Sergeant-at-Arms, you may ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes.

Hon. Members, we now have quorum. We may proceed. Sergeant-at-Arms, stop the Bell. Hon. Waqo, go ahead and lay the Papers on behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: 1. The 33rd Bi-annual Report of the Monetary Policy Committee (October 2024) from the National Treasury and Economic Planning. 2. Reports of the Auditor-General and Financial Statements for the year ended 30th June 2024 and the certificates therein in respect of: (a) Agriculture and Food Authority (AFA). (b) Chama Cha Kazi Party. (c) Chemelil Sugar Company Limited. (d) Chesta Teacher Training College. (e) Clinical Officers Council. (f) Commission for University Education. (g) Co-operatives Society Liquidation Account-State Department for Co-operatives. (h) Criminal Assets Recovery Fund. (i) Forum for Restoration of Democracy (FORD) Kenya. (j) Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission. (k) Judicial Service Commission. (l) Justice and Freedom Party. (m) Kenya Animal Genetic Resource Centre. (n) Kenya Forestry Research Institute. (o) Kenya Industrial Estates Limited. (p) Kenya Medical Research Institute. (q) Kenya National Bureau of Statistics. (r) Kenya National Library Services. (s) Kenya Railways Corporation. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

(t) Kenya Rural Roads Authority. (u) Kenya School of Government. (v) Kenya Tourism Board. (w) Kenya Trade Remedies Agency. (x) Kenya Union Party. (y) Kipchabo Tea Factory. (z) Kwale Teachers Training College. (aa) Maseno University. (bb) Media Council of Kenya. (cc) Muungano Party. (dd) Nairobi Centre for International Arbitration. (ee) National Biosafety Authority. (ff) National Construction Authority. (gg) National Employment Authority. (hh) National Gender and Equality Commission. (ii) National Housing Development Fund - National Housing Corporation. (jj) National Police Service Commission. (kk) Nyayo Tea Zones Development Corporation. (ll) Pest Control Products Board. (mm) Petroleum Development Fund-State Department for Petroleum. (nn) Petroleum Training Levy Fund. (oo) Postal Corporation of Kenya. (pp) Receiver of Revenue Statements-State Law Office and Department of Justice. (qq) Road Maintenance Levy Fund. (rr) Safina Party. (ss) Shirikisho Party of Kenya. (tt) South Eastern Kenya University. (uu) State Department for Agriculture. (vv) State Department for Irrigation. (ww) State Law Office and Department of Justice. (xx) Taita Taveta National Polytechnic. (yy) Tana Water Works Development Agency. (zz) Technical University of Mombasa. (aaa) The National Treasury. (bbb) Tourism Promotion Fund. (ccc) United Democratic Alliance. (ddd) United Progressive Alliance (UPA). (eee) University of Kabianga. (fff) Water Services Regulatory Board. (ggg) Wildlife Clubs of Kenya. (hhh) Wildlife Research and Training Institute. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Members, before we proceed, I would like to recognise the presence of students from St Francis Girls Mang’u from Gatundu North Constituency, Kiambu County, who are seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. On behalf of the substantive Speaker, myself and the National Assembly, we welcome them to follow our parliamentary proceedings. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

We have statements from Hon. Machua Waithaka, Member for Kiambu Constituency. Leader of the Majority Party, do you have a point of order?

Yes, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

What is it?

Hon. Deputy Speaker, on behalf of our County Woman Representative, Hon. Wanjiku Wamuratha Ann and the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia, I welcome the beautiful girls from St Francis Mang’u, which is in Gatundu North, Mang’u area. It is one of the very best schools in Kiambu County. It also hosts very many students from across the country. I encourage them to continue working hard and welcome them to observe the proceedings of the National Assembly. I have many students from Kikuyu Constituency who schooled there. Thank you.

We have a request for statement by Hon. Machua Waithaka, Member for Kiambu County. Is the Member for Kiambu, Hon. Waithaka, here?

Let me go to the next one by the Member for Makueni County, Hon. Susan Kiamba. You may proceed.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c), I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the status of Emali- Ukia Road in Makueni County. The Emali-Ukia Road, which serves Kaiti, Makueni and Kibwezi constituencies, is a vital transport corridor that facilitates the movement of people and goods, particularly agricultural produce. It also provides access to essential services such as schools and health facilities. Unfortunately, the road has remained in a dilapidated state since Independence despite repeated commitment by successive governments to have it tarmacked. The unfulfilled promises have left residents in the three constituencies frustrated as they continue to face immense challenges in transport and economic activities. The residents of Makueni, Kibwezi and Kaiti are predominantly farmers and traders, relying on Emali-Ukia Road to transport their produce to markets and processing facilities. Makueni is well known for mango and orange production. Kibwezi produces watermelon and onions while Kaiti is known for dairy farming and banana production. The poor condition of Emali-Ukia Road, therefore, significantly hampers these economic activities, leading to post- harvest losses, increased transport costs and reduced market access. It is, therefore, necessary that the Government prioritises tarmacking and proper maintenance of this road to enhance economic prosperity and improve the livelihoods of the people in this region. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is against this background that I request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Department Committee on Transport and Infrastructure on the following: 1. A report on the current status of the Emali-Ukia Road including any maintenance or improvement works undertaken on the road and when they were undertaken. 2. Why the tarmacking of the said road, which is of significant economic importance, has been delayed for decades despite repeated Government commitments and specific plans by the Government to prioritise tarmacking of the road and to ensure its long usability, including budget allocation and timelines for upgrading the road.

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure here? Is there a Member of the Committee present who can undertake, on his behalf, to bring the statement?

Hon. Chairman, on behalf of the Committee, we undertake to push for an answer within the first week after the coming recess.

Thank you, we appreciate. Next Order.

Next Order.

or Administration Multi-Agency Strategic Planning and Interventions to enhance Support operations. Services

for multi ahency strateguc interventions

for commisiions and tribunals

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for Kenya International Bounderies Office.

or Coordination O&M and Supervision The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

owards security operations-HQ item 2211312.

for DCI HQ item 2211312 - security operations.

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for legal claims. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

or Services PBO Authority.

for public benefit organization regulatory authority.

or Construction of sub- Field county Police HQs Administration Central Ward Services

or Oversight induction of new board Services members.

for Livestock Production Services for items including animal feed rations, fuel and specialized supplies to 16 livestock breeding farms.

to cater for pending bills and to complete solarization.

for establishment of feedlots, fodder and pasture.

for Sustainable Tsetse and Trypanosomiasis free areas in Kenya (KENTTEC).

for Livestock Training Institute-Kitui.

for food rations and pending bills at AHITI Kabete (A in A funded).

for payment of gratuity for officers whose contracts have ended (A in A funded).

to operationalize National Livestock and promotion marketing board.

or feedlots, fodder, pasture and water development.

or Pyrethrum Processing Company of Kenya for employee compensation and O$M.

for Pesticide Control Produce Board towards surveillance against entrance of unauthorised pesticide

for Agriculture Technology Innovation Canters for adoption of technology, innovation, management and practices.

for National Value Chain Support project to cater for pending bill relating to e-voucher services.

for construction of HQ and Satellite campuses for KSA.

for food security and crop diversification to support provision of seeds and seedlings

for Ketut-Mokoro Irrigation Scheme -NIA as seed capital to start the project.

for National Expanded Irrigation Programme to cater for pending bills.

for Adich Gorge Dam- NIA as seed capital to start the project.

for National Water Harvesting and ground water exploitation NWSHA for payment of pending bills.

for Infrastructure 000) 00 LVNWWDA for Development installation ERP system.

for TANATHI WWDA for P.E.

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for National Water Harvesting and ground water Exploitation.

for water harvesting projects CWWDA to pay pending bills.

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for Karuiru water project TWWDA to pay pending bills.

for Kwa Mutonga Earth Dam -TANATHI to pay pending bills.

or Mutyambua Earth Dam -TANATHI to pay pending bills.

for Mekilingi Earth Dam -TANATHI to pay pending bills.

for Sere Earth Dam - TANATHI to pay pending bills.

or GK Memorial School Borehole NWWDA.

for Senetwa-Kamelilo Water Project LVNWWDA. to pay pending bills

for Kipkoil-Kimatkei water project- LVNWWDA to pay pending bills.

for Turbi Borehole NWWDA for drilling, solarization and desalination.

for Hawashow Water Project -NWWDA to pay pending bills.

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or Asega Dam LVNWWDA.

for Kapsiro water supply LVNWWDA.

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for Kenya Fishing Industries Corporation for the Jetty and Uvuvi Fishing Boat pending bill.

for Kenya Fish Marketing Authority for pending bills for fish post harvest losses management.

for Kenya Fisheries Service to fund operations at the 3 laboratories

for Administration, HQ Administrative Planning and Services to cater for Support pending bills. Services

for supervision of streetscape &Wastewater reclamation facilities.

for Office of the Data Protection Commissioner for capacity building and sensitization.

or Directorate of information HQ for equipping and capacity building of field officer..

for Media Council of Kenya .

for KNQA to put in place a system that captures all learners.

or Administration, completion of MIS Planning and System. Support Services

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for 1066104918 Construction of Classroom, laboratory, admin block at Nyamira DEB Primary School. (public participation project.

for Assembly of Assistive Devices Project for SNE Learners -KISE.

for NACONEC.

for Capacity building of school managers at KEMI.

to Standards KICD for capacity building on CBC.

or Administration, upgrading NIMES. Planning and Support Services The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

for Resource Development for Nuclear Programme

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from Critical Rural Access Last Mile Connectivity.

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from construction and equipping of health centers.

from construction and equipping of level 4 hospitals.

for construction and equipping of Mt. Elgon hospital.

or construction and equipping of Mogotio Health Center.

for construction and equipping of Iftin level IV

for construction and equipping of Kegonga level IV hospital

for construction and equipping of Wamba Health Center. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

for construction and equipping of Kanyarkwat Health Center.

or construction and equipping of Sankuri Health Center.

for construction and equipping of Mur Malanga Level 3 Hospital. .

for construction and equipping of Khwisero Level IV hospital.

for upgrading of children's ward Kibunga Level 3 Hospital.

for construction of Ugenya Hospital.

or supply of medical supplies and commodities-vulcan.

for Supply of CD4 Counter instruments. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

or KNH for specialized medical equipment.

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for Reproductive 0) 00 National Syndemic Maternal New Diseases Control Born Child Council for pending Adolescent bills.

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or procurement of equipment for blodd transfusion. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

or construction of KEMRI laboratories.

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for training of health care workers under the state department for medical services.

for HQ professional service.

or universal health covergae.

or procurement of Anti Health Services TB Drugs.

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rom Port Health Control.

for Kenya Institute of Primate Research to manufacture snake anti- venom.

for Kenya Institute of Primate Research for P.E. Shortfall.

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for Kenya Heath Professions Oversight Authority.

for Physiotherapist's Council of Kenya.

for Pharmacy and Poisons Board.

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for Administration HQ admin services.

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for Administration O&M cost for Planning and supervision of ongoing Support Projects. Services The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

for Development of National Construction the Construction Authority towards Industry sensitization, technical training and enforcement of building codes across the 47 counties.

for FY 2023/24 carryovers for damaged infrastructure and civil works in penal institutions.

from the budget of Asset Recovery Agency. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

for Legal Training Kenya School of Law as and exchequer support. Constitutional

for the Council of Legal Education to enable them execute their mandate.

for maintenance of the Kenya Legislation and Case Law database.

to settle rent arrears and service charge for NCLR Office and warehouse.

for legal information and printing of Kenya Law Reports.

to Protection enhance O&M.

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for P.E. deficit.

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or Judiciary Training Institute.

to facilitate settlement of pending bills certificates for construction of occupational safety health institute.

for National Employment Authority (NEA) for hosting internet connectivity system in Konza and ICTA and facilitate job fairs for overseas recruitment in counties. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

o cater and facilitate posting of labour Attaché in Berlin Germany.

for finalization of critical labour mobility bilateral agreements.

for settling of pending bills to suppliers of goods and services.

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for operationalization of huduma centers (Kibunja-10 million and Kitui-20 million).

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for Heritage National Heroes Council.

for Permanent Presidential Music Commission.

for Kenya National Library Services to pay outstanding rent owed to the State Department for Sport.

for Services Kenya Film Classification Board for P.E, contracted services, staff medical insurance, gratuity and rent.

or Kenya Film Commission for P.E, contracted services, staff medical insurance, gratuity and rent.

for Kenya Film School to purchase equipment and customize learning spaces. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

for protection and development of Mawe Tatu Heritage site in Kakamega (A In A).

for Mumonyonzo Dam ecotourism project phase two in Kakamega (A in A).

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for Nairobi Metropolitan Area Transport Authority (NAMATA) for salaries of newly recruited officers, purchase of furniture and equipment. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

for Lapsset Corridor Development Authority (LCDA).

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Hon. Members, this Motion was exhaustively debated yesterday and it is time for the Mover to reply.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, before I reply, allow Hon. Wamboka to contribute. I know he had a lot to say. He did not have an opportunity yesterday. Therefore, I will give him two minutes of my time.

Hon. Wanami, you have two minutes.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Leader of the Majority Party is pronouncing my name loudly. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I support this Motion. I am happy that the Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee have now realised their mistakes. I implore on the new Budget and Appropriations Committee to ensure that they balance the allocation of resources of this country across the board. I want to talk about healthcare and allocation of resources for our hospitals. I have looked at the Second Supplementary Estimates. I come from the western region of this country, which has five referral hospitals in Kitale, Bungoma, Busia, Kakamega, and Mbale in Vihiga. Curiously, out of the five referral hospitals, only one has been allocated a The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

paltry sum of Ksh50 million. Small hospitals like Soy have been given Ksh500 million. In Bondo, there is Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Referral Hospital. The Nyanza region already has Russia Hospital in Kisumu, which is a parastatal, but the western region does not have any referral hospital. The Government has since moved to make Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital in Bondo a parastatal, whereas the entire circuit of the western region does not have any serious referral hospital. I implore on the Budget and Appropriations Committee to try and balance the allocation of resources. They should ensure that every Kenyan feels they are part and parcel of this country. It is very unfair.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Order, Hon. Wanami.

Hon. Pukose, what is out of order?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My point of order is on the issue raised by Hon. Wanami, specifically his complaint about the promotion of Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital to a national referral hospital. It is not in order for him to raise such a complaint. He should, instead, have made a request for, perhaps, Kakamega Hospital to be promoted to a national referral hospital rather than referring to Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital. The promotion of Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital to a national referral hospital followed the requisite procedure, including Cabinet approval. The Governor for Kisumu County, Professor Anyang’ Nyong'o, wrote to the national Government and there was an agreement to promote Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital to the national referral level.

Hon. Pukose, that sounds like a point of information, not a point of order.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me finish my contribution.

You have 30 seconds.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Hon. Pukose did not understand what I was talking about. I was neither talking about Professor Nyong'o's hospital nor complaining about the upgrading of the hospital in Bondo. I was just saying that in considering upgrading hospitals, other facilities should also have been considered. Kakamega Hospital, for instance, requires a status upgrade. I am not complaining on behalf of anyone else. I need fairness. Hon. Pukose, maybe that is why you lost the chairmanship of the Health Committee.

Hon. Wamboka, you are totally out of order. You do not disparage your colleague like that.

I apologise. It was on a light note.

Thank you. The Mover can now reply.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, as I proceed to reply, I encourage Hon. Wamboka to take responsibility, as a leader from that region, and initiate the process of making sure that Kakamega Hospital becomes a national referral health facility. It is within his power to do so. I take this opportunity to thank all the Members of the Liaison Committee, who worked very hard to ensure that we completed this process. I appreciate their effort and their late-night input. I also appreciate the Members of the House who stayed here until late last night to The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

contribute to this debate. It was good to see Members interrogate the document and give so much feedback. With those remarks, I beg to reply.

Thank you.

Hon. Members, we proceed to the next Order, which is Committee of Supply.

Order Members. Those who are withdrawing from the chambers, please, do so quietly. We are now in the Committee of Supply on Supplementary Estimates II for the Financial Year 2024/2025.

Hon. Members, if you would like to comment, please, press the intervention button for me to see you.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Even as I support this increase, I just want to state as follows: The total increase under Vote 1011 to Vote 2017, the presidency, is in billions. Even as we approve these increases, it is important for the presidency to set a good example in terms of use of public resources. What I am seeing is that the presidency is receiving a large increase, while very critical areas, as we will see as we go down, are not getting any increases. In my view, they need to balance because we know what the presidency does. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, but all said and done, I support and will be monitoring. It is unfortunate that when we started this Committee of Supply, majority of the Members just stepped out. I could see the leaders of the majority and minority parties struggling to get them to come back. This is the most important matter, and these are the same Members who will start saying that they are not getting resources for their areas. This is such serious business that it needs to be addressed with a full House. You cannot even see the chairpersons here! These are the issues. I know Members complain about the unequal distribution of resources, but they are never here when resources are being supplied. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Thank you very much.

Hon. Makali.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I congratulate the Liaison Committee for this increase. Our correctional services have suffered through many challenges. When such departments get consideration for an increase, we appreciate very much. I support.

Hon. Makali.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Even as I support this increase to the National Police Service, it is important for the police to take their work a bit seriously. In the last two days in Nairobi, Kenyans have been badly harassed by crooks in places where the President visited. We cannot be giving them more resources when Kenyans are being exposed to these kinds of problems from crooks. I support.

Hon. Wamboka. You do not have a card.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this funding to the National Police Service. Kenya is still far from international standards. As we proceed, I beseech this House to continue giving more resources to this department. This is because at the end of the day we need security. We are not secure. I also ask the Budget and Appropriations Committee, now chaired by my good friend Hon. Atandi, that we must deliberate and give ourselves targets and timelines. That in five or 10-years’ time, we should be at par with the international requirements of the number of policemen per citizenry. I support. Thank you.

Hon. Members, you must know the point at which debate comes in. It is after I propose the Question on the programmes. Use your cards on intervention. Hon. Ikiara, not on this?

Sorry, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I had put the intervention on the National Police Service, but you bypassed me. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Very well. Hon. Wanami, is your intervention on this one?

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we really appreciate the Government’s efforts in trying to bring services closer to mwananchi. So many administrative units have been created, and I laud the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs for this. These administrative units need a lot of resources. I applaud the Liaison Committee on allocating resources to this department, but also indicate that it is not enough. As an Assembly, we should vote more resources so that we bring services closer to mwananchi. Bearing in mind the Bill by Hon. Mwengi Mutuse on village elders that will come into being very soon, this department will need a lot more resources than what we have allocated to them.

Hon. Mutuse.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. To echo what my colleague, Hon. Wamboka has said, we have gazetted many new divisions, locations and sub-locations, including in my constituency, that have not been operationalised. I want to believe that upon the approval of this appropriation, the State Department will move with speed so that we can employ new sub-chiefs, chiefs, and deploy assistant county commissioners to the newly created administrative units.

Very well. We will keep it at one minute. Very fast, Hon. Baya.

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also want to echo the same sentiments. There was a debate here yesterday about the operationalisation of new administrative units, and I think this Ksh9 billion that we are voting on should go into ensuring that it is done, and also to pay the salaries of chiefs and assistant chiefs who have not been paid. In terms of security, this country needs to up its game so that we are a secure country.

I support.

Hon. Tongoyo, finally on this.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, thank you so much. I do not want to belabour what Members have already said. You remember yesterday during the afternoon session that this topic of sub-county and administrative units came up strongly. I indicated in this House that in this Supplementary Budget, we had about Ksh280 million, which could do very little.

So, I implore this august House that, maybe, when we move into Supplementary Estimates III or possibly the Estimates, we consider ploughing more resources into this sector so that we can enable the operationalisation of majority of gazetted units. Members should also know that the power to pass it is in their hands.

Hon. Members, before we go to the next Vote, allow me to welcome, in the Speaker's Gallery, students from St. Loreto Muthetheni Girls from Mwala Constituency, Machakos County, and, in the Public Gallery, students from Loreto Girls High School from Soi Constituency, Uasin Gishu County. On behalf of yourself and the House, I welcome them to observe the proceedings of the House.

There is a proposed amendment on this one.

Mover, could you move the amendment?

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move:

THAT, the First Schedule be amended in Vote 1036 (State Department for

ASALS and Regional Development) by deleting the figure Kshs. 2,800,189,484 in

Column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates), under the programme 1013000 Integrated

Regional Development, and substituting therefor the figure Kshs 3,150,189,484.

This is an increase of Ksh300 million to factor for drought mitigation in various community dams. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Hon. Member for Kipipiri, are you on this one?

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army personnel should pay for their food? I think if this amount is well utilised, that question should not arise because since time immemorial in Kenya, the Ministry of Defence has self- supported in their own mess, untaxed items, and even their food.

Thank you. Very well noted. Hon. Makali.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Even as we support this huge increase to the Ministry of Defence, we know that a modernisation programme is taking place, but it needs to be well planned, so that such huge sums are not proposed in the Supplementary Budget. Such huge sums should be proposed in the annual estimates. We should not get such huge sums in the Supplementary Budget unless there are emergencies. As we said yesterday, the Supplementary Budget is to cater for emergencies.

Hon. Mutuse.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Many patriotic soldiers have lost their lives in the line of duty. During my time in the Public Accounts Committee, the Office of the Auditor-General severally raised the issue of their compensation. That will be one of the considerations as we appropriate these funds. Since those who lost their lives defending our country were the breadwinners for their families, they should be adequately compensated through the money that we appropriate.

Hon. Mutuse, do you want to contribute to this one?

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we have received reports that many of our foreign missions are not adequately facilitated to carry out their duties. We want to believe that this money is going to our foreign embassies and it will not be utilised at the headquarters in Nairobi.

Hon. Kassim Tandaza.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the increase. Many technical and vocational training colleges in the country, including Matuga TVC, were officially opened last year. However, we have not received equipment up to now. This being a centre of excellence, it is my hope that this increase will go into the purchase of that equipment. I hope this will be done fast because students have been admitted, but there is no equipment.

Member for Kanduyi.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also support this increase because some technical vocational training centres in my constituency have not been funded, specifically the Bungoma National Polytechnic. I hope the sums will go towards assisting operations and programmes in that particular institution.

Hon. Owen.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I also echo the same sentiments. We have established many institutions which are half complete because of unavailability of funds. They have taken very long to be completed. I hope this money will also go into that. Secondly, the State Department should employ more teachers in the technical and vocational colleges and also procure the necessary equipment. I support this increase.

Member for Tharaka.

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As we appropriate this sum of money, the very young universities that were recently chartered have great problems with infrastructure, including Tharaka University. I hope great consideration is being given to university infrastructure in the Supplementary Estimates, which we are about to pass. Otherwise, our students will be studying under trees, which is unacceptable.

Hon. Makali.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This is a huge increase which will also take care of loans for our students, especially the needy ones. I support the increase.

Hon. Dorothy.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this increase, but I still hope that capitation for our primary and secondary schools will be released on a timely basis.

Hon. Farah.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the increase. However, in addition to what is already there, we should use climate-friendly cooking methods, also known as smart cooking, in boarding secondary schools in arid and semi-arid areas. The region has a fragile ecosystem and smart cooking methods will spare the cutting of trees. Therefore, the increase must cater for smart cooking technology machines, so that those secondary schools can lower their energy expenditure by almost 98 per cent and at the same time protect our ecosystem.

Hon. Wanjiku.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I wanted to talk about the capitation being sent on time. Education is becoming difficult in this country. The Ministry of Education and the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) have to find ways of aligning the disbursement of the capitation with the school calendar because the school calendar cannot be changed. If we allocate money towards school capitation, but it is not released on time, that disrupts the school system.

Hon. John Makali.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am happy that the increment also affects quality assurance. We hope this particular increment will assist the education officers on the ground in terms of movement to enable them to visit all schools to ensure effective implementation of the curriculum. I support this increment.

Hon. Tandaza.

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The current Competency-Based Curriculum (CBC) has three pathways. While I support this increment, nowhere does it mention that they will concentrate on the third pathway of arts and sports. That is an area which needs to be developed. There is a lot of talent in that area, but the Ministry seems to have swept it under the carpet. I support the increment.

Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, my concern is that some infrastructure projects received partial funding in the last financial year. I believe this extra funding being allocated to basic education, especially secondary schools, will also be channelled towards completing projects that threaten to become white elephants in some of our schools.

Hon. Owen.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to buttress the fact that we need this money at the State Department for Basic Education because there are many pending infrastructure development projects especially the CBC classrooms. Many schools have not received funds to construct CBC classrooms. Once the Ministry receives this money, I urge them to ensure there is equitable distribution of funds, so that there are enough classrooms in all parts of the country and students get a good feel of the CBC curriculum.

Hon. Members, there is a proposed amendment to Vote 1071. We will skip it for now and go to the next Vote. We will come back to it later.

This one also has a proposed amendment. Let us go to Vote 1082.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the increment. However, counties like Kwale do not have a referral hospital to date. I hope the increment will go to such counties which dearly need referral hospitals.

Hon. Kassim, do you want to speak to this?

No.

Thank you.

There is a proposed amendment. Hon. Boss, move your amendment on Vote 1091.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move the following amendment:

THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1091 by deleting the figure Ksh130,176,743,030 in Column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates), under Programme 0202000, Road Transport, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh136,407,243,030. This is to cater for an increase of Ksh62 billion for the Nairobi-Nakuru-Mau Summit Road, which is ready to start, and is meant to provide safeguards for the public-private partnership involved. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Hon. Kitayama, you have the microphone.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I had wanted to comment on the one on road transport. Yesterday, we were given a very good report on what the Liaison Committee has done regarding the non-financial recommendations on budget-making going forward. Geo-mapping is something that is going to help us. These mind-bogging figures of Ksh10 billion or Ksh16 billion will begin to make sense in areas that have not been getting this kind of a share. I support this and hope the Liaison Committee’s Report on geo-mapping and equity in resource allocation will be applied so that some of our roads like the one I mentioned yesterday - Tarang’anya-Ntimaru-Nyamtiro- Kegonga-Loliondo B1 Junction Road - can also be done. Thank you, I support.

Very well. There is a proposed amendment on Vote 1092. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move the following amendment: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1092 by inserting Ksh50,000,000 in Column 9 (Gross Capital Estimates) under Programme 0205000, Air Transport. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is for the completion of ongoing projects on airstrips.

There is a proposed amendment in this Vote. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1094 by deleting the figure Ksh377,917,891 in Column 10 (Gross Current Estimates) under Programme 0106000 – General Administration Planning and Support Services and substituting therefore the figure Ksh459,917,891. This is an increase of Ksh82 million to cater for court awards.

Very well.

Hon. Wanjiku, I can see you. I will give you an opportunity to contribute.

Hon. Wanjiku, do you want to contribute to this Vote?

I wanted to contribute to Vote 1094 and on roads. Maybe the computer is not reading the interventions. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Let us make progress.

There is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1104 by deleting the figure of Ksh16,133,590,000 appearing in Column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates) under the Programme 1014000 – Irrigation and Land Reclamation, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh16,373,590,000. These resources will cater for the last mile water reach from the dams to the wananchi. It is an increase by Ksh240 million.

Hon. Ngusya.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I just want to support this amendment brought by the Mover because we need a lot of these projects in our constituencies, especially the last mile connectivity with water.

Kitayama.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment, but reduction and water should not be found in the same sentence. Maybe we will do better next time, so that we have more money to serve our people well by making sure that the last mile water connections, development of dams and harvesting of water are well done.

015000, 1022000 and 1023000 agreed to)

There is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1109 by deleting the figure Ksh18,730,307,366 in Column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates) under the Programme 1017000 – Water and Sewerage Infrastructure Development, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh19,090,361,126. The money will cover the pending bills by the State corporations under the State Department for Water and Irrigation.

1017000 as amended agreed to)

1001000 and 1004000 agreed to)

Hon. Ngusya.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I am a Member of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and I support this amendment because most of the activities which were affected were pensions. It is very important that we pay our pensions and gratuity in time to the staff who have exited service. I support the amendment.

Before the next Vote, allow me to welcome students from Christ the King School, Nakuru East Constituency, Nakuru County, who are seated in the Public Gallery. Join me in welcoming them to observe the proceedings of the House.

There is an amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move:

THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1135 by

deleting the figure Ksh386,922,250 appearing in Column 9 (Gross Current

Estimates) under Programme 0711000 – Youth Empowerment Services, and

substituting therefore the figure with Ksh387,122,250. This is an increase of Ksh200 million to cater for interventions under youth unemployment.

There is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1152 by deleting the figure Ksh25,892,921,654 in Column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates) under the Programme 0213000 - Power Transmission and Distribution, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh26,042,921,954. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

This is an increase of Ksh150 million for the last mile connectivity and purchase of transformers.

Order, Members. You know how this goes. The Question must be proposed.

We will start with Hon. Tandaza.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the reduction and also note the increase of Ksh350 million for the electrification of public facilities and the other increase of Ksh150 million for the installation of transformers in constituencies. This item is long overdue. I hope that once we pass this Supplementary Estimates, they will move with speed to provide connectivity to schools, which are not connected.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment, but even as I appreciate the increment, as we move towards the main budget, we will need to increase allocation for rural electrification and for extension of power connectivity to rural areas in Kenya. I believe that every home in this country should be connected to electricity in this age. Electricity connectivity spurs economic growth in a region.

I support.

Hon. Bashir.

Thank you. As I support this increment, I would like to ask the Ministry to ensure that electricity connectivity is countrywide. As we speak, there are areas in Mandera Town, the county headquarters, that have been in darkness for the past month due to a lack of generators. This situation is concerning, especially since we have allocated funds for the last-mile connectivity.

Next is Hon. Waqo. Please, keep it brief.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also wish to add my voice to this. We have a major electricity problem where I come from. Most of the areas are not connected. I support this. It says that it will be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh6 million.

Let us have Hon. Muchangi.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The issue of electricity connectivity is very contentious in this country, especially for those who do not have access. As we increase funding for this Programme, we must ensure that there is fair distribution of this resource so that all households across the country feel accommodated.

Hon. Rindikiri.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This is a very important Vote. We even need more resources allocated to this Vote. My constituency Buuri requires affirmative action just like many other constituencies. Therefore, as we move forward, we need to be sector-specific. Some Votes are general, but we need to be sector- specific.

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Order, Members. Hon. Members, we need to be on the same page. I need to make a clarification. The Mover has proposed an increase in Programme 0213000. This adjustment changes the total reduction from Ksh6,896,727,491 to Ksh6,746,727,491. While there is an increase in the programme, it ultimately reduces the overall figure of the reduction. Hon. Members, we are doing okay. Those who are following have heard it clearly. The increase in the programme is in order.

I have explained it. There is an increase in the programme, which has reduced the amount in the reduction of the global figure.

We will definitely have a reduction in the Vote, but an increase in the programme. Hon. Owen Baya, if you followed keenly, you would get it.

Hon. Owen, you are becoming disorderly. You are addressing the Mover and I am only hearing your voice. I do not even know whom you are addressing.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, if we add the figure that has been increased, the gross figure still remains that there is a decrease in the allocation to the State Department of Energy. This is a fact. My worry is: Why are we reducing an allocation to energy when we have issues in terms of energy in the country? These are the fundamental questions that we need to ask instead of just supporting.

Hon. Baya, you are the only one misunderstanding this. The figure has increased in the said Programme and reduced in the global reduction. This is because Ksh896 million as a reduction is a bigger figure than Ksh746 million. Let us have the Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I just want to correct Hon. Owen. He says that we have an electrification problem. That is true, but throwing money into the energy sector does not necessarily ensure the electrification of the entire country. That is why we have moved the money to increase the programme on last-mile electrification. At the end of the day, we want electricity connectivity to reach the most rural areas. It is not about throwing money…

Thank you. The Programme that received additional funding is Power Transmission and Distribution. What Members have debated is proper. Hon. Members, you have debated well. The Ministry has received a boost of Ksh150 million. Therefore, this has reduced the balance in the global figure. So, allow us to make progress.

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Hon. Makali, do you want to speak on this one? No. Hon. Rindikiri, do you want to speak on this one? No. Hon. Bashir, do you want to speak on this one? No. Kindly, let us press the intervention button as we move these Votes. Hon. Bashir.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. There is a new board, the Livestock Marketing and Products Board. It initially required almost Ksh500 million to operationalise. However, I can see in the programme that it has been allocated Ksh50 million. We had a discussion with the Mover on the same and concluded that we need to increase this amount by at least Ksh500 million in the next coming budget to start operationalisation. The Ksh50 million is very little. I expect that there must be an increase in the next budget.

Thank you very much.

Hon. Kassim.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I sit in this Committee and there is a big problem when it comes to fish landing sites where there are pending bills. Some are complete, but cannot be operationalised. I hope this increase will go a long way in clearing the pending bills and operationalising fish landing sites in Kwale, Kilifi, and Lamu. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Mover, propose amendment.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1169 (State Department for Agriculture) by deleting the figure Ksh25,205,606,972 appearing in Column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates) under Programme 0108000 under Crop Development and Management, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh25,605,606,972. This is to cater for an increase of Ksh400 million under sugar reforms. Even though sugar companies are going to be privatised, they still need to be viable at the time of sale. Therefore, this is to ensure their maintenance and upgrade so that they are viable for sale.

Hon. Makali. Hon. Members, use your cards on intervention.

Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this amendment because agriculture is a very vital sector in our economy. Going forward we need to put more money in this department. I support the amendment because sugarcane farmers, specifically in the Nzoia Sugar Belt, have suffered together with employees. Moving forward, I urge that we put more resources.

Member for Sotik.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this amendment, particularly looking at agriculture as the lifeline of the economy of this country. We want more subsidised inputs, especially seeds.

Member for Nandi.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am in total support of the allocation or provision of money to sugarcane growing areas. We need to support production, processing and marketing.

Asante .

I am told there is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1173 (State Department for Cooperatives) by deleting the figure Ksh4,830,408,765 in Column 9 (Gross Current Estimates) under Programme 0304000 (Cooperative Development and Management) and substituting therefor the figure Ksh4,830,908,765. This is an increase by Ksh500 million. It will go to the New Kenya Planters Cooperative Union.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Very well. Before I put the Question, Hon. Rindikiri, do you want to contribute on this?

I support this amendment. It is very important because we are dealing with the coffee sector, which has been on its deathbed. Allocating more money to re-operationalise the New Kenya Planters Cooperative Union will benefit our farmers, particularly in areas like Meru where I come from.

Thank you very much.

Mover, there is a proposed amendment.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT the schedule be amended in Vote 1174 (State Department for Trade) that the Schedule be amended by deleting the figure Ksh3,480,037,327 in column 9 (Gross Current Estimates) under Programme 0309000 (Domestic Trade and Enterprise Development) and substituting therefor the figure Ksh3,479,837,327. This is a reduction by Ksh200 million to rationalise the budget within the Ministries Departments and Agencies (MDAs).

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Hon. Farah.

I support the amendment by the Mover to increase that amount. Our trade representatives travel outside the country for trade missions yet they are not facilitated. They cannot move around looking for markets. Trading with the rest of the world is the most important thing. So, our trade representatives will not bring orders and business opportunities for our country unless we facilitate them well.

There is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1175 (State Department for Industry) by deleting the figure Ksh2,000,000,000 in column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates) under Programme 0320000 (Industrial Promotion and Development) and substituting therefor the figure Ksh3,000,000,000. This is to add an extra Ksh1 billion for the County Aggregation and Industrial Parks (CAIPs) projects happening in counties. Thank you.

Hon. Members, we had skipped some Votes. We will go back to Vote 1071 and Vote 1072.

Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1071 (The National Treasury) by deleting the figure Ksh12,527,740,146 in Column 9 (Gross Current Estimates) under Programme 0717000 - General Administration Planning and Support Services and substituting therefor the figure Ksh12,185,740,146. This is to enable paying pending bills under the State Department of Water and Sanitation which amounts to Ksh342 million.

Member for Nandi County, do you want to contribute on this?

I support this amendment because we urgently need to deal with the white elephant in the House called pending bills.

Hon. Ntwiga.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this amendment. As we know, pending bills have been killing our business people. Therefore, this is a good amendment.

Very well.

Mover, move your amendment.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the schedule be amended under Vote 1072, by deleting Ksh25,208,684 in Column 9 (Gross Current Estimates) under the programme 0709000 under General Administration, Planning and Support Services and substituting therefor the figure with a new figure of Ksh73,208,684. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

We are back to the normal order, Vote 1176.

Hon. Rindikiri, do you want to speak on this one?

Yes. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is a very important Vote. Yesterday I had the privilege of visiting one of the prisons in the company of the Cabinet Secretary and we saw there is a lot of need to increase infrastructure and other services within our correctional areas. The population is increasing. By approving this, we are in order. We would have asked for more, but this is quite in order.

Hon. Kassim.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. With this increase, the State Department should streamline its operations. We have situations where very elderly people visit the offices for registration and most of the time officers in charge are not there. I support this increment but let them also streamline their services to the elderly people.

Hon. Mizighi.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this very important Vote. We are yet to harness many minerals in the country. Therefore, increasing this money will go a long way in ensuring that we harness the minerals in the country, including in Taita Taveta County, where we have many minerals such as gemstones and iron ore.

Hon. Ntwiga, do you want to contribute to this one?

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support this major increment bearing in mind that tourism is a major foreign currency earner for this country. However, the Ministry should stop sticking to the traditional tourism attractions and start exploring more tourism avenues because we have virgin areas that have not been exploited.

There are proposed amendments. Mover.

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended – (i) in Vote 1212 (State Department for Gender and Affirmative Action) by deleting the figure Ksh983,400,000 in Column 9 (Gross Current Estimates) under the Programme 0911000 - Community Development, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh975,400,000.

THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended – (ii) in Vote 1212 (State Department for Gender and Affirmative Action) by deleting the figure Ksh218,282,392 in Column 9 (Gross Current Estimates) under the Programme 0913000 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh226,282,392.

This is a re-allocation within the Vote. We had initially allocated those funds to the Community Development Programme, but we have now re-allocated them to the General Administration, Planning and Support Services Programme.

Hon. Njeri Maina.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady for giving me this opportunity to contribute. It is very unfortunate that while we increase the budgets of all other State departments, we are reducing the allocation to County Woman Representatives of the National Assembly. We are already working with a very meagre amount of Ksh9 million compared to constituency Members of Parliament who get over Ksh150 million, yet we are supposed to cater for the same people. It is biased and unfortunate. We cannot support this amendment as County Woman Representatives because we need to ensure that we cater for our girls, women, youths and people living with disabilities (PLWDs) in the counties that we represent. That is not something that this House should allow to continue.

Hon. Mayaka.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also agree with the sentiments by the County Woman Representative for Kirinyaga. This is one of those accidents that Hon. Donya was talking about yesterday. It cannot be that we reduce the budget when it comes to gender related issues. The County Woman Representatives do extremely important things to help the girl child and to promote affirmative action in the country. We need to reconsider this amendment.

Hon. Mizighi.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also want to echo my colleagues’ sentiments. It is unfortunate because these are funds meant for affirmative action. Why are we further marginalising the marginalised by reducing the funds set aside for them? All the Votes are being increased, but it is unfortunate that funds that support affirmative action are being reduced. We do not support this amendment.

Use your cards for intervention. Hon. Rindikiri.

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in good faith. The problem is that every time we talk about gender, we talk about the girl child or women, whereas by definition, gender is not only confined to ladies. It also applies to boys. We are having a very serious challenge with the boy child. If we reduce this amount, it means we are condemning our boy child. We need money to go and rescue the boy child. We should not approve this as it is. More money needs to be put on this Vote Head for the boy child.

Hon. Tandaza.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also want to echo that certainly we would want to increase that amount, but when a Member says that single constituency Members of Parliament have money to do all what they want, the Member should remember that when it comes to bursaries, we give them to both boys and girls. We do not leave the girls out for the county Members of Parliament.

Thank you. Member for Nandi County.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Of course, the Deputy Speaker who has moved the amendment has tried her level best to explain. My attention is drawn to the global figure which is reduced. That means it is actually affecting every other Vote Head that is in this department. Therefore, we do not support this amendment because we want the global figure to remain as it is or as was, as opposed to the reduction. With the reduction, we do not know where it will go. So, I oppose. We want the global figure to remain as it was or increased, at least.

Hon. Member for Chuka/Igambang’ombe Constituency.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I stand here to support our County Woman Representatives and women leaders in this House. The impact of the work they do in this country is felt in the society. Like my colleague has said, I do not know where the assumption that County Woman Representatives just work to serve the girl child and women came from. We have a very big problem with the boy child who has been neglected. That category of children has been kept under the docket of the County Woman Representatives. This is not a good reduction. We need to give this docket back their money.

Hon. Gladys Boss, I will give you the chance to close this.

Mover, I have given you the opportunity to.

Hon. Temporary Chairperson, it is actually correct that there is a reduction, but unfortunately, I have been explaining to the Members that they will not be able to move an amendment here because we are under Article 114(2) of the Constitution under money Bills. It says that:

“If, in the opinion of the Speaker of the National Assembly, a motion makes

provision for a matter listed in the definition of “a money Bill”, the Assembly may

proceed only in accordance with the recommendation of the relevant committee of the

Assembly (in this case, it is the Liaison Committee) after taking into account the views

of the Cabinet Secretary responsible for Finance.” So, unfortunately, we should have sought the concurrence or the recommendation of the Cabinet Secretary before we can actually move it here. That is the challenge.

Hon. Members, I have given enough people to indulge on this. Allow me to put the Question.

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Hon. Owen.

Hon. Members, I would like to make a clarification. Of course, I will not support a reduction, but there is one thing which is very fundamental. The money for the National Government Affirmative Action Fund (NGAAF) is not reduced by even a cent. It will just remain the same. The reduction will be on the basis of the general operation expenses within the Ministry. We are coming to the end of the financial year and there is certain money that has not been spent for general expenditure within the Ministry. This money needs to be spent. The money for NGAAF has not been reduced. We have consulted on that. So, Hon. Members, this is Committee of Supply; it is not Committee of the whole House. We will come to the Committee of the whole House and still deal with the figure. At that particular time, we will re-look at the figures and see where we are putting the money. But generally, this is the Committee of Supply which is ratified by the Committee of the whole House. So, for me, we are right to pass it. Let us pass it because we are not reducing the money for NGAAF.

Hon. Members, thank you.

Hon. Gladys Boss.

Hon. Muge, let me draw your attention to this issue. What we are looking at is a Supplementary Budget; it is not the main budget. We have less than three months to the end of the financial year. In the Supplementary Budget, we look for money that is not going to be spent before the end of the financial year, so that it can be re-appropriated elsewhere. We also check if there are other people who have mission-critical programmes that will be stuck and need the money as an intervention. So, a Supplementary Budget is just a band- aid; it is not the main budget. So, anything that has been reduced is money that is not required between now and June. I think what we should pay keen attention to is whether there will be an increase in the actual main budget. So, let us not worry about the Supplementary Budget. We will clearly see that there is no reduction in the main budget. It just means that they were not going to be able to spend this money before the end of the financial year. Those who have been given are probably State corporations that have pending bills and they have been sued and are worried about having interest. So, this it is a rescue mission. So, a Supplementary Budget is just that; it is not the main budget. Furthermore, I of all people, would not have sat in that Committee and allowed money to be reduced from gender.

There were two amendments to Vote 1212 on Community Development and General Administration, Planning and Support Services. Have you moved both?

Yes.

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There is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended in Vote 1213 (State Department for Public Service) by deleting the figure Kshs643,945,784 in Column 10 (Gross Capital Estimates), under the Programme 0710000 Public Service Transformation, and substituting therefor with the figure Kshs663,945,784.

This is an increase of Ksh20 million for the completion of the pending Huduma Centres under construction.

Hon. Njeri, are you on this one?

Hon Muchangi are you on this?

Mover

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended in Vote 1252 (State Law Office) be amended by deleting the figure Ksh815,959,137 in Column 9 (Gross Current Estimates) under the Programme 0609000, General Administration Planning and Support Services, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh890,959,137.

That is an increase of Ksh75 million to cover pending operations and maintenance at the State Law Office. These are shortages that came from the previous budget.

Hon. Owen.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, it is okay to remove this money from the Office of the Registrar of Political Parties (ORPP). The Office has a lot of work during and immediately after elections, but after that, there is not much work. Because of that, this money can find some use somewhere else. We can put this money in education and other places. Again, with only three months remaining in the financial year, I do not see how the ORPP is going to spend that huge sum of Ksh204 million for the time being. Therefore, my suggestion is that we agree to remove that money as long as it does not affect salaries and things that have already been spent. Let us move that money and put it elsewhere where there is enough need. Therefore, Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the reduction of the funds in the ORPP.

Thank you very much.

Mover, report progress.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee of Supply do report to the House its consideration of the Second Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2025 up to Vote 1311 and its approval thereof with amendments and seeks leave to sit again.

The Chairlady, you may report

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report to the House that the Committee of Supply has considered the Second Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2025 up to Vote 1311 and approved the same with amendments and now seeks leave to sit again.

Mover, Hon. Baya.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Naomi Waqo to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of Supply on the Second Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2024 up to Vote 1311. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I second.

Hon. Members, the time being 1.09 p.m., this House stands adjourned until today, Thursday, 13th March 2025, at 2.30 p.m.

The House rose at 1.09 p.m.

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