Order, Senators. I have a number of Communications to make. MEETING WITH THE CABINET SECRETARY, MINISTRY OF LANDS, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT Hon. Senators, on Thursday, 25th February, 2016, Sen. Muthama requested for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Lands and Natural Resources on the management of community and public land in Machakos County. The Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Lands and Natural Resources responded to the Statement on 13th October, 2016. Thereafter, the House deliberated on the response and found it unsatisfactory. Members raised concerns about the ongoing subdivision of the land in question and resolved that any sale of the land in contention should be stopped until the issue is resolved. I directed the Standing Committee on Lands and Natural Resources to invite the Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Lands, Housing and Urban Development and the Chairperson of the National Land Commission (NLC) to a meeting of all Senators to deliberate on this important matter. In this regard, the Committee has invited the Cabinet Secretary and the Chairperson of the National Land Commission to address Senators, tomorrow, Wednesday, 16th November, 2016. The meeting will be held in this Chamber from 10.00 a.m. Hon. Senators, the meeting will discuss issues concerning; (1) The contested piece of land LR. No.11491/R in Kiima Kimwe, Muvuti Ward in Machakos County, more specifically as to whether it is public or community land. (2) Fate of the more than 2,500 squatters who are currently occupying the said piece of land. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House today, 15th November, 2016: Report of the Joint Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget and the Sessional Committee on Devolved Government on the Petition by some Members of Kisumu County Assembly on the alleged corruption and gross mismanagement by the Kisumu County Executive. I thank you.
Next Order. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have the answer to the Statement that was requested by Sen. M. Kajwang but he is not here. This is the second time I am available but he is not available. You will remember that you ordered me on Thursday last week to bring the Statement. Therefore, I would like to have your guidance on this.
The Chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations, Sen. Haji, if we start counting availability and how many times you have your statement ready, that may not be useful. I commend you for having the Statement ready. We will give the Member one more chance and we will proceed with that Statement.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Some four months ago, I sought a statement in this House from the Chairperson of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations regarding an incident where one of the residents of Nandi County from Bonchoge area was shot dead by police. You had directed that the Statement be availed in two weeks. Now, it is more than four months and the Chairman has not informed me of the status of that report. Therefore, I seek your guidance on the same. Since he is enthusiastic with Sen. M. Kajwang’s statement, I was hoping that he would extent the same to my situation.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I talked to him and he agreed with me that I will make an endeavour to give the Statement. I am now surprised that he is accusing me before all the Members. I will undertake to try and give it next week.
Sen. Haji, I suppose you invited it. Today is Tuesday. So, let it be next Tuesday.
Let us go by the statements as per the Order Paper. We will start with Statement (a). STATUS OF HIGHER EDUCATION LOANS BOARD LOANS ADVANCED TO UNIVERSITY STUDENTS
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have the Statement with me and I am waiting for your instructions. Can I go ahead in the absence of the Member who sought it?
Order, Chair. The fact that you have the Statement, it is only with you. Even the Clerks-at-the-Table do not have a copy and our rules are that The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am very curious to know how the Chairman of the Committee on Education has the Statement yet the Clerk’s Office does not have it. I thought that statements are given to the Office of the Speaker and then to the Chairs to issue them because it puts everybody in an awkward position when statements go to Chairs directly and nobody else knows about them. If that is the case, then, it ceases to be the property of the House and the Speaker’s Office does not know. I think that is an anomaly that needs to be corrected.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also cannot understand why I have the Statement without you having a copy. I do not know who is to be blamed in this case; whether it is me because I was given---
Order, Senator! How did you get the Statement?
It was handed to me.
By who?
By one of the officers here. I thought it came from your office but I am surprised that you do not have a copy. That can be checked later.
What the Deputy Speaker has said is the ideal position. Of course, we have had cases where the Chairs have been camping in some offices, including peeping at the desks. This is why we have created another device that irrespective of the means of acquisition of the document, the necessary process must be complied with by making copies to all the necessary offices. Sen. Karaba, that is what we have directed you to do.
Let us have Statement (b) issued by the Chair of the Committee on Devolved Government. THE ROLE OF THE SENATE AND ITS ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have had a chance to talk to the Senator who asked this question and she is no longer interested in pursuing an answer to the question. This was rather a strange question coming to the House as it seems to question the operations in the House. Although the question was directed to the Chair, my boss is the Speaker. It would require that I come to you to provide an answer for me to bring to the House. That was the nature of the question. I think that is the fallacy that the Senator has seen and she said she is no longer interested in following the question.
That Statement is vacated.
We will now go to Statement (c) to be issued by the Chair of the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, Justice Retired, Sen. Madzayo. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have the response to the question that was asked by Sen. Kanainza but incidentally, she is not in. Last week when I received the response, I gave copies to the House including her. Therefore, she is well conversant with the contents of the response I want to issue. With your permission, allow me to proceed because this has been a long standing question that requires me to put to rest. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am seeking your guidance.
Let us give her one more chance. The Statement is postponed to Thursday.
Let us go to Statement (d) to be issued by the Chair of the Committee on Education. USE OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT IN LEARNING SCHOOLS
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have copy of the Statement but I am sure I will be faced with the same predicament. I do not know whether you have a copy. If you do not have a copy, I have just received it. This is a statement we have been looking for the past two weeks and I have just received it.
Sen. Karaba, it will be subjected to the same procedure like your earlier statement. The Statement should appear on the Order Paper on Thursday this week.
Thank you very much.
We are now on Statement (e). I cannot see the Chair or the Vice Chair. Do we have any other Member of the Committee?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am a Member of the Committee but unfortunately, the Chairman or Vice Chair is not around. In that regard, I request that you allow me respond to it in the next one week. I believe that by Thursday, either the Chairman of the Vice Chair will be in. If they will not be in, I will undertake to take that responsibility to ensure that I respond to the question.
Why do you not take the responsibility of looking for them or responding to it by this Thursday? If you look at the nature of that Statement, it is quite critical.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am obliged.
We will also defer that. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
The Member who requested for the Statement is on official travel. So, we will postpone that matter to next Tuesday.
That is the end of statements because we have disposed all the remaining ones. Sen. Haji, regarding the one that was requested by Sen. M. Kajwang, is it okay for you to give it tomorrow?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, if I had powers, it would have been dropped but I am obliged by whatever you order although I made a lot of efforts. It is not fair that Chairmen are put to task and when they are ready, the questioners are not ready. That is not fair.
Sen. Haji, I deferred that Statement.
Bw. Spika, umetangulia ukasema next order lakini bado tulikuwa katika msitari tukiulizia hoja ya nidhamu. Kuna hisia Fulani ndani ya Bunge hili la
. Hii ni kwa sababu kuna wale ndugu wanaouliza maswali na jibu linapopatikana, inakuwa tena shughuli ya kumtafuta yule aliyeuliza swali. Hii hutendeka hata baada ya kumpatia stakabadhi ama majibu ya yale maswali. Kitu kingine ni kwamba kuyapata majibu ya yale maswali pia huchukua muda. Sijui kama utatupatia mwelekeo kuhusu jambo hili. Hii itatusaidia kuhakikisha kwamba anayeuliza swali lazima awe kwenye Bunge hili.
Order, Members. My screen is not working today.
Bw. Spika, kufuatana na pendekezo la Sen. Madzayo, ningependa kukujulisha ya kwamba niliamurishwa na Kiti chako kwamba nilete habari kuhusu uzembe wakuiba katikaWizara ya Afya majuma mawili yaliyopita. Lilikuwa swala la Sen. Wetangula.Niliamurishwa na nimejitayarisha leo, lakini utaona ya kwamba sikuorodheshwa katika orodha ya maswala yaliyotakikana. Hii ni vyemakweli?
Hon. Senator, you have raised those concerns starting with Sen. Haji. The Chair is sympathetic to the concerns of the Chairpersons but we have established that the Members who had asked for the Statements have equally lamented when the Statements do not come in good time. We need to be fair to each other. Therefore, it is important to note that if a Member was in the House but he disappears when they had agreed that the Statement will be ready at a particular time, that becomes a problem that needs to be punished. However, it is important for us to have the understanding that we have always had in this House when a Statement is not ready and it is pushed to another time. The same understanding should be applied when it is proved that a Member is not available when a Statement is ready. We have always said that a Member will be given one more time. The word will go out from the day of action to the next day. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Hon. Members, Order No.8 is a Division and we do not have the numbers. We will postpone that Order until the requisite numbers are obtained. Let us now move to Order No.9.
Hon. Senators, we are looking at The Preservation of Human Dignity and Enforcement of Economic and Social Rights Bill (Senate Bill No. 8 of 2015)
The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Chairman, I have sought leave from the Speaker. Sen. Sang will do it on my behalf because I have to attend to the County Public Accounts and Investments Committee (CPAIC) report writing session.
Could we hear from the Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights?
Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, for the record, these are the Committee amendments as shown in the Order Paper. They are not amendments by the Chairperson, Sen. Wako. The advantage is that Sen. Hassan sits in the Committee; therefore, these amendments were agreed upon by the sponsor and the Committee. Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting clause 5 and substituting therefor the following new clause- 5. Pursuant to Articles 43 and 53(1)(c) of the Constitution every person has the right to – (a) the highest attainable standards of health which includes the right to health care services including reproductive health care services; (b) accessible and adequate housing; (c) reasonable standards of sanitation; (d) be free from hunger and to have adequate food of acceptable quality; (e) basic nutrition for children; (f) clean and safe water in adequate quantities; (g) social security and social assistance; (h) emergency treatment; and (i) education.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT clause 6 of the Bill be amended at sub-clause (2)(c) by deleting the words “national and county development plans” appearing immediately after the words “integrate, within their” and substituting therefor the words “respective policies”.
Division will be at the end. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT clause 8 of the Bill be amended by- (a) inserting the words “for purposes of this Act” at the beginning of the introductory phrase to subsection (1); and (b) inserting the following new sub-clause immediately after sub-clause (1)- (1A) In undertaking its functions under subsection (1), the Commission may consult the Commissions established under Article 59 of the Constitution and any other relevant person or institution.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT clause 9 of the Bill be amended- (a) in sub-clause (1) by inserting the words “within six months of coming into office” immediately after the words “County Government shall”; (b) in sub-clause (3) by inserting the words “county” immediately after the words “rights within the” appearing in paragraph (a); and (c) in sub-clause (4) by inserting the words “for free or” immediately after the words “goods and services” appearing in paragraph (i) .
Division will be at the end.
Division will be at the end. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT clause 19 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by inserting the words “and any other criteria that it may publish in the Gazette” at the end of the clause.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT clause 20 of the Bill be amended by deleting paragraph (b) of sub- clause 2 and substituting therefor the following new sub-clause- (b) in the case of conditional grants, disbursed directly to the counties and managed on behalf of the National Government by the respective County Government.
Division will be at the end.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after clause 26- Transition 27 (1) Every county government with a county integrated development plan which took effect prior to the commencement of this Act, shall within six months after the commencement of this Act, amend its county integrated development The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Hassan, I beg to move:- THAT, New Clause 27 be read a Second Time. The importance of this new clause is that our county governments already have County Integrated Development Plans (CIDPs). This clause will impose the responsibility on county governments to review their CIDPs immediately after coming into force of this law to ensure that they capture the contents of this Bill, so that they can mainstream social and economic rights in their CIDPs. Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, it will not be lost on us to appreciate that the budgeting process in our counties is supposed to follow the CIDP. Therefore, if we have to achieve the objectives of this Bill, we must obligate our county governments, immediately this Bill becomes law, to review their CIDPs in line with this Bill so that in subsequent budgeting they allocate resources towards achievement of the objectives of this Bill. I request Sen. Hassan to second.
Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I wish to second the amendment. The Bill envisages every county to have an economic and social rights strategic plan that is part of Section 10 of the County Governments Act, which provides for the County Integrated Development Plans (CIDPs). This places an obligation that within six months, they will all have to develop County Strategic Plans and Economic and Social Rights (CSPESR) and integrate them within their CIDPs. I beg to second.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT, the First Schedule to the Bill be amended in the heading by deleting the words “SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC” and substituting therefor the words “ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL”. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Division will be at the end.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended – (a) in the definition of the expression subsidy programme by deleting the words “limited capacity” appearing immediately after the words “persons with” and substituting thereof the words “in need”; (b) by deleting the definition of the expression “persons with limited capability” and substituting thereof the following new definition- “persons in need” means a person who in spite of having a competent social support system, is unable to produce or purchase essential goods and services in adequate quantities and quality for short or extended periods of time; and (c) by deleting the definition of the expression “vulnerable persons” and substituting thereof the following new definition – “vulnerable persons” include women, older members of society, persons with disabilities, children including infants, school going children, youth, members of minority or marginalised communities, members of particular ethnic, religious or cultural communities, pregnant and nursing mothers, internally displaced persons and victims of conflict, sick persons with chronic diseases such as HIV/AIDS, persons living in precarious livelihood situations in rural areas, marginalised populations in urban areas, groups at risk of social marginalisation and discrimination and any other group that may be identified from time to time.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT, the title to the Bill be amended by deleting the word “and” appearing immediately after the word “Human Dignity” and substituting thereof the word “in”. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 1 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “and” appearing immediately after the word “Dignity” and substituting thereof the word “in”.
Division will be at the end. We have come to the end of amendments of that Bill. Sen. Sang, approach the Chair.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No. 139, I beg to move that a Committee of the Whole reports progress on its consideration of The Preservation of Human Dignity and Enforcement of Economic and Social Rights Bill (Senate Bill No.8 of 2015) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.
seconded.
Could the chairperson report progress?
I beg to report progress that a Committee of the Whole has considered The Preservation of Human Dignity and Enforcement ofEconomic and Social Rights Bill (Senate Bill No.8 of 2015) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
seconded.
Next Order.
Order, Senators. We are in the Committee of the Whole to consider Order No.10, which is, The Persons With Disabilities (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No. 13 of 2015).
Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT Clause 3 of the Bill be amended- (a) in sub clause (1) of the proposed new section 2C by deleting paragraph (b) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph- (b)two persons, one man and one woman, having knowledge and experience in matters relating to persons with disabilities, nominated by organizations representing persons with disabilities, in such manner as the county executive committee member may determine, and appointed by the Governor by notice in the Gazette ; (b) in the introductory clause of paragraph (b) of the proposed new section 2D by inserting the words “residing within the county” immediately after the words “ of persons with disabilities”; (c) in the proposed new section 2F by inserting the following new sub clauses immediately after sub clause (2)- (3) A member proposed to be removed under subsection (1)(f) shall be informed of the grounds of the proposed removal and shall be given an opportunity to be heard on the grounds of removal. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
The Division will come at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairman, sir, I beg to move:- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting clause 4 and substituting therefor the following new clause:- Amendment of Section 4 of No.14 of 2013 4. Section 4 of the principal Act be amended- (a) in subsection (1)- (i) by deleting paragraph (a) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph- (a) not more than four persons nominated in a manner approved by the Minister, by organizations representing persons with various categories of disabilities, at least one of whom shall be from a rural based organisation; (ii) by deleting paragraph (b); (iii) by deleting paragraph (c) and substituting therefor the following new paragraphs:- (ca) the Principal Secretary in the Ministry responsible for matters relating to labour and social welfare or an alternate designated in writing; (cb) the Principal Secretary in the Ministry responsible for matters relating to education or an alternate designated in writing; (cc) the Principal Secretary in the Ministry responsible for matters relating to health or an alternate designated in writing; (iv) by deleting paragraph (d); and, (v) by deleting paragraph (g); (b) by inserting the following new subsections immediately after subsection (1):- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Division will be at the end. That brings us to the end. Since we do not have the requisite numbers to vote, we need to report progress. Mover.
On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. Is it in order for us to do amendments when the concerned persons – the persons living with disabilities - are not here?
Sen. Chelule, one, you are raising your point of order too late in the day; that is water under the bridge. Two, the amendments that have been moved by the Chairperson are from the Committee. Therefore, the moving of those amendments was perfectly in order. Three, when you indicated that persons living with disabilities are not in the House, I suspect you meant the sponsor of the Bill, Sen. Godliver Omondi. The Senator had no objections to these amendments by the Committee. If she had any objections, she would have been in the House to raise those concerns. We are, therefore, perfectly in order. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. I sympathize with the position of Sen. Chelule. You have said that Sen. Godliver Omondi has excused herself, but is it in order for Sen. Njoroge, who has been vocal on all other matters, to be absent when the most important matter - a Bill that represents the constituency that sent him to represent them here – is being dealt with? In your own retreat and ruling in the future, you should take note that when matters touching on persons with disabilities come to the House, Senators like Sen. Njoroge should spend more time to focus on them, instead of being vocal on non-issues.
Sen. Murkomen, you are completely out of order. On several occasions, we have had Bills in this House relating to all manner of sectors. For example, you come from a county that largely thrives on sports and we have had Motions and Bills relating to sports. However, we have never held anything against you for being absent for one reason or another whenever those matters have been dealt with. I want to leave it at that.
Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I wish to inform the House that the two Senators living with disabilities have actively participated in my Committee and are fully aware of the amendments that have been moved today.
Very well. Proceed.
Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.139, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole reports progress on its consideration of The Persons With Disabilities (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.13 of 2015) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered The Persons with Disabilities (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.13 of 2015) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report.
seconded.
The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Hon. Senators, we are now in the Committee of the Whole to consider The Basic Education (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 35 of 2014).
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 4 of the Bill be amended in the proposed new section 20- (a) in sub-clause (1) by- (i) deleting paragraph (a) and substituting therefore the following new paragraph- (a) the county commissioner who shall be the chairperson of the Board; (ii) deleting paragraph (d). (iii) deleting paragraph (i) and (d); (iv) deleting paragraph (k) and substituting therefore the following new paragraph- (k) one person jointly nominated by the Primary Schools Heads Teachers Association and the Secondary School Principals’ Association. (b) by deleting sub-clause (2) and substituting therefor the following new sub-clause- (2) in appointing a person as a member of the County Education Board, the Cabinet Secretary shall- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT Clause 5 of the Bill be amended- (a) in the proposed new section 25A- (i) in sub-Clause (2) by deleting paragraph (h) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph- (h) one person jointly nominated by the Primary School Head Teachers Secondary School Principals (ii) by deleting sub-Clause (3) and substituting therefor the following sub-Clause- (3) In appointing a person as a member of the Sub-County EducationBoard, the Cabinet Secretary shall- (a) observe the principles of- (i) gender equity; (ii) regional, ethnic and religious balance; (iii) transparency; (iv) openness; (v) competitiveness; and (vi) equal opportunities for persons with disability; and (b) ensure that the persons appointed under sub-section (1) meet the requirements of Chapter six of the Constitution. (b) in the proposed new section 25B- (i) deleting the words “ village polytechnic” appearing immediately after the words “private youth” in paragraph (e) and substituting therefor the words “vocational centers”; The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move:- THAT Clause 6 the Bill be amended in the proposed new sub-section (4) by inserting the words “in consultation with the Council of Governors” immediately after the words “Teachers Service Commission”.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT Clause 7 of the Bill be amended- (a) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (a) (aa) deleting the words “at their own expenses” appearing immediately after the words “chaplains”. (b) in paragraph (c) by deleting the new proposed paragraph (f) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph- (f) to make recommendations in consultation with the Teachers Service Commission on persons appointed or deployed as head teachers, principals and their deputies in public sponsored institutions.
Division will be at the end.
Division will be at the end. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move:- Amendment of THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 13 Section 56 of and substituting therefore the No.14 of 2013 following new Clause- 13. Section 56(1) of the Principal Act is amended- (1) by deleting paragraph (a) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph- (a) three people elected to represent parents of the pupils in the school or from the local community; (2) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (f)- (fa) one person co-opted from the Parents Teachers Association;
Division will be at the end.
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move:- Amendment of Section 94 of No.14 of 2013. THAT, the Basic Education Bill, 2014 be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after Clause 13:-
Division will be at the end.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by deleting paragraph (b) and substituting therefore with the following new paragraph- (b) by deleting the definition “manager” and substituting therefore the following new definition- “manager”, means a person appointed by the proprietor with the approval of the Cabinet Secretary to coordinate and oversee the implementation of education policies and guidelines in an institution of basic education and training and may perform delegated teacher management functions.
Division will be at the end.
Division will be at the end. Hon.Senators we do not have the numbers to proceed to the division. We will therefore report progress.
Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order 139, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole reports progress of its consideration of The Basic Education (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 35 of 2014) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.
The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that a Committee of the Whole has considered The Basic Education (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 35 of 2014), and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.
The Mover, Sen.Karaba.
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee of the Whole in the said report.
Did you have a seconder?
No, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The one I had is not in the House.
Can you get one?
seconded.
Sen. Haji.
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to amend the Treaty Making and Ratification Act No. 45 of 2012 in order to reinstate the role of the Senate in the Treaty making and ratification process. The Constitution of Kenya Article 2---
Sen. Haji, you need to move by saying that you are reading the Bill forthe SecondTime before you start explaining. Just read it the way it is, and say you beg to move. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you. I stand corrected. I beg to move that The Treaty Making and Ratification Act No. 45 of 2012 be read a Second Time. As I said earlier, the Constitution of Kenya Article 2(6) states that:- “Any treaty or convention ratified by Kenya shall form part of the law of Kenya under this Constitution.” Pursuant to Article 94(1) of the constitution:- The legislative authority of the Republic is derived from the people and, at the national level, is vested in and exercised by Parliament.” Further, Article 94(5) states:- “No person or body, other than Parliament, has the power to make provision having the force of law in Kenya except under authority conferred by this Constitution or by legislation.” Mr. Temporary, Speaker, Sir, as we all know, Parliament consists of both the National Assembly and the Senate. Consequently, the function of considering and approving the ratification of treaties is a function that resides in both Houses of Parliament in exercise of their shared legislative authority under Article 94 of the Constitution. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Constitution was very specific on treaty making. However, when the British Government and the Kenyan Government entered into a defence pact recently, it went to the National Assembly and without referring it to us. They deleted the power of the Senate. That is what we are trying to address because the Constitution is very specific that Parliament is made up of both Houses. Therefore, such treaties must be considered by both Houses. Therefore, the amendment is addressing the position that Parliament should have its role in treaty making. Therefore, we want that power table office be reinstated to us as it is with the National Assembly. I beg to move and request Sen. Murungi to second.
I second.
Hon. Senators, I am not seeing any request. I thought we have very senior counsel in the House.
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to support this very important Bill. This country has a new Constitution. The provisions of the Constitution of Kenya 2010 are well thought out. This country adopted the Constitution after a long process of negotiations. It is unfortunate that we have institutions in this country who still think that the country is still being governed by the old constitution. There are new institutions courtesy of the new Constitution. Previously, we had a unicameral Parliament. Under the new Constitution, we have a bicameral Parliament; that is the Senate and the National Assembly. However, many of our people think Parliament is made up of the National Assembly. It is an unconstitutional for Members from one Chamber to propose amendments to various legislations without, including participation of the other House. For example, the Bill that the National Assembly passed to remove the role of the Senate in the process of ratifying treaties is completely unconstitutional. The Members moved an amendment The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Well done, Senator.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak on this important Bill. It is a Bill that has been brought by the Chairperson of the Committee which deals not only with national defence but also foreign relations. It is appropriate that I speak on this Bill because I have just come from New York and last Friday, we had elections to the International Law Commission which is one of the five organs of the United Nations. The organs under the United Nations Charter include; the General Assembly, the Security Council, the Economic and Social Council, the International Court of Justice and the International Law Commission. I was re-elected for another five-year term starting January 2017. The International Law Commission is concerned with codification and progressive development of international law. In fact, at our last session in May, we were concerned about the Vienna Convention on the law of treaties. What came out clearly is that there is now a developing international law that needs codification on the way treaties are ratified. In this country, under the old Constitution, there is one main method but there are really two methods of ratifying treaties. One was Cabinet decision that a treaty can be ratified. However, under the new Constitution, the treaty can only be ratified by approval of Parliament. This is a very important part of legislation in this country. Article 2(5) comes after the word “Any law” including customary law that is inconsistent with this Constitution is void to the extent of its inconsistency. After that, we have paragraph 5 and 6. Paragraph 5 talks about the general rules of international law. In the process of ratification and the country adhering to the provisions of the international customary law and the provisions of the treaty that has freely entered into, it may very well be that that treaty could supersede a bit of the Constitution. For example, if under the current Constitution, Kenya entered into an obligation or a union with a neighbouring country, then that treaty can only be entered into by amending the Constitution of Kenya to permit that union to take place. When one talks about issues of integrity, it is the whole purpose of integration, particularly economic and political integration. It is about a nation ceding part of its sovereignty to a larger body like the African Union or the East African Community and so on. So, to the extent that a legislation that is ratified in a treaty can have those effects in Kenya, it becomes important that that legislation has to be endorsed by Parliament under Article 94. Under Article 94, Parliament has to protect the Constitution and promote democratic governance of the Republic. We cannot protect the Constitution as Parliament unless we are also involved in the ratification of the treaties. Ratification of treaties can have a very serious impact on the current Constitution. In fact, I am sure the “King of Meru” will agree with me that even when we were in college, it was more or less taken for granted that where a nation has entered into an obligation under a treaty, you cannot, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you very much for allowing me to contribute in support of this Bill. Since the promulgation of the Constitution in 2010, quite a number of Members have not understood the Constitution. Before then, there was a gathering which took place at the Bomas of Kenya. Some of us were there and we contributed a lot towards the making of the Constitution framework. Some Members who were not there were represented by some people who believed that the moment somebody read the Constitution, he could interpret the same to the masses. Since so-and- so has read, we will also not read the Constitution because we were told what is there by the person who read it and understood it. These are some of the problems that we are now facing. These are the fruits of misinformation and poor delivery of the Constitution to the people. The consumption of the Constitution has not been well taken by some people. Worse of it all is that some of these people are parliamentarians. It is important to note that we are all parliamentarians whether elected as a Senator or a Member of the National Assembly. That is why it is stated as Parliament in the Constitution. We need to understand the rules of the game now that Parliament is an august House. We need to be sure of who a Member of Parliament is and what kind of legislation goes on in Parliament.It is true that Bills are passed by both Houses of Parliament. There is something negative when the National Assembly decides not to recognize some Bills passed by the Senate. This is because they are trying to negate some of the principles of the same Constitution that we all passed in the Bomas of Kenya and promulgated in 2010. I fear a situation where we run into problems of misunderstanding because those misunderstandings that may lead into problems. For us to understand one another, I propose that there should be a retreat for the Members of Parliament from the National Assembly and the Senate. We have heard people who have said that the Senate should be abolished yet it is in the Constitution. I think this is happening because people are trying to understand what the Senate means. We have even had some people who have come to Parliament for the first time in the Eleventh Parliament saying that they have the powers and that they cannot recognize what is already recognized in the Constitution. This is the reason why we need to have a session where the Constitution will be taught again to all sitting Members for them to understand what roles each House plays. They should understand what mediation is. Why should we go to mediation when it is an obvious Bill or legislation which needs to be passed by either of the Houses? It is important to help the Members of Parliament to understand what a bicameral Parliament is. It is also important to fit the Senate to what we call the Senate of the world. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
I now call upon the Mover to reply.
Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank my colleagues for enriching the purpose this Bill seeks to achieve. As I said earlier, my colleagues emphasized the role of the Senate as stipulated in Article 96(1) of the Constitution, which is to protect the interests of the counties and their governments. The treaty which provoked us into bringing this Bill is as a result of the military treaty between Kenya and the British. These military exercises are done in the counties. We know the hue and cry by people in Kajiado, Samburu and Laikipia as a result of the exercises that are being done by the military in this regard. Therefore, it was totally unacceptable and wrong for the National Assembly to disregard the role of the Senate. If some Kenyans will go to court as a result of the passing of that treaty with exclusion of the Senate, I believe the courts will nullify that treaty. We are trying to correct this so that these kinds of things do not continue to happen, and, even if when it goes to them, they will sit on it; we have the provision for The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Okay, it is deferred.
Next Order! THE WAREHOUSE RECEIPTS SYSTEM BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 12 OF 2015)
I defer that order to tomorrow.
Sen. Khaniri is not there. So, I defer it. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo is also not there. It is deferred.
INSTALLATION OF CCTV CAMERAS IN ALL POLICE STATIONS AND POLICE POSTS THAT, CONCERNED about the numerous reports of the arbitrary arrests of innocent people by the police; FURTHER CONCERNED that a large number of those arrested are allegedly locked up in police cells without being recorded either in the Occurrence Book or elsewhere; DEEPLY CONCERNED that some of the arrested people disappear without a trace and that many who are subsequently traced are found dead away from where they were known to have been locked up; ALARMED by the recent incident where three young men were locked up for hours at Syokimau Police Post without any record indicating they had been at the police The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. (Eng.) Muriuki is also a Member of County Public Accounts and Investments Committee (CPAIC). I think they are meeting somewhere. It is deferred.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE POLICY STATEMENTS AND STRATEGIES MADE IN THE NATIONAL SPECIAL NEEDS EDUCATION POLICY FRAMEWORK AWARE that Article 43 (1) (f) of the Constitution of Kenya provides that every person has the right to education and that Article 53 (1) (b) of the Constitution provides that every child has the right to free and compulsory basic education; COGNIZANT that Article 54 (1) (b) of the Constitution provides that a person with any disability is entitled to access educational institutions and facilities for persons with disabilities that are integrated into society to the extent compatible with the interests of the person; RECOGNIZING that education in Kenya is a shared function of both the county and national governments; CONCERNED that while significant gains have been made under the Free Education Programme introduced in the year 2003, access and participation of children with special needs is generally low across the country and their needs have not been specifically addressed; NOW THEREFORE the Senate directs the Standing Committee on Education to inquire into the performance of the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology in the implementation of the policy statements and strategies made in the National Special Needs Education Policy Framework, 2009 and report back to the Senate within three months.
Since this is my Motion, and, I cannot see other Members of the Chairperson’s Panel, there is no way I can move when I am the Chair. So, it is deferred also.
The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Hon. Senators, there being no other business, the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday 16th, November, 2016, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 4.50 p.m. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate