Honourable Senators, let me take this opportunity to welcome you back for this Ninth Special Sitting of the Fourth Session of the Senate and thank you for finding time from your holidays and your busy schedules to attend this Special Sitting. I am sure each of you had scheduled family and county commitments and it is because of the value you attach to the business of the Senate, that you have created time to be here. Hon. Senators, by a letter dated 22nd December, and pursuant to Standing Order No.29(1) of the Senate, the Senate Majority Leader supported by the requisite number of Senators, requested the Speaker to convene a Special Sitting of the Senate to consider among other things the approval of the nominees to the National Climate Change Council, approval of the Report of the Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget on the Budget Policy Statement and consideration of the Election Laws (Amendment) (No.3) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.63 of 2015) among other urgent business as listed in the Order Paper and the Gazette Notice convening this Special Sitting. Following consideration of the request by the Senate Majority Leader, I was satisfied that it met the requirements of Standing Order No.29(2). It is in this respect that I convened this Special Sitting of the Senate via Gazette Notice No.10682 dated 23rd December, 2016. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I thank you for the communication. In keeping with the respect we have for the House, as soon as you summoned us, you can see we are here in very large numbers. However, as I thank you, I would like you to clarify something very important. The experience I have gone through this morning is that I have been denied access to this House. I took refuge at the parking at the Kenyatta International Convention Centre (KICC) and on my way to this Chamber, police dogs barked at me. I would like you to clarify whether it is by the order of the Speaker of the Senate that, today, during a Special Sitting of the Senate, we have Anti- Riot Police, police dogs and all the roads leading to this Senate barricaded. If it is not by your order, could you, therefore, confirm to this House that this Senate has lost its independence from the Executive and that we have been held captive by the Executive?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Further to what the distinguished Senator for Kakamega has raised, I would like to know why we Senators were restrained to enter into this distinguished august House. We were told that we could not enter with our cars. Who was coming to debate these issues if not us? It is us, the most important people who were coming to discuss these issues and if we are restrained from entering in the normal manner deserving a Senator and that, instead, I have to leave my car very far away and walk, then what am I coming to do here? We have a lot of parking here and also on the upper side of the other House. Since we are only 67 Senators, how many parking slots do we need? It is a shame. We want a clarification whether the Executive has taken the Legislature captive or whether the doctrine of separation of powers still exists.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, in your communication, could you further confirm to the country that the second Senate of the Republic of Kenya since inception has had a tradition of maturity, peace, no wrangles and no fights?
Mr. Speaker, Sir. I join my colleagues in thanking you for the communication you have just made. Let me make it very clear from the onset that when I look around this Senate, I can proudly say that I am the longest serving legislator in this The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Proceed, Sen. Khaniri.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have three fundamental issues that I want to raise in regard to the session today. First and foremost, is the issue that has been raised by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and ably supported by Sen. Ong’era; the cordoning off of the precincts of Parliament. As I said, I have served in this Parliament for the last 21 years, uninterrupted. I have never seen anything like this before. This is a very important House where the laws of the land are made. Members of Parliament (MPs) both in the “Lower” House and this House are very important citizens of this country. They must be given full access to Parliament, particularly when you call us for a Special Session like this. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was blocked from driving into my work place. I find this ridiculous and unacceptable. We are awaiting your ruling, further to which, depending on the ruling you give, some of us are thinking of taking legal action against those who are blocking us from entering our place of work. That is my first issue. Mr. Speaker, Sir, secondly, I do not want to anticipate debate but I have had a chance to look at the Order Paper before us this morning. I believe what has been listed as Order No.5 which is of course, the first Bill that we will debate is the Election Laws (Amendment) Bill, No.3. I believe this is the main reason we have been called here today. I am looking at our Standing Orders and I want to draw your attention to a number of Standing Orders. The first one would be Standing Order No.127 (1). It states:- “Except with the leave of the Senate, not more than one stage of a Bill may be taken at any one sitting.” It is a very important Bill. I can see it has been listed for stage one which is First Reading and further listed for stage two which is Second Reading. I believe that would be the debate. I want your guidance on that. Are we not contravening the provision of Standing Order No.127? The second Standing Order that I want to bring to your attention is Standing Order No.130 (1). It states:- “A Bill having been read a First Time shall stand committed to the relevant Standing Committee without question put.”
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Order, Sen. Khaniri! Then, what are you responding to? What is it, Sen. Murkomen?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I respect Sen. Khaniri, the Senator for Vihiga. He is making very valid points as per the Standing Orders. However, I thought the relevant time to raise the point of order; especially on Standing Order No.127 is when that business is called. We have not reached it. I thought the reactions which most of us have requested started by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Ong’era were related to your communication, especially the decorum in the House and so on; then, when the next order is called and we reach the relevant order, those points of order are raised. I am saying this, well informed that there is a discussion around that issue elsewhere; that we will come to that when the order is called. I thought your communication per se, is what you will give us a few minutes to debate.
Order, Sen. Murkomen! I was beginning to form the same opinion, Sen. Khaniri; that you should raise those issues at the point of those specific orders. Let Sen. Khaniri proceed. What is it Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Senator for Elgeyo-Marakwet is perfectly in order to stand on that point of order; but if you may remember, in your communique, you referred to the Order Paper by mentioning the business before us today. Sen. Khaniri is pointing out the issues on the Order Paper which you referred to in your communication. So, if you allow the Senator for Elgeyo-Marakwet to deny Sen. Khaniri an opportunity to have you hear him, it will be assuming that the Senator for Elgeyo- Marakwet is in the Chair. He is not.
Order, Members! Let me stand so that there is avoidance of doubt on who is on the Chair. I have not denied the prolific Senator for Vihiga an opportunity. I am only guiding on how we should do the business. In my communication I made generalities on the business on the Order Paper. We have now gone ahead on the Order Paper to schedule the orders. So, when you raise an issue that is a bit substantive then the right place to do so is at that particular order. That is all we are saying. Proceed, Sen. Khaniri.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank you for your wise guidance. The remainder of my issues is related to that Order and, therefore, I will raise them at that stage. I wait for your ruling on the first issue that I raised. Thank you.
Hon. Members, my screen is full. Sen. Orengo, kindly limit yourself to not more than two minutes.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to ride on what Sen. Khaniri and Sen. Ong’era have raised. I was looking for a copy of the Powers and Privileges Acts. There were very old provisions which are found in our legislation and in many parliaments in the Commonwealth.When Parliament is in session, even if you have a civil The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to associate myself with the comments and concerns raised by my colleagues in this House. We hope and we have always known that the security of Members of Parliament is a responsibility of the Parliamentary Service Commission. Are the police officers who are barricading access to Parliament under the instruction of Parliamentary Service Commission or whose instruction are they working on? It is important for Parliament to operate independently. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order. Could we hear from Sen. Wetangula?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
What is it Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?
On a Point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.Just like Sen. Sang, most of us have looked after animals. On many occasions, we are accompanied by the family dog when we are on that exercise. He knows that the dog only obeys two instructions. It has been trained to only bark at Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale if he has an offensive weapon, or the person holding the dog has told it: S aa!” I want to confirm that I have no weapon. The dog barked because the police have instructions to tell the dog” saa!” when it sees a CORD Senator
Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to belatedly wish all our colleagues a merry Christmas and a happy new year. We also appreciate the fact that our colleagues from both sides of the House have turned up in large numbers for today’s business. I heard some saying on radio that they are going to vote. They did not say that they were coming to consider a Bill. They said they were coming to vote which is very absurd. We want you to make a serious ruling on this. Article 118 of the Constitution says:- Parliament shall- (a) conduct its business in an open manner, and its sittings and those of its committees shall be in public; Mr. Speaker, Sir, if you look at both sides of the gallery, a Bill such as this, would attract enough members of the public to fill both sides of the gallery. Kenyans are interested to hear what the distinguished Senators of Murang’a and Busia want to say about this Bill. There are those who have no radios or TVs. We also have old colleagues, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order, Sen. Wetangula! You need to qualify that statement. I already told you my screen is full. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, if your screen is full, then my statement was only limited to what I have heard so far. When I hear more, I will even seek a second opportunity top congratulate those who will stand up to be counted like I did to Sen. Sang.
Let me finish by urging you that this Senate must be seen as a Senate. It is not a chief’s baraza where one comes with armed people to protect the chief from possible molestation by his people. This is a House of Parliament and it must remain so. I have more than 10 requests in my office of people who wanted me to give them cards to go to the public gallery and listen to these distinguished Members debating these issues. They cannot come because they cannot even access the precincts of Parliament. Is this part of Kahawa or Langata Barracks or is it the Senate of the Parliament of Kenya where the people’s elected representatives camp? Before we go to the Business, we want your direction.
Members, I will just give two more from each side and we conclude.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, first I thank the Leader of Minority for wishing us a Merry Christmas, although belatedly, and a Happy New Year. It is customary also to wish people a prosperous New Year. I therefore, remind and wish him a prosperous New Year. About the success in elections, he has to contend with Sen. Okong’o.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I share the concerns of Members regarding access to Parliament. About the absence of many people in the public gallery, the Minority Leader did not notice that there is a lady in the public gallery.
She is a person. He was saying there is nobody. There is somebody in the public gallery. Secondly, under the Police Act, it is the duty of the police to protect Kenyans and their property. I am not saying that it is not the duty of the police to protect the Members of Parliament. It is the duty of the police to ensure that the Members of Parliament access Parliament. We have had occasions where goons and other people had been stationed in the roads to make sure that Members of Parliament do not access Parliament. Police have a duty to make sure that the roads are clear for us to access Parliament. The rules are not being operated in a vacuum. The police were acting on the experience they had with the Lower House where the debate on this Bill degenerated into physical fights. Members conducted themselves in a very dishonorable manner. However, I agree with my colleagues that this is a very dignified House. At no time has there been a physical fight between one Senator and another. However, the police might not know the difference. You might as well communicate to say that even as we debate The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
What is it Sen. Omar?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, did you notice that when Sen. Murungi was speaking, Sen. Kivuti walked in and, for all practical purposes, what he was dressed in from the waist down is what, in the definition of young people, is known as a jeans. The fabric of the jacket makes it appear like he has just walked out of a club. I think even as the dress code is defined in your Speaker’s rules, you need to have a further definition that, that extreme style of dressing is not acceptable.
Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki, are you seeking the floor?
(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am. My concern is in connection with the point of order that has been raised about attempts to create a situation of fear and anxiety among Members of this House. We have never had any incident inside this House. Even the one or two Senators that almost veered off did so elsewhere and not here because there is one who accidentally blew a whistle but they never did so here. There is another one who had not gone to the gym and wanted to do gymnastics but they did not do it here. It is not right for anybody to ask policemen and women to come and camp around Parliament when the Senate is meeting and yet there are no chaos, no insults, no intrigues. We have come here to persuade each other as leaders in this country, using reason and logic. The majority will have their way but even the minority must have their say. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. Murkomen.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join my colleagues in condemning the kind of barricading I have seen around Parliament. This must be contextualized. I think it is easy for us, politicians and Parliamentarians and those who have privileged positions to shift blame to others, but we must also ask ourselves what visited us as elected leaders that we could engage ourselves in such behavior that would attract the necessity of having policemen around Parliament. This is not the first time I have been shocked about this. The other week when the National Assembly had a Special Sitting, the whole place around Parliament was impossible to operate in. In fact, it was impossible for us to access our offices. Looking at the context, we are elected, called hon. Members but we carry pepper sprays to spray others in the Chamber . We carry knives as we were told. We carry hot pilipili to Parliament. We carry whistles. In fact, the last time whistles were carried to Parliament, a Member of this House was part of it. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to be very honest; we must first condemn ourselves before we talk about the police. We must condemn our behaviour as leaders. If you see a leader insulting another in a language that Sen. Wetangula called un-Parliamentary, for example, calling the Head of State “a fool” and using other unprintable words within Parliament, I think we must---. As we condemn the action visited upon us by police being in our precincts, we should condemn ourselves and our actions as parliamentarians.
What is it Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, is Sen. Murkomen in order to associate the behaviour of Members of Parliament in the National Assembly with this Senate? I want to be very clear that you called the Senate to a Special Sitting today and, on this day, the policemen are out there. Is it possible to attribute the behaviour of another The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. Murkomen, that is a valid challenge.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Bible says that if a leg or toe is injured, the whole body is in pain. Parliament is both the National Assembly and the Senate. The behaviour of one House affects the integrity of the other House.
No! No!
Order, Members!
Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a point of debate.
Order, Members! Sen. Murkomen, you can see the mood of the House. They have demonstrated that they do not share your sentiment; just abandon it.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, even as I abandon it, we need to be honest with the message we are passing to the National Assembly. The embarrassment that has visited the precincts of Parliament is regrettable. As I said earlier, I have an office in this Parliament which I was unable to access two weeks ago. Sen. Wetangula also said that he watched MPs armed themselves to fight. Even as we condemn police presence within Parliament, we must condemn bad behaviour.
Conclude, Sen. Murkomen.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I believe and share the sentiments of the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leaders. This is a House that has presidential candidates, two of them from Ford Kenya. From the whispers around this House, we have so many other ambitious presidential candidates for 2032 and beyond. I assure the nation that the Senators who are gathered here today are only armed with their brains to convince their colleagues on the position they believe in and they do not need the police. In fact, when I walked in, I told the police that it was not necessary for them to be within the precincts of Parliament because the Senators are all about issues and they will use their brains to convince each other.
Order, Members. It is one hour since we began. Do you really wish to proceed along these lines? I will allow the last two Senators; Sen. Mong’are and Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. On the issue of barricading Parliament, I request that you direct that the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations, under the experienced Sen. Yusuf Haji, to take action. You should order the removal of the barricades so that Parliament can have its own supremacy to exercise its mandate.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
What is it Sen. Omar?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to talk to the same issue and add my voice in this regard.
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Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is a concept of ‘securitization’ of democracy where pseudo-democracy is exercised in a situation or atmosphere of fear. I want to join hands with Sen. Wetangula who has called on the fact that for us to have a Parliament or a Senate that is barricaded by police officers as we debate is injurious to the perception of democracy in this House. It makes it appear that the Jubilee side, or any other side that is attached to the State, is being readied for a confrontation. Sen. Wetangula sent me a message at 7.53 a.m. saying that Parliament had been barricaded. I thought in a military sense that Sen. Wetangula is under siege or, as Sen. Murkomen would call it, sieke.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
What is it, Sen. Murkomen?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, is it in order for Sen. Hassan to attribute a term that is well known to Sen. Gideon Moi to me? Could he have possibly confused me with Sen. Gideon Moi?
Proceed, Sen. Hassan. You have one more minute to go.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, the last time there was a siege in this country, a man from Sen. Murkomen’s backyard called the siege, sieke. I actually believed that it is a dialect from that area; I did not believe it was a grammatical error or a typo. I believed Sen. Murkomen would call a siege, sieke. To clarify what the deputy party leader of Ford Kenya has told me, Ford Kenya has only one presidential candidate. Therefore, anybody else saying he is a presidential candidate is not in that party and he must take the necessary legislative role to move out of the party and seek that ambition elsewhere. I ask that---
Order, Sen. Omar! You cannot make such a substantive argument on democracy and, at the same time, you do not want parties to exercise internal democracy.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, Ford Kenya has already exercised internal democracy and already nominated its presidential candidate. However, the candidate did not present himself then, as the Ford Kenya presidential candidate. The wheels of democracy are self-sustaining and propelling. Therefore, as we---
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We know very well that Sen. Hassan Omar is the Secretary General of Wiper Party. Is he in order to give us a lecture on Ford Kenya when we know that it has two factions? Yesterday, when the other candidate declared his interests for the presidency, he indicated that he knew that he would be fought. This is the start of the fight, just one day after the declaration. Could he The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. Hassan Omar, restrict yourself to what is before us.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, absolutely! I will not delve further into that point. It is just to pity Sen. Sang who misguided himself on account of what he has read or insinuated. On this salient point, when the tools of State coercion are littered all over Parliament, it sends an extremely negative signal. If the National Assembly is meeting, let them do it. For the sake of this Senate, let there be no police presence. Senators are friends irrespective of whether they are adversaries in their political terms. It is wrong and immoral for the police to barricade the road to Parliament. This is a Parliament in a democratic order and we are not about to reverse it. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support what the Senate Minority Leader suggested; that we adjourn until the police removes the barricade so that people can see that we are in an atmosphere of democracy. Democracy is not only practised but should be seen to be practised.
What message are you sending when I see images of police barricade? Why do police need to be in Parliament? Mr. Speaker, Sir, can you order that so that we come back? Kenya is not about to be a police state.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you heard the Senators speak; it is surprising that we are displaying characteristics of a state that has failed.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is not the Kenya we are in. We have few places that the police should be right now. Along the Kerio Valley, we have problems. Cattle rustling has become a menace for about three months now. These giant machines that have blocked the roads to Parliament should be taken there and any other places like Kenya- Somalia border today. We need these machines there. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is neither good at the Senate nor elsewhere. We were elected by the people to represent them; the most honourable people are here. You can imagine that we shall start fighting like chicken in the market. We cannot! Lastly, the nation is watching us. The world is also staring at the machines that are outside Parliament Buildings. They are wondering what has happened to Kenya. If you read history, during the time of the late President Jomo Kenyatta-even during tough times- police were not brought right to the doorstep of the legislator’s route. During the 24 years when President Moi was in power, it never happened. The 10 years of President Kibaki, it never happened. Who is this other one that is giving out instructions to belittle the Head of State? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Mr. Speaker, Sir, this being a House of record, is the Senator for West Pokot County in order to mislead Kenyans that there have not been intrusions on parliamentary privilege before when we know that Members of Parliament have been arrested inside this Parliament Buildings? So, let us be sober. Which one is worse? Is it a barricade or an arrest of a Member of Parliament? Let us state facts as they are and condemn what we must condemn but not to distort history.
Order, Members! We have been on this for about one and a quarter hours. It must come to an end. On the police matter, I want to confirm that my instructions were clear that we do not need any police presence.
This morning when I came and I saw the police, I called the Cabinet Secretary in charge of security matters. The confusion might be on the basis of parliamentary precincts and where the police could be. Definitely, they are not within the parliamentary precincts but outside.
Order, Members! You asked me to rule. You cannot hear the ruling. I am directing the police that we do not need them.
And we adjourn!
We will not adjourn because we have business to carry out. We are already here and nobody has been denied the access. Secondly, even if the police came, they will facilitate the Members to access the Building rather than objecting them.
So, if there were attempts to prevent any Member of the Senate from accessing Parliament - to come and carry out a duty that he or she has been called to come and perform - that is wrong as stated by Sen. Orengo from the Parliamentary Powers and Privileges Act and the constitutional provisions that he quoted. It is actually the Speaker who should ask the police to assist. We have not sought assistance from the police. There The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Point of Order!
It is overruled. We need to make progress. I see Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o is about to be consumed. I have no intention to allow him to be consumed. What is it that is burning you, Professor?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me raise two issues on the basis of your ruling. One is the principle of separation of powers between Parliament, the Executive and other Government organs. Secondly, Sen. Orengo and Sen. Wetangula read part of the Article 118 of the Constitution. I want to read it in full and draw your attention to my point.
If Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. can give me time, I will be very grateful. Please, listen to me. Article 118(1) of the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya says:- “Parliament shall— The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order, Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o! You are being repetitive. Sen. Orengo read the same Article.
No, Mr. Speaker, Sir. They did not finish the whole Article. Let me just read on record, if you allow me.
order, Senator!
Let me read Article 118(2).
Just one only.
Article 118(2) says:- “Parliament may not exclude the public, or any media, from any sitting unless in exceptional circumstances the relevant Speaker has determined that there are justifiable reasons for the exclusion.” Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have excluded the public and the media who are usually in the Public Gallery from this sitting. Should somebody go to court after we have held this sitting and declare it was unconstitutional, how would you defend yourself, based on this principle of the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya? We must be very open and transparent to each other. We are holding an unconstitutional sitting of the Senate. If somebody goes to court and declares this sitting a nullity, we have no defence.
With due respect to Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o, Sen. Orengo had already given a better treatise to those provisions and I acknowledged it. You do not need to read because everybody can read for himself here. More importantly, no Member of the public will be denied. I have directed before and I can even do so now that already the Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights is eager, willing and ready to prosecute this business when it shall be committed to him if you do so. There are also people out there who are interested in coming to the Committee. So, they will be allowed.
Order, Members! Let us proceed. I have two messages from the National Assembly to read.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Senate, as we say, is a House of records. The record is extremely stubborn. Sometimes we must also not appear to renege on every undertakings that this Senate has taken upon itself. Just before we proceeded for the recess, I recall, in the most casual and arbitrary manner, the National Assembly torpedoed the regulations that would have led to the establishment of the Senate Oversight Fund. We came to this Senate and the Senate Majority Leader, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki, led the charge and even asked that we suspend all business from the National Assembly until and unless we determine conclusively matters around that fund. So, what you have just done is to renege totally on the commitments that we took as the Senate to determine and consider and dispense of business from the National Assembly. So, all these business that is listed here today is business from the National Assembly. My view is that we finish the business that is listed a Senate Bills and the National Assembly Bills and business be suspended until and unless we make a determination on the oversight fund.
We must live by the tenets upon which we agree on. The Senate cannot be ridiculed. Do not convene us on a Special Sitting when we have just worked so hard to destroy this Senate. No Senator here can do any oversight or business for the last four years. Constantly you convene us in December holidays. Some of us have young families and we suspend our itinerary to be here to defend the country and ourselves from ridicule. I urge you at this point in time for us to exercise an input that the business of that oversight fund be a matter for consideration. No Senator will be able to operate – not in this or the next Senate – if the oversight fund is not made available to all Senators. Therefore, we should adjourn this business today on the commitment we made last before we went on recess. If you recall very well, we suspended very many businesses---
Order Senator!
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Why are you rushing?
We are not rushing because we have a lot of business which we must conclude today; because this is the day gazetted for that business. Just to highlight the two messages I read, I thank Sen. Hassan for reminding us of some of our own utterances and that is true. Records are stubborn and so we are on record but on that particular matter, Members can remind the Senate Majority Leader to make that suggestion because he has not negated it. You did not follow the proceedings of the National Assembly when they met last. We gave the names and they have also given the names for a joint committee to resolve the matter as provided for in the Standing Orders. So, that matter is on course and alive and it should not be an issue. That is the position now. Whether they amend or not, it is a legitimate process which we must accept. Secondly, one of the messages is about a Bill for a matter affecting counties. We have argued that this is a legitimate business of the Senate and that is what they have done it. The second Bill is actually our own Bill which is the County Assembly Services Bill. So, that is business that must also come back to us. So, under the circumstances, all is well. Let us proceed.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you very much. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Wednesday, 28th December, 2016:- The Commission of Revenue Allocation Recommendations to the Senate on Recurrent Expenditure Ceilings for County Assemblies and Executives for the Financial Year 2017/2018. I thank you.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Just a few minutes ago, you made a ruling and assured the country that these proceedings will be open to the country in keeping with the provision of the Constitution which was quoted by Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o. However, we are now getting feedback that these proceedings are no longer live. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, we will check on it. Let us have the Chair of the Committee on Land and Natural Resources. REPORT ON THE JOINT SITTING ON THE VETTING OF NOMINEES FOR THE APPOINTMENT TO THE NATIONAL CLIMATE COUNCIL
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to lay on the Table of this House the Report on the Joint Sitting of Senate Standing Committee on Land and Natural Resources and the National Assembly Departmental Committee on Environment and Natural Resources on the Vetting of Nominees for the Appointment to the National Climate Council. I thank you.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, pursuant to Section 7 of the Climate Change Act, 2016, Section 8(1) of the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act, 2011 and Senate Standing Order No.65, the Senate adopts the Report of the Joint Sitting of the Senate Standing Committee on Land and Natural Resources and the National Assembly Departmental Committee on Environment and Natural Resources on the Vetting of Nominees for the Appointment to the National Climate Council laid on the Table of the Senate on Wednesday, 28th December, 2016, and approves the recommendation of the Committee as follows:- (1) Approves the nomination of Mr. Suresh Patel and Mr. John Kioli for appointment to the National Climate Change Council. (2) Rejects the nomination of Ms. Cynthia Wachabe and Dr. Jane Mutheu for appointment to the National Climate Change Council. (3) Recommends that the appointing authority submits nominees of the female gender to represent the marginalised communities and Commission for University Education as prescribed by the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act.
Next Order. EXTENSION OF THE MANDATE OF SESSIONAL COMMITTEES UNTIL THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE FIFTH SESSION
(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order, Members. Before the next order, I propose that we deal with the votes first. So, we will do the business from Orders No.8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14. What is it, Sen. Haji?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to inform the House that the police have been removed from where they were. Therefore, you will not expect me to make any other report because they have been removed.
What is it, Sen. Wetangula?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, we thank the distinguished Senator for Garissa for what he has said. However, you directed him and his Committee not to remove the police but to investigate and report to the House the circumstances under which the police were brought to cordon off Parliament. So, that onus cannot be discharged by the police moving away. How did they come in the first place? That is what the Chair directed the Chairperson of the Committee to investigate. I urge my brother, Sen. Haji, whom I know has nothing to do with what has happened out there, to relax, call the Committee, investigate, call all those concerned and bring a report.
What is it, Sen. Njoroge?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In addition to what you had directed the Chairperson of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations, would it be fair enough for him also to investigate and find out who ordered the police to withdraw from where they have been since morning?
What is it, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have no reason why I would doubt the Chairperson. If it is true, then, we really must thank you because you have just confirmed that this Senate is not an extension of the Executive. As I thank you, I would also like to ask the Executive to also be in charge of the various departments that are in the Government. I would be scared to imagine that it would be the President who ordered the police to cordon off this Parliament. If it is true that Gen. Nkaissery was doing it unilaterally ---
Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! This matter has been resolved. Why do we flog a dead horse?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted to make a statement at a man called Nkaissery.
Order! First, it is not right for you to conclude on matters that we have already resolved. We have asked the Chairperson of the Committee to deal with the other issues that you are attempting to interrogate now prematurely. My The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order, hon. Senators. We are now at Order No.9, the County Statistics Bill (Senate Bill No.11 of 2016). Let us commence voting.
We are now at Order No. 10, the Treaty making and Ratification (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.5 of 2016)
Hon. Members, we will vary our procedure a bit because Order No.14 is a constitutional Order. This requires a variation of the procedure during voting. In order to do so, I will announce the results of the divisions that we have taken so far.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Order! Why would you not approach me? You do not have to make everything in Plenary. We are still voting.
Which Order will it affect?
Order No.11.
Order No.11 is gone. We have done 12 and 13.
Order! You will not enter a shouting match with the Chair. Let us proceed. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Hon. Senators, I wish to announce the results as follows:-
Hon. Senators, I wish to announce the results as follows:-
Hon. Senators, I wish to announce the results as follows:-
Hon. Senators, I wish to announce the results as follows:-
Hon. Senators, I wish to announce the results as follows:-
Hon. Senators, I wish to announce the results as follows:-
Order, Members. I bring your attention to Standing Order No.76 on Roll Call Voting. We will open the doors, the bars and allow the Division Bell to ring for 30 seconds. We will take a roll call of the numbers first. This is for purposes of Order No.14. Order, Members. Let the Doors be closed and Bars drawn.
Order, Senators, I, therefore, wish to put the question for Order No.14. You may start voting now.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
You can approach the Chair.
No, Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a point of order on the voting.
I have guided you to approach the Chair.
Hon. Ethuro): Order Sen. Murkomen, your point of order is not allowed. I will now proceed to announce the results.
Sen. Njoroge
Sen. M. Kajwang
The results of the Roll Call vote are as follows:-
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. My brother, Sen. Khaniri, is a stickler of procedure. Standing Order No. 77 (5) says:- “When called out, each Senator shall, there upon rise in his or her place and declare assent or dissent to the question in the following manner: “I vote Yes
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise under Standing Order No. 75. It is obvious that some Members were confused on what to vote for. In that case, I demand that the voting is repeated immediately.
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Standing Order No. 77 is very clear. Each one of us should sit down and when called upon they stand and state whether they vote “Yes”, “No” or “Abstain”. Did you realize that the Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Khaniri and some other Senators were seated when we started voting? They never voted “Yes”, “No” or “Abstain.” They just kept walking to the toilet and coming back. Is that not a violation of the Standing Orders? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a sad day that we have lost this vote. I support the Speaker’s ruling that gave us time to talk to our colleagues so that the Bill is not lost in toto but gets a chance as the Speaker ruled. We may not repeat it now with the current atmosphere in the House. I thank the Speaker for using that window and giving the Bill another chance. We, the lady legislators, will talk to our colleagues who have not understood the provisions within the Bill. I believe when it is brought back, it will pass. Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir, for that opportunity.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for your direction. You should have mentioned that there is a case pending in court on this matter before we proceed to vote. However, that is not my issue. There is a pending constitutional Bill that has been omitted from the Order Paper today. I do not know the wisdom behind it because it concerns counties more than anything else. That is the one on the Equalisation Fund. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Senate has spoken loudly about this issue. The national Government is already distributing what they call projects under the Equalisation Fund because we have never bothered to pronounce ourselves. In your directions, can you order the next time the Bill is before the House for a Division, we should pronounce ourselves. Thank you.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank and laud you for confirming that this Bill will be given another opportunity. Please do it. As you extend that olive branch, let the Mover of the Bill rise to the occasion and ensure that the Bill is palatable. The only problem is that, it is providing that the nominated Members be re-nominated twice. The Members who have not voted against are worried that we are shortchanging thousands of women out there who would like to be given an opportunity to be nominated. Why would somebody want to benefit from nomination always?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I agree and support your decision that this matter should be brought up again for a re-vote. Is it in order that where there are issues to be straightened, amendments are made before the final decision is made? I do not know whether under these circumstances amendments can be entertained.
Order Members. We need to break. First, I agree to the suggestion by Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. that, indeed, the matter on the Equalisation Fund is pending and we will definitely bring it up the next time we are meeting. On the one raised by Sen. Hassan on Standing Order No.77(5); you must also look at Standing Order No.80(1) and (2) about decorum during division. “No Senator shall be obliged to vote in a division, but those present and not voting shall either – (a) in case of an electronic vote, press the “Abstain” button; or (b) in the case of a roll call vote, record their abstention with the Clerk. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order, Members! The Senate stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.20 p.m. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate