Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government the following Question by Private Notice.

(a) Could the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government explain under which circumstances the lease of land reference number LR 11802 belonging to B2 Yatta Ranching Co-operative Society Limited was cancelled by the Kitui County Council?

(b)What measures is he taking to ensure that the land (LR 11802) is not illegally acquired?

(c)What steps is the Ministry also taking to ensure that persons who have illegally invaded Katoteni Ranch (LR 12010) are evicted?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply.

(a) The council, through her Education Housing Social Services Special Committee meeting held on 20th March, 2009, vide minute number 12,2009 as adopted by the special full council meeting held on the same day under minute 6,2009, resolved to terminate the said lease for non-compliance with special conditions given by the council and a notice of termination was issued to the ranch vide the council letter reference number C19814 dated 5th June, 2009. The lease to the land reference number LR 11802

Mr. Speaker, Sir, first, I would like to thank the Assistant Minister for that answer. However, the answer is not satisfactory. I want to point out to the Assistant Minister that he is actually misleading the House. Is he in order to mislead the House because he is saying that the lease has not been terminated yet I have a letter from the Clerk, Kitui County Council dated 30th June, 2009 terminating the lease? It is here and I lay it on the Table of the House.

Secondly, on the issue of Katoteni Ranch, he is saying that he cannot discuss this matter yet his Ministry has written to the Kitui County Council and given them authority to go ahead and sub-divide the land. Is he in order to mislead this House? I lay the papers on the Table of the House.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the letter that I have here is dated 15th June, 2009. I just want to confirm if it is the same letter. This letter is reference number: Termination of Lease LR 1102. If you look at the contents of the letter, it gives notice in which compliance is meant to be done and once it is done the termination is not effected. So, there are conditions that have been put in place. Those conditions are special and require the land to be kept fenced and secured and a minimum number of livestock to be kept. There are other conditions which include paying of annual rent of Kshs528,000.

Mr. Assistant Minister, I find all these letters authentic in the sense that they are all dated and duly signed. So, you will have to peruse them and if the hon. Member has further supplementary questions then you should be prepared to respond to them.

Most obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Anybody else interested?

Mr. Nyamai, apparently it is your baby and nobody else is interested. Carry on!

Thank you, Mr. Speaker for you observation. Indeed this is my baby because it is likely to turn out to be the “Mau Forest” of the larger Ukambani. The Assistant Minister has also indicated that he cannot evict the squatters who are on that land. As it is now more squatters are still getting into the land. So, what is the Ministry doing to ensure that there are no more squatters getting into this land because it is causing a lot of conflict? People have lost lives and women have been raped as the squatters fight.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I indicated earlier, the hearing starts on 6th October, 2009. What we can do is ensure that our enforcement officers within the council will ensure that no more squatters get into the land. I undertake to ensure that.

Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Minister of State for Defence, the following Question by Private Notice. (a) Could the Minister confirm that Sudanese soldiers are currently occupying parts of Kenya territory and could he explain the circumstances under which they recently stopped the Minister for Immigration and Registration of Persons from accessing the Kenyan border with Sudan? (b) What urgent measures is he taking to ensure that the Sudanese soldiers vacate Nadapal border point which is one kilometre into Kenyan territory?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you can see, this is a cross-cutting Question involving not only the Ministry of State for Defence but also other Ministries; the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Office of the President and Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security. Therefore, I have already discussed with the Questioner. I am seeking the indulgence of the House to answer this Question on Tuesday next week as we are continuing with some consultations with the Ministries I have mentioned.

Tuesday next week?

Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Dr. Eseli, what is your response?

It is okay, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Then it is so directed that the Question will be on the Order Paper on Tuesday next week.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Minister for Transport the following Question by Private Notice. (a) What caused the breakdown of the pilot boat at the Port of Mombasa on Monday 27th July, 2009, that resulted in the failure of ships to berth? (b) Could he state the number of vessels that delayed berthing because of the failure? (c) How much revenue has the Government lost as a result of the failure? (d) What measures has the Kenya Ports Authority (KPA) taken to ensure that all the pilot boats are serviceable at all times and that similar incidents do not recur?

Minister for Transport not here? We will leave that Question in abeyance and revert to it a little later on.

asked the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security:- (a) the circumstances under which a security officer shot and injured a 78- year old woman, Mrs. Nomugien Lololemu, at Archer’s Post Trading Centre on 6th June. 2009; and, (b) the identity of the officer responsible for the shooting and whether the officer has been arrested for the crime.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply. (a) On 6th June, 2009, at about 5.00 p.m. a joint security operation with a team from Eastern Province was taking place around Shaba National Game Reserve when they were ambushed by bandits armed with sophisticated weapons forcing the security team to engage in a fierce shoot out with the bandits. It was during this shoot out that a woman by the name Nomugien Lololemu, who was within the vicinity, was hit by a stray bullet. Police officers were also injured with one succumbing to the injuries sustained through the bullet. (b) Preliminary investigations by the police indicate that AP Corporal Joseph Mutuku, the deceased officer would have been the one who shot and injured Nomugien Lololemu.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is really interesting and laughable because this woman was shot at Archer’s Post. The security operation was being carried out in Shaba National Reserve in Isiolo District, which is over 30 kilometres from Archers Post. How could a stray bullet, 30 kilometres away hit a woman in Archer’s Post? Secondly---

One question at a time!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have been having these kind of problems within Samburu on a weekly basis. Maybe the hon. Questioner is talking of another occasion but for this particular one, the shootout was next to the game reserve where the lady was also herding cattle.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Order, Mr. Letimalo!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have checked with the people on the ground, my police officers, and they mentioned that the lady was within the vicinity of the bandits versus the police officers. That is the information I have from the ground.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the Assistant Minister to mislead this House and say that the 78-year old lady was herding cattle at such late hours whereas she was in Archer’s Post Trading Centre? Is he in order?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the report on the ground is that the lady was at the vicinity where the bandits were exchanging fire with the police officers. That is what is on the ground!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, a 78-year-old would not be herding cattle. Maybe she would be fishing. Secondly, the lady was shot at Archer’s Post, 30 kilometres away from where the animals were. Is he telling us that this lady was part of the group that shot at the police? Was she part of the banditry? That is very important for us.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you can recall that I mentioned that it was a stray bullet. If there was contradicting information like the one they want to portray, they would have given me evidence that the shootout was at Archer’s Post as opposed to next to the game reserve. Unfortunately, they do not have any evidence to show that it was at Archers Post. But I have evidence that it was at the vicinity of the game reserve. So, the report which I am having – the Government report – is that there was a shootout by the bandits next to the game reserve and, unfortunately, there was a stray bullet which caught up with this old lady.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a very sad incident that has taken place in that area. Emanating from that shooting, I would ask the Assistant Minister to tell the House which humanitarian assistance the Ministry has accorded to the critically injured woman.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is a very good question. When the Government is asked for any humanitarian aid, we are willing to give it and I will be in the forefront to allow any kind of aid to this particular lady.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, considering that the Assistant Minister is admitting that the old lady was hit by the police--- I do not think it is possible for a dead person because he is going to say that it is Corporal Mutuku, who was himself killed, who could have shot that woman. Now that he has admitted, is he going to compensate her? Is the Government going to compensate that woman because she has been shot by the Government forces?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have said two things: One, preliminary investigations show that the stray bullet came from the deceased. I have also said that if there is any request made by the family members for any humanitarian aid, I am willing to give that aid.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Assistant Minister seems to imply that where the Government does wrong, then they should wait to assist on humanitarian grounds. I think under the Government Proceedings Act, it is upon the Government to compensate the victims and not to be asked to compensate.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thought Mr. Olago was a lawyer. If you need to compensate anybody, it is the court which will determine the amount of money to be given or anything else which needs to be given and not the Minister.

Mr. Waititu not here? The Question is dropped!

Mr. Bahari not here? The Question’s dropped!

Ms. Karua not here?

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I asked a Question earlier on and the Minister was not here to answer---

Order, Mr. Chanzu! I directed that we would return to the Question a little later on. The session is not yet over

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am just referring to what you have said about these two Questions here. The Questioners are not here and you are dropping the Questions!

Yes, that is the discretion of the Chair and it is in accordance with the Standing Orders!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, but what are you doing to the Minister who was absent when I asked the Question?

Order, Mr. Chanzu! Next Question, Ms. Karua. She is not here so the Question is dropped! We want to go back to Question by Mr. Chanzu!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not have a written answer. However, I beg to ask the Minister for Transport, the following Question by Private Notice. (a) What caused the breakdown of the pilot boat at the port of Mombasa on Monday 27th July, 2009, that resulted in the failure of ships to berth? (b) Could he state the number of vessels that delayed berthing because of the failure? (c) How much revenue has the Government lost as a result of the failure? (d) What measures has the Kenya Ports Authority (KPA) taken to ensure that all the pilot boats are serviceable at all times and that similar incidents do not recur?

Where is the Minister for Transport?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I undertake to inform the Minister to answer this question by Wednesday afternoon.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am referring to the Questions that have been dropped. I wanted to raise one issue that could help the House---

Order, Mr. Mungatana!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, most of us---

Order, Mr. Mungatana! The procedure that this House adopts and the practice that we have used is that you attend to a matter and raise issues pertaining to that matter at the point where the business is being transacted and not long after we have moved to another area. I am afraid you cannot. Mr. Chanzu’s Question will be deferred to Tuesday next week. The aspect of what happens to the Minister, I will deal with tomorrow.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker Sir. The Assistant Minister, Ministry of State for Defence, Mr. Musila, has laid on the Table a document setting out details of the recruitment from National Youth Service volunteers, which I wish to interrogate. The question was not exhausted last week.

Fair enough but the Question will have to appear on the Order Paper before you can interrogate it further. So I will direct that that Question---

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I seek your indulgence to comment on this matter while I am on this side of the House. The Question was exhausted. It was finished, it was not deferred. The only requirement the chair gave to me was to lay the list on the Table, which I have already done. So, the HANSARD will prove me right that the Question was exhausted. It was not deferred.

Fair enough. That is a valid observation but the Chair will require time to ascertain the factual position from the HANSARD and give appropriate directions on Tuesday next week.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I really admire Dr. Machage’s clothing this afternoon. Is it in order or is it the tradition of this House?

Where is he?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, that attire is reasonably African and authentic.

Dr. Machage, could you kindly be upstanding so that the House is able to see how you are dressed?

Yes, you may resume your seat.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker!

Hon. Members, I am satisfied that Dr. Machage is properly dressed. Indeed, that is in accordance with the ruling that I made earlier on. The impression I have, hon. Members, and I am entitled to this opinion is that Dr Machage is dressed in a Kaunda suit that is long-sleeved and it accords with the earlier ruling that I have made on this matter.

Order, Mr. Olago! I know you are an interested party but the circumstances are different. Hon Members at the Bar may want to step in.

( Several hon. Members entered

Hon. Members, you may recall that on Wednesday 29th July, 2009, the Chair delivered a ruling on the failure by Mr. Ojode to honour an undertaking he had earlier made to the House to release reports of certain commissions of inquiry. Ms. Karua thereafter sought the guidance of the Chair on the ruling claiming that there was an apparent contradiction between that ruling and an earlier ruling made by the Chair on an undertaking by the then Minister for Finance in relation to the Privatization Act, 2005. In the Privatization Act matter, the Minister for Finance gave an undertaking to the House that he would gazette the commencement date of the Act. When he defaulted, the Chair, in enforcing the undertaking, ruled that the Minister would not be permitted to transact any business in the House until he had discharged the undertaking. Hon. Members, in a communication from the Chair on 12th September, 2007, the Chair indicated that this House had granted the Minister for Finance the power to set a

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Last week, at the request of hon. Thuo, I gave an undertaking that I will be addressing the issue of road safety today. I have consulted with hon. Thuo and we have agreed that, because the drought crisis is so crucial, I will deal with that issue next week.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to make a Statement today on the emergency interventions that the Government will carry out to overcome the serious water, food and power crisis. We, as a Government, will act rapidly and decisively in mobilizing all arms of the Government.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 22nd July, 2009, I alerted this House and the nation at large about the threat of food, energy and water insecurity. Those challenges are so immense that the Government implores all hon. Members and fellow citizens who are fortunate enough to be spared the extreme hardship, to join us in this cause. I also appeal to the

We will allow the hon. Member for North Horr the first bite at the cherry because he had raised this matter previously as a Question.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the Prime Minister for addressing this critical problem facing over 10 million Kenyans in northern Kenya and other parts of the country affected by the calamity.

A cardinal rule for any drought emergency or humanitarian intervention is to do the right thing at the right time. It is also being effective, efficient and flexible. These interventions, as good as they might be or are, will come too late since they will be implemented by Government Ministries and machineries. As a result our animals will die as our people continue to suffer. Could the Prime Minister assure this House and Kenyans that this programme will be implemented effectively within one week’s time, if not less, so that Kenyans who are suffering are assisted accordingly?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also thank the Prime Minister for selecting northern Kenya, that is, Marsabit and Moyale for the launch of this programme. As a Member of Parliament from that larger region, I appreciate and thank him.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like the Prime Minister to clarify whether he has left out Kajiado or not? This is because the herders have driven their animals all the way to Thika. What criterion was used to leave Kajiado out of this programme? The Maasai are all over Central Province.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In ordinary insecurity, we rely on our soldiers to secure our borders, cities and towns. However, in food insecurity, we rely on our farmers. Last year, this House passed a Motion that the AFC loans owed by farmers should be written-off so that because of the post-election violence, farmers could be empowered to produce more. In view of the double tragedy; that is the post-election violence experienced last year and drought and famine being experienced this year, what has the Government done to implement that Motion to ensure that the AFC loans are written-off? This will empower farmers to produce more and ensure there is national food security in this nation.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, while I appreciate the Prime Minister’s response, I am wondering why he has left out Taita Taveta District where all the Maasai and Somali cows converge at one borehole. Right now, there is a human conflict in the area. We do not want to see the Taita killing the Maasai and the Somali. Could the Prime Minister do something about it?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is not the first time we are having drought in this country. We have had long spells of drought. After long droughts, we know that we will have long rains. What has the Government done to make sure that

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Prime Minister has omitted districts which are very critical, for example, Kajiado and Narok districts, in the list that he has just read. As I stand here, people have lost animals in thousands. That is an area I believe requires a lot of attention.

Mr. Prime Minister, you will make your responses depending on how you utilise the 11 minutes you have. After that, we can do another round of three.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Order, Mr. Affey! The Rt. Hon. Prime Minister, please respond?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Member for North Horr has said that the Government’s intervention is too late. Initially, we were expecting good rains, but since this is nature, we could not control it. The rains came too late hence our intervention this time. However, I assure hon. Members that the Government is determined to address this problem. That is why we have mobilized all the resources at our disposal. We will use the military, the National Youth Service (NYS) personnel and all other auxiliary forces that we have in this operation. As I have said, we will launch this operation on Monday, next week in Marsabit and Moyale. However, operations will simultaneously start on that day all over the country. As I am talking, the movement is on. As I have mentioned, already, the Ministry of State for Special Programmes has food in stores in most of those districts.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. Mwangi asked “Why Kajiado”, because Maasai are all over. We have got a committee of experts that has categorised these districts. I do not want the hon. Member to think that we have neglected other parts of the country. This is the categorisation. The very pink ones on that list are the 11, but there are others down there. Under the second category, we have got Makueni, Machakos, West Pokot, Moyale, Kajiado, Narok, Ijara, Baringo, Kwale, et cetera . In the second one, we have got Koibatek, Maragwa, Taita Taveta and Malindi. Then there is Mbeere, Tharaka, Meru North, Kilifi and Lamu. However, the first lot I have mentioned are the first 11, but we are not neglecting any part of the country. We are going to carry out operations in all these other districts as well. Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. Wamalwa has talked about the AFC loans. Yes, that issue has been raised. It is a matter that is still under consideration. I am not able, at this point in time, to give an undertaking that we are going to write off the AFC loans, but I know that the matter is under consideration by the Government. I think I have answered the question raised by Mr. Mwadeghu as well as that raised by Mr. ole Lankas. On hon. James Kamau’s question, yes, long-term solutions are required to this problem. That is why we have begun the process of re-introducing irrigation. As I have mentioned in my Statement, after next week, we are going to re-launch the irrigation scheme in Bura. We are also reviving Pekera, Mwea and Ahero irrigation schemes. We are also going to start new irrigation schemes in the country. So, that is the long-term solution. The other one is also to conserve our environment. I addressed that matter extensively last week.

Hon. Members, we will do another round of five. We will begin with Amb. Affey.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Prime Minister for his Statement, and also remind him that Wajir District, which he might have left out in his assessment, is a critical district for consideration. My question is on the aspect of the Kenya Meat Commission (KMC), about which the Prime Minister has said that they are going to supplement transport costs, yet the animals are too weak to travel from the northern Kenya all the way to Athi River. Why do they not consider doing the off-take on the ground, purchase the livestock and use them as food aid, instead of transporting it all the way to Athi River. It will be useless to transport it. By the time it reaches Athi River, it will be dead.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Prime Minister went into a lot of detail as far as the schemes that they intend to carry out are concerned. When it came to the financing of the same, there was a very vague brief statement about where the money will be found.

Yes, and how much!

The amount was Kshs24 billion. I think the Prime Minister talked of contingency, reallocations here and there and, maybe, some Budget cuts. The effectiveness of this programme will actually depend on its implementation and the implementation will depend on the availability of resources. What I got from the Prime Minister, I do not think the Government seems to have firm plans as to where these resources are actually going to come from. If that is the case, the likely thing is to go the route that the Government normally goes when they have no resources – it borrows. When that happens, it has got its own consequences. We may be trying to tackle an emergency, which is a genuine emergency, but in the process, we might be creating a bigger emergency that will have overall economic growth implications.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is not the first time we have been promised that the Government is going to have elaborate strategies to deal with this serious issue of drought. I hope that this time round, they will walk the talk. My main item is actually on the livestock off-take through the KMC. Hon. Prime Minster, this has not been very useful. You allocated Kshs500 million last time, but I do not really understand where it went. My first advice would be to channel these funds through the Ministry of State for the Development of Northern Kenya and Other Arid Lands, and the Arid Lands Resource Management Project that is based in all those districts. I am sure that will be more effective.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Prime Minister for the elaborate intervention. I would want the Prime Minister to clarify why the Government finds it wise to give out free energy-saving bulbs, while in actual sense it is possible for any ordinary person to go and buy energy-saving bulbs. In any case, the bulbs have a finite life. Who will replace them after they burn out?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the people of Wundanyi, through their Member of Parliament, for hosting a lot of members of the Maasai community in their constituency. Indeed, I would like to thank the people of Tanzania and the people of Central Province, because we cannot afford to host the Maasai community in Nairobi.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Prime Minister for his Statement. In his Statement, he said that the Ministry of Agriculture is going to distribute seeds and fertilizer to drought-stricken areas. What is the point of distributing seeds and fertilizer to drought-stricken areas, instead of distributing the same to areas that are not drought-stricken like Kinangop, so that we can produce and feed the drought-stricken areas? Also, I would have expected to hear from the Prime Minister in respect of trees like blue gum, which have caused drought; there should be a Government decision to uproot them immediately.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as a suggestion and request to the Government, is it possible to release CDF funds for the current financial year by the end of this month, so that much of these funds can be used in labour intensive works, including construction of roads and water pans?

Finally, Dr. Khalwale!

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We, at the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), Mr. Prime Minister, are interested to know about the issue of energy saving bulbs; how much they are going to cost the Government, what was the tendering process and who won the tender.

Fair enough! The Rt. Hon. Prime Minister, you may respond.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Mr. Letimalo?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is a clarification I wish to seek.

Order! Order, Mr. Letimalo!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, to answer the question raised by Dr. Khalwale, which is also the same question asked by the Member of Parliament for Rangwe, we will distribute energy-saving bulbs free of charge, because they are part of carbon trading. Therefore, we have paid nothing for them. That is why we are actually passing over the benefit to the consumer. On the release of CDF funds, there is no reason that cannot be done immediately.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. Affey asked about the reason we want to transport the livestock to KMC instead of slaughtering them on site. There are some animals which are so emaciated and cannot endure the trip to the KMC. Those ones will be slaughtered on site. We are only subsidizing the transport for those other animals which are strong enough to be transported to the KMC slaughterhouse in Athi River.

Mr. Abdirahman complained that the KMC system did not work so efficiently and suggested that we use the Ministry of State for Development of Northern Kenya and Other Arid Lands instead. The Ministry of State for Development of Northern Kenya and other Arid Lands does not have slaughterhouses. In the end, these animals must end up at the processing facility which is only available at the KMC. We have learnt from experience, last time that there were problems and we are trying to plug those loopholes, so that this system works more efficiently.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I thank the Prime Minister for his very good response. When I raised the issue of money being channeled to the KMC, I said that has not been very useful. When it is channeled to the Arid Lands Resource Management Project or the Ministry of State for Development of Northern Kenya and Other Arid Lands, livestock can be purchased directly from farmers or pastoralists. They can in turn hand over to the KMC for processing either for local consumption or even outside. So, I wanted the Prime Minister to somehow address the issue of disbursement because there has been no clear way of dealing with this matter.

Where does the point of order arise from the response of the Prime Minister? From the statement you have made, what is out of order?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Prime Minister has not understood our bone of contention. Is he in order not to---

Order, Mr. Abdirahman! The only way you could feel aggrieved is if the Prime Minister has not answered your question. If he has answered and your opinion is different, then it becomes a matter of argument.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not intend to argue, but my question has not been addressed adequately.

Has it been answered or not?

Is has been answered, but not adequately.

If it has been answered, then that is not a valid point of order.

What is it Mr. Ngugi?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Prime Minister answered my second question about blue gums. However, he has not answered my other question about giving fertilizers and seeds to drought stricken areas instead of to areas that can grow food and feed these other areas.

Fair enough! I agree that the Rt. Hon. Prime Minister has not answered that part. Even then, you should have asked just one question.

Prime Minister, proceed now that it has been asked.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are distributing fertilizers all over the country. I also mentioned that we are also giving fertilizers to drought stricken areas. We believe that it will rain in those areas. That is the reason we need to distribute seeds there, as much as we also distribute seeds to areas where there have been rains in the past. I think it would be unfair to condemn those areas just because it did not rain there this year.

To satisfy Mr. Abdirahman, the Ministry of State for Development of Northern Kenya and Other Arid Lands does not have the manpower. The Ministry of Livestock Development is also involved. We are trying to tighten the loopholes that were there, so that this time round, the system works more efficiently.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I raised the issue of the energy saving bulbs and how much that project will cost. While answering, the Prime Minister has told us about the carbon points exchange. I have no problem with that. Could he tell us how much they will cost and also tell hon. Members how we earned the carbon points given that Kenya hardly has any green forest worth speaking about? How many points do we have today?

Order, Rt. Hon. Prime Minister! If that question was asked previously and you did not respond to it, then you may respond. If it was not asked previously, I want to hear what your reaction is before I give direction.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, that question was not asked previously. The question was how much it cost us and who won the tender. I know the usual Kenyan thing that somebody has eaten somewhere. No, we were given for free. Carbon trading is a very involving issue. I do not think we have got the time to go into it right now.

What is it Dr. Nuh? If it is not a point of order, then I am afraid we have come to the end of this Statement.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We still have some genuine concerns that we want the Prime Minister to respond to. We beg your indulgence.

We have some rules that we live within. We did indicate that under normal circumstances, and there is a ruling on this, clarifications sought from the Rt. Hon. Prime Minister when he issues a Statement will be five. We did the first five clarifications. I exercised discretion and opened the floor for a further five clarifications. That is much more than we can do at any given time. I am afraid, Mr. Letimalo we must live within the rules.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Granted that this is an emergency and a lot of circulars and everything will be rolled out in terms of implementation; given that a lot of hon. Members here have shown interest in seeking for clarifications, will I be in order to request the Prime Minister to convene a meeting of Members of Parliament, so that they can ask as many questions as possible in order to improve the effectiveness of the implementations? The previous one of Kshs500 million and above, was a complete failure.

That is a reasonable proposal and request! Rt. Hon. Prime Minister, do you want to consider a Kamukunji at which hon. Members can fully ventilate?

Sure, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Certainly this is a very important subject and I know that hon. Members also have ideas which can help enrich Government policies and strategies on this matter. I am, therefore, willing to convene a

with Members sometimes next week.

Fair enough! That being the position, if the Rt. Hon. Prime Minister will liaise with the Speaker’s Office, we will grant a Speaker’s Kamukunji to address this matter.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The official business of this House is not transacted through Kamukunjis . Therefore, I would like to seek the indulgence of the Chair that since it is now quite obvious that this matter requires more time, instead of going to a Kamukunji which is not binding in any way, you rule that the matter be deferred so that we pursue it again next week to the satisfaction of the interest of Kenyans.

Order, Dr. Khalwale! You know it; the Chair certainly cannot do that. This matter has been interrogated, in my opinion, adequately! Going by our practice established and, indeed, in consonance with our procedures, I am afraid we have granted it adequate time in so far as Statements are concerned. However, there is a way of reopening this matter if you comply with the Standing Orders. There are provisions that you can invoke and this matter can be revisited in a different form, but still in this House. That should rest the matter! Next Order!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT, the Speaker do now leave the Chair.

Hon. Members, note that we will have to continue the business of the House until 9.41 p.m. Mr. Minister, please, proceed!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as envisaged in Kenya’s Vision 2030, under the economic pillar, manufacturing is one of the key sectors of the economy or economic development of this country that is expected to play a very key role in moving this country forward and making it a prosperous country.

Order! Hon. Henry Kosgey, I know that you did not have the full view of your surroundings as you moved your Vote. But it is noticeable that officers from your Ministry are missing. It is the practice of the House and, indeed, the norm that when any vote is being moved, the officers from that Government department ought to be present to take notes on the concerns of hon. Members. Before you officers arrive, if they will arrive at all, confirm to the House that you will take full notes henceforth.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, they may be lost. I will check to make sure that they are here within the course of the debate.

In the meantime, will you confirm that you will take full notes?

Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Very well, you may now proceed!

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to second this Motion on the Vote of the Ministry of Industrialization.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Ministry is key for this Government to attain the Vision 2030 being a middle income economy. I believe that we fine track to do exactly the same. The Minister said that their request was for Kshs14 billion, but they managed to get only Kshs2.8 billion. This notwithstanding, I believe that this Ministry stands in a key position to implement the programmes already in place. For purpose of record and in terms of learning from other jurisdictions, India is actually where it is today because she embraced

Mr. Okemo!

Mr. Wetangula, I am afraid, it will have to be the Chair of the Committee first.

Sorry, Mr. Wetangula, you will have your time!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to take this opportunity to introduce hon. Shakeel, a Member of our Committee who we have nominated to present the Committee’s report on our behalf. Hon. Shakeel will present the report on behalf of the department Committee on Finance, Planning and Trade.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have the honour of presenting the report for the Ministry of Industrialization. The mandate of the Ministry is to provide a policy framework and an enabling environment for industrialization in Kenya by formulating and implementing industrial policies and strategies. That is very crucial to this discussion.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Minister has just said that out of the Ministry’s proposed budget of Kshs14.6 billion, only Kshs2.8 billion has been allocated to it. This is the case and yet this Ministry is crucial and critical in spurring industrial growth in this country. The strategic objective of this Ministry is to stimulate industrial technological activities that will enhance product value. In addition, it is to diversify product competitiveness in this country and create an enabling environment.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, one of the key areas that were to be funded by this allocation was the implementation of the national industrial policies which we do not have. Another area was the promotion of a strong public/private sector partnership. The other area was the promotion of development and growth and graduation from micro to small and medium-term enterprises. Mr. Omingo has said that in India and China, they started with the Jua Kali industry, moved to small cottage industries and now they have moved into mini industries. However, we are stuck in the Jua Kali industry. It is the mandate of the Ministry of Industrialization to move the Jua Kali industry to the mini industry.

The Ministry was also to enhance collaborative research, development and linkage to industrial production. There seems to be a disconnection here. The Ministry was also to enhance facilitation of industrial standards, promotion, innovation and protection of intellectual and property rights. This is going on. It was also to promote the creation of industrial linkages, collaboration mechanisms and attraction of foreign and local industrial investments.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, looking at the figure given to this Ministry, one would inevitably think that it is too small. Again, we have to understand that the envelope from which it is drawn is equally small. So, we can only get from what we have and we must operate within our capacity. As I support this Motion, I want just to say a few things. The Ministry of Industrialization is very critical in the development and evolution of the economic development and well-being of this country or any country for that matter.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, this is a Ministry whose mandate includes formulating industrialization policy. It is cross-cutting and it will touch many other Ministries. I hope and believe that in their operations, this Ministry will develop sufficient capacity to influence the thinking, planning and the operations of key Ministries that are critical to industrialization. To industrialize today, one does not need to invent anything. Indeed, as late-comers to this industrialization programme, we have the easiest of things. We are not going to invent the lead machine, the wheel, the concrete mixers or anything. The technology is there and is available. We can get it and use it to industrialize our country. What one expects this Ministry to do is to agitate and create an enabling environment for industrialization. We know the challenges that this country faces including the current drought and shortage of energy. But we know that there are countries that have industrialized even in deserts. So, we must formulate policy on how this country can have enough land for industries to be built. If you come to this country and go to any town even in the little towns in the villages, there is no single one which you can be given a half an acre of land to build any industry of any sort even a small assembly for bicycles. I think this Ministry in its quest to achieve its goals, must influence the Ministry of Lands to compulsorily acquire land as it is required under the Constitution, to set aside for industrialization.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the other issue is energy. This Ministry must influence the thinking and direction of the Ministry of Energy to make sure that we have adequate energy in the country.

The other issue is water. You cannot industrialize without water.

Time up!

Time up! I was just at the preliminary stage of my speech but I beg to support.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, no country in the history of the world has ever prospered economically without

Time up!

With those few remarks, I support.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this chance to support the Vote of the Ministry of Industrialization. This is a very key Ministry and it is really disappointing to note that they were allocated a meager budget of Kshs2.48 billion. However, I think this Ministry has started on the right footing. In the 18 months that they have been there, when the Minister was moving, he told us that they have already established a national industries relations policy. Without a policy you cannot guide things and now that they have a policy that will guide the industrialization of this country, I think they are on the right footing. We are also happy to note that this Ministry already has a master plan and a strategic plan. So, overall, they seem to be going somewhere. The Minister also told us that they are in the process of starting funding schemes for research and hat they are also going to have constituency industrialization centers, one per constituency. However, this equity may not be the best thing for this country: That, if one constituency has an industrialization center, another one must have the same. We must look at where we can maximize our resources and not just to distribute them equally.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I was happy to hear that this Ministry, in its master plan, is considering informal sector as a key component and particularly the value addition. This Ministry should not think that industries can only be manufacturing. Industries can also be agro. In the scheme that we have for African Growth Opportunity Act (AGOA), this Ministry can play a very effective and critical role if they link up the value addition with the AGOA scheme. That will help this country achieve some milestones.

Having said that, I want to talk about two flagships of this Ministry; one is the Kenya Industrial Research Development Institute (KIRDI). We should be doing a lot of research. May be, it has done research for the period it has been in existence and put it into the shelves. It has not come to the open how KIRDI can justify its existence for all the period and how it has helped this country to move forward. We would want to see much more from this flagship. The other main flagship for this Ministry is the Numerical Machines Complex (NMC). Sometimes in the past, the NMC was one of the best workshops. East and south of Africa, up to the north; there was only other workshop in Libya that could compete with the NMC and yet, there is nothing to show for it. All you hear out there is mismanagement, employment of relatives, sacking of staff and allocations of the land that used to belong to the NMC, yet if this flagship of this Ministry is used properly, this country can save a lot of money on the spares that it imports into this country. This is a complex that would be able to produce, maybe, half of the industrial spares that this country needs. That way, it would save this country a lot of money. I was disappointed to hear that they were allocated only Kshs50 million. I wonder what you can do with Kshs50 million. This flagship must look for ways of generating its own money, not only

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I stand to support the Motion and I want to join my colleagues in appreciating the work that the Ministry of Industrialization is doing for this country. However, when you enter any supermarket or any shop in this country, 99 per cent of the goods that you find in those shops are imported, yet we have been having the Ministry of Industry or by whatever name, Trade and Industry, since Independence. I think we have lost track somewhere. I think it is high time that the Ministry goes back to the drawing board. I recall during those days, we had the Kenya Industrial Estates (KIE). Those industrial estates were molded in a fashion that we were to grow industrial entrepreneurs to eventually become industrialists. But regrettably as is the case with many of our institutions, the KIE died. Therefore, how do we expect to industrialize this country when we do not have a base where we train young entrepreneurs to become industrialists so that they can make industries? No wonder all our industries today in this country are owned by foreigners and the indigenous people have no capacity to make industries because the Government and the Ministry have from the beginning, failed to develop industries through the KIE. Therefore, I call upon the Minister to look into this area and see whether he can restart the KIE. Some buildings still exist and perhaps he can expand it. The spokesman of the Committee lamented about the J ua Kali . I agree with him that it is high time we developed something else; gave a better name because people tend to look down upon goods that are manufactured by the informal sector. For anything that is bad, people say that is Jua Kali . How do we expect to develop an industry through a system where people do not have confidence in the goods that are manufactured? So, let us move from Jua Kali, I agree with the Chair, and develop something else that people are going to have confidence in, so that they buy these goods. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, every day, we hear of substandard goods and fake goods being offloaded from ships from the Far East. This has played a major role in killing the local industry. I do not think enough is being done to stop those goods from entering our Kenyan market. Walk in the streets and you will see many uncustomed goods, some fake goods. We must know as Kenyans that for every imported good that we purchase, we are putting some foreigner somewhere in another foreign country to work and misplacing our people. Why is that so? Our shoe industry, for example, which is as old as this country, Bata Limuru, has been unable to grow and wherever you go, you find cheap shoes from Korea being sold all over. Where do they pass through and yet they cannot last? Why are consumers not protected? Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to applaud Kenya Bureau of Standards (KEBS) for coming up with a new method to standardize goods. But it is one thing to standardize goods and another to enforce those standards. Therefore, I call upon Kenyans to support KEBS. I call upon the Government to have confidence in KEBS and support it in its quest to standardize goods and enforce the standards. The KEBS should

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion. But I want to add my voice to those who have spoken before me to make a statement that, in my opinion, that Ministry is one of the most important Ministries in this country. The allocation that they were given, in my opinion - and I believe it has been said by many hon. Members in this House – is not sufficient to take this country from where we are to the level of an industrialized nation. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I support the Motion, but I believe that the Ministry can help this country by decentralizing the locations of industries through a policy formulation. For example, if they put in place policies that will restrict investors--- For example, those who want to invest in fish processing should be compelled to locate their industries near the source. Those that are wishing to process fruits, for example, should be compelled to go to Eastern Province and so on. That way, we can open up the country through that Ministry and create jobs in every province. That will also help to decongest our cities. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Ministry should also consider tax rebates for companies that already exist. That will encourage investments and make Kenya a preferred destination for investors. We have, in the recent past, experienced many company closures, especially those that are located within the Export Processing Zones (EPZs) of Athi River and Kasarani. About 70 per cent of those companies have closed down, thus, rendering many youths and those who depended on those companies jobless. That has created many other problems. The Ministry should also become more vigilant by supervising existing companies. We do not want investors coming into this country to establish businesses and to offer employment - which is a very good thing – but, at the same time, exploit Kenyans by underpaying them and forcing them to work for long hours, which is not stipulated in our laws. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I also request the Minister to put in place, policies that would ensure a reduction of production costs. Kenya is losing many investors to our neighboring countries. Of course, I know it is not within their mandate to control things like the cost of electricity, but I believe that they can put in place policies that will ensure that we become more competitive. I would also encourage the restructuring of the Jua Kali sector. For a long time, it has remained static. It is high time that the Ministry put in place policies and structures that will upgrade the Jua Kali sector into light industries. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, every country has got structures and policies that encourage entrepreneurs, especially those with very innovative skills. They are financed to access markets. They are supported and funded by the Government not just to compete nationally, but regionally and internationally. In supporting the business entrepreneurs, I would encourage the Ministry to pay more attention to our youth. The youth is emerging at such a force that if not well absorbed through the Ministries such as this, we are going to experience an explosion. The Ministry should also come up with similar policies to ensure that companies also absorb women. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, with those few remarks, I beg to support.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. What I find most amazing is that almost all the raw materials that are required by industries in the world come from Africa and, yet, here in Africa, we are completely unable to industrialize. That is truly amazing! It is pathetic! I would like to tell the Minister so. If he wanted Kshs14 billion, how did he accept Kshs3 billion? How? What do you want Kshs3 billion for? You will not be able to do anything with that! Honestly, you should simply say: “Look, close the Ministry and we all go home”, rather than saying: “That is a useful thing!” That is because you are not going to do anything useful! If, as a country, we do not understand the meaning of industrialization--- From ancient times, industries have been the ones that make countries flourish. If we cannot accept that industrialization is the key to our success then, honestly, we have no business! Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, everybody is talking about agriculture, but all the other countries that have progressed do not rely on agriculture. We are so well placed strategically, right at the shores of Indian Ocean. Everything that goes up and down passes through our shores. We are giving away everything that we are doing. The other day, you heard that we are giving away the whole of--- Is it the titanium at the Coast? We have iron ore, coal and everything that there is here! But, really, what does the Ministry of Industrialization want to tell us? Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am going to support their miserable Kshs3 billion because, perhaps, they need to have it so that they can have something to do but, honestly, it is really not worth the effort. We are not serious as a country! We go round in circles. Every day, we are talking about Mau, Hague and everything else. But the very serious things which matter to us like putting food on our table, employing our people and providing preventive care and medicine; we do not talk about them! Look at the Chamber now! This is the survival of Kenya and yet, hon. Members do not seem to think so! They will come here when they hear about the Hague. They will come here when they hear about something else. But the very thing that makes the difference is of no concern to us!

It is really shameful! It is truly shameful! But I can appeal, and I will appeal that, at least, with the monies we give to the constituencies through the Constituency Development Fund (CDF), perhaps, let us start looking at how we can start cottage industries the way other countries have done. That will be a beginning. I want to urge the Minister not to feel too sad about that. Do what you can with what you have. Let them do what they can with what they have. Let them organise a workshop for Members of Parliament and tell them to set aside, maybe, two or three per cent of their allocation for the small industries which make a difference at home. I am talking about the welders who make windows and the small things that we need at home. Every constituency needs these products. We should start there because Rome was not built in a day. Let the Minister not despair. He should tell His Excellency the President and the Government that he is terribly disappointed with what they have allocated him. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to support the Motion.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I am a very saddened woman today as I stand here to contribute to this Motion. I feel disappointed because we do not have the technocrats here to take notes on our concerns.

They are here!

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, they were not here when the Minister was moving the Motion. It is unfortunate that they were not here and yet this is a very important Ministry. It is also a key Ministry which can transform the whole country. The Asian Tigers have defeated us because of industries. Because of that, we must get the right people at the right place at the right time. If we can discuss a budget of this Ministry with a view of approving it and yet the Ministry officials are not here, it means that they are undermining the budgetary process of this House. We will not accept officers who do not take their responsibilities seriously.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, having said that, as Parliament, we have the capacity--- We respect the checks and balances that exist between the Executive and the Legislature. We will not accept officers who believe that because they were appointed by the Executive, they should not attend such a session. We have power to change those laws. I would like to send a message to all appointees to public offices to take their work seriously. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, industries are very important and that is why I am here to contribute to this Vote. It is not right for us to underfund the Ministry. If we fund this Ministry properly, we will have many industries and all our unemployed youths will access employment opportunities. They will also be able to serve this country well and this country will get the services that it requires. We do not need to export goods like matchboxes. This is wrong. We should have industries that are functional and can address our needs locally.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, as you know, it is the industries that produce the goods that we require in our country. Therefore, we must think outside the box. For many years, the Ministry officials have only been thinking about the traditional way of doing things. We must be creative and compare ourselves with countries we were at par with during Independence. The economy of this country was growing very fast at Independence, but we got stuck somewhere. This is the case and yet we do not think about alternative ways of doing things. We are not proactive. I know that the Minister is capable, is committed to his work and has the heart for this country. I urge him to go out there and look for alternative resources of money so that he can accomplish his goals.

Finally, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, we should start from the grassroots. Each Member of Parliament should address small issues that affect his or her constituency. For example, Dujis produces a lot of tomatoes. However, a kilo of tomatoes costs Kshs2 at that place. That is wrong. We should have the cottage industry to facilitate small farmers in our constituencies. If that is done, the tomatoes in Dujis will be harvested and sold at good prices. As a result, farmers will gain from their investment.

I beg to support the Motion.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I also rise to make my contribution on this very important Ministry. I would like to start my contribution by saying that it is important to note that industries in every country must have a starting point. The problem in Kenya and more so in Africa, is that we seem to want to run for the new technology being imported into our country. For example, an item is introduced to us

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this very important Vote. If you look at the industrialization process in this nation, you will realise that it has been messed up. It is important that we look at the management style that we inherited since 1963. Look at the Asian factories or industries. They are strong and vibrant and they create employment for our people. Look at the factories that were taken over by Africans on the eve of the Africanization programme which were introduced by the Founding Father of this nation, for example, the Uplands Bacon Factory in Lari Constituency which I represent. This is a factory that employed very many people. It created a vibrant key industry but after it was taken over by our own people, it collapsed. Consequently, it was mysteriously sold. Look at the way we have managed the Kenya Meat Commission (KMC). Look at the way we have managed Halal Meat Company. Management is a key process that we need to look into.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the other issue is creating innovative environment for industries to thrive in this nation. If you looked at the way Kenya Commercial Bank (KCB)--- Equity Bank and Nakumatt Supermarket have already moved away from this country, because the conditions provided by the Government are not favourable to proper management of our industries. We should contain the exodus of industrialists. The food that we import from Tanzania and Uganda is grown by Kenyans, who have moved away from this country because the terms and conditions in this country are not really good. Today, we have noticed that workers are likely to be sacked. The

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this Motion. I rise to support it. I wanted to appeal to hon. Members, and the country at large, that we have been given encouragement to use whatever little we have. A number of things are happening today that we must bring to the attention of everybody. As a country, the incentives that we have already put on the table for business are not being used to the extent that we would like them to be used. I will give an example. Today, if you are investing Kshs1 million, or more in Kenya, the incentive that this august House has put on the table is that we will give you an investment certificate, so that you can be given 100 per cent investment allowance. Last year, we had about 190 customers who told us that they were investing up Kshs190 billion. Surely, these are only the large companies that are coming forward to take advantage of our incentives. I would like to urge Members of Parliament, as the leaders in this country, to encourage everybody in every corner of this country to ensure that they take advantage of these incentives. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, we, as a Government, spend a lot of time trying to create markets in the region. That is why we spend a lot of time in the

Hon. Minister, you can now respond.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. From the outset, I would like to thank hon. Members for their contribution and support of this very important Vote and for the sentiments they have expressed, particularly noting that we requested quite a bit of money, but we got very little. As I said at the beginning, we are all competing for the resources that are available in the Government. It is even being made worse by the prevailing drought, water and energy shortages.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Mr. Shakeel did mention quite a few things, but I will not answer them all. I want to talk about what he said about the Jua Kali sector.

Your time is up!

I can see my time is up. With those few remarks, I beg to move.

Hon. Members, we shall now move to Vote 06 – Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 2030.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to second this very important Vote for the Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 2030.

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I want to start by really congratulating the Minister for being the first Minister since we started discussing Estimates to come and give us an account of how his Budget was utilized in the previous financial year. He also demonstrated to us that the money that he is being allocated will actually be utilized. If you look at the statistics he has given us to indicate the absorption capacity that is the ability of the Ministry to spend the money that is given to them; these are very impressive figures. He talked of about 98 per cent for Recurrent and about 85 per cent for Development. That means the Ministry is serious and focused. I think they are able to utilise the funds that are allocated to them. We spent very useful moment with the Minister and his technical team. We want through the entire Budget. I will not go into the details of figures, but there are a few issues that I would like to raise for the attention of the House. The first one is to recognise the fact that the Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 is one of the key Ministries in the Government of Kenya. It should be treated as such. In any Government, I rightly agree with Dr. Mwiria, if you do not have proper plans, if these plans are not properly conceptualized, prepared and implemented, then anything to do with economic development is a pipe dream. Therefore, to enable this Ministry to prepare proper plans which can be relied upon by the Government to implement development policies, then they must be adequately funded. It is very worrying to see for example that Vision 2030, that the Ministry requested for Kshs750 million and received only Kshs129 million. Surely, could the Government be serious about Vision 2030? How will the Vision 2030 Commission implement Vision 2030 if it has been allocated less than 20 per cent? It is a very insignificant amount of money that has been provided for. I think the Ministry

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I would also like to join my colleague, Mr. Okemo, in congratulating the Minister for a good job. I hold him highly, as far as Ministers are concerned, in this Ministry.

Development policies of Kenya are driven by the objective of 2030. Our key objective, from what I have read from Vision 2030, is to accelerate the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth to ten per cent. This is a rather ambitious plan but attainable in this Ministry because of the ability to plan the way forward for our country.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I would also like to join my colleague, Mr. Okemo in talking about the CDF. In northern Kenya and my colleague, Mr. Chachu, will attest to this--- I was elected in 2006 and since then, the CDF funds have transformed Laisamis Constituency which I represent. I can say that between 55 per cent to 70 per cent of people now have clean water. I think we will do much better with proper planning and increased CDF allocations.

There is also the issue of the percentages allocated to different sectors in the CDF. Education is allocated between 0 and 15 per cent across the board, in spite of how much the hon. Member would like to use. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, we have told our children to go to school. What we have told the Minister is to give different constituencies their specific needs. For me, my students can go to school if they have enough bursary. Only 50 per cent of the students in my constituency get bursary funds because we do not have enough allocation. So, we request for 20 per cent to 30 per cent, depending on the needs of the constituency. We would also like the Minister to look at the potential and proper planning of northern Kenya. In my constituency we have strong winds that could provide between 30 and 40 per cent of this country’s power. Fortunately, through the Ministry of Planning, National Planning and Vision 2030 and the Ministry of Finance, we have secured

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I wish to support this Vote by first wishing the Ministry all the best as they set the programme in finalizing the national census which will be very important to planning and putting resource allocation systems in an equitable and accessible manner. We want to raise justified issues that need to be considered by this Ministry as a way of instigating or putting a system that can fast-track the Vision 2030, of which they are also in charge. First is the need to have an open Cabinet week in this country so that in every quarter we do have a Cabinet week where Ministries amplify their needs and challenges that they have faced in that quarter. This can be interactive to allow the public to engage the respective Ministries and also bring very clear targets that have been put in place so that the public can move with us. The system of performance contracting and performance appraisals is actually owned by our people. This would be very important. Second, is this flagship project; the preparation for them to have an investable stage, to have clarity and affirm the position that can easily be accessed and the details that can even be consumed by stakeholders and investors, both local and international that they want to engage. That would be very important. The third one is to have a reward system for the achievers in this country. That is the people who make small radios that we read of in the media. The scholars who are putting very good thesis on sectoral development matters that can be celebrated. There is no system to merit and celebrate our achievers in the Public Service. In the police force, for example, those who are doing exceptional things that can actually motivate and inspire the country and can also show that there is need for people to be committed and educated in very unique ways. The fourth issue is the need for the Ministry to instigate a system that can re- invent or re-engineer the bureaucracy. The doers are very important. We may have the best programmes and best targets but unless we re-invent the bureaucracy so that the doers are competitive and acceptable, like in the private sector, where there is a system of

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I stand to support the Vote for the Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030. In supporting this Motion, I would like to state at the outset that I have a lot of regard for the Minister. He is a very hardworking Minister and is result-oriented. When you bring very critical development issues to his Ministry, he will give no excuses but will always strive for tangible results, however difficult that problem might be. That commendation, for sure, goes to the technocrats in his Ministry.

This is a very important Ministry playing a very strategic role in facilitating and co-coordinating development plans of this nation. It is a Ministry that should provide leadership in terms of preparing national strategic plans, whether that is Vision 2030, medium-term plans or economic recovery strategic papers. We should also not forget

Your time is up!

With those few remarks, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to support.

Proceed, Mr. Nyamweya!

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. We have been told that not having a plan is also a plan. But to have a plan which we do not follow is also the same thing. Now, I want to support the Vote for this Ministry but, honestly, today---

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. You realize that hon. Nyamweya is addressing the House from the Dispatch Box, contrary to the Standing Orders.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I can always--- I hope it will not take my time!

All right, hon. Nyamweya! Go on!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I was saying, that is also not having a very good plan!

But, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the point that I really want to make - and I made it a little earlier on when we were debating the previous Ministry’s Vote - the two Ministries that we are doing today are actually the most important Ministries in the Government. If you look at the Chamber - and, in fact, even the CDF is the responsibility of this Ministry - where are the hon. Members of Parliament? Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to urge the Minister to put a proposal to the Cabinet that hon. Members be removed from managing CDF because, surely, that is basic sense. There is the Legislature, the Executive and the Judiciary. The role of Parliament is to legislate and oversee the functions of the Executive. So, really, we have no business managing funds ourselves! Really, we have no business managing the funds because our job is to check what the Ministries do.

Secondly, in a couple of weeks, the national census will be conducted. What can be more important to a country than to take stock of its population? The country needs to know how many people it has. It also needs to know its assets. How can Members of Parliament not be interested in this Ministry’s Vote? How will they have their

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this very critical vote. I also want to join my colleagues in congratulating the Minister and his team for a job well done. What they have done in the Ministry is commendable. I happen to be a Member of the relevant Departmental Committee and they presented an elaborate plan for this country. However, I would like to comment on two or three areas. The first one is about planning reports. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the usage of planning reports, particularly by the Ministry of Finance, as earlier stated by our Chairman, hon. Okemo, is very important. I have in mind plans that had been prepared, but which have not been taken into account. In the Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 2030, there are plans and reports issued by KIPPRA, which the Ministry of Finance ignores year in, year out. It is time that this disconnect was eliminated, so that as the Ministry of Finance allocates funds, it consults very closely with the Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 20230 for accelerated development in this country. The other aspect is that of stalled projects. Projects appraisals are prepared and submitted, but projects continue stalling for years on end. For example, I have one project that has stalled in my constituency of Baringo Central since 1987; this is Baringo Technical College. The project was funded through this Ministry, in conjunction with the

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to the Motion on the Votes of these two Ministries. I want to start with the Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 2030. The hon. Members who spoke before me have already talked of the importance of this Ministry. This cannot be over emphasised. There is a common saying that if you fail to plan, you plan to fail. Therefore, as one hon. Member said, if you do these plans and you do not follow them up, then it is as good as you do not have any plans at all.

I want to go to specifics. Every five years, this Ministry issues out a national development plan. Due to that, this should be the lead Ministry in terms of what they have now borrowed in the Civil Service, that is performance contracting. I wonder

Your time is up.

With those few remarks, I beg to support.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I take this opportunity to join my colleagues to make a few remarks on this Motion. First, I would like to thank the Minister for the good job that he has continuously done in the Ministry. I will also not forget the role played by the Assistant Minister and the Permanent Secretary in that Ministry. That spirit that they have exhibited must be maintained.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also stand to support this Vote of the Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 2030, which is very critical. We all agree that planning is very crucial. Planning runs through all other Ministries, and proper planning is what we are talking about. I want to start by saying that there used to be what we used to call District Focus for Rural Development Approach, which is the bottom-up approach. This takes us to the DDCs in the districts. I do not understand whether the DDCs in the districts are as effective as they used to be. The district is the centre for planning and these committees are very critical in planning. However, the way they are operating now is like the DDCs are no longer taken seriously. There is a gap. In certain areas, like the arid and semi arid lands, the DSGs, food security group meetings, seem to have taken over from the DDcs. So, I do not know whether the policy has changed because the DDCs are now supposed to be the fora for planning and that should be the case. So, I think the Minister should find out what is happening. The meetings are held at the whims of the DCs or the DDOs. They are no longer as co- ordinated as they used to be. The other issue I wanted to talk about is facilitation of the DDOs in the districts. This has been mentioned by my colleagues. However, I want to add that these are very important people in the districts. They are the secretariats for the DDCs. They move around to evaluate projects and they monitor projects. However, unless they are facilitated, we will end up with many stalled projects in the districts. There are so many stalled projects that date back many years ago. In fact, there is one project which I want to bring to the attention of the Minister; Lamu. This is directly under the Ministry of Planning, National Development and Vision 2030. The objective of the project was to come up with a district documentation center. A lot has been done up to the roofing level. A lot of money has been used there but up to now, that project is still stalled. These are some of the things that occur as a result of poor facilitation of the DDOs. The staffing levels in the DDO’s offices is very poor. You will find that it is only the DDO who is there. Some are lucky to have secretaries but others do not have. However, these men are expected to implement this noble work of coordinating development at the district level, which is the planning unit for the Ministry and other departments. These are some of the areas which should be looked into. Still on the DDCs, the DDCs recommend projects or programmes but they do not have legal capacity. This is where the problem is. They pass projects with the leaders, but it just becomes a recommendation. When these project proposals come to Ministry level, I think it is left to the discretion of the Ministry staff to take what they want. We cannot challenge their decision because the DDCs have no legal backing. So, it is high time that the DDCs were empowered legally just like the CDF is, so that they have legal capacity when they decide on projects.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the issue of the Kenya Institute of Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) has been mentioned. It has been budgeted for by the Ministry. If you look at other Ministries’ Budgets, you will see that KIPPRA is allocated money for research. So, one wonders, whether it is in order for KIPPRA to get money from most of the Ministries. This is an issue that should be looked into.

The other issue is that of community based projects. I do not know whether these projects are decided at the district or national level. Again, that takes us back to the

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to support this very important Vote.

From the outset, I would like to commend the Minister and his technocrats for the very important job they are doing for this country. This is a very important Ministry. We, as a country, need to ensure that proper funding is done, so that it can carry out its assigned responsibilities. There are several issues when you look at planning and national development. If this Ministry does not plan properly, then we will not attain development. As you realize, for the last 45 years of Independence, because of lack of proper planning, we, as a country, have failed. If we do not plan to succeed, then we are planning to fail. I think what has happened in the past is that we have been planning to fail. So, with this new vision of 2030, which is one of this Minsitry’s missions to be achieved, so that this country can be a medium developed nation, we need to support this Ministry.

I am not very sure whether the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics is fully operational to know where we are, at whatever level. The issue of monitoring is very important for a Ministry like this one. I am not sure whether there is capacity in these areas. We want the Minister to show leadership. First, we want him to show leadership in the area of stimulus package as mentioned by the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance in his Budget speech. We want that package to develop this country.

I want to challenge the Minister and his technocrats on the issue of the forthcoming census. I want them to tell me how they will account for people who are not in this country because of the current drought situation. It is high time they began to think of how they will account for these people. My people are in Tanzania. Unless they are properly enumerated, then this census will be meaningless as far as I am concerned.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Constituencies Development Fund (CDF) has brought tremendous and remarkable changes. We want the CDF, as we recommended, to be increased from 2.5 per cent to, at least, 5 per cent. This is very important because we have seen tangible development from the CDF package. The leadership, because the hon. Members are in charge, has shown that this can bring development to this nation. If the stimulus package can be channeled like the CDF, this country will move forward.

It is important that the monitoring unit of this Ministry goes down to see what the CDF money has done for this country. Then, the Minister will agree that this is a good way to go. So, the stimulus package should be channeled like the CDF.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the technocrats have a habit of staying in towns, especially Nairobi. They should move to the ground to see for themselves what this money does for this country. It is important that what we want to do to achieve Vision 2030 is in the plan of the Ministry. It should be like an objective to be achieved.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, with those few remarks, I beg to support the Motion.

Hon. Members, since there are no more Members who are willing to contribute, I will now call upon the Mover to reply.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Chairman, Sir, I beg to move:-_ THAT, a sum not exceeding Kshs1,287,485,000 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure during the year ending 30th June, 2010, in respect of:-

Vote 60 – Ministry of Industrialization

VOTE R60 – RECURRENT EXPENDITURE

SUB-VOTE 600 – GENERAL ADMINISTRATION AND PLANNING

SUB-VOTE 601 – KENYA INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH

SUB-VOTE 602 – INDUSTRIAL TRAINING SERVICES

SUB-VOTE 603– SMALL SCALE INDUSTRIES FIELD SERVICES

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am directed to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Resolution that a sum not exceeding Kshs10,331,267,590 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet expenditure during the year ending 30th June, 2010, in respect of Vote 06 – Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 and has approved the same without amendment.

(Mr. Kosgey) seconded.

Vote 60 – Ministry of Industrialization

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am directed to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Resolution that a sum not exceeding Kshs1,287,485,000 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet expenditure during the year ending 30th June, 2010, in respect of Vote 60 – Ministry of Industrialization and has approved the same without amendment.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution.

Hon. Members, we have come to the end of today’s sitting. Therefore, the House stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday 13th, August, 2009, at 2.30 p.m.

The House rose at 7.15 p.m.