Hon. Members, this being an Allotted Day and there being some statements, be cautioned that Question Time must end promptly by 3.30 p.m. So, we will not be taking very many supplementary questions.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. There is a bag next to me and I do not know its contents!

Just look on your left; I am sure you will get the answer.

Question by Dr. Otichilo!

asked the Minister for Lands:- (a) if he could provide maps showing legally gazetted boundaries between Emuhaya, Kisumu West and Kisumu Rural constituencies; and (b) if he could also clarify whether it is legal to demarcate boundaries using such structures as residential houses and state what justification the management of Maseno University had in constructing residential houses along the perceived boundary between Emuhaya and Kisumu Rural constituencies?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. If you notice, the Question the hon. Assistant Minister is about to reply touches on the boundary between Western Province and Nyanza Province at Maseno. That, for many years, has been the cause of tension between two communities living across those borders. The Question touches on Kisumu Town West, Kisumu Rural and Emuhaya constituencies. These are our common boundaries.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would request your indulgence that before this Question is answered, copies of the maps that the Assistant Minister intends to Table be given to me, hon. Anyang’-Nyong’o and Dr. Otichilo.

Order! You are anticipating. You do not even know whether any maps are being tabled or not.

Answer the Question, Mr. Assistant Minister! Mr. Olago, you are out of order!

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Emuhaya Constituency falls within the larger Vihiga District while Kisumu Rural and Kisumu West constituencies fall within the larger Kisumu District. I wish to table maps showing legally gazetted boundaries between Emuhaya, Kisumu West and Kisumu Rural constituencies. I have Kenya Parliamentary Constituency Maps and Kenya Administrative Boundary Map.

Secondly, I have agreed with the Questioner to go physically to Emuhaya on 3rd September to find lasting solution to this particular matter. This is because it is very difficult to deliberate on this matter which is so technical on the Floor of the House.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have agreed with the Assistant Minister to go on the ground so that we can look at the boundaries on the ground, using the maps. The answer as given by him is not satisfactory. We will not be able to come up with any amicable answer here until we go on the ground. We need his technical people to be on the ground, so that we can see the boundaries. His answer clearly shows that they are not sure whether the houses I am talking about are built on the boundary or not.

We have a market centre called Emabungo in Emuhaya, but we have had notices given by Kisumu Municipal Council saying that they should demolish the houses. So, we need to go on the ground.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the maps that I was talking about have now been tabled. I kindly request that copies be supplied to hon. Anyang’- Nyong’o, hon. Dr. Otichilo and I.

Secondly, in view of the emotions that this matter is likely to raise on the boundary, I kindly ask the Chair that the date for the visit be agreed between the three of us, not just with Dr. Otichilo only. I have not been able to talk to hon. Anyang’- Nyong’o because he is out of the country at the moment.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, in view of the controversy, I have no objection to sit with the three Members of Parliament to agree. But as far as the maps are concerned, any Member of Parliament can peruse them since they are now the property of the House. So, I do not have to bring some other maps. We can agree on the date of the visit. If the visit will be on 3rd of September or whatever, I have no objection.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, this Question has come severally. It also touches on the Ministry of Housing and the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government because of Berlin Wall effect; it is very sensitive. Would I be in order to suggest that apart from the Minister for Lands, we should also have the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government and Minister for Housing visiting the site.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will take up the matter with the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Local Government and the Minister for Housing to see if we can agree on a date next week. We want to resolve

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, it appears that there is somebody who is playing mischief. It is unusual to have boundaries between administrative units of Kenya being demarcated by solid walls. This is not normal practice. Would I be in order to request the Assistant Minister to involve the Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, those details we will need to sort out when we go to the ground.

In view of what the Assistant Minister says, I think you will make the necessary arrangements for the visit and thereafter, if necessary, the Questioner can request for the Question to be reinstated. Next Question!

asked the Minister for Roads:-

(a) if he is aware of the dilapidated state of the Eldoret-Kitale Road; and, (b) what the Government is doing to improve the road.

Minister for Roads! Deputy Leader of Government business!

The Minister for Roads is expected to be here. Maybe, he is delayed. If he is not here by the second round, then I undertake to make sure that this Question is answered as quickly as possible.

Mr. Wamalwa, what do you have to say to that?

That is fine with me, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Let us move on to the next Question by Member for Nyaribari Chache.

asked the Minister for Roads what has caused the delay in the construction of the Gesusu–Keumbu–Igare-Mogonga Road and when it will be completed.

Mr. Ojode, you are not holding brief for the Deputy Leader of Government Business!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, he is interfering actually! May I request that the hon. Member gives us a little time and if the Minister for Roads is not here by the time we come to the end of

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, that will be fine but I seek the indulgence of the Chair to---

Let us give the Minister a chance. He may still come. Let us move on to the next Question!

asked the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security:-

(a) what role one Mr. Ongoro played in the murder of Mr. Hesbon Ponge Kidera at Lower Kadongo Location, Kisumu West District on 14th March, 2010;

(b) why Administration Police who handled the initial reports of the murder and arson were partisan in favour of Mr. Ongoro and arrested only innocent persons; and

(c) what assurance he could give to the House that full and impartial investigation will be carried out.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply.

(a) Michael Foli Ongoro was initially arrested amongst other suspects for the offence of murder of the late Hesbon Ponge Kidera which took place on 13th March, 2010 at Lower Kadongo Location of Kisumu West District. However, after investigations, he was found not to have played any role in the crime and was subsequently released. The allegations raised against him were not supported by any evidence.

(b) The Administration Police officers were the first security officers to arrive at the scene of the murder. They guarded the scene until the Officer Commanding Station (OCS), Maseno, and other investigating officers arrived and took over the scene. There was no bias or partisanship while handling the case by either the APs or the investigating officers. The following suspects were arrested: Michael Foli Ongoro; Jacob Lima Aga; Andrew Ouma; Gladys Adoko Ogada; Kelvin Otieno; and Erik Michael Odongo. After carrying out investigations, all the suspects except Jacob Lima Aga were released for lack of evidence. There was sufficient evidence against Jacob Lima Aga and he was arraigned in court and charged with murder.

(c) Investigations have been carried out and as indicated, a suspect has been charged with the murder of the late Hesbon Ponge Kidera.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the initial suspect in the murder of Hesborn Ponge was Michael Foli Ongoro. He was arrested and then released. Could the Assistant Minister tell the House how long Foli Ongoro was kept in custody and on what grounds he was released?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the information I have is that during the investigations, the allegations that Michael Foli Ongoro was seen with the suspected murderers of the deceased could not be proved. There was no evidence which was presented to support the same. As a result of the murder, members of the

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, could the hon. Assistant Minister confirm that there was an ongoing dispute between Michael Foli Ongoro and the deceased? In the course of this dispute, Mr. Ongoro warned the deceased that within a few days, he would be no more. That was the basis of the anger by members of the public when he was released.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Assistant Minister is not aware of any bad blood between Mr. Ongoro and the deceased. If there is any evidence which can trigger another investigation, I am ready to have it. This is because murder is not a case you can just leave it like that. If there is any evidence linking Mr. Ongoro, I undertake to reopen the file and re-investigate this matter fully in order for the truth to come out.

Let us move on to the next Question by Ms. Karua.

Is Ms. Karua not here? Mr. Assistant Minister, were you ready to answer this Question?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am ready with the other two.

I will give Ms. Karua the benefit of another chance. Let us move on to the next Question by Mr. Lekuton.

asked the Minister for Labour and Human Resource Development:-

(a) whether he could state the targets the Government fixed for employment generation during 2008/2009 and 2009/2010 and indicate the level of achievement so far; and,

(b) what the Government’s future plans for employment creation are.

Is there anyone from the Ministry of Labour and Human Resource Development?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I seek your indulgence to find out where the Minister for Labour and Human Resource Development has vamoosed to. In the event that he does not show up, I will make sure that the Question is answered in the next available opportunity.

Is that okay with you, Mr. Lekuton?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is the fourth time---

Is it okay that we indulge him at the moment?

That is okay, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Let us move on to the next Question by Mr. Lagat.

asked the Minister for Wildlife and Forestry:-

(a) how much money has been voted for conservation of wetlands in the last five years;

(b) what clear conservation policy guidelines are in place to help in the conservation drive, given that failure to conserve these wetlands will cause increase in human/wildlife conflicts; and,

(c) what the Government is doing to reclaim wetlands that are now located on privately-owned land.

Is anyone here from the Ministry of Wildlife and Forestry?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, obviously, there is something wrong. It is not comfortable. However, I will do my best to make sure that Ministers are here as required.

asked the Minister of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030:- (a) why the Constituency Development Fund (CDF) Vote Book for Mutito Constituency has been retained in Kitui Central District Accounts office, yet the constituency has two districts (Mutito and Nzambani) of its own; and, (b) when the Vote Book will be taken to the District Accountants of either Nzambani or Mutito District.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply. (a) I am aware that Mutito and Nzambani districts were carved out of the larger Kitui District in June, 2009. The Vote Book for Mutito Constituency should, therefore, have been moved to one of the new districts from Kitui Central District Treasury. The District Treasury for the new two districts commenced operations in February, 2010 when the District Accountants reported on duty in these two stations. The delay in the transfer of the Vote Book has been occasioned by lack of minuted resolution of the Mutito Constituency Development Fund Committee as to where between the two districts they wish the Vote Book to be transferred to.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank the Assistant Minister for the good answer. Therefore, I do not have any further question.

Next Question by Mr. Musikari Kombo.

Is Mr. Kombo not here? I will do the second round now. I will start with Mr. Wamalwa’s Question.

asked the Minister for Roads:-

(a) if he is aware of the dilapidated state of the Eldoret – Kitale road; and,

(b) what the Government is doing to improve the road.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of all, I wish to apologize for not being here the first time the Question was asked.

However, I beg to reply.

(a) I am aware that the Eldoret-Kitale Road is in dire need of repair.

(b) I want to assure the hon. Member that I am committed to repairing the said road.

Indeed, I have already made a visit to the area and directed that the road be repaired. My Ministry, through the Kenya National Highways Authority (KNHA) has procured a contract for the repair of the said road at a cost of Kshs300 million, starting from Maili Tisa to Nangili Section and the contractor is already on site.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, could the Assistant Minister confirm when he visited this road because I used it last week and I did not see any contractor on site? The road is in a terrible state, yet it is a road that leads to the breadbasket of Kenya. Farmers are threatening to blockade this road and it is a situation that must be addressed immediately. Could the Assistant Minster confirm if the contractor is actually on site?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have divided the contract into two sections. The first section is Maili Tisa to Nangili, which is 20 kilometres. The other section is Nangili to Moi’s Bridge which is another 20 kilometres. The first section has already been awarded to a contractor by the name Laman Enterprises at a total sum of Kshs176 million. The contract was signed on 16th July, 2010, and the contractor was expected on site 14 days thereafter. Our engineers indicate that he is already on site mobilizing and we expect the work to commence immediately.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Assistant Minister has a habit of promising things that do not happen. In the previous financial year, he promised that the Turbo-Sikhendu-Endebes Road was going to be in this year’s

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to assure the hon. Member that maybe, what he is looking for is not what we mean by mobilization. Before the contractor will be seen patching, it will take some time because he has to acquire the site where he will store his machinery. The contract started on 16th July and is valid for a period of 12 months. As far as we are concerned as a Ministry, the contract is on course. So, it is not late and we have no reason to be worried.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, could the reason the contractor is not on site be that the Ministry has withdrawn what used to be a small percentage that they allocate to contractors to enable them move immediately to the site and then the rest of the money will come slowly? Could he also confirm if it is true that, in fact, the Ministry has withdrawn what used to be the practice to give a small percentage to allow contractors to move on site? If they have refused, what informed the change of policy to give money particularly to small contractors who would be able to start work immediately? What was the reasoning behind the change of that policy?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, first, I want to say that we have no problem with the contractor being on site. However, the procedure that was there previously, where a contractor was automatically given money to start the work was discouraged partly because we would give money and some of them would never get to start the work. So, it is our belief that when you tender for this work, you have the necessary capital for you to be able to work until such a time when you can be paid. But on a needful basis, we are able to consider the advance payment.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the truth of the matter is that there is no road and motorists have been forced to divert through the bush, which is a security risk. Could the Assistant Minister, at least, in the meantime assure that grading can be done to allow motorists access Eldoret and Kitale?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the scope of the works includes heavy patching, regulating and re-carpeting with asphaltic concretes. But in the meantime, as this is being done, we will be able to create good diversions that will be able to allow passage of the sections that are particularly very bad. But I want to assure this House that in another two weeks, the hon. Member will be thanking my Ministry.

asked the Minister for Roads what has caused the delay in the construction of the Gesusu–Keumbu –Igare-Mogonga Road and when it will be completed.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, once again, I wish to apologize for not being here to answer this Question the first time it was asked. However, I beg to reply.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the road under question falls in the same region with the Kisii-Kilgoris Road, which has the same weather conditions but the Kisii-Kilgoris Road is complete despite the rains. What was the initial contract sum? Considering that there is a lot of time that has now passed, what is the revised contract sum to date?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to correct the hon. Member that, I indicated that there were two reasons. One of them was the weather and the other one was cash flow related problems. However, the contract details he has requested are as follows:

The contractor is Kay Construction Company. The time of completion was 30 months and the contract sum is Kshs1,885,694,927. The commencement date was to be 24th March, 2008 and the completion date was 24th September, 2010. The time expired to date is 94 per cent and the works completed to date is about 60.81 per cent. The amount certified to date is 46.63 per cent and this is as per 30th June, 2010. I have indicated that the contractor has requested for extension of time and my Ministry is processing the request.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, could the Assistant Minister explain whether that extension means the Government paying more money to the contractor?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are various considerations; some of them technical and others financial, but we will have to review the whole contract before we can give a clear answer on this, also bearing in mind who is to blame for the delays.

Last question, Dr. Monda!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, while I thank the Assistant Minister for that answer, what was the scope of work for the road?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the scope of work involved:-

(a) Construction of the roads to bitumen standards. The classified roads are approximately 37.8 kilometres and are in Masaba, Kisii Central and Gucha districts in Nyanza Province. The roads are:-

(b) Gesusu-Nyabisasi Road, D208. The road is approximately 16.8 kilometres long. The road starts at C16, D208 junction and traverses through Kiamakama and Nyanturago centers, ending at D208 and D207 junction in Nyabisabo, which is 13 kilometres.

For the second time, Question No.018 by the Member for Gichugu! Is the Member not in? The Question is dropped!

asked the Minister for Wildlife and Forestry:- (a) how much money has been voted for conservation of wetlands in the last five years; (b) what clear conservation policy guidelines are in place to help in the conservation drive, given that failure to conserve those wetlands will cause an increase in human/wildlife conflicts; and, (c) what the Government is doing to reclaim wetlands that are now located on privately-owned land.

Where is the Minister for Wildlife and Forestry?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, he is still not here. I undertake to inform them to be available at the next available time.

In the mealtime, the usual rule applies. The Minister will not be permitted to conduct or transact any business before he goes to the Speaker’s office to give an explanation and have it approved.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is it in order to address Question No.277 to a non-existent Minister? Is there a Minister for Wildlife and Forestry? Is that in order?

Mr. Minister, you should have raised that issue before the Question was dealt with. Next Question. Mr. Musikari Kombo. For the second time, Mr. Musikari Kombo? He is not here. The Question is dropped.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise on a point of order to inquire from you the following: While I congratulate the Deputy Leader of Government Business for her job, is it enough for her to tell us the obvious; that the Minister is not here? Could she not have attempted to answer on behalf of the relevant Minister?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am very much aware of the Question and I have the answer here. However, I will not attempt to answer a Question which I will not give satisfactory response. I also believe that the Ministry responsible should be a given a second chance to come here and answer the Question satisfactorily. So, give me until next time.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Hon. Nanok, the Assistant Minister, is outside here. I have just left him there. So, can he come and answer the Question?

Order, Mr. Keter. You are out of order!

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. The frequent rate at which Ministers are not in the House to answer Questions is very alarming. I know that the Chair has enough powers. However, it appears that the Government has run out of ideas. My suggestion for the Government is the following: We should have multi-purpose Assistant Ministers who can answer all cross-cutting questions from all the Ministries to save the time of this House?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to inform you that Mr. Kombo is out on parliamentary business.

Order, Mr. Shakeel!

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. The House is letting a very important point to pass by. Hon. Michuki raised a point of order on a Question being asked to a non-existent Ministry. You must excuse me because I did not hear your reaction. The Question is actually addressed to a non- existent Ministry.

Order, Mr. Olago! Had you raised the issue when the Question was asked, the Chair would have ruled on it.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I think I asked the question and I already have an answer from Dr. Wekesa.

Order! If you have an answer, then you should be satisfied!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I still need an explanation from him.

You cannot get an explanation from a Minister who is absent! Next Order!

How many Statements do we have? We have two Statements. Deputy Leader of Government Business!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are two cases pending in court relating directly to the requested Statements. One is High Court Civil Case No.206 of 2010 at Milimani Court filed by West Kenya Sugar Company Limited versus Kenya Sugar Board on 1st April, 2010. Butali Sugar Mills Limited has sought that it be enjoined in this case. This case, I am informed, is set to be determined on 17th September, 2010. Secondly, Butali Sugar Mills Limited has filed a case in Kisumu High Court seeking an order to prohibit Kenya Sugar Board from interfering with the operations of its factory. This is Miscellaneous Civil Application No.17 of 2010. In the meantime, West Kenya Sugar Company Limited has sought leave to join the case and has been permitted to do so by the court. That case will be coming up for hearing on 27th September, 2010. In view of that, it would definitely be sub judice for me to issue a statement on the matter and also for the House to debate it.

You are absolutely right! Under those circumstances, you cannot issue any statements.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am the one who had sought the Statement the Minister is issuing. So, I request that the Chair allow me to comment on her response.

But the facts speak for themselves. She has cited the case number and when it is coming up for hearing. Under those circumstances, we cannot permit any debate on the issue.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is exactly why I would like to request you to allow me to comment on it.

But that is why we cannot comment because the matter is in court.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is because of the subject matter.

Order, Mr. Khalwale! Are you now going to debate on an issue that I have ruled on?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, with all due respect, I am not trying to debate. You know that from previous rulings, a matter is usually stopped from being debated in this House on the sub judice principle depending on what is in court, namely; the subject matter. So, I would like you to allow me to mention that the purpose of my Statement was not in respect of the subject matter that she has brought before the House, with your permission.

Madam Minister, is the issue being raised by hon. Khalwale the issue relating to the request for the Statement?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, hon. Khalwale is seeking to know why Butari Sugar Company has not been licensed. That is exactly what is in court. The Kenya Sugar Board is being sued for not registering the company. West Kenya Sugar Company is actually suing the same Kenya Sugar Board for restraining them from giving a license. It is exactly the same issue. Before I discovered what it was, I went to great lengths to research the issue and I have the details here with me. When I thought that I was completing the Statement, I discovered that there are two cases in court, which are directly relevant to this matter.

Madam Minister, please give the documents to the Clerk-at-the Table and the Chair will make a ruling upon the perusal of the request. Dr. Khalwale, you can then revisit the matter on Tuesday.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will table the documents.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thank you for that. I would like to request the Chair that while you are perusing the documents, to be seized of the fact that the matter in court is that Butari Sugar Company is requesting---

Order, Mr. Khalwale!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, but you gave me the opportunity!

Order! You have made a request, which is in the HANSARD, the Minister has laid documents on the Table and the Chair will look at them in the light of the request you made and on Tuesday, you will be given an opportunity to address the issue. You cannot direct me further than that.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, with all the humility and with respect to your ruling, if the Minister intends to rely on the Standing Order No.80, which provides that we should not debate such an issue in the House, then she ought to satisfy the House that the proceedings that she is referring to are not only active, but their discussion will be likely to prejudice the outcome of the court proceedings. She has not done so.

Order, the ruling stands, Mr. Olago! Dr. Khalwale has informed me that he will not be here on Tuesday. So, the matter will come up on Thursday next week. Is that alright?

Yes, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, today in the morning, I undertook to issue a Ministerial Statement on the security of members of a certain community living in Burnt Forest in Eldoret, after leaflets were circulated asking them to vacate the area, owing to their stand in the just concluded Referendum. I wish to state the steps the Government is taking to ensure that security of the targeted community is guaranteed. The Government is aware that some leaflets warning members of the Kikuyu community to vacate Ruku-ini, Kondoo, Kamuyu, Ng’arua and Rurigi areas by 25th August, 2010, because they voted in favour of the Referendum, were in circulation. The leaflets which were in several envelopes were discovered by a farmer on 10th August, 2010, at Ruku-ini Trading Centre while on his way to his farm. The farmer reported the matter to the nearby Ruku-ini Administration Police (AP) Camp. The AP officers visited the scene and collected five envelopes containing leaflets with the same message. The matter was reported at Tarakwa Police Station and a case file No.832/173/201 was opened with a view of launching investigations aimed at identifying the persons behind the circulation of the leaflets and thereby arrest and charge them before the courts. Our investigations point to some members of some Non-Government Organizations (NGOs) and community based organizations operating within that area. The names and motives of the organizations cannot be revealed at this stage to avoid derailing the ongoing investigations. In addition to the investigations the Government is carrying out, adequate measures have been put in place in the affected areas to mitigate against any incidence of insecurity. The measures include stepping up of foot and motor vehicle patrols by regular police, General Service Unit (GSU), APs and Anti-Stock Theft Unit personnel based within that area. Secondly, the Government has deployed adequate personnel and resources to beef up security of the residents within the affected areas. Let me take this opportunity to caution any leader or organization against issuing inflammatory statements which may cause tension and bring fear and despondency in the country. The Government will take very stern action against such individuals or organizations. In fact, the police have recorded statements from some of the suspects and this will continue until the culprits are apprehended and brought to justice. Finally, I want to assure the residents of Burnt Forest and, indeed, the entire Republic, that the necessary steps have been put in place to ensure that they are secure and they need not panic at all.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, while I commend the Assistant Minister for giving a satisfactory statement, I would request him, if possible, to name those NGOs and Community Based Organizations (CBOs). If possible, could he also name the directors of those NGOs, so that they can be known and apprehended? We know very well what happened in 2008. In the whole Republic, we voted wisely and openly, but how come it is only in the Rift Valley where some few individuals are threatening members of other communities?

Mr. Ojode, maybe, you can allow two or three interjections, then you respond.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, further to the question by hon. Kiuna, could the Assistant Minister also name the financiers of those NGOs? It

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, could the Assistant Minister also investigate other areas like Trans Nzoia where leaflets had also been circulated against certain communities to establish whether those NGOs also had activities in the areas or were involved in the circulation of the leaflets?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, could the Assistant Minister give us the registration numbers of those organisations and state why they are doing what they are doing?

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, this is a very serious matter. I want to assure the whole country that the Government is alert, and that it is going to take action against those NGOs and CBOs, which want to destabilise the peace being enjoyed within Burnt Forest. This warning is for all Kenyans who love peace. I will take action against those who are out to incite people who have been living together harmoniously, and have inter-married amongst themselves. If those people are men enough, let them continue with those activities.

For purposes of investigations, I do not think this is the right place and time to name those NGOs. However, in order for thorough investigations to be carried out---

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Assistant Minister has said that since there are some investigations going on, he is not in a position to name those NGOs. Would I be in order to request him to name them, so that they can be known? We want to make sure that those people are known and arrested.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was saying that the NGOs involved will face the wrath of the Government. I also want to caution leaders from that area, that I will never spare any leader who tries to incite people. Whether you are a Member of Parliament or leader of whatever status, I will never spare you because we need peace to prevail.

Point of order! Point of order!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, could I finish what I am saying before you take the points of order being raised? Hold your horses, hon. Members!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, you have heard leaders making inflammatory statements, inciting members of a particular community. I want to caution my colleagues to desist from making inflammatory statements, which can incite the people you live with.

Order! Order, hon. Members! Let us have one person at a time!

Yes, hon. Leshomo!

Jambo la nidhamu, Bw. Naibu Spika wa Muda. Ningependa kumkumbusha Waziri Msaidizi kwamba masuala kuhusu usalama wa wananchi yanapaswa kuchukuliwa hatua mwafaka ili ukweli ujulikane. Waziri Msaidizi ametuambia kwamba ni lazima atachukua hatua. Ni hatua gani ambayo amechukua tangu tulipoanza kuzungumzia masuala haya ya usalama? Ninamwomba atie juhudi kubwa katika masuala ya usalama.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I said, I have already arrested some people with regard to incitement in that particular area. That is the first phase of the action I am taking as the Assistant Minister in charge of internal security.

On point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Hon. Ojode was addressing the House in a most menacing manner, pointing a finger at a group of Members of Parliament and saying: “Even if Members of Parliament are inciting members of the public---“The Standing Orders of this House are very clear. You cannot impute improper motive on a Member of Parliament, unless you are able to prove your allegation and you have given notice of intent to discuss him or her.

Order! Order!

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. There are so many questions which have been asked, but the Assistant Minister has spent a lot of his time answering other things. Could you order him to answer those questions, which include naming the financiers of those NGOs and naming the NGOs which are doing that particular job, including the leaders involved?

The Assistant Minister has made it very clear that he is going to take action, and that he does not want to interfere with the ongoing investigations. He is going to come back to the House with information as soon as those investigations are completed. Next Order!

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I did give notice that I intended to seek a Ministerial Statement from the hon. Attorney- General. May I now do so?

Yes. You have exactly two minutes to do so.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to seek a Ministerial Statement from the Attorney-General in respect of the public complaint by the National Commission on Cohesion and Integration on the failure of the Attorney- General and the Commissioner of Police to take action on the report of an allegation of the commission of an offence under the National Cohesion and Integration Act, by the Member of Parliament for Matuga, Mr. Mwakwere. The Ministerial Statement should address the following pertinent and urgent issues:- (a) when the Commission delivered the file of the complaint and evidence of proof of the allegation of hate speech to the Attorney-General and the Commissioner of Police, and what action has been taken so far; (b) whether the Attorney-General has established why it became necessary for the Commission to make a public complaint over the inaction by the Attorney- General and the Commissioner of Police; (c) whether the Attorney-General and the Commissioner of Police have established the veracity of the complaint by the Commissioners – that since they commenced investigation into this incident, they and their families have received

Yes, Deputy Leader of Government Business!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Attorney-General will be duly informed.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I just want to find out when the Attorney-General will issue a Ministerial Statement sought by Prof. Kamar before she was appointed an Assistant Minister. The Ministerial Statement relates to Calvary Temple Evangelistic Church, which is allegedly marrying off young girls.

Deputy Leader of Government Business, please ask the Attorney-General to provide the Ministerial Statement when he turns up to issue the other Ministerial Statement.

I will do so, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Next Order!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Speaker do now leave the Chair.

May I take this early opportunity to thank the House and Members of Parliament for according me the opportunity to move the Vote for the Ministry of Finance and further, I would like to thank the Chairman and Members of the Departmental Committee on Finance, Planning and Trade for having constructively discussed this Vote with my Ministry when the same was presented before them. Before I present to this House the Ministry of Finance’s budget for 2010/2011 fiscal year, allow me to remind hon. Members the mandate of the Ministry.

The Ministry of Finance derives its mandate from the Constitution of Kenya, Cap.7, Section 99 to Section 103. This is further amplified in the Public Audit Act, 2003 and the Government Financial Management Act of 2004, the Public Procurement and Disposal Act, 2005, the Internal Loans Act, Cap.420 and the External Loans and Credit Act, Cap.422, the Banking Act Cap.488 and other statutes enacted by Parliament. The details regarding the mandate of the Ministry are provided

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand to second this very important vote. In doing so, I would like to take this opportunity first and foremost to commend the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance and his entire team for giving this country prudent fiscal leadership.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to start by congratulating the Minister because the Committee and the Ministry have worked very closely. We have held very wide consultations and we have discussed most of

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support the Vote on the Ministry of Finance. First, let me sincerely thank the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance and his staff for the good job that they are doing in terms of giving policy direction, especially the exposition of the budgetary allocations for the various Ministries of the Government. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, let me also thank and commend the Central Bank of Kenya for the role they are playing now in terms of giving the normal policy guidelines and also the overall supervision of our financial sector. I have in mind the way they have managed the three strange animals, that is the lending rate,

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity. Vote 07 is under scrutiny of two committees, the finance committee and

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I stand here to support Vote 07, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance.

From the onset, I want to congratulate hon. Kenyatta and his team for a job well done. I have said it even last year that it is under the leadership of the current Minister for Finance that many remote parts of this country have felt equitable distribution of resources across the board.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the figures given by the Minister are very encouraging; a GDP growth of four to six per cent in 2010/2011; a reduced public expenditure; a reduced domestic borrowing, and above all, increasing the private sector participation. These are very key indicators for a growing economy like ours. I want to thank hon. Kenyatta for rising to the expectation of this House and the country as a whole.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I would like to support this Vote.

I want to speak about certain issues and I would like the Minister and his officials to allow me to step down the language a bit because, sometimes, when issues of finance are being discussed, they seem to be up there in the sky and not touching on the ordinary mwananchi.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I have heard the Minister speak clearly about wanting to improve the investment climate in Kenya. I would like to believe that he is speaking mostly to the Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs). It is in this sector that, I believe Kenya will really grow. I believe that the growth in the SMEs does not only touch on the economy of the country, but touches on the livelihoods of the most vulnerable in our society, which are women. Most of the women businesses are in the SMEs zone. Mr. Minister, you know very well that there has been a round table meeting with the private sector with the President and the Prime Minister. But women in businesses, especially those who are in the SMEs have told me to come here and clearly state that they feel left out because these are normally big business magnets that they cannot compete with. The kind of businesses women own in this country do not have that kind of big investments, and they feel that they are not welcome in this round table meetings. I would like to suggest that the Minister considers having a round table meeting for women business entrepreneurs. I believe it is at these fora that opportunities for growth are discussed. Ways in which the Government can assist are discussed. It should be unfair to leave women out of these very important discussions.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I would also like to speak about the issue of disaster risk reduction. At the beginning of this year, I was appointed by the United Nations Strategy for Disaster Reduction as a representative for Africa. One of the key

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I also rise to support this Motion and commend the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance and his team for a sterling job. I think they have made Kenya proud. While I like to talk about the marginalized areas because they were left behind for many years, I believe that the new Constitution will take care of this. We will blame ourselves thereafter and not the Central Government. For this economy to grow and Kenyans to realise employment opportunities, we need to concentrate on major projects. The construction of the Port of Lamu and the northern corridor to Sudan and Ethiopia should be top in the priority list of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance so that more Kenyans are employed. That way, we will have more opportunities to expand our economy. Today, Kenyans are finding it difficult to pay insurance premiums. If you pay insurance premium for your new car, you would think that you would have been better off buying a second-hand car because the premium is too high. We are talking of 7.5 per cent of the value of the car. That is a colossal amount of money. I think the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance should look into this. It appears like the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance is punishing Kenyans for driving cars. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, as we go through the Ministries’ budgets, we realise that there is a problem with adherence to the Fiscal Management Act. Perhaps, the officers should establish a team to look at this. There are many problems with regard to pending bills and cheques in many Ministries. A lot of money is, therefore, not utilized. Where a Ministry is unable to spend the money because it lacks capacity, it should be looked at so that the money can be re-located to another Minister to provide proper services. The other issue concerns the sale of parastatals and other Government agencies. We feel that the only way to re-distribute wealth in the country and ensure that all Kenyans benefit is to provide a plan where the majority of people benefit. We do not want to create cartels and monopolies because that is how the country loses money. This is because those people take their excess liquidity out of the country.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. Let me take this earliest opportunity to congratulate you on your elevation to the Speaker’s Panel. But I want to ask the Speaker to add one more woman in that Panel, so that it becomes “regular”.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, let me take this opportunity also to congratulate and thank the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance and his team for a job very well done. We have seen the big growth in our economic sector, definitely, because of the management of our fiscal policy, especially after we came out of such a gloomy beginning in 2008.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to just touch briefly on the Small and Medium Enterprise Fund which we welcome especially, those Members of Parliament who represent urban areas. This is because we feel that a lot of focus has

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity to contribute to the Vote of the Ministry of Finance.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to start by thanking the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance for the Kshs1 trillion Budget. The only thing I want to add is that he should be able to raise that Kshs1 trillion from taxes. I want to believe that there is still a lot of money out there which the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) is not able to collect. The Ministry should, therefore, put a lot of effort in that particular area of revenue collection, so that we can start enjoying the good life now than in the next 30 years or in 2030, because that is still very far away. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I wish to note that the Minister has indicated that he wants to give Telkom Kenya a grant of Kshs2.2 billion and Kenya Railways, Kshs4.8 billion. I want to believe that these are private entities. But even if

I now call upon the Minister to reply.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I take this opportunity to thank all hon. Members who have contributed. Let me try and respond to some of the issues that have been raised.

When I get the money.

What do you mean when you get the money? You have the money!

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. Is the Deputy Prime Minister in order to misdirect such an important request from the people of Rangwe? Instead of taking it to the Ministry of Transport, he is taking it to the Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security. Is he in order?

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, it is, indeed, a security item. So, it is in the right place when I address it to hon. Ojode. It is his business. With regard to the issues raised by hon. Shabesh, I could not agree with her more. I undertake that with consultations with other Ministries, we will try to put in place a round table conference for women business persons in this country, and see how we, as a Government, can mainstream them and ensure that they get the necessary support in doing business and improving the business environment. With regard to disaster management, I could not also agree with her more. I would like to point out that there is a Cabinet Sub-Committee under the Prime Minister’s Office that is working on a policy on disaster management. That is ultimately aimed to ensure that we, as a country, are properly prepared to handle disasters in future.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am running out of time and I may not be able to go through every single issue. However, with regard to what hon. Konchella said about big projects, we are working with the Ministry of Transport to fast-track some of them. We agreed yesterday that we have broken no law with regard to the CDF. It is a question of understanding what ordinary revenue is. I think they agreed with us that we need to have a common understanding of what ordinary revenue is.

Mr. Imanyara): Minister of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030, please, initiate debate on your Vote.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Speaker do now leave the Chair to enable me to introduce debate on Vote 06 – Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030.

I wish to express my gratitude for the opportunity accorded to me to move the Vote R6 and D6 for the Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030. From the onset, I wish to record my appreciation to the Departmental Committee on Finance, Planning, Trade and Tourism for its continued support to the Ministry on matters of planning and finance. The Ministry appreciates the guidance and rigorous review of the Ministry’s work, performance and challenges, especially as it relates to financial constraints.

The mandate of the Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 is to facilitate and co-ordinate the national development planning process and to provide leadership in national economic policy management. The core functions of the Ministry are as outlined in the Presidential Circular No.1 of 2008 of May, 2008. These include the following:- Co-ordination of the Constituencies Development Fund (CDF), monitoring and evaluation of economic trends and policies, the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics, the National Census and Housing Surveys, the National Co-ordinating Agency for Population and Development, the Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis, the Economic Commission for Africa (ECA), the New Partnership for Africa Development (NEPAD), the District Focus for Rural Development Strategy, the Poverty Eradication Commission, the implementation of the Vision 2030, the monitoring of the millennium development goals and the African, Caribbean and Pacific Forum.

In line with the above core functions, the Ministry’s mission statement is to provide effective leadership and co-ordination in planning, policy formulation and tracking of results for a globally competitive and prosperous nation in line with the

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, let me start by congratulating the Minister for a job well done.

There is a number of projects which are ongoing within this Ministry, but from the Minister’s speech, you can tell that the Ministry is under-funded. If Ministries continue to be under-funded, it will be very difficult for them to complete the projects they have initiated.

The Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat has been under-funded. The fellows under it will never implement the activities within the Secretariat if they cannot be given the Kshs410 million they have requested.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, it not just the Vision Delivery secretariat but it is even within the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics. This organization talks about the poverty figures but how do we expect this Ministry to give us the right figures if they are under-funded to the tune of Kshs500 million? It is not possible. I would want to prevail upon the Ministry of Finance to look at issues which have been highlighted by the Minister in order for us to have the statistics which actually carry the reality on the ground. You can see that they also requested for about Kshs300

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am just wondering whether the hon. Assistant Minister, my good friend is seconding the Motion or making his own contribution. I suppose when you are seconding, you should be fully supportive and not asking goodies for your constituency.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am supporting and requesting the Ministry of Finance to avail or disburse funds to this particular Ministry in order for them to offer services. In any case, Mr. Ethuro knows that even in his constituency they were supposed to build District Planning centres but they have not done so. So, I am just pleading with the Ministry of Finance as I second.

Please summarize. Your time is up!

Ngoja! Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg for one more minute to make a point on the International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) projects. Within southern Nyanza, IFAD projects were supposed to use about Kshs600, 000. Those projects are ending by June 2011. I would also like to request the Minister to look for other donors in order for him to get more funds to service those projects which were undertaken by IFAD.

With those few remarks, I sincerely second this Motion.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to support the Vote of the Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030. From the outset, let me commend the Minister and his staff for the sterling job that they are doing. We in the Departmental Committee on Finance, Planning and Trade have met severally with the Minister and his staff. We have gone through the budget allocation and we did the necessary inquiries and we have already, as a Committee, prepared our own report which the Minister is also aware of. On behalf of the Chair of the Committee on Finance, Planning and Trade, I wish to say that as a Committee, we support the Ministry’s Vote. We know that the Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 plays a very

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I take the opportunity to also join my colleagues in contributing to this very timely Motion. Let me also thank the Minister for providing very credible leadership in this Ministry. I would also want to extend the same commendation to the Assistant Minister who has been very active in this House and also to the PS who has continued to render very good service to this nation. I would also like to make a few observations. First, let me start with the census. The census was a national exercise. It has caused some kind of anxiety in this nation because of the delay in releasing the results. I am happy that the Minister has indicated that the results will come out quickly. The expected results should be credible and acceptable. The results should not create room for any manipulation at all. We also note that there were clerical staff who were employed during the census and some of them have not been paid up to now. Therefore, it is important for the Ministry to make sure that these Kenyans have been given their dues. The results of

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I also wish to associate myself with the sentiments of hon. Members who have contributed before me, applauding the Minister of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030, Mr. Wycliffe Ambetsa Oparanya for a good job. I have personally witnessed tremendous consultations knowing that the CDF Committee has the Minister of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 as the responsible person. We really appreciate. Every time we have called him to appear before the Committee to discuss any matter, he has been more than ready and willing to appear. I think whatever issues are there, when the framework is there for consultations and discussions, we will be able to surmount them. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, there are, however, a few challenges in the Ministry. If you look at the vision of this Ministry it is: “To be a centre of excellence in planning for a globally competitive and prosperous nation with a high quality of life for all Kenyans”. I just want to tell my brother, it is not sufficient just to release results indicating the poverty indices in the country. It is also good to take action. This is not an implementing Ministry but the Government must realize that the role of the Minister of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 is co- ordination. It must relate to the resource envelop of the Ministry of Finance. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I almost laughed when the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance was talking about a very cordial relationship between the two. Our own Committee’s chairman stated that there seems to be a disconnect between the Treasury and the Ministry. What the right hand side of the Government is doing, the left hand does not know. The two for all practical purposes should be the two sides of the same coin. We need to see more coordination so that we can be able to realize this kind of lofty objectives that we have set ourselves as a nation.

Your time is up, Mr. Ethuro!

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I thought I have 20 minutes. With those remarks, I beg to support.

Thank you Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I too would wish to start by thanking the Minister and his very able team from this very important Ministry. The role of this Ministry is well known to all of us. Its history is well known to us and it is one that has played a very key role in the development of this country. It is for that reason that it is important for this Ministry to be well funded. This is a Ministry that cuts across every single Ministry. It is one that gives direction to the future of this country. It is one that the Ministry of Finance and all other Ministries such as ours depend on in terms of planning for the future. Therefore, if this Ministry is under-funded as is the case now, it will not perform that function that we all want it to perform. We will then start accusing it for all sorts of things including its inability

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I want to rise again to support the Vote for this Ministry. I want to start by congratulating the Minister and say, just in case people do not know, that we are still using the systems that he put in place at the Pan-African Parliament (PAP). He put in place financial systems at PAP that have made us, as Kenyans, proud. I know that many Kenyans do not know that and so, I thought it was important to say that. I think you were given the right Ministry because you had already proved yourself at PAP.

The issue of planning is well known to women. Women are always planning for one thing or the other. I feel that this Ministry has not been given its rightful

Thank you, Madam Temporary

Mr. Mututho will be the last one before we call the Mover to respond. But he may donate some time to another hon. Member, if he so wishes.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I rise to fully support this Ministry. It is this Ministry that brought the first development to Kenya. During those days of the Master Planner, Mr. Tom Mboya, if you remember, there was the 1 million acre scheme. If that scheme or programme had been expanded to 2 million acres, 3 million acres and so forth, we would not have the squatter problem that we have now. The hon. Minister knows too well that anything the Minister for Finance is doing, unless it is coherent, it can be as chaotic as somebody, who is not very sober; trying to spend money which is in the pocket. You need to look at the net gain in what you will do. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, in talking of good plans this Ministry has come up with innovative ideas in the past. If you remember the District Focus for Rural Development Strategy was mismanaged not by this Ministry but by other forces. Had we carried on, this would fit in well with the proposed county system. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, we need to support this Ministry so that they can be in charge of all the planning that we want to have. I can see our senior Minister in charge of internal security here. If people will expand Kayole, Dandora and other places and there are no ready plans, then there will be very high crime rate; the Minister in charge of internal security will be called upon to do things which could have been done in the first place. At the initial stage of planning we should have adequate police stations and roads that will enable the police move as fast as they can. We have a problem now because from 1979 we have ignored, almost completely, that Ministry. The development of the Port of Mombasa was stolen by Dubai because they saw it was noble. The development of the highways was taken by Thailand; they took our proposed system. The list is endless. In Habaswein we have enough water under surface to supply the city of Nairobi. If the Minister in charge of planning could come up with that, we would not have to import food. I know time is a constraint, and I want to support this Vote wholeheartedly, and recommend that this Ministry gets all that it needs in terms of manpower, consultancy and so on. This will ensure that anything this Government will do in the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of medical Services or the Ministry in charge of Gender will be in line with plans. I think your brother, whom you say is a very good friend of yours, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, should learn from where Tom Mboya left off; coherence between finance and planning is what will make this country develop. Vision 2030 can be achieved next year if we work together as one. Thank you.

Your time is up, Mr. Minister.

Mr. Minister, are you willing to donate two minutes to Mr. Ogindo?

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, he has insisted; so, I will donate two minutes to him.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I had more kind words for you. It is unfortunate that we will have you for a maximum of two years, courtesy of the new Constitution. I want to say that the Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 is the brain and the eye of this nation. As far as development is concerned, we need to really give it adequate funding, so that we can have direction in this country. The second thing I want to say is the credibility of the data. I must emphasise here that in the past we have seen information, or data, that gives us certain indications. Previously there was data that showed that Nyanza was very poor; that was before the CDF came. After CDF came Nyanza has now become very rich. There was a time when Kisumu had the highest prevalence rate of HIV/AIDS. After the funds came in it was elsewhere. This really undermines the credibility of the information that we get from the Kenya Bureau of Statistics. It is important that we have credible information. Last but not least, this information, particularly in this era of the new Constitution, we really need real time information that is updated annually. I want to urge the Ministry to strive to see to it that this information is online, so that we can access it from anywhere. I beg to support.

I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to sincerely thank all hon. Members who have contributed to this Motion. Because of time, I will not be able to respond to most of the issues, but I hope to meet hon. Members personally to answer some of the concerns that they have raised. The first issue that I need to stress is on the population census. The census last year was done very professionally. Those who participated in the 1999 Census actually appreciated that this last census was done very professionally. I did promise that the interim results would be released last December, but this could not happen. I did explain why it was not possible to release the results then. Let me assure hon.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, I beg to move:- THAT a sum not exceeding Kshs26,835,778,600 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure during the year ending 30th June, 2011 in respect of:-

Vote 07 – Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Ministry of Finance

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson. The figure in the Order Paper is different from what the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance has read out. I was wondering whether we are on the same page.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, the figure is Kshs26,835,778,600.

Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona): Mr. Gunda, is that okay?

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, if the figure on the Order Paper is Kshs26,035,778,600 and the Deputy Prime Minister is moving another figure, which one do we go for?

The Minister has just clarified that “as per the Order Paper.”

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, which Order Paper?

Could I, please, then just direct that the Minister moves the Motion again? Please, can we start again?

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, the figure as per the Order Paper is Kshs26,035,778,600.

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson. I am just seeking a clarification. Are we on Recurrent Expenditure?

Yes.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, I just wanted to have the indication from the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance on the same Head, Item No.2210700 - Training Expenses. They have increased it from Kshs34.4 million to Kshs159.9 million. It seems training will continue for the next two years.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, could the hon. Member repeat his question?

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, under Head 135 – Headquarters Administrative Services, Item No.2210700 - Training Expenses, last year, it was Kshs34.4 million and this year it is Kshs158.9 million and the same trend is projected for the next two years. I am just wondering why there is such a big jump. Why should training expenses be part of a Development Vote?

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, this is training for new devolved entities. It will be necessary over the next two years and it will expand as we establish those entities.

On a point of information, Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson.

Mr. Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, do you want to be informed?

Madam, Temporary Deputy Chairperson—

I have not got from the Deputy Prime and Minister for Finance whether he wants to be informed.

It is okay.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, we went through that item as the Committee on Finance, Planning and Trade and we are satisfied with the explanation. It is training, but it is more or less on the investment of that training.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, I want to make one quick observation. I commend, very highly, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance for getting involved---

Mr. Njuguna, I am sorry but you cannot debate during Committee Stage, unless you are raising queries on that Vote Head.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, I beg to move:- THAT a sum not exceeding Kshs9,319,937,660 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure during the year ending 30th June, 2011 in respect of:-

Vote 06 – Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, on Head 527, Item 2630200, the allocation for this year is Kshs14.353 billion and for next year it is Kshs15.847 billion. What is the basis for the calculation because this is the grant that is supposed to go to the Constituencies Development Fund it should not be less than 2.5 per cent? This means it should be more than 2.5 per cent.

Madam Temporary Deputy Chairperson, this issue has been raised by the Chairman of the CDF Committee and it is under consideration by the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am directed to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Resolution that a sum not exceeding Kshs26,035,778,600 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet expenditure during the year ending 30th June, 2011, in respect of Vote 07 – Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Ministry of Finance and has approved the same without amendment.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution.

(Prof. Ongeri) seconded.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I take this opportunity to very highly commend the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance for releasing Kshs2 billion for the university staff salary increment, thus averting a very serious crisis in this nation. Thank you.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, in spite of the many issues that we have, I really want to thank the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance because he is doing really well and he can do better.

Vote 06 – Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am directed to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Resolution that a sum not exceeding Kshs9,319,937,660 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure during the year ending 30th June, 2011 in respect of Vote 06 – Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030 and has approved the same without amendment.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution.

(Mr. Kenyatta) seconded.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would also like to congratulate the Minister and his officers. I would also like to tell them that we support them in the Vision 2030 and the realization of the same for the good of this country.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will be failing in my duties if I do not congratulate the Minister for working under difficult circumstances and taking us forward on Vision 2030. The theme of the Population Day this year is: “Everybody counts”. Each and every Kenyan counts.

Hon. Members, there being no other business, the House stands adjourned until next Tuesday, 24th August, 2010 at 2.30 p.m.

The House rose at 6.45 p.m.