Town Constituency, which is also the headquarters of Homa Bay County will be made operational? (ii) What measures is the Ministry undertaking to recruit and equip requisite personnel in Homa Bay Technical and Vocational Training Institute considering that the facility has already been developed at Anding’o Area within Homa Bay Sub- county?

The Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. Next Question is by the Member for Kitui County, Hon. (Dr.) Irene Kasalu. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

She is not in, so we skip that and move to the next Question by the Member for Sabatia, Hon. Alfred Agoi who has written to request that the Question be asked on his behalf by Hon. Beatrice Adagala Kahai.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and Coordination of National Government Question No.193/2021 on behalf of the Member for Sabatia, Hon. Alfred Agoi. (i) What measures has the Ministry put in place to manage and control heavy vehicular traffic and accidents on the highways in particular due to the many trailers and trucks on the road across the country during the day as a result of the curfew enforcement and in particular along the Mombasa-Nairobi- Kakamega/Bungoma/Busia highways? (ii) Could the Cabinet Secretary explain the measures in place to address the challenges and effects resulting from the curfew hours that limit night commutation for travelers across the country and what are the mitigations carried out so far, if any? Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

That Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security. The next Question is by the Member for Moiben, Hon. Silas Tiren.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for this opportunity. I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and Coordination of National Government Question No.194/2021. (i) Could the Cabinet Secretary explain why the National Transport and Safety Authority has been lax in its role of educating and creating awareness to motorcycle riders on the highway code so as to reduce the high numbers of accidents that account for over 30 per cent of the patients in the emergency departments in hospitals? (ii) Could the Cabinet Secretary provide a status report on compliance and the programmes that have been recently rolled out to implement the penalties stipulated in the law to persons contravening the Traffic Act? (iii) What measures has the Ministry undertaken to restore sanity and end the culture of impunity in our roads including educating the masses on the highway code and strict adherence to it? Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

That will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

The next Question is by the Member for Kwanza, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, who has requested and the request has been acceded to, that the Question be asked on his behalf by the Member for Endebess, Hon. Dr. Pukose.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On behalf of my neighbour, Hon. Ferdinad Wanyonyi, the Member for Parliament for Kwanza Constituency, I would like to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure, Housing, Urban Development and Public Works Question No.195/2021. (i) Could the Cabinet Secretary provide an update on the progress of construction to bitumen standards of the Veterinary-Kwanza-Kolongolo-Bondeni-Chepchoina Road in Kwanza Constituency? The road extends to Endebess. (ii) Are there plans by the Ministry to ensure that upgrading of the said road to bitumen standards commences soonest considering that the ongoing works were halted at Maili Kumi na Moja also called the Night Corner in Kwanza Constituency? (iii) What measures are in place to ensure speedy completion of the said road to the required standards and when is this project expected to be completed? Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Very well. The Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Transport Public Works and Housing. For the second time, Question by the Member for Kitui County, Hon. (Dr.) Irene Kasalu. Member being absent, the Question is dropped.

Indeed, Hon. Speaker. Before I read the response, having in mind what is transpiring in regard to COVID-19, and being a very long Statement, I would like to request that I remove my mask, having in mind that I have received my two jabs. Seeing what is happening where people have been jabbed, like in the United States of America, the masks are being dropped. So, I would want your guidance whether I can remove my mask.

Well, it is Hon. Ali Wario who requested the Statement. Is he around? The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

I have checked for him, he is not around.

Has he been provided with the Statement?

Yes, he has.

Perhaps, Hon. Charles Kilonzo, we could defer it to next week on Tuesday or such other day as the Member will indicate his availability.

Very well.

Then a Statement by the Leader of the Majority Party pursuant to Standing Order No.44(2).

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party, and pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order, No.44(2) (a)…

Sorry, the Majority Whip, Hon. Members, this is the Statement I referred to yesterday when one of you indicated that they do not know what business is to appear the following week. This is the Statement presented on behalf of the House Business Committee in regard to request for Statements and Questions. This is the Statement I indicated that Members should pay attention to, so that they know if any of their Questions may be coming up on any of the days next week. Proceed, Majority Whip.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.44(2)(a), I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met on Tuesday, 15th June 2021 to prioritise the business for consideration: It is evident by now that we have allocated a significant portion of our time to consider the Budget Estimates for the 2021/2022 Financial Year. I am glad that several Members were able to make significant contributions during the general debate. Currently, we are in the Committee of Supply stage in accordance with the provisions of Section 39 of the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act, 2012 and Standing Order No.239. Members should further note that we have the Second Supplementary Estimates for the 2020/2021 Financial Year and the Finance Bill 2021 that need to be expedited and concluded before 30th June 2021. During the Afternoon Sitting of Tuesday next week, and given the timelines that we have, we shall consider the following: (i) The Appropriation Bills 2021 at First Reading. (ii) Second Reading of: (a) The Appropriation Bill 2021; (b) The Finance Bill 2021; (iii) Committee of the whole House on the Public Private Partnerships Bill 2021; (iv) A Motion on the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Second Supplementary Estimates for the 2020/2021 Financial Year; and (v) A Motion on the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Estimates of the National Government for the 2017/2018 Financial Year. Hon. Speaker, in the Evening Sitting of Tuesday next week, the House is scheduled to undertake the following business: The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(i) Committee of the whole House on the Appropriation Bill 2021. (ii) Second Reading of the following Bills – (a) The Finance Bill 2021 if not concluded during the Afternoon Sitting; (b) The Kenya National Blood Transfusion Service Bill 2020. (c) The Impeachment Procedure Bill (Senate Bill No.15 of 2018). (d) The National Cohesion and Peace Building Bill (Senate Bill No.35 of 2018). (iii) A Motion on the Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and Planning on the inspection visits to ascertain the impact of revenue enhancement initiatives on revenue collection. In accordance with the provisions of Standing Order No.44A(5) and (6), I wish to convey that the following Cabinet Secretaries are scheduled to appear before the Departmental Committees as follows: (i) The Cabinet Secretary for Tourism and Wildlife will appear on Wednesday, 23rd June 2021 before the Departmental Committee on Sports, Culture and Tourism to respond to Question No.181 of 2021 by Hon. Christopher Omulele, MP, on the status of the Sports, Arts and Social Development Fund and qualifications of the Board’s Chief Executive Officer. (ii) The Cabinet Secretary for Energy will appear on Wednesday, 23rd June 2021 before the Departmental Committee on Energy to answer: (a) Question No.1 of 2021 by Hon. Michael Kingi, MP, on payment of hospital bills, expenses and compensation for the death of Noel Tinga Katana as a result of electrocution by a live wire from a disintegrated electric pole as well as the status of replacement of the said electric pole. (b) Question No.161 of 2021 by Hon. Majimbo Kalasinga, MP, on the status of electricity connectivity to all public schools, health facilities and coffee factories in Kabuchai Constituency, and Question No.165 of 2021 on the measures that the Ministry is putting in place to ensure compensation for the death of Kennedy Simiyu Wanyama as a result of electrocution by a live electric pole, respectively. (c) Question No.163 of 2021 by Hon. Caleb Kositany, MP, on the implementation status of the Last Mile Connectivity Programme in Soi Constituency. Hon. Speaker, the House Business Committee will reconvene on Tuesday, 22nd June 2021 to schedule business for the rest of the week. I now wish to lay this Statement on the Table of the House. I thank you.

Very well. Hon. Members, before the Clerk reads out the next Order, I just wish to make this observation, that, even though it is a Thursday, it looks like many Members have already decided to begin constituency work. They have forgotten that today is the Second Allotted Day of the Committee of Supply. They needed to know that supplying means allocating resources to ministries, State departments and to various agencies including, as, indeed, whispered by the Leader of the Minority Party, even the constituencies, Parliament and the Judiciary. So, it is a bit surprising that few Members seem to understand or appreciate the enormity of the task ahead when the House resolves to go into the Committee of Supply. Of course, I will not be surprised when over the weekend, the majority of who are not even here will be saying that we have given you so much money, but they have no idea. They will not have participated in that supply, but because it is fashionable during these periods especially as we edge closer to 9th August 2022, everybody will be claiming to have allocated even though they are The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

busy in the villages already. Nevertheless, it is said that a House of Parliament is a place where you find all manner of representation. There are Members who are very good at doing that representation by being in the villages, others being in various offices and others being on the Floor of the House to both represent, oversee and legislate. We move to the next Order.

Hon. Members, take your seats. Whatever ought to have been done has already been done. When the Chairman takes his seat, all that he needs to do is deemed to have been done on record. So, we are now on the Second Allotted Day of the Committee of Supply on the Budget Estimates for the 2021/2022 Financial Year. Today, we will be starting from Vote 1162, which is the State Departmental for Livestock.

Hon. Members, let us proceed.

Put the Question!

There is an amendment. Hon. (Dr.) Pukose, you are retired on this one. We will find some business for you shortly hereafter. Proceed, Chairman. You had not been given the microphone, but you have it now.

Thank you very much, Hon. Chairman. Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates of Kshs3,308,178,143 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs3,428,178,143. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs5,821,076,726 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs5,651,076,726; THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of the Gross Total of Kshs9,129,254,869 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs9,079,254,869. This is about rationalisation and making sure that we still remain within the fiscal framework. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Chairman, you can deal with the two programmes that have amendments, so that we deal with them as a whole. The global Question will include the programme that we have not handled. Let us allow the Clerk-at-the-Table to call out the programmes, so that you can proceed. Hon. Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, you are aware that you have amendments to two programmes, namely, General Administration, Planning and Support Services and Development and Coordination of the Blue Economy. You do not have an amendment on the Fisheries Development and Management Programme. Let us proceed and dispense with those two amendments.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I stand guided.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs70,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs50,000,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs257,905,881 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs237,905,881.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs3,233,627,420 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs3,333,627,420; THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of the Gross Total of Kshs3,349,827,420 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs3,449,827,420. As I said earlier, this is about rationalising within the fiscal framework.

Those two programmes had amendments. Let me dispense with the one which did not.

Hon. Chair, prosecute your amendment. Order Members! The Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is doing an extremely critical work this afternoon. Any Member who wants to consult with him, first of all, he or she should be within the required social distance. Even if you maintain the social distance, we will not allow it for the time being because we want the Chair to concentrate. I can see that there are a lot of consultations. Proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Chair. She is dressed in party colours.

Is the Member a “she”? I thought it was somebody else.

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Hon. Chair, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs1,870,407,997 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs1,840,407,997. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs6,674,178,111 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs6,644,178,111. This is a deduction owing to unfunded expenditure.

We will go to the rest of the programmes which do not have amendments.

We have an amendment in this programme. Chair, proceed and prosecute it.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates of Kshs1,221,290,884 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs1,226,290,884. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs404,600,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs524,600,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs1,625,890,884 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs1,750,890,884. This is a question of rationalisation to remain within the budget.

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On a point of order, Hon. Chairman.

What is your point of order, Hon. (Dr.) Pukose?

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. There is an increment of more than Kshs125 million in this proposed amendment. The Chair of the Committee has said that we are rationalising. It is important that he comes out very clearly to tell the House what he is rationalising. When you increase a Vote by more than Kshs100 million and then you tell us that you are rationalising, you have to justify it. I want the Chair to convince us on what he is rationalising.

I hear you, Hon. (Dr.) Pukose. I can see there is a lot of interest in the Trans Nzoia region of the country. Is that the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning?

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I want to thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee and the Government for this addition to cooperatives. I believe that this will mainly go towards cotton ginneries. Following the revival of the Rift Valley Textiles (RIVATEX) East Africa Limited, there is huge demand for cotton. In fact, at the moment, you find that a lot of the cotton that RIVATEX East Africa Limited is using is being imported. Therefore, I would like to thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee for making consideration for the Luanda Ginnery in western Kenya and also the Homa Bay Ginnery. This will lead to people growing cotton and ginning their cotton in their regions, then supply it to RIVATEX East Africa Limited. This is because, at the moment…

Order, Hon. Gladys! Please, do not get annoyed. Just proceed. You are doing very well. What is making you very unhappy?

Hon. Chairman, I am just passionate on this matter. I am very happy. Maybe I look like I am crying, but they are tears of joy. Right now, farmers in Homa Bay grow their cotton and transport it to a private ginnery in Salowa in Baringo. That is where the cotton can be ginned. Some of them take the cotton to Kitui or Nairobi. By the time the cotton reaches there, it would have passed through too many middlemen hence the value falls. So, I am very passionate on this matter and really thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee for considering the Homa Bay Ginnery in addition to the Luanda Ginnery. That is how we are going to industrialise and put money in the pockets of our people. That is the mission of President Uhuru Kenyatta and the reason for the “handshake”; putting money in people’s pockets. This is very important. Thank you, Hon. Chairman.

What the Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning has done is in the spirit of collective responsibility of chairpersons. She has come in very handy to give a lot of details and meat to what the Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations, had done. Sometimes the Chairperson is doing a lot of work and so, he does not expound everything. Hon. (Dr.) Pukose, you can now keep your peace because I am sure you are now satisfied which I can see from your lobbying. Thank you very much.

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What is it, the Member for North Imenti?

Hon. Chairman, I appreciate what the Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee has just said, but he should be keeping in mind…

You do not need to remove your mask while speaking because you will exchange a lot of…

Sorry, Hon. Chairman. He should keep in mind that there are other ginneries in this country, Meru Ginnery being one of them, which need to be revived. So, I hope the Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee, has allocated some money to Meru Ginnery as well.

I can see many Members want to speak. Let me give this chance to Hon. Kisang first.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I support the increase of Kshs100 million for the two ginneries in the western part of the country because even in Elgeyo-Marakwet County, we used to grow cotton in the early 1980s and 1990s until the factories collapsed and the prices of cotton went down. I believe that with the revival of these ginneries, others will come up. Even those that have not been allocated money in the coming financial year, we can check on them in the supplementary budgets that will come, either Supplementary Budget I or Supplementary Budget II. Even in the Budget for the Financial Year 2022/2023, we can put in money towards that to even have one in the region because since the revival of RIVATEX East Africa Limited, many of our youth have been employed from that region. Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I support.

Let us have Hon. Wachira Kabinga wa Thayu though that name does not seem to appear on record here. Give Hon. Kabinga the microphone. It seems there is a problem with your gadget. Maybe it is because you are very close to another Member. Give him the microphone next to where he is. You are okay now.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I support the allocation of funds to revive these ginneries in Homa Bay and that other place. I would also like to urge…

The other place is Luanda!

Yes, Homa Bay and Luanda. Thank you very much. Hon. Chairman, the cotton industry, as my colleague said, was doing very well sometimes back, but after the collapse, some of the ginneries that existed went to private hands. For instance, the Mwea Ginnery is just sitting there and nothing is happening. I hope that as we revitalse the cotton industry, we are also going to revisit some of those facilities that changed hands to private ownership and understand how they changed. We will also find out whether there is need for the Government to take over as we develop this industry. Mwea has been used as one of the pilot ginneries for organic cotton and it is doing very well. So, I am looking forward, after Homa Bay and Luanda, for it to come to Mwea as we go to Meru to revitalise the other ginneries. Thank you, Hon. Chairman.

Very well, Members. We have taken enough contributions on that.

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Hon. Chairperson, you have an amendment. Proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs2,436,129,067, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs2,286,129,067. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs4,175,146,496, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure, Kshs4,025,146,496.

This is basically an unfunded expenditure that was to be incurred and we had to rationalise downwards.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman.

Chairman, you seem not to have an amendment on this one. Do you have an amendment on this one? I do not think so. We are doing Vote 1175, the State Department for Industrialisation. The programmes have been read out. Do you not have an amendment on this one?

Yes.

Really? Let us confirm that and then we proceed. I understand your particular situation, Hon. Chairman. Just a minute.

There has been a change of guard to my left. Each comes with a different style and flair. So, the flair that we are proceeding with now is dealing with programme by programme. So, you have an amendment in the next programme. You do not have it in this one. For this one in which you do not have an amendment, I will propose the Question. Just a minute, Hon. Members, allow us to consult.

Okay. We were proceeding. Now, we are dealing with General Administration, Planning and Support Services. As we dispense with it, we will do so all the way to the end. Actually, we are dealing with that one then the one on Standards and Business Incubation because you do not have an amendment on both. Then we will come back. So, the place where they will meet is at the global Question.

Now proceed with your amendment.

Thank you so much, Hon. Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates, Kshs863,966,000, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs840,266,000; and, THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs2,303,142,689, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs2,279,442,689. Hon. Chairman, it was a programme that was not funded. It is basically the question of rationalisation. Thank you.

Very well.

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On a point of order, Hon. Chairman.

What is your point of order, Member for Endebess?

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. Looking at the budget, we have had human-wildlife conflict within our country, and many Kenyans have actually suffered through loss of life, injuries and crops. For instance, there are many claims pending before the Ministry of Environment and Wildlife insofar crop destruction is concerned. Crops have been destroyed by warthogs and elephants, among others. As the Member for Endebess, Mount Elgon National Park is within my constituency, and we have wildlife menace. My concern is the issue of compensation for damages caused by wildlife.

You know, Hon. Pukose, you rose on a point of order. I am trying to look out for something which is out of order. The only thing which I can do, and which I am actually going to do now, is to persuade you from the issue which you have just sought and give you an opportunity to contribute to that particular vote, so that your concerns are captured. A point of order will narrow down what you can say.

Thank you for your guidance, Hon. Chairman.

Have you finalised your contribution? I am taking that as a contribution. If you have not, proceed. But wind up, because we really need to move; we do not want to debate at this point.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman, for your guidance. I am well guided. The issue of human-wildlife conflict is a major concern. Many Kenyans who live in the neighbourhood of wildlife are concerned and are looking up to this House to see whether they are going to be compensated. People have been waiting for long. The Wildlife Act, which was passed by this House in 2016, created provisions for compensation. It has not come into effect. When many people take their claims to Kenya Wildlife Service after suffering injuries or their crops having been damaged, and having gone through many processes of even getting agricultural officers to assess the damages, they just wait in vain. This is my biggest concern.

Okay. I see the Member for Mavoko.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I hear the Member. I know he is reacting to the Vote on Tourism. You realise human-wildlife conflict is a multi-agency approach.

The Member for Mavoko, we already passed the Tourism Vote. We are now considering the Vote for Wildlife.

Yes, I am still answering him. You realise most Kenyans, in fact, do not know the difference between tourism and wildlife. It is important for Kenyans to know that wildlife is under the Departmental Committee on Environment and Natural Resources of this House. However, most questions are directed to Tourism, the Ministry under our purview. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

It is important for Members to know that most of these claims involve a multi-agency approach. Sometimes human-wildlife conflict affects agriculture. Sometimes it affects human life, so that the Ministry of Interior and Coordination of National Government is involved. Sometimes it affects health or tourism. Hon. Chairman, it is important for Members to know that this spreading out of the compensation is not charged to one ministry.

Okay, I hear you and so I proceed to ask you to make your decisions. So, I put the Question.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Ksh1,315,500,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Ksh1,095,500,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of the Gross Total of Ksh4,100,500,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Ksh3,880,500,000. These were funds to go to the Lake Basin Development Authority, an amount of 320 million. Unfortunately, we could only afford Kshs100 million, the rest will be factored in the subsequent Supplementary Budget because of the limited resources in the envelope. Thank you, Hon. Chairman.

Very well.

Chair, let us hear your amendment.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Recurrent Estimates, Kshs15,124,691,611 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure Kshs14,124,691,611. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total, Kshs15,249,691,611, be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure- Kshs14,249,691,611.

Hon. Chairman, basically this is a reduction of Kshs1 billion which was provided to cater for pending bills but unfortunately it could not be factored in the Budget because of the constraints of the Budget. However, we have said that the first charge at all times should be pending bills. So, we are hoping that in the Kshs14 billion that we have, they will be able to consider and make sure that as a first charge, they will be able to pay the pending bills. Thank you, Hon. Chairman.

What is it, Hon. Pukose.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I am keenly following it and the Hansard can bear me witness. The figure he is proposing to amend is not as per the Order Paper. I need that clarification.

What is your opinion?

You cannot amend what is not in the Order Paper. The figure he is proposing to amend is Kshs15.249 billion, yet here is it is Kshs 15.351billion.

Where? I do not see Kshs 15.351billion anywhere.

It is Kshs 15.351billion.

It is Kshs15,124,691,611. What is it that you are looking at?

We are looking at the numbers on the digital Order Paper, which is different.

You see the Order Paper has gone hard and also digital.

What you have read is what is on the digital.

This is what I have read, are we not talking about… which vote are you referring to there?

Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission.

This is the figure which I have read so that you can countercheck with yours. I am seeing Kshs 15,351,688,218, Are we together?

It is different.

What is the correct figure? It is as easy as that. Just confirm the right figure then we will go with that.

Hon. Chair, just to confirm with your team, are you reading what you were proposing to amend or you are reading what you have already amended? Have you factored the amendment?

Hon. Chair, there are two figures here, there is a figure which you have not yet amended and there is the anticipated amended figure. That should be what you should be…

Hon. Chair, I think it is fairly straightforward. Let us first dispense with the amendment, then look at what the figure is after the amendment. If there will be any issue, we will step in at that point and work on it. That is the beauty of having doctors in the House; to pass as a doctor… The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

You have already proposed your amendment, so we are now trying to see whether the figures as amended will go through. Let us proceed and have it go through or otherwise depending on what Members feel, then now we see what the figure is, that is what we will put in the global Question. Hon. Chair, so that we know what we have passed; what is the new figure? The new figure as far as I am concerned is that you are now having a figure of Kshs 14,351,688,218. Is that the correct figure? We will be slow on that because we want to be very sure.

It is not exactly, so we will have little consultation.

We will give you a minute. Take a breather, Hon. Members, it is better for me. Maybe at that point we should be…

Thank you, Hon. Chairman, we were amending the programme, not the global one, so, I am waiting for you to put the global Question.

Now, I am just about to go to the global one because your proposal has been taken. So, now I want to be very sure about the figure so that we put in the correct one. I am confirming again, and this should be for everyone, is the figure …

Hon. Members, listen keenly so that you know. There is a reduction by a billion. We had just given you a figure of Kshs 15.351billion, now we are coming with a figure which is different, less than a billion. Let me read it then you get it very clearly.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu)

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): I see we have one amendment of a deletion. Chairman, please move it.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of the Recurrent Estimates of Kshs273,384,269,141 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs272,634,269,141. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of the Gross Total of Kshs273,984,269,141 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs273,234,269,141. This is on account of a reduction of about Kshs750 million that we had provided for additional hiring of teachers. Unfortunately, due to the budget constraints and this one had also been considered elsewhere in terms of the Supplementary Budget II that we will be bringing, it was not feasible for us to accommodate that amount. However, we still maintain that, of course, we need to hire more teachers and going forward we will make sure that, that one is taken care of. I thank you.

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(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): We have an amendment by the Chair. Please, can you move it?

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs2,248,400,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs2,333,400,000; The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total of Kshs17,251,400,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs17,336,400,000.

This is a reinstatement of some funds that had been transferred to the Office of the Ombudsman. The Judiciary needs more resources. We will try as much as possible to provide more resources to them in the Supplementary Budget.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Next Vote.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Hon. Members, as you are aware, we have already finished considering the Executive and Judiciary. We will now consider Parliament.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): The Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Kimunya, do you want to say something?

Let us have Hon. Duale. You can use the microphone at the Dispatch Box.

I have got the microphone, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I want to say something on Vote 2042 - National Assembly, which has been allocated Kshs23,502,082,199. I am sure the Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee, is listening to me. We have said it over the years since the advent of the bicameral Parliament that you cannot put the two Houses at the same level, that is, a House of 349 Members against a House of 67 Members, both in terms of Committees and everything else. We need to go and do our budget through a pro-rata basis so that we know the unit cost of a Member of Parliament. The Vice-Chairperson of the Parliamentary Service Commission is here. Based on that, the Kshs35 billion and above must be shared on equity. That is a principle found in the Constitution. If you look at the Chapter on Public Finance, it says that resources must be shared equitably across the board. We have said this and sang. That is why you see, in the Senate, like now they are on recess. The 47 Members including their Speaker are out of the country. This is because they have a lot of money and they want to spend it before the end of the financial year and yet, some Committees of this House might miss even local travels. Our competent Budget Office and the Parliamentary Service Commission must create a synergy where we know the unit cost of an MP in both Houses, and then the money is shared along that line. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Very well. Let me have Hon. Shamalla Jennifer. I can see you want to comment on this.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I rise to support and associate myself with the sentiments of Hon. Duale. Indeed, the National Assembly is the most vilified House. The assumption is out there that we get tonnes and tonnes of money. I do hope that the people of Kenya are watching and understanding how much we truly get against what is paid out to the Senators. Added to that, they should also understand how much we do make in contributions. With those few remarks, I support.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Very well. I can see an intervention by the Member for Mwea, Hon. Wachira Kabinga.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I just want to support Hon. Duale on his comment on this particular Vote. Just to bring to your attention, I had a very important matter to sort out with my Committee in Mombasa, but we could not go because there was no money in the National Assembly. This happens and yet, as Hon. Duale says, our colleagues in the Senate are all out of the country because they have enough money. This is not fair. We need to go back and look at how to share this money on a pro-rata basis. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Let me have Commissioner, Hon. Shaban Naomi Namsi, the Member for Taveta.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, we have heard the sentiments of my colleagues. As we strive to make sure that Parliament is well funded, we usually consider certain things. I also want to remind Members that the figure you see there of Kshs6.6 billion does not involve Senate affairs only, but the Parliamentary Service Commission is also factored in as part of that. Of course, it is a small percentage which is not a lot of money. However, we will make sure that the budget allocation gets better in the next financial year after this coming financial year. Thank you.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Hon. Duale, you cannot speak twice.

It is a point of what? Okay. It is a point of order.

It is a point of order, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Okay. It is a point of order.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I am sure the Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee, will agree with me, with a lot of respect to the Vice-Chairlady of the Parliamentary Service Commission, that the Budget Office of Parliament has been advising even during the time of Chairperson emeritus, Hon. Ichung’wah, and even the current Chairperson about this imbalance in the budgeting of the bicameral. So, the earlier we face this matter, the better. This matter is there and it is live. You know we live around this place. I do not know what happened, but I was to move an amendment to reduce their money and take it to the National Assembly because it is this House that has the powers of budget-making. In fact, if I move an amendment and the House agrees with me, their money will be cut. I do not need to even ask the Parliamentary Service Commission. However, I am sure we will have our day.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Member for Alego- Usonga. It is interesting that there is a lot of interest on this one by the Members.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I do not have anything to say on this matter.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): You have interest on a different matter. Let us have the Member for Gem, Hon. Odhiambo Ochieng. I can see he is consulting. The Chairperson, Hon. Kanini Kega, the Member for Kieni, did you make a request on this?

I am okay, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I have heard their sentiments and we are going to take them into consideration.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Next Vote. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): I see no interest from Members to speak on the programmes.

Hon. Members, we are through with the Committee of Supply on the Budget Estimates for the year 2021/2022. I call upon the Mover to move the reporting. Hon. Kanini Kega.

Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I beg to move that the Committee of Supply doth report to the House its consideration of the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2021/2022, and its approval thereof with amendments.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Order, Hon. Members. Can we have the Chairperson to report to the House?

I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2021/2022 and approved the same with amendments.

I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee of Supply on its consideration of the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2021/2022 and pursuant to the provisions of Article 221 of the Constitution of Kenya, Section 30 of the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act of 2012 and Standing Order No. 240A, approves the issuance of a sum of Kshs1,942,008,814,883 from the Consolidated Fund to meet the expenditure for the national Executive, Parliament and the Judiciary during the year ending 30th June 2022 in respect of the votes as contained in the Schedule incorporating the proposed amendments. I request Hon. Wangwe to second. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I second.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Hon. Duale, it is not you. Let us have Hon. Gikaria.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I propose that the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of Supply be amended by inserting the words “subject to re-committal of Vote 1152”. I request Hon. Kabinga wa Thayo to second.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Can you give us the import of the re-committal?

Yesterday, I tried to have the amendments inserted when we were doing Vote 1152 but I was advised, as per Budget procedures, that we have to wait. It is only a small amount of around Kshs499 million which had been taken away from a ministry to a department. We are taking it back to the ministry. It was not going to affect the overall figure on energy.

I am Kabinga Wachira wa Thayo, Member for Mwea;

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker; I second.

Hon. Members, please take your seats. Remember we are going back to Vote 1152. The effect of a recommittal is that we will go back to how it was yesterday, so that we start from there and consider any amendments that are proposed by the Chair. As the Chair moves the amendment, the programme under power generation will be moved in an amended form because of the errors that need to be tidied first. I hope the Chair is listening to that. Much as we were considering the programmes together, on this we could consider individual programmes to make it clearer and better, since we have the time anyway. Let us proceed.

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Chair, move the amendment to that specific programme. The amendments are not so many and so, we will consider them very quickly.

Thank you so much, Hon. Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of development expenditure of Kshs9,588,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs9,888,000,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of the Gross Total of Kshs11,855,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with Kshs12,155,000,000.

Remember the amendment has been moved in an amended form and so, do not bother about what is in the Order Paper. Probably, he needs to explain better.

On a point of order, Hon. Chairman.

Yes, what is your point of order, Hon. Duale?

Hon. Chairman, the problem is that there are two amendments in circulation. It is good that Members have the amendment with the figure of Kshs12,155,000,000 and not the one ending with Ksh11,555,000. I think Members should discard the latter and get the right one.

Is there anybody who has anything else other than what I can see here? What confuses Hon. Members is that the first one which is being moved in an amended form is just a correction. That is why he is moving it in an amended form. So, there is no issue. What you need to do, Hon. Members, is to use your power. If you really have an issue with it, vote it down. But what I am saying is that this document has been circulated and it is a correction. There is no issue there, really.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. You know when you are dealing with figures; of course, you have to be extremely careful. The justification for the amendment is that it is basically a reversal from the original figure.

Let us hear this World Bank emeritus officer.

Thank you very much, Hon. Chairman. I do not have my card. This has never happened in eight years. I just do not know where my card is.

No. Nobody had even spoken about your card. You are the only one confessing. I thought you had your card.

That is why you have not heard my voice. Thank you very much for giving me a chance. Just to help us follow this matter, I would urge the Chair to repeat what he said while papers were being shuffled, so that we can be with him on the same page throughout the amendment. We are also following the figures. I would also urge that he be kind enough to say something about the underlying policy shift or policy implication. When he said we are moving an activity away from the field back to the Ministry, he must say something The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

about why the move. There must be a very good reason. I think it is good for the Hansard to record that, too.

And that is the reason you get an opportunity. You hardly make requests unless there is a serious matter. That was, indeed, serious. But the beauty about it is that after the Chair has been given an opportunity, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Energy will also get an opportunity to say something and probably address the particular concern you have. So, please, allow us to proceed.

Hon. Chairman, I beg to move.

The Chair of the Departmental Committee on Energy, you have an opportunity if you wish or if you have any problem.

No, I do not have any problem. Thank you.

Okay. Let me see if there is any Member who wants to speak to the programme. We cannot push anybody to say anything to this.

Order! Who is this Member? Order! Your phone appliances must be kept in silence mode. Proceed and be free to leave.

Let us have the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Thank you Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme with respect to development estimates of Kshs55,191,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs54,692,000,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Gross Total amount of Kshs58,935,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs58,436,000,000. The effect of this amendment is a reduction of the allocation. This is a reversal of funds that had been taken from the Ministry and are now being taken back.

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Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the proposed allocation under the programme in respect of Development Estimates of Kshs2,338,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with a figure of Kshs2,537,000,000. THAT, the proposed allocation under the Programme in respect of the Gross Total of Kshs2,550,000,000 be deleted and substituted thereof with the figure of Kshs2,749,000000. Hon. Chairman, just like the other case, these were monies that were moved from the Ministry to agencies but now the money has been reinstated.

I will give chance to two Members to comment briefly. Let us start with Hon. Duale.

Hon. Chairman, I do not have any problem. However, for tidiness and record purposes, the procedure of the House is sometimes used by our officers from the Litigation Department. These are numbers. I want the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Energy to state from which agencies the monies are being taken back to the Ministry so that the record flows. This is a function of the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Energy, and not that of the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. The Hansard is the official record of this House. In case of anything, we refer to it. So, Chair, you will tell us if it is Kenya Electricity Transmission Company (KETRACO). You have to be careful. You may be giving money to independent power producers.

Well, for record purposes, I will be surprised if there will be any litigation against the House when we undertake the budgeting process. I will be very surprised because this is within us, as a House.

Hon. Chairman, it is the tradition of the House for Members to get to know the nitty-gritty of these kinds of transfers. The Alternative Energy Technologies Programme was initially within the Ministry of Energy. Last year we passed the Energy Act 2019 and all the functions of this programme were moved to the Rural Electrification and Renewable Energy Corporation (REREC). What used to be called Rural Electrification Authority (REA) is now called REREC. Everything renewable was taken to REREC. That is why we got the new name. So, we have told the Ministry that they are supposed to remain with policy matters only at the Ministry and all aspects of implementation should be undertaken by the respective departments and agencies. Thereafter, the Ministry told us that it was not that possible for us to move it. They said if they were to implement the Energy Act 2019, we give them time so that they can do all the transfers so that workers and employees at the Ministry can later be moved to REREC. We agreed with them because we realised that we would end up with a situation where we would have the money The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

in REREC, but the users are in the Ministry. At the end of the day, the money will have to be taken back to the Ministry through a Supplementary Budget.

Well explained. The rest is for the Members to make a decision. So, I put the Question.

Well, let me call the Mover to move reporting.

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. I beg to move that the Committee of Supply doth report to the House its consideration of the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2021/202, and its approval thereof with amendments.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Can we have the Chairperson report to the House?

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2021/2022 and approved the same with amendments.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Very well. Mover, please, move the Motion for agreement with the Committee of Supply.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Report of the Committee of Supply in its consideration of the Budget Estimates for Financial Year 2021/2022 and that, pursuant to the provisions of Article 221 of the Constitution, Section 30 of the Public Finance Management Act 2012 and Standing Order 240A, approves the issuance of a sum of Kshs1,942,008,814,883 from the Consolidated Fund to meet the expenditure of the national Executive, Parliament and the Judiciary during the year ending 30th June 2022 in respect of the votes as contained in the Schedule, incorporating amendments made in the Committee of Supply. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

I request Hon. Amos Kimunya to second the Motion.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to second this Motion and thank the Members for their dedication. This is a very difficult exercise because it is dealing with numbers. I specifically want to take this opportunity to say a special thank you to the Speakers and Chairpersons who were here. I know it is especially difficult for lawyers to comprehend all these numbers. Yesterday by the time the Deputy Speaker was going home, you could see him scratching his head. He told me that the whole night he dreamt about numbers going round. Thank you very much for taking us through this; and Members for being here this afternoon. I appreciate. Finally, I thank the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning for disrupting your meeting to join us. You cannot have a budget unless you have finance. I want to thank everyone who has been here and I am sure at some appropriate point tutajua .

I beg to second.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Order! Order Hon. Maoka! Let me just give you time to resume your seats. Order Members!

Order Members! I have confirmed that we have the requisite quorum in the House for purposes of making a decision, including the holding areas. I, therefore, move to put the Question for adoption.

Next Order!

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Order Members! Those who are walking out of the Chamber, please, do so with decorum. I know we are happy because we are done with the Budget in the Committee of Supply for the Financial Year 2021/22. We want to move to the next Order. Hon. Members, this Order is resumption of debate. Nine Members had spoken to this and we had Hon. Maoka Maore who had a balance of five minutes. We are giving priority to Hon. Maoka Maore if he is in the House and interested in contributing. Hon. Maoka Maore. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

The Bill is Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill (National Assembly Bill No.34 of 2019) by Hon. Millie Odhiambo. The Member for Kwale, now that Hon. Maoka Maore is not willing to contribute to this, is it on the same.

(Kwale (CWR), ODM): Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I want more time to prepare to contribute in a few minutes. Maybe you can give another Member and then I will contribute later. Thank you.

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Order Members! I want to make a ruling on this particular one now that the Mover is not in the House. Leader of the Majority party, do you want to say something. I was finding out if the Mover is in the House and now that they are still consulting on more amendments on the same, I order that Order No.9 be deferred till we are ready.

Next Order!

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Very well. This is also a resumption of debate from the Morning Sitting and again, I am aware as briefed by the Leader of the Majority Party that there are still consultations going on, on some of the proposed amendments or, maybe, on the same Bill. So, on the same note, I do order that Order No. 10 be deferred.

Next Order!

(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): This was from Hon. Florence Mutua, MP, who is also not in the House at the moment, but has also briefed and communicated to the Leader of Majority Party on the procedures and the status. They are also in consultation for some amendments. They are still working on the same, that is, the Constitution of Kenya (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly No. 19 of 2019). I, therefore, order that Order No. 11 be deferred.

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(Hon. (Ms.) Jessica Mbalu): Hon. Members, there being no other business in our Order Paper for today, that is, Thursday, 17th June 2021, and the time being 5.51 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 22nd June 2021, at 2.30 p.m. I thank you all.

The House rose at 5.51 p.m.

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